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Stefan Molyneux: Only white men are smart enough to consistently support “free speech”

The Skinhead Philosopher speaks!

By David Futrelle

Racist YouTube “philosopher” and self-described Men’s Rights Activist Stefan Molyneux is saying the quiet part loud again. I guess that’s kind of his thing now.

Here are two tweets he posted last night:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1146224844650033152
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1146223822984622080

The implication is pretty clear: Only white men, as a group, are smart enough to support “free speech.”

As it turns out, Stefan has rather a lot of thoughts about white males and how much better they are than everyone else.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1082457646647500800
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1105246385706655744

(Dude, you realize that half of the men who died in the Civil War died fighting FOR slavery, right?)

But alas these heroic white males aren’t properly appreciated — except for their money, which of course they all earned fair and square and didn’t inherit from their parents or gain from exploiting people of color or after benefiting from better connections and educational opportunities or anything.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1084125609784033285
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1081973295690346496
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1064563870201606144

But Stefan isn’t fond of all white males. He worries a little that insufficiently racist white men will “rage” the entire group into slavery.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1105162210605584384

This is sort of a weird worry for Stefan, since he also thinks slavery was a pretty good deal for the slaves.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1078715658664378368

Oddly, despite his white male genius, Stefan can’t quite seem to keep track of the exact percentage of the world’s awesomeness that white guys are responsible for.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1076865621990592513
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1132345092130463744
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1104107930255687680

Jeez, Stefan, get it together and settle on a percentage! You’re embarrassing your race and gender.

H/T — @TakedownMRAs, who highlighted Stefan’s “free speech” tweets in a tweet of his own.

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Jurgan
Jurgan
2 years ago

Only white males were subject to Civil War conscription.

25% were killed in the Civil War – not even counting crippling injuries.

Sometimes, it was safer to be a slave.

Why, it was such a great deal that even though slaves weren’t conscripted, tons of them voluntarily joined the army for a chance to be free!

Wait…

vaiyt
vaiyt
2 years ago

I see Molyneux, like PragerU, has borrowed some statistics from the University of Assfax.

Deoridhe
Deoridhe
2 years ago

FYI, this was created using a Berkeley Dataset found here:
http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss16

Based on a reddit comment linking to a deleted blogpost, the variables used were:
SPKATH, SPKRAC, SPKHOMO, SPKMIL, SPKCOM, RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), RELIG(3)(9), COHORT(1920-1944)(1945-1964)(1965-1980)(1981-1994), WORDSUM(0-3)(4-5)(6)(7-8)(9-10), BORN, SEX, POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7)

The five first variables are the criteria for “free speech absolutist”, defined by presumably the same guy as:

“Someone who concurs with all 5 statements:

Allow anti-religionist to speak
Allow communist to speak
Allow racist to speak
Allow militarist to speak
Allow homosexual to speak”

Then he appears to link the questions used below that:

“There are always some people whose ideas are considered bad or dangerous by other people. For instance, somebody who is against churches and religion… a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your (city/town/community) against churches and religion, should he be allowed to speak, or not?

Or consider a person who believes that Blacks are genetically inferior. a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your community claiming that Blacks are inferior, should he be allowed to speak, or not?

Now, I should like to ask you some questions about a man who admits he is a Communist: a. Suppose this admitted Communist wanted to make a speech in your community. Should he be allowed to speak, or not?

Consider a person who advocates doing away with elections and letting the military run the country. a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your community, should he be allowed to speak, or not?

And what about a man who admits that he is a homosexual? a. Suppose this admitted homosexual wanted to make a speech in your community. Should he be allowed to speak, or not?“

The conflation if identity with objecting to others is really interesting in this use of “free speech”, as the first two questions are explicitly about an outsider objecting to what someone else is (religion, race), the third is pretty clearly allowing someone to advocate dictatorship/facism. With these three questions you’re pretty clearly selecting for atheistic white supremacy.

The use of communism and homosexuality is interesting on a shibboleth level, as both don’t specify what the people with those beliefs will say, whereas the other three specify what the person will advocate for (atheistic white supremacy). This means that even people who might object to communism or homosexuality can give this a pass without thinking about what the person would be advocating.

Ironically, these numbers are saying people designated with the highest IQs are most likely to be okay with militant white supremacy, or who discount the dangers of militant white supremacy.

Nequam
Nequam
2 years ago

I pity his daughter.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’ve noticed that none of these white dudes who say slaves had it pretty good are offering to sell themselves into slavery. I mean, slavery still exists, so if they really think that, the opportunities are there.

These same dudes say it’s a privilege to be forced into female gender roles, but never offer to take those roles on.

They say that being on welfare is so great, but they never give up their money and jobs to go on the dole themselves.

If living as a middle class white male is sooo hard, please, by all means go live as though you aren’t one.

CarrieV
CarrieV
2 years ago

SO many manosphere fools interject the “white men are responsible for everything good throughout history!!!1!1” into arguments rarely even about white men. A grade school has a guest speaker for girls in STEM, these apes hop out of nowhere about how civilization was ~95% built by white males. Someone says that Taco Bell has a new flavored sauce, these guys somehow chime in that ~95% of civilization was built by white men.

I like to tell them that until very recently in history, the only people WITH ENOUGH FREEDOM to create… were white men. I tell them, just think, what if women (and girls!) had not been forcefully tethered to the kitchen/bedroom from birth to death? What if girls had been allowed the same education as boys? What if they’d had the same encouragement to learn and succeed as boys? What if their ideas hadn’t been either poo-pooed or co-opted by their husband/owners, and instead women were given credit for the creations that they were actually responsible for??? We might have as many Great Women statues in big cities as we do of men, Heaven forbid.

The same goes for non-whites! First, native populations had their own inventions and their own societies that suited THEM just fine. White men can only “win” their one-sided argument when they hold natives in temporary shelter as “lower than” white men who lived in palatial estates with lots of servants. Well, the many peoples of African nations and the many peoples of the land masses now known as South & North America lived very contently in non-palaces. I know it keeps getting falsely attributed to Albert Einstein, but hey, this quote makes sense: Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

So… Mr. “post to YouTube pretending to be a hot girl but forget to log out of your own account when posting” Molyneux…

It seems that with all your “high IQ”, you have very little understanding of how history works… for example, did you know that if a confederate didn’t want to be conscripted, they had a nice loophole… if they were still overseeing slaves, they didn’t have to fight because keeping the slaves working and away from the Union. And the conscription in the south mainly started at the end of the war when people were much less enthusiastic.

Also, Stefan… about your whole “white Europeans invented everything useful/beneficial and those mean brown people just steal it”… have you ever heard of algebra?

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

@vaiyt:

I think that’s actually where he got his degrees. No wonder the University of Toronto seemed so different to him, he took his daughter on a tour of the wrong school!

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

I think what bugs me the most about all this is the Molyneux is framing free speech absolutism as an automatically assumed good thing. I don’t have a philosophy degree, but I think that’s what my philosophy/religion professors refer to as begging the question.

Tovius
Tovius
2 years ago

I went ahead and reported all those hateful, bullshit tweets. Not that it would do any good, with Jack in charge.

Betrayer
Betrayer
2 years ago

It’s frustrating as hell that Stefan pretends to be a free speech absolutist, when he has no problem with police infringing on people’s right to protest.

Did he even comment on Putin saying “western liberalism is obsolete”? Does he realize what that means, or is he as clueless as Trump?

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
2 years ago

Deoridhe:

The conflation if identity with objecting to others is really interesting in this use of “free speech”, as the first two questions are explicitly about an outsider objecting to what someone else is (religion, race), the third is pretty clearly allowing someone to advocate dictatorship/facism. With these three questions you’re pretty clearly selecting for atheistic white supremacy.

The use of communism and homosexuality is interesting on a shibboleth level, as both don’t specify what the people with those beliefs will say, whereas the other three specify what the person will advocate for (atheistic white supremacy). This means that even people who might object to communism or homosexuality can give this a pass without thinking about what the person would be advocating.

Interesting, indeed. To me, it makes perfect sense to assume that a communist would advocate communism in their speech, just like it’s only implied that a militarist would advocate military dictatorship. After all, these people are defined to us by a specific political ideology they hold.

It’s different with homosexuality, which isn’t an ideology. Perhaps you’re right in that even a conservative person would likely not want to restrict EVERYTHING a homosexual person might want to say in public, so they’d give it a pass.

However, for queer people, merely existing in public is often mistaken for political activism. Therefore, I suspect the person who wrote these questions likely also mistakenly conflated homosexuality with political ideologies, meaning actually gay rights advocacy.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

Ok, so this:

if they were still overseeing slaves, they didn’t have to fight because keeping the slaves working and away from the Union.

was supposed to be this:

if they were still overseeing slaves, they didn’t have to fight because keeping the slaves working and away from the Union was seen as just as beneficial as actually fighting.

JFC, I need to get some sleep..,

WhiskeyTagngoFoxtrot
WhiskeyTagngoFoxtrot
2 years ago

@Yutolia

Some right wing AM radio guy here in Denver basically said, a couple of weeks ago, that the US and Israel are the only countries that have ever invented anything useful.

I so badly wanted to call and ask him where he thinks the gun powder used to fire his precious guns was invented

Neutral Good
Neutral Good
2 years ago

Everything he posts sounds like he’s some cranky 4 year old who missed his nap. To say nothing of the quality of the posts themselves.

I know this is asking a lot of them, but does anyone on the alt-right realize that they consistently regurgitate the same vapid talking points ad nauseam? For a “philosophy” so enamored with content creation, they sure can’t come with anything new or something that can be explored in further depth.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

@Whiskey:

Yuck! Glad I missed that, although I would’ve loved to call in or hear you call in with that question. *giggles

OT: speaking of gunpowder, I have always found the old Chinese naval fleets really cool. The *“advanced” Europeans were starving and eating rats and each other and dying of scurvy on their ships, while the *“backwards” Chinese had ships that were specifically built for growing citrus trees included in their fleets to solve these very problems.

*according to Molyneux logic.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

From 800BC to 1950AD, well over 90% of world scientific advancements came from white males.

I’m guessing well over 90 percent of Stevie Ray Molybdenumforbrains’s statements on the matter were pulled out of his ass. I also wouldn’t be surprised if his definition of who counts as white depends entirely on whatever argument he’s trying to make is.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

I’m reminded of Theodore Bent, an amateur antiquarian Cecil Rhodes hired to study the ruins of Greater Zimbabwe, and who came to the conclusion that they had been built by either Phoenicians, Arabs, Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Hebrews, or even “the mythical Pelasgi who inhabited the shores of Greece,” rather than, you know, the ancestors of the people who still lived in Eastern Africa. It was more likely than an imaginary race had built the city than that Africans had.

And he at least had the (not very good) excuse that there were no other stone cities known of in subsaharan Africa, so finding it anomalous did have some (racist) logic behind it.

Amtep
Amtep
2 years ago

@Talonknife,

I think the point he’s trying to make is that free speech absolutism must be good because intelligent people support it more.

He knows, of course, like we all do, that there have been no historical examples where the most intelligent people believed really stupid things.

anon
anon
2 years ago

It isnt just that white men stopped people from going to school and interviewing for jobs etc.

Its also that Not-White-Men DID come up with a ton of stuff, whether prior to colonization &/or patriarchy, or disguised, ie as men (or legit being a trans man), but also literally doing the work in the shadows, behind the scenes, all this time, and their boss gets full credit for what an uncredited team produced, because of being a high status white man.

An interesting example is surgeon Vivien Thomas. There is also NASA, female civil war soldiers, etc. There is plenty of indigenous medicine, agriculture… also I wasn’t taught about, say, the history of Arabic numbers, ancient Ethiopia, Chinese history, hell I thought Egyptians were white… we are deliberately lied to because everything has to be all about the yt boys.

Ive literally had people try to argue that Indigenous non-Europeans didnt have to teach Europeans how to cultivate things like potatoes or how to use aspirin.

White people werent superior if you value other things besides guns. Hygiene, social harmony, again agriculture, medicine, there are lots of ways they were not as advanced, and still arent, we often ignore international contributions to medicine, tech, literature, etc

Yea, the thieving warlord’s son has more money than the slave’s son, and that gives him an advantage, but not due to lacking melanin or to being cis male

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@anon

Now now. The Ancient Egyptians are honorary white people. Well, except for those few centuries when they were black, revitalized the decrepit empire, and went to save the Hebrews from the Assyrians. But we don’t talk about that.

It’s like how the Ancient Greeks are the ultimate white people, but modern ones usually don’t count.

Bina
2 years ago

I wouldn’t credit Steffy FoodProcessor with this much self-awareness (or even this much actual intellect), but I guess this is as good a time as any to break out this song…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

The pain…is real.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Next time we build a civilization, we should really aim to hang onto it.

Didn’t think that far ahead, huh.

If there is a white privilege, then why is there affirmative action for non-whites?

Is that because whites aren’t absolute dictators of everything all the time? Try harder.

Took my daughter to see my old graduate school desk in the University of Toronto Library, couldn’t help but notice the almost complete absence of white males in the entire building.

Whoa. Looks like Stefan actually understated this. It turns out that all the graduates of U of T are black.

‘Do not let anyone take this moment away from you’: U of T Mississauga hosts third annual Black Grad celebration

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https://www.utoronto.ca/news/do-not-let-anyone-take-moment-away-you-u-t-mississauga-hosts-third-annual-black-grad

Until 1950, 97% of world scientific progress came from white males.

What the hell happened to white men in 1950? Some sort of plague? And why are the powers-that-be keeping this information from us!

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

Oh God, this is going to set them off: a black woman’s been cast as Ariel for Disney’s live-action The Little Mermaid.

OK, I admit I don’t get Disney’s obsession with doing live-action versions of their greatest hits, but in this case at least, I can’t fault them in terms of casting. I’ve never heard her sing, but Halle Bailey at least looks unearthly enough to actually be a mermaid.

I await the white tears, and the two dozen excuses I can imagine for them.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

So, free speech is an absolute good which must be protected at all costs, but actual freedom is something that should be stripped from certain people by making then slaves?

Wow, such logic.

(Well, no, it’s not really supposed to be internally consistent logic, it’s simply a matter of Molyneux potentially experiencing some negative consequences if consequence-free free speech isn’t allowed for assholes, but never envisioning a scenario where he, the superior white man, might be enslaved. Since the enslavement thing would only impact “undesirables” and not Molyneux, of course Molyneux is m is fine with it.)

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

OK, I admit I don’t get Disney’s obsession with doing live-action versions of their greatest hits

It’s their way of extending their trademark on their intellectual properties and preventing them from entering public domain.

Tovius
Tovius
2 years ago

@Catalpa
Steamboat Willie is supposed to enter the public domain in a couple of years, barring changes to existing copyright law. Won’t that be an interesting minefield.

Nequam
Nequam
2 years ago

What Catalpa said. They’re probably also still lobbying Congress to extend copyright and trademark up to the heat death of the universe…

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
2 years ago

@Rabid Rabbit: in addition to what Catalpa said apparently the contracts most of the writers of the original scripts / songs signed means they can remake the films without paying them properly so they are cheaper than original films. Plus considered low risk.

Kevin
Kevin
2 years ago

OT but good news. Alabama took a step back from Gilead. Charges against the woman who was shot and lost her baby as a result have been dropped.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ nequam

extend copyright and trademark up to the heat death of the universe…

Well, if they use their usual IP legal team, that will be “plus 70 years”

occasional reader
occasional reader
2 years ago

Hello.

Only white males were subject to Civil War conscription.

Hmm, American Civil War is not taught in detail here, but simple researches, like on this site, show that conscription was forbidden to persons of color until July 1862. And i doubt it was an act to ‘protect’ those persons. And after the suppression of this prohibition, those who join do it on their free will, not because of conscription.
And let us not forget about the natives who were also employed by the army.
By the way, how long Molnyeux had served in the Army, do you reckon ?

Have a nice day.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Free speech absolutists, like “centrists”, always come down on the side of the far right. You’ll never hear them defending liberals.

Whenever they say “free speech”, what they mean is “conservative white men should get unrestricted platforms to say whatever they like, and no one is allowed to boo or criticize them.”

Support for free speech is a matter of high intelligence

Surely Molyneux’s extremely high-IQ followers are smart enough not to fall for the fallacy of the undistributed middle here. “Intelligent people do X” does not imply that if you do X, you’re one of the intelligent people. (It also doesn’t imply that X is a thing that should be done. Smart people were behind the Holocaust.)

And that’s before you even get into the problems with the study. As Deoridhe noted, the questions are slanted and mainly measure fear/dislike of certain groups, not support for free speech as a principle. The examples aren’t even that controversial (in 2019, few people would object to restricting the speech of gay people simply because they’re gay). If you were to add more extreme speakers and targets across the political spectrum, say a Muslim cleric who preaches hatred of America, or a radical lesbian separatist calling for violence against men, you would see support for free speech drop like a rock among those “high IQ” subjects. The study is flawed and doesn’t measure what it says it’s measuring.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

in addition to what Catalpa said apparently the contracts most of the writers of the original scripts / songs signed means they can remake the films without paying them properly so they are cheaper than original films. Plus considered low risk.

Actually, they might not even pay them at all. Those contracts generally say that the screenwriters/musicians get royalties if there is a profit… which there never is because the studios have ways of making it look like even movies that are widely viewed don’t make any money.

Spinal Tap, for example, is still really popular, but the guys have only been paid something like $98 from it.

WhiskeyTagngoFoxtrot
WhiskeyTagngoFoxtrot
2 years ago

@ Rabid Rabbit

I saw that yesterday just before leaving work and my first thought was, “Whatever the over/under is on assholes whining that Ariel has to be white, I’ll take the under”

It’s going to be fascinating to watch

numerobis
numerobis
2 years ago

Yutolia:

Also, Stefan… about your whole “white Europeans invented everything useful/beneficial and those mean brown people just steal it”… have you ever heard of algebra?

Algebra was written by aryans, duh.

(Maybe not the aryans Molybeux thinks are aryans, but hey.)

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Catalpa, Tovius:
Some of the old Mickey Mouse newspaper comics actually did enter public domain. Back in 1989, Eternity Comics published two issues of The Uncensored Mouse which reprinted a lot of the first strips. They were careful to avoid any trademark issues by not having a picture on the front cover and by making sure ‘Mickey’ didn’t appear on the cover either.

Disney still tried to sue them into oblivion, of course, pretty much explicitly stating that it didn’t matter if they won, they were going to press the suit until Eternity Comics was bankrupt. (That was part of why Eternity ended up being bought by Malibu Comics.)

Honestly, in this case Disney was probably less concerned about copyrights than they were about the fact that many of those early newspaper strips were incredibly racist. Casual 1930s stuff like pygmies with bones through their noses. Not the sort of thing they wanted showing up in modern times.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
2 years ago

Can anyone out there explain to me how in the world White males, living in countries with much more access to education, with allegedly “genetically higher IQs”, manage to come up with almost the entirety of ridiculous beliefs and conspiracy theories such as:

– Anti-vaccination
– Flat Earth
– White genocide
– Global warming denialism
– Pizzagate
– Crisis actors

“Master Race” indeed…

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Evidence would suggest they are rather stupid.

Kelly L.
Kelly L.
2 years ago

Only an alt-right chucklehead could go to a library, see no white dudes, and blame it on everyone except white dudes. Maybe go tell your pallid brethren to get their asses in the library and study, Stefan?

LightCastle
LightCastle
2 years ago

Chinese had ships that were specifically built for growing citrus trees included in their fleets to solve these very problems.

@Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner

That’s one I’ve never heard before. Where did you find out that nugget of information?

sylvia bath
sylvia bath
2 years ago

Free speech absolutism is an intellectually lazy ideology and gets on my nerves. “Free speech”, like “freedom” in general, is sort of an abstract platonic ideal. It could never be perfectly realized because we depend on others for many freedoms but, in return, we’re also limited by other people, both physically and psychologically.

In order to believe a “free marketplace of ideas” could actually exist, you would have to assume that all speech occurs in a vacuum and never effects events in the real world, something almost no one believes. If rampant hate speech is tolerated, people will simply censor themselves to avoid it. So, then, it’s not the best ideas that come out on top but the ideas with the most abusive and belligerent proponents. (Speech can also inspire violence, which limits its victims freedom obviously.)

Then people say, well, don’t go online then, but the truth is humans are just hardwired to not wanted to be verbally abused 24/7. So because you refuse to ban a few bad actors, you end up with a cesspool that is alienating to most normal people, like 4chan.

I find free speech absolutism nearly as unbearable Randian libertarianism. Like, what a fascinating, principled ideology…in an alternate universe where humans and society operate completely differently than reality!!!

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

there is a real suffering out here

…and everything Molyneux says just makes it worse.

@Rabid Rabbit

OK, I admit I don’t get Disney’s obsession with doing live-action versions of their greatest hits

Besides the reasons already cited, the remakes have been very profitable, and some of them have even gotten good reviews.

I await the white tears, and the two dozen excuses I can imagine for them.

One hot take posted by at least two different Twitterers: Ariel can’t be black since she lives deep in the ocean, which would prevent her from getting sufficient melanin. Therefore, the remake won’t have the raw realism of the original animated musical, in which magic exists and both merpeople and anthropomorphic sea creatures can talk underwater. Mermaid science!

P.S. Usually I have no problem with people overthinking fantasy worlds and trying to apply real world logic to them–hell, I do it as much as anyone–but we all know what these people are really objecting to.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

Those jackasses have never heard of orcas? Whales? Seals? There’s a ton of dark-skinned sea mammals. *(Also, melanin doesn’t work that way)

*Yes, merpeople are mammals. They have hair, mammary glands, and transverse flukes. The scales are presumably akin to those of a pangolin.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@Diego Duarte

Can anyone out there explain to me how in the world White males, living in countries with much more access to education, with allegedly “genetically higher IQs”, manage to come up with almost the entirety of ridiculous beliefs and conspiracy theories such as [list goes here]

Cause only they’ve got the brains to pierce the thick cloud of conspiracy and WORK OUT THE TROOF, obvs. Only dummies remain sheeple, dontcha know.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ personalpest, @Dalillama

Pretty sure I’ve seen more than one person in the past make the argument that if you’re going to do “realistic” mermaids, they should be fat and have two-tone, counter-shaded skin.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

@LightCastle:

Google Chinese naval exploration. You’ll find lots of information.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
2 years ago

@Dalillama

I’m absolutely loving the controversy and salt gifts brought over by Ariel’s widows. Interestingly enough, they were complaining and comparing this to the Netflix adaptation of Death Note, which casted “L” as a Black character.

I mean, the adaptation is horrible, but for fifty thousand different reasons, of which the least is the casting of “L”. They were arguing for “respect for the original story” so I brought up the fact that Ariel dies in the original story. Then they said “but it’s adapted for children”, as if Disney didn’t have an entire tradition of displaying violent, traumatizing deaths in their films.

The bad guy in the Princess and the Frog straight up gets dragged down to Hell.

Frollo falls to his death and burns. He also has an entire solo song on how he wants to fuck Esmeralda. And not just fuck her, but rape her, because there is an explicit threat of “she will be mine or she will burn”.

These rubes will always find an “Article 5°, sub-section c), numeral 24.5” for why casting a White person in the role of a POC is okay, but the opposite is not.

solecism
solecism
2 years ago

@Tim Gueguen

I’m guessing well over 90 percent of Stevie Ray Molybdenumforbrains’s statements on the matter were pulled out of his ass.

I agree this guy’s an asshat. But conflating him with one of my favorite musicians just pains my heart.

@Yutolia

Thanks for sharing that trivia! I had not heard of that before either. Totally cool fun fact that.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@personalpest:
Heck, I consider the live action Disney version of the Jungle Book to be significantly better than the original cartoon. And for all that some of the voice actors were ‘stunt casting’, I think the people they picked did quite well for those roles. (Let’s be honest, Bill Murray was a near-perfect Baloo. And well, Scarlett Johansson was a much more menacing Kaa than Sterling Holloway. Not that it was much of a feat.)

As for black mermaids… I think I posted here a while back about a Kickstarter that went on for party supplies with black children pictured on them, and the original design involved a black mermaid. Ahh, here we are:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/craftmyoccasion/party-supplies-celebrating-children-of-color
Really, the fact that someone turned to Kickstarter to set up a small business involving party supplies because she couldn’t find any good ones for her own daughter says something.

@Moon_custafer:
True, that’s the sort of colour pattern you see on orcas and many other animals: dark on the top and light on the bottom, as better camouflage.

@Diego Duarte:
Good lord, Frollo’s villain song. If that song wasn’t just the absolute distillation of the aggrieved entitlement of a man who had almost everything he wanted, and was pissed off at someone who reminded him of the one thing he refused to admit that he actually still wanted as well.