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Incel jerks off to a grisly photo of a murdered girl, claims he sent the resulting “cum tribute” to the girl’s mother

Bianca Devins, RIP

CONTENT WARNING: This one is just brutal. If you’re feeling even the slightest bit queasy about the headline, please don’t read any further.

By David Futrelle

Sunday morning, a young man named Brandon Clark allegedly murdered 17-year-old Instagram “e-girl” Bianca Devins, apparently a friend of his, brutally slashing her throat and then slashing his own in an attempt to kill himself. Sometime between the murder and the attempted suicide, he took a photo of her bloody body and uploaded it to 4chan.

The photo quickly spread across social media, including the Incels.co forum, where it was evidently found by a commenter calling himself canino1997, who reacted to the horrific tragedy by masturbating to the picture of Devins’ lifeless body and sending a picture of the resulting “cum tribute” to the girl’s mother (or perhaps her stepmother) as a sort of ‘”lesson” for her.

I did send her mom my condolences together with a cum tribute to the bitch getting rekt. She died coz she was a thot and I hope that she takes this as a lesson on how hard she failed at parenting.

He attached a screenshot of what he said were the messages he’d sent to the mother along with his “tribute.”

Naturally, other incels applauded canino1997’s initiative. “[Y]our doing god’s work,” wrote one commenter. “Based as fuck,” added a second. “Based kikebook Stalkercel,” agreed a third, which is the Incel way of saying he thought that canino1997 is was an excellent Facebook stalker.

On Facebook, Bianca’s stepmother didn’t say anything about
canino1997’s particular act of malicious harassment, but she did post at length about the anguish of seeing the photos of her stepdaughter’s corpse — an anguish amplified by the knowledge that countless strangers were passing the pictures around in an attempt to shock others and, in some cases, to garner new Instagram followers.

It is absolutely disgusting that people are sharing, screenshoting the pictures of Bianca’s (tragic) death!! Wtf is wrong with you people!!?? … I will FORVER have those images in my mind when I think of her. When I close my eyes, those images haunt me. …

Imagine sitting there, in disbelief and praying to God that this is all some mistake and that your baby will walk through the door any minute. Now imagine seeing those pictures and having everything in you break. Imagine not even being able to yell out and scream or cry because your soul has now just been broken.

After writing this blog for eight years, and watching the political developments in the US over the last three, I can’t say I still have a lot of faith left in humanity. But discovering the incel and his “cum tribute” hit me like a punch in the gut; in some ways it feels as gratuitously cruel as the murder itself.

There’s a lot more to say — none of it good — about this case and the assorted reactions to it online. But I will save that for later posts.

NOTE: Canino1997’s original post was taken down by the Incels.co mods, though evidence of it remains in the responses to it from other commenters. I borrowed the screenshots from a post in IncelTears, a subreddit devoted to monitoring and mocking incels.

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Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

TERF’s aren’t feminists. They like to play act that they are, but they are transphobic assholes who are also aphobic as well, for some reason. (I know the reason.)

I will loudly fight TERFs. In fact, you’ll find many feminists fighting TERFs. It’s like they are their own subcategory of people, with a label, that we can all denounce. (Because they suck, and are not welcome here. It’s even in the comments policy!)

But incels don’t have that, do they? They are just all one thing. You could claim that you are a moderate incel… But what does that even mean? How does an ideology that is, at its essence, saying that women are shallow creatures who are only interested in looks and can’t comprehend anything else, have a moderate view?

You are reducing a significant portion of the population to non-human status, is what I’m saying.

Also, and this might surprise you, but you aren’t the only person in their 30s who isn’t in a relationship and hasn’t had people knocking down their door to be in one.

Many of us don’t turn to a hate ideology for answers.

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Viscaria
Viscaria
1 year ago

I would not be in a relationship with someone who I was ashamed of going outside with. Touché.

However, I wouldn’t feel shame because my partner had a recessed chin (something I actually have!) or acne scars (I have those too! As well as not infrequent pimples!) or their nose didn’t match their face, as decided by the very scientific and 110% objective face-to-nose matching program run by Incel Laboratories.

I would feel ashamed to go outside with someone who was rude or abusive passers-by, maybe, or perhaps wore a shirt that said “Incel” on it.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

Would you have a relationship with someone you’re ashamed of going outside with?

Absolutely not*, but my definition of “ashamed of going outside with” would be someone who treats people terribly, not someone with vitiligo (interesting choice, there, as a lot of people find vitiligo to be beautiful).

*Ok, so yes, in the past, I was in a relationship with an abusive person I was actually ashamed to go places with because he would be an ass at people, especially people in service roles, but I’ve learned the red flags now.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

incel157 wrote:

You are putting words in my mouth,

No, I’m pointing out one of the warrants that is logically required in order for you to hold your stated belief.

I never claimed you said any of those things directly; I very clearly stated that your belief inherently implies that you also believe one of these two propositions:

1) You believe that literally everyone is so shallow that no one is capable of valuing any other human trait, either singly or in combination, more than looks.

or

2) You believe that other traits are also valued — although not as much as looks — and that in theory such other traits can, either singly or in combination, overcome a person’s “unanimously hideous” looks and enable them to to find a partner.

I also stated that based on your word choice and tone, I assume you believe proposition 1. I threw in the bit about “even blind people” to highlight how fundamentally stupid it is to assume that everyone values the same set of traits equally.

The nature of a warrant in logical argument is that it’s an unstated assumption upon which an argument rests, and that invalidating the warrant often invalidates the entire argument. I’ve found it’s also usually very instructive what people assume to be true — especially if they don’t know that they’re assuming it.

So, is my assessment of that warrant of your belief wrong? And if so, how?

incel157 wrote:

I think traits like recessed chins, skin problems (such as vitiligo or cystic acne scars), an abnormal head shape, a nose that doesn’t match your face and others are unanimously considered ugly traits.

And you would be wrong. Yes, many people — probably even most — find those traits unappealing, but not everyone. There are guys who enjoy having their scrotums nailed to a two by four; it’s not even close to a stretch to think some folks find each of the traits you list appealing.

…and even if someone isn’t attracted to those traits, that doesn’t imply that that person actually cares about physical looks enough for it to matter in terms of finding a partner. Do you think Stephen Hawking’s wife was particularly concerned with his looks? And that’s just one high-profile example; there are countless others that we never hear about because the people involved aren’t famous.

incel157 wrote:

It doesn’t mean, for example, that if you just have a recessed chin, it’s over; you can compensate that trait with other things. But when you have multiple bad traits and you end up like a 2/10, it’s truly over.

Okay, so how many traits does it take for it to be “truly over”? Are some traits weighted more heavily than others, in the “over” calculations? Are particular combinations of traits more hideous than each individual trait involved, in a sort of gestalt of horror?

I mean, if it’s that universal, surely someone has quantified all this….

incel157 wrote:

Would you have a relationship with someone you’re ashamed of going outside with?

No, but that would have exactly fuck-all to do with their looks.

…also, although not directed at me, I absolutely have to respond to this bullshit:

incel157 wrote:

Well that’s guilt by association. Can I call you [Wetherby and Rhuu] a TERF?

It’s guilt by an association that you fucking claimed for yourself, dumbass.

So no, you bloody well can’t call them TERFs unless they change their usernames to include the term TERF.

You’re a real fucking moron, asshole.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

So no, you bloody well can’t call them TERFs unless they change their usernames to include the term TERF.

I dunno, if any of us suddenly started talking about “adult human females” or how “biological women” need their own spaces or put XX in their usernames, that would probably count.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

@kupo

Fair point.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

a nose that doesn’t match your face

Great, now I’m thinking the Finnish idiom “fits like a nose on head”.

Also, Lainy wrote:

I have a good friend who lost half his face from a dog attack

I was also thinking cases like these – namely, that as long as your face HAS a nose, you aren’t among the most abnormal folks in that regard.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Lumipuna

This is mostly OT but I also don’t care for the topic at hand since it’s somewhat dominated by an incel I wish would go away: Do you have either of the idioms “Got his beard stuck in the mailbox” or “owls in the moss”?

Wetherby
Wetherby
1 year ago

@Wetherby @Rhuu Well that’s guilt by association. Can I call you a TERF? Afterall TERFs call themselves feminists and you are a feminist, therefore… you are a TERF?

No, because I don’t have the word TERF in my username, and I haven’t expressed any transphobic opinions either here or anywhere else, so you have no sensible grounds for calling me one.

On the other hand, you explicitly identify yourself as an incel in your username, so it seems to me that it’s entirely reasonable to assume that you’re broadly sympathetic towards the disgusting ideology that’s associated with the incel movement. Because if you weren’t, there are a gazillion other usernames that you could have picked – it’s really not hard to avoid making that association.

Put it like this: if a member of the KKK had recently lynched someone and another KKK member had defiled the corpse and sent photographic evidence to grieving relatives, would you be popping up here with the name “kkk157” or “grandwizard157” and realistically expect a warm welcome? And if not, what’s the difference?

The incel community is the only place I can find people in my situation (in their 30s and KHHV). Since the edgy kids hang out on .co, and I don’t browse that site or condone violence, I really don’t see why I should be in a watchlist like people think we all should be.

So stop calling yourself an incel, a term that’s becoming increasingly synonymous with both verbal and actual terrorism, not to mention the most consistently skin-crawlingly repulsive misogyny that I think David’s managed to dig up in this blog’s entire history. If you aren’t a vile misogynist, incel groups are absolutely the last places you should be visiting, and you certainly shouldn’t be embracing the term – it’s become too tainted for it to be reclaimed.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
1 year ago

It figures, it just figures, that in a thread about the murder of a young woman and the scumbags who delight in the pain of her family, a fucking incel would show up to throw himself a pity party.

Consume feces and experience a permanent cessation of vital functions – is that polite enough for you?

Shitbag.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Hippodameia wrote on
July 17, 2019 at 8:29 pm:

It figures, it just figures, that in a thread about the murder of a young woman and the scumbags who delight in the pain of her family, a fucking incel would show up to throw himself a pity party.

Consume feces and experience a permanent cessation of vital functions – is that polite enough for you?

Shitbag.

The back half of your penultimate paragraph skates rather close to violating the comments policy.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

Sorry @Hippodameia, I have to agree with @Ariblester here. I understand the feeling, but careful of the comments policy.

Thank you 100% for the first paragraph though!!!! Sometimes I get so wrapped up in trying to explain to someone things that I forget the greater context, which is

that in a thread about the murder of a young woman and the scumbags who delight in the pain of her family, a fucking incel would show up to throw himself a pity party.

@incel157 – I do wonder about your choice of articles to defend the Moderate Incel on. Can you even imagine what her mother would have gone through, if she got these messages? Can your body contain the horror and grief and rage and sorrow and disbelief? Mine can’t. I think I’d rip apart.

(I wouldn’t, really, I’d have to hold together for the TV interviews that are inevitably going to happen. And the funeral, and the wake. And the court dates. And more press. I would be unraveling the entire time, but I would know that I need to hold it together for my daughter. Because if I behaved in any way other than the Perfect Parent, my daughter might not get justice at all.)

I can’t fathom why anyone would do what the OP claims he did, besides “””””””for the lulz””””””. I can’t fathom anyone coming in here, and defending the group of people the person responsible for this belongs to.

And yet you did…

That’s enough internet for me for the night. Going to read a book and then try to get some sleep. :/

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
1 year ago

I apologize to the community and withdraw the comment.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Do you have either of the idioms “Got his beard stuck in the mailbox” or “owls in the moss”?

Nope.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Lumipuna

They are Norwegian idioms, I just wondered if they crossed over to Finland.

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

The incel community is the only place I can find people in my situation (in their 30s and KHHV). Since the edgy kids hang out on .co, and I don’t browse that site or condone violence, I really don’t see why I should be in a watchlist like people think we all should be.

No, it’s not the “only place”, heck, it’s the worst place to be. Even if I played the “looks matter most” game (which I don’t, I have mild BDD about my overall appearance, even if my partners so far have always called me handsome. I consider myself entirely unbearable to look at, but hey, apparently I’m not the best judge of beauty), I wouldn’t think about hanging with people this deranged. Go and find friends. And I don’t mean the cesspool of reprehensible nightmares that is a the incel pit and also not some bunch of misanthropes who just want to abuse each other because they have no dependent spouse to beat. I mean: Find real people you share actual interests with and hang with them.
And don’t give me the “too old” shit. I work in elderly care and palleative care. I have met people with late stage skin cancer, who were reeking of pus and vinegar and still had beautiful relationships with others.
What you’re doing is emotional self-harm. That’s not noble or accepting, you just don’t need a razor cut yourself.

Would you have a relationship with someone you’re ashamed of going outside with? Who attracts judgy eyes?

I have worked in an appalic care unit. I have seen people with locked-in syndrome, who can only communicate with their eyes. And even some of them have relationships. And of one, I know that he met his girlfriend after the incident. Think that’s better than a weird headshape and a fleeting forehead? A boyfriend who can only nod and smile at best?
Here is the sad fact: It’s you. It’s the fact that you rather leather yourself in disgust and repulsion and surprise: Others notice that and it doesn’t feel nice.
Looking back, I am incrdibly lucky that I didn’t have an incel forum because I could have ended up just like those hobgoblins if I let this “community” poison my mind

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

Looking back, I am incrdibly lucky that I didn’t have an incel forum because I could have ended up just like those hobgoblins if I let this “community” poison my mind

Please don’t. I feel like you’ve been around long enough to see us push back against this same kind of talk before and I don’t have the energy right now to explain why this makes people on here uncomfortable, but it does.

Wetherby
Wetherby
1 year ago

Quite aside from anything else, “in your 30s” isn’t remotely old. I met my wife when I was already comfortably into my mid-thirties, and this isn’t at all unusual in my social circle. And because we met online and spent a fortnight emailing and a week phoning before we finally met face to face, physical appearance had literally nothing to do with our initially establishing that we liked each other a lot – on our first proper date, neither of us had more than the vaguest verbal description to go on.

(Granted, this was before webcams and smartphones became ubiquitous, but it still demonstrates that looks most certainly aren’t everything. I once asked her what she thought of my canthal tilt and wrist circumference and she snorted with derision when I told her that some people think that such things are critically important.)

And how did we keep things going after that initial encounter? By the magical formula of treating each other decently (a key but often neglected element of which involves listening to each other and taking an intelligent interest in what the other one’s saying) and treating people around us with similar tact and understanding. I’ll never forget the time she recalled the exacct moment when she thought I might be long-term relationship material – during one of our earliest dates, a waiter made a mistake with our order and I shrugged it off as just one of those things. She said that most of her previous boyfriends would have made an overtly theatrical scene out of humiliating the poor bloke, under the deeply erroneous impression that this would somehow impress her.

It seems to me that incel communities preach the precise opposite of this – treat women with absolute contempt (in extremis, “othering” them with deliberately dehumanising terms like “femoids” or “foids”), generalise horribly about women in general without bothering to listen to what individual women might have to say, preach that women are only good for sex and literally nothing else, and that it’s completely impossible for men and women to interact socially if there’s not likely to be a sexual outcome… well, if you believe this utter steaming pile of rancid jackal manure, you’ll simply remain in the same obsessive self-loathing vicious circle that led you to seek out incel communities in the first place. And, frankly, you’ll deserve to be.

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

@kupo

I’m sorry.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Big Titty Demon:

They are Norwegian idioms, I just wondered if they crossed over to Finland.

Reportedly, there’s been a lot of conceptual and idiomatic crossover between Finnish and Swedish (I speak only a little Swedish so I can’t say directly). IDK know about Swedish and Norwegian, or how all these languages have been affected by Latin and German and more recently English.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
1 year ago
Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
1 year ago

For those who didn’t know, e.g., me, KHHV is incel jargon for “kissless, hugless, handholdless virgin”. Somehow even more self-pitying than the term “incel” itself.

Skye
Skye
1 year ago

I’m frankly afraid to Google this because of the sites I might get, but what does KHHV mean?

And someone said already. Sorry, I didn’t see that post before posting this

Thank you

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
1 year ago

Thank you, Mabret, for posting the definition. Sorry I left it out.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

I fired up TOR on my phone to look it up, and then never posted the answers so others wouldn’t need to.

I hang my head in shame.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

The incel community is the only place I can find people in my situation (in their 30s and KHHV). Since the edgy kids hang out on .co, and I don’t browse that site or condone violence, I really don’t see why I should be in a watchlist like people think we all should be.

Here’s the thing, bunky: I kissed one girl in high school and then was “KHHV” until I was 38, and things have been dry in the year-plus since.

I didn’t go on a single date in college. (The fact that I had terrible gaydar and asked out 12 lesbians may have been a factor.)

I’m autistic and have major medical issues that have done fun things to my body, leaving me feeling pretty repulsive.

And yet, apart from a brief flirtation with mild “Nice Guy Syndrome (TM)” in college, I have never blamed women for this.

Never decided that women were just too shallow to date anyone with a less-than-perfect appearance.

Never thought that men were being held to unreasonable standards while women could get dates any time they wanted.

Never declared that being rejected was the Worst Oppression Ever.

Never thought that my lack of a romantic life meant life wasn’t worth living – DESPITE clinical depression that has resulted in me checking myself into a psychiatric hospital on two occasions.

Never referred to women with dehumanizing slurs like “females” and worse.

Never fantasized about hurting the women who rejected me, or who I believed would reject me.

And never, ever associated with or identified myself with a group that preaches all of the above day in, day out, when they’re not venerating murderers like Elliot Roger.

Because all that is what incels do. That’s their “thing.” And it’s vile, and so is anyone who identifies as such.

Don’t want to be seen as a misogynist? Stop identifying as one, for starters.

katster
katster
1 year ago

I’m in my early 40s, and the last time I kissed somebody who wasn’t a familial relation was 2002. I’ve not been in a relationship for a long time and at this point, I don’t necessarily see one in the cards. I stil haven’t had sex — and again, I may never.

But I still don’t want to identify with a moment that venerates murderers and dehumanizes half the population.

It may change things if I say I’m female, but given various medical conditions, I’ve been *ahem* blessed with particularly masculine features. I’ve had a bad illness/drug combo that caused me to gain a hundred pounds on top of an already large frame. I’m not the avatar of female beauty, and I think, if I were a dude, I’d be — passable? Definitely not a Chad.

I still have a draft post on my blog attempting to respond to Elliot Rodger’s manifesto. It’s not much beyond a title, but that title is simply “He doesn’t mean me.” All that ranting about how he couldn’t find a date — and he only wanted the hot women, the Staceys. He didn’t want somebody like me, who would simply be dismissed as a fat *bleep* if not worse.

Does it bother me? I’d be lying to say it didn’t. But I’m not going to claim all men are shallow, ignoring people like me in favor of the hot chicks. I know there’s guys out there that can look behind that — like my ex.

Anyway, all that rambling to basically say this — I can’t really change how I look. Sure, there’s plastic surgery. There’s dieting. But to fix some of the things that I feel are wrong with my looks would be difficult to change. I’ve found that it’s easier to change how I feel on the inside about myself, and strive to be a fascinating person to meet than it is to complain in a circle-jerk about how ugly I am and how nobody will date me with people who are holding up funhouse mirrors.

Change the attitude, and y’might change your life.

Beyond Ocean
Beyond Ocean
1 year ago

@Rhuu

TERF’s aren’t feminists. They like to play act that they are, but they are transphobic assholes who are also aphobic as well, for some reason. (I know the reason.)

I know this is off-topic, but now I am really curious, what is the reason the TERFs are aphobic?

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@Beyond Ocean – It’s because they’re trying to convince people that trans people don’t belong in the LGBTQ+ category. So they’ve started a campaign on tumblr (and maybe other places? Twitter? Probably twitter too. And youtube. And facebook. Probably everywhere.) to try to drive a wedge between ace people and the rest of the LGBTQ+ group.

Well, they might not have started it, I don’t have any sources for that. But I know that they embrace it.

If they can manage to snip off the A on the acronym, and maybe the B, they can probably convince people to get rid of the T.

It’s a reason why they are also trying really hard to convince people that words like ‘queer’ are a slur. Queer doesn’t give any gender information, like ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ does. (Gay is debateable, it’s pretty much shorthand for queer at this point, but that’s ANOTHER story. Centering cis white gay dudes, hmmph.)

But people can go “I’m queer”, and they don’t have to say “I am a woman who likes women”, they can go “I’m someone who likes people in a non-hetero way” and other people can go “Wheeee! Us too!” and there’s a big party with music and fun and dancing… Also the TERFs are there but stuck FARTing up the corner.

It’s also why they’re trying to convince people that both TERF and ‘cis’ are slurs, because they are recognisable labels. TERF works to identify people, and it’s a bad identity, so they’re trying to erase it. Cis works to just give a shorthand for saying ‘I’m not trans’, so they hate it.

And that is my rambling! I hope it answered the question well enough. I don’t have sources right now, I don’t really want to search to find them on the computer I’m on right now. :/

Beyond Ocean
Beyond Ocean
1 year ago

@Rhuu – Thanks. But I can’t wrap my head around it, how would it work?

Trans folks are much more established part of the Acronym, they have been for a long time. Asexuality is a more recent addition, and if people include the A in LGBTQA+ at all, it seems that most of the time they think it stands for “Allies” – at least it was like this only a few years ago.

I’m not even sure if it didn’t start out like that, since I’ve seen the LGBTQA version of the acronym long before I’ve heard about asexuality – and from what I could gather it was supposed to be “allies” and only included sometimes for solidarity. But then again, back then I wasn’t very involved or informed.

And even if TERFs were successful in driving aces away from the community, how would it serve as leverage? I mean, at most they could argue that asexuality is not a real sexual orientation, or that aces don’t deserve to be a part of the community because they’ve not been oppressed enough, but none of this applies to trans people.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Beyond Ocean

I’m not trying to be rude or mean but maybe this isn’t the best place to talk about this since it’s about this poor girl’s death and she was ace. She came out before she was killed. Just might not be an appropriate place to talk about the people who think ace isn’t a real sexual orientation.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

Sorry, Lainy. That’s a good point.

Beyond Ocean
Beyond Ocean
1 year ago

@Lainy

Sorry.

M K
M K
1 year ago

(re: the actual article/blog post)

I’ll take “ways to go to Hell” for five hundred, Alex

(seriously shit like this makes me hope that some form of Hell exists)

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Beyond and Rhuu

No problem. I don’t want to make anyone feel bad or guilty. You’re not doing anything wrong, it just seemed like a time and place kind of thing.

A. Nuran
A. Nuran
1 year ago

Dear God, how do such creatures exist?

Sam Katz
Sam Katz
1 year ago

I think it’s clear, with the links between this type of sick behavior and mass shootings in America, that any sort of harassment as disgusting as this needs to result in arrest. The arrest needs to be followed by a very long perp walk in front of mainstream media with plenty of photos of the harasser made available to the general public, as well as his real name, his face, and specifically shown to his landlord, his employer, his family, his bank, his doctors, and everybody else on the planet. I think, by that point, mother nature takes its course.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

So, this is a crime so severe we should forget due process and subject suspects, even ones not convicted (yet) in a jury trial, to extrajudicial punishments that render them unable to earn a living or to maintain a roof over their head?

Why not just go straight to summary execution? Or even torture?

Or, maybe we should still observe due process but perhaps put them on a watch list that results in heightened surveillance, looking out for stalkerish behaviors, stockpiling ammo, and the like. How about that?