By David Futrelle
Self-described “involuntary celibates” want the world to pity them as decent men who have been cruelly denied sex by too-picky women who reject them for the tiniest of physical flaws. This is absurd in itself, but it’s made even more absurd by the fact that incels themselves tend to be pickier about women than any mythical Chad-chasing Stacy.
Incels don’t just want sex with any woman; they feel that they’re owed sex with women “in their prime” — that is, young, conventionally attractive, relatively thin and, oh, did I mention young? That is, not women at all but teenage girls?
Incels — not all of them but a lot — exalt “teenage love” over all other forms of love and sex. And if they don’t get “teenage love” when they they themselves are teenagers, they think they deserve it as adults. The very thought that a man in, say, his thirties should be having sex with “old” women close to his own age fills them with rage.
In a recent posting on Incels.co, a prolific contributor to that site with a Dylann Roof avatar and more than 5000 comments to his name, asked angrily “How the fuck does society have the AUDACITY to tell oldcels to stick to older women[?]” In case you didn’t pick up on his bad mood, the poster, calling himself Turbocuckcel_7000, tagged his post with the popular Incels.co tag “RageFuel.”
Turbocuckcel made his case:
And by the way, when he demands some credit for not “ruining someone else’s future wife,” he means by having sex with her, because in the incel brain any woman who isn’t a virgin when she marries is basically a used-up harlot.
In any case, a commenter called Cuyen, with more than 30 thousand Incels.co comments to his, er, credit, quickly took Turbocuckcel’s argument to its logical conclusion, declaring:
If you are old and never had teenager love,then youre entitled to have a JB
Someone called Tempus Edax Rerum popped up with this bit of bad history:
The funny thing about this statement is that less than a hundred years ago this was actually how it worked.
Well, no, it wasn’t. In 1920, the median age of first marriage for women was 21.2, true, but the median from men was 24.6 — an age gap of less than 3 1/2 years. (Today, the median age is 27.8 for women, 29.8 for men, boosted slightly by the recent legalization of gay marriage, which meant a sudden rush of older couples marrying.) Looking this up literally took 30 seconds.
Turbocuckcel, naturally, agreed wholeheartedly with Cuyen’s rule, adding that the situation contemporary non-Chad men face is
a massive ripoff. like it’s not bad enough how you are likely to just be used for your money and divorce-raped as an oldcel loveless faggot anyway, you need to get the stinkeye from every sanctimonious fuckface in a 5km radius too if you have an age difference greater than 3-4 years in your favor. …
i’ll probably dream about dating and marrying a 20 year old girl even as they’re shovelling dirt over my coffin
Your dream is every twenty year old “girl’s” nightmare, dude.
Someone called Bernd worked himself into quite a lather:
I know, it’s always “ew grow up”, “immature”, “creepy” and “can’t handle an independent woman sweaty?”
It’s not like everyone can afford to live on 1000% of normal dopamine levels in their youths like females do. They live in some sort of hedonistic sinful version of the garden of Eden and fuck through waves and waves of Chads AND get stuff handed to them FOR FREE. This is somehow less big of a deal than men dating younger women.
It’s somehow “less big of a deal,” because the only place any of this happens is in your head, dude.
LMS-maxxed older guys [guys who’ve maxed-out their Looks, Money and Status –DF] fucking prime pussy deserve it. Because it is hard. Imagine through how much shit normies go to fuck 18-24 year olds that are below their looksmatch. Now picture it at 35+.
If you’ve worked your fucking ass off in life and got nothing to show for than a used up single mother wooing you with her requirement list, then it is not wrong to want even a tiny share of the enjoyment in life that foids get for free as a birthright.
Time to pull out this gif again:
Incels: Using their delusions to stoke their resentment and justify their predatory desires.
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@Not Edward
Yeah, that link basically confirms what I had heard: that marriage didn’t happen until women were older, and there wasn’t much of an age gap. Turan’s claims remain unsupported.
@Kupo
Pretty much. Rich, creepy older men buying child brides has been a thing everywhere that rich people exist, and political/dynastic marriages might have wide age gaps (although even if the marriage formally took place while one (or both) party[ies] was a child, generally it was in name only until they grew up), but beyond that it’s always been normative for marriage to take place between people of similar ages, whether that age is the late teens or the late twenties.
@Moon_custafer
Welp, I didn’t think I’d go through two terrifying fictional works about abortion this week, but such stories are sorely needed right now. The other one is part of Olly Thorn’s latest video. Honestly, the argument about whether a fetus is a person never really sat well with me. It just feels like a semantic debate that puts pro-forced-birth at an advantage because it completely ignores the actual stakes behind the issue. Olly argues that pro-forced-birth isn’t justified even if the fetus is regarded as a full person, using a rather disturbing analogy. I generally view granting part of a right-wing position for the sake of argument as a rather dangerous tactic, but I think it’s justified here for showing that the consistent oppression of people who aren’t cis men in countries that restrict abortion rights is a feature, not a bug.
@Kupo, @Dalillama
Odd but interesting look at medieval “maidenhood” here. The poor didn’t leave much by way of writing – but they did leave their bones. And yeah – peasants got hitched at around 20.
This guy and his FAKE OUTRAGE are funny.
If he’s 35 and she’s 18, he’s not going to go to jail.
As for society, wouldn’t a manly man ignore any side eye?
Quite a few years ago – back in the late 1970’s and ’80’s – there was a scifi magazine, edited by Ben Bova, called “Omni.” There was a story in it about a time when women would be forced to have implanted in their vaginas a device that would record every hormonal and emotional change, every chemical change that happened in a woman’s body when she was pregnant. This device also transmitted, in real time, all of these things to both her doctor and the police. If anything changed, even a little, outside of what the authorities considered “normal,” she would be arrested and forced to undergo whatever procedures they deemed appropriate so that the baby, whose life was considered the only important one, would have the “best chance” of a trouble free gestation and birth. Women had no say over this and a woman could face the death penalty if she miscarried.
When I read that, I had the horrible feeling that we were not far from that.
Then, many years and four kids later, I injured my back. Spent some time watching tv and saw a program on, I believe, the Discovery channel on reproductive technologies and goals. Scared the unholy hell out of me to listen to men who said that eliminating women from the reproductive loop was the only way to guarantee healthy children who would adapt well to the needs of society and the military. Basically, the program was saying that all ills related to birth and the quality of the “product” were caused by women.
This has been going on for a long time and most people simply do not believe it.
My thought is that African American, Hispanic and other non-white women are and will be the first to be treated the way the young woman in Alabama is being treated. Right now, white women who vote and have financial resources are relatively “safe.” But they will come for them in time as well.
Patriarchs will not stop until the world is utterly in their control, especially women.
We do not have any more time to try to reason with these guys. Our planet is being rendered uninhabitable and women are being defined as utterly other. I believe that unless women of all races, ethnic groups, economic status and colors put aside ALL of these strange notions of who is worthy, we may not make it. Patriarchs, of all sexes and orientations, will never let go of the power they think their beliefs and actions give them.
Sorry that this is so long, but I believe it is important. Briefly, in my never humble opinion, I think that there are a few things we women and the men who are our friends must do to change what is happening.
1. We need to stop denying what is happening.
2. We need to stop letting men be the center of all things. Children, their mothers and the well-being of the planet have to take center stage.
3. We women have to stop obeying, stop considering the needs of men over the needs of all else and stop serving them.
4. And we need to consider carefully what is really important for ourselves and act, together, on them.
I live in Oregon and, with a dear friend, will soon be doing a twice monthly radio show and podcast on these issues. We can all find ways to share information and support each other. I may even do a blog, if I can find another woman or two to do it with.
I don’t mind admitting that, at 68 years of age, I am terrified. I did not give birth to my kids just to watch them and my grandkids destroyed by the patriarchal likes of the men in control. I just finished rereading, for the umpteenth time, Sally Miller Gearhart’s “The Wanderground” and I find myself longing for that.
Oh, there is one thing I forgot to mention. What we are seeing/experiencing is not an aberration. This is, in fact, business as usual. It is just so horrible that most of us don’t want to look too deeply.
The histories of religion, military and society in general have been rife with these attitudes for millenia. The main difference is that they finally have the technologies and the wherewithal to pull a lot of it off.
More on Ms. Jones.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/27/terrifying-and-unacceptable-outrage-mounts-over-manslaughter-charge-alabama-woman?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email
This programming lives in a dark and ugly part of my brain… I’ve always considered being aware of this an important aspect of being self-aware, but its disturbing sometimes.
@Samantha Kaswell
Employers are already tricking employees into downloading fertility tracking apps so they can track how many of their employees are pregnant. So, we’re already there. Also, if you feel comfortable doing so, please share your podcast with us!
@Christopher Green
Every time there’s a post about dudes creeping on young women there’s at least one dude who comes in here to let us know that was him/was almost him/would be him if he had less control/etc. And every time it makes everyone else, especially folx like women, enbies, queer folx, etc. extremely uncomfortable and maybe feeling a little less safe. Don’t be that guy.
@Kupo
Indeed! I would be delighted to share! Also, should I decide to do a blog – I will call it either The Wanderground (after the book) or Lysistrata ( after both the Greek play by Aristophanes and the BBS I had for about 5 years – I will share that as well. No competition with the Mammoth, as it will be focused on a few important issues.
@Christopher Green, yup social programming is amazingly insidious – it’s the air we breathe, the water we swim in, and we’re all human – so we all without exception need to look at ourselves sometimes/be wary of assuming we’re immune or have managed to unravel it on any given issue :-\
(::takes off hat to Scildfreja, wherever she may be at this moment::)
That said, kupo makes an important point about the potential impact of there-but-for-the-grace-of type comments on people in the demographic(s)/whom society forces into situations of vulnerability on the axes in question.
Or, as the Wachowskis put it:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/sex-murder-and-the-meaning-life/201906/the-hourglass-figure-is-not-sign-fertility-and-health
Well, i kind of agree with the rant, that is, until i ask myself “Why a woman would want to be with me” i mean what possitive trait could i offer as a human being?
Then i get inside my bedroom to cry.