By David Futrelle
Racist YouTube “philosopher” and self-described Men’s Rights Activist Stefan Molyneux is saying the quiet part loud again. I guess that’s kind of his thing now.
Here are two tweets he posted last night:
The implication is pretty clear: Only white men, as a group, are smart enough to support “free speech.”
As it turns out, Stefan has rather a lot of thoughts about white males and how much better they are than everyone else.
(Dude, you realize that half of the men who died in the Civil War died fighting FOR slavery, right?)
But alas these heroic white males aren’t properly appreciated — except for their money, which of course they all earned fair and square and didn’t inherit from their parents or gain from exploiting people of color or after benefiting from better connections and educational opportunities or anything.
But Stefan isn’t fond of all white males. He worries a little that insufficiently racist white men will “rage” the entire group into slavery.
This is sort of a weird worry for Stefan, since he also thinks slavery was a pretty good deal for the slaves.
Oddly, despite his white male genius, Stefan can’t quite seem to keep track of the exact percentage of the world’s awesomeness that white guys are responsible for.
Jeez, Stefan, get it together and settle on a percentage! You’re embarrassing your race and gender.
H/T — @TakedownMRAs, who highlighted Stefan’s “free speech” tweets in a tweet of his own.
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Why, it was such a great deal that even though slaves weren’t conscripted, tons of them voluntarily joined the army for a chance to be free!
Wait…
I see Molyneux, like PragerU, has borrowed some statistics from the University of Assfax.
FYI, this was created using a Berkeley Dataset found here:
http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss16
Based on a reddit comment linking to a deleted blogpost, the variables used were:
SPKATH, SPKRAC, SPKHOMO, SPKMIL, SPKCOM, RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), RELIG(3)(9), COHORT(1920-1944)(1945-1964)(1965-1980)(1981-1994), WORDSUM(0-3)(4-5)(6)(7-8)(9-10), BORN, SEX, POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7)
The five first variables are the criteria for “free speech absolutist”, defined by presumably the same guy as:
“Someone who concurs with all 5 statements:
Allow anti-religionist to speak
Allow communist to speak
Allow racist to speak
Allow militarist to speak
Allow homosexual to speak”
Then he appears to link the questions used below that:
“There are always some people whose ideas are considered bad or dangerous by other people. For instance, somebody who is against churches and religion… a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your (city/town/community) against churches and religion, should he be allowed to speak, or not?
Or consider a person who believes that Blacks are genetically inferior. a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your community claiming that Blacks are inferior, should he be allowed to speak, or not?
Now, I should like to ask you some questions about a man who admits he is a Communist: a. Suppose this admitted Communist wanted to make a speech in your community. Should he be allowed to speak, or not?
Consider a person who advocates doing away with elections and letting the military run the country. a. If such a person wanted to make a speech in your community, should he be allowed to speak, or not?
And what about a man who admits that he is a homosexual? a. Suppose this admitted homosexual wanted to make a speech in your community. Should he be allowed to speak, or not?“
The conflation if identity with objecting to others is really interesting in this use of “free speech”, as the first two questions are explicitly about an outsider objecting to what someone else is (religion, race), the third is pretty clearly allowing someone to advocate dictatorship/facism. With these three questions you’re pretty clearly selecting for atheistic white supremacy.
The use of communism and homosexuality is interesting on a shibboleth level, as both don’t specify what the people with those beliefs will say, whereas the other three specify what the person will advocate for (atheistic white supremacy). This means that even people who might object to communism or homosexuality can give this a pass without thinking about what the person would be advocating.
Ironically, these numbers are saying people designated with the highest IQs are most likely to be okay with militant white supremacy, or who discount the dangers of militant white supremacy.
I pity his daughter.
I’ve noticed that none of these white dudes who say slaves had it pretty good are offering to sell themselves into slavery. I mean, slavery still exists, so if they really think that, the opportunities are there.
These same dudes say it’s a privilege to be forced into female gender roles, but never offer to take those roles on.
They say that being on welfare is so great, but they never give up their money and jobs to go on the dole themselves.
If living as a middle class white male is sooo hard, please, by all means go live as though you aren’t one.
SO many manosphere fools interject the “white men are responsible for everything good throughout history!!!1!1” into arguments rarely even about white men. A grade school has a guest speaker for girls in STEM, these apes hop out of nowhere about how civilization was ~95% built by white males. Someone says that Taco Bell has a new flavored sauce, these guys somehow chime in that ~95% of civilization was built by white men.
I like to tell them that until very recently in history, the only people WITH ENOUGH FREEDOM to create… were white men. I tell them, just think, what if women (and girls!) had not been forcefully tethered to the kitchen/bedroom from birth to death? What if girls had been allowed the same education as boys? What if they’d had the same encouragement to learn and succeed as boys? What if their ideas hadn’t been either poo-pooed or co-opted by their husband/owners, and instead women were given credit for the creations that they were actually responsible for??? We might have as many Great Women statues in big cities as we do of men, Heaven forbid.
The same goes for non-whites! First, native populations had their own inventions and their own societies that suited THEM just fine. White men can only “win” their one-sided argument when they hold natives in temporary shelter as “lower than” white men who lived in palatial estates with lots of servants. Well, the many peoples of African nations and the many peoples of the land masses now known as South & North America lived very contently in non-palaces. I know it keeps getting falsely attributed to Albert Einstein, but hey, this quote makes sense: Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
So… Mr. “post to YouTube pretending to be a hot girl but forget to log out of your own account when posting” Molyneux…
It seems that with all your “high IQ”, you have very little understanding of how history works… for example, did you know that if a confederate didn’t want to be conscripted, they had a nice loophole… if they were still overseeing slaves, they didn’t have to fight because keeping the slaves working and away from the Union. And the conscription in the south mainly started at the end of the war when people were much less enthusiastic.
Also, Stefan… about your whole “white Europeans invented everything useful/beneficial and those mean brown people just steal it”… have you ever heard of algebra?
@vaiyt:
I think that’s actually where he got his degrees. No wonder the University of Toronto seemed so different to him, he took his daughter on a tour of the wrong school!
I think what bugs me the most about all this is the Molyneux is framing free speech absolutism as an automatically assumed good thing. I don’t have a philosophy degree, but I think that’s what my philosophy/religion professors refer to as begging the question.
I went ahead and reported all those hateful, bullshit tweets. Not that it would do any good, with Jack in charge.
It’s frustrating as hell that Stefan pretends to be a free speech absolutist, when he has no problem with police infringing on people’s right to protest.
Did he even comment on Putin saying “western liberalism is obsolete”? Does he realize what that means, or is he as clueless as Trump?
Deoridhe:
Interesting, indeed. To me, it makes perfect sense to assume that a communist would advocate communism in their speech, just like it’s only implied that a militarist would advocate military dictatorship. After all, these people are defined to us by a specific political ideology they hold.
It’s different with homosexuality, which isn’t an ideology. Perhaps you’re right in that even a conservative person would likely not want to restrict EVERYTHING a homosexual person might want to say in public, so they’d give it a pass.
However, for queer people, merely existing in public is often mistaken for political activism. Therefore, I suspect the person who wrote these questions likely also mistakenly conflated homosexuality with political ideologies, meaning actually gay rights advocacy.
Ok, so this:
was supposed to be this:
if they were still overseeing slaves, they didn’t have to fight because keeping the slaves working and away from the Union was seen as just as beneficial as actually fighting.
JFC, I need to get some sleep..,
@Yutolia
Some right wing AM radio guy here in Denver basically said, a couple of weeks ago, that the US and Israel are the only countries that have ever invented anything useful.
I so badly wanted to call and ask him where he thinks the gun powder used to fire his precious guns was invented
Everything he posts sounds like he’s some cranky 4 year old who missed his nap. To say nothing of the quality of the posts themselves.
I know this is asking a lot of them, but does anyone on the alt-right realize that they consistently regurgitate the same vapid talking points ad nauseam? For a “philosophy” so enamored with content creation, they sure can’t come with anything new or something that can be explored in further depth.
@Whiskey:
Yuck! Glad I missed that, although I would’ve loved to call in or hear you call in with that question. *giggles
OT: speaking of gunpowder, I have always found the old Chinese naval fleets really cool. The *“advanced” Europeans were starving and eating rats and each other and dying of scurvy on their ships, while the *“backwards” Chinese had ships that were specifically built for growing citrus trees included in their fleets to solve these very problems.
*according to Molyneux logic.
I’m guessing well over 90 percent of Stevie Ray Molybdenumforbrains’s statements on the matter were pulled out of his ass. I also wouldn’t be surprised if his definition of who counts as white depends entirely on whatever argument he’s trying to make is.
I’m reminded of Theodore Bent, an amateur antiquarian Cecil Rhodes hired to study the ruins of Greater Zimbabwe, and who came to the conclusion that they had been built by either Phoenicians, Arabs, Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Hebrews, or even “the mythical Pelasgi who inhabited the shores of Greece,” rather than, you know, the ancestors of the people who still lived in Eastern Africa. It was more likely than an imaginary race had built the city than that Africans had.
And he at least had the (not very good) excuse that there were no other stone cities known of in subsaharan Africa, so finding it anomalous did have some (racist) logic behind it.
@Talonknife,
I think the point he’s trying to make is that free speech absolutism must be good because intelligent people support it more.
He knows, of course, like we all do, that there have been no historical examples where the most intelligent people believed really stupid things.
It isnt just that white men stopped people from going to school and interviewing for jobs etc.
Its also that Not-White-Men DID come up with a ton of stuff, whether prior to colonization &/or patriarchy, or disguised, ie as men (or legit being a trans man), but also literally doing the work in the shadows, behind the scenes, all this time, and their boss gets full credit for what an uncredited team produced, because of being a high status white man.
An interesting example is surgeon Vivien Thomas. There is also NASA, female civil war soldiers, etc. There is plenty of indigenous medicine, agriculture… also I wasn’t taught about, say, the history of Arabic numbers, ancient Ethiopia, Chinese history, hell I thought Egyptians were white… we are deliberately lied to because everything has to be all about the yt boys.
Ive literally had people try to argue that Indigenous non-Europeans didnt have to teach Europeans how to cultivate things like potatoes or how to use aspirin.
White people werent superior if you value other things besides guns. Hygiene, social harmony, again agriculture, medicine, there are lots of ways they were not as advanced, and still arent, we often ignore international contributions to medicine, tech, literature, etc
Yea, the thieving warlord’s son has more money than the slave’s son, and that gives him an advantage, but not due to lacking melanin or to being cis male
@anon
Now now. The Ancient Egyptians are honorary white people. Well, except for those few centuries when they were black, revitalized the decrepit empire, and went to save the Hebrews from the Assyrians. But we don’t talk about that.
It’s like how the Ancient Greeks are the ultimate white people, but modern ones usually don’t count.
I wouldn’t credit Steffy FoodProcessor with this much self-awareness (or even this much actual intellect), but I guess this is as good a time as any to break out this song…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
The pain…is real.
Didn’t think that far ahead, huh.
Is that because whites aren’t absolute dictators of everything all the time? Try harder.
Whoa. Looks like Stefan actually understated this. It turns out that all the graduates of U of T are black.
‘Do not let anyone take this moment away from you’: U of T Mississauga hosts third annual Black Grad celebration
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/do-not-let-anyone-take-moment-away-you-u-t-mississauga-hosts-third-annual-black-grad
What the hell happened to white men in 1950? Some sort of plague? And why are the powers-that-be keeping this information from us!
Oh God, this is going to set them off: a black woman’s been cast as Ariel for Disney’s live-action The Little Mermaid.
OK, I admit I don’t get Disney’s obsession with doing live-action versions of their greatest hits, but in this case at least, I can’t fault them in terms of casting. I’ve never heard her sing, but Halle Bailey at least looks unearthly enough to actually be a mermaid.
I await the white tears, and the two dozen excuses I can imagine for them.
So, free speech is an absolute good which must be protected at all costs, but actual freedom is something that should be stripped from certain people by making then slaves?
Wow, such logic.
(Well, no, it’s not really supposed to be internally consistent logic, it’s simply a matter of Molyneux potentially experiencing some negative consequences if consequence-free free speech isn’t allowed for assholes, but never envisioning a scenario where he, the superior white man, might be enslaved. Since the enslavement thing would only impact “undesirables” and not Molyneux, of course Molyneux is m is fine with it.)