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Is it bad praxis for a comedian to speak up about sex pest Louis CK? Aimee Terese and her Skidmarxist comrades say yes

This skit by Skidmarxist hero Louis CK no longer seems quite so funny

By David Futrelle

The last time we checked in on the Skidmarxists — which is what I’m now calling the post-Dirtbag-Left collection of faux leftists who use Marxian verbiage to defend Nazis, attack feminists, and justify slur-filled shitposts — one of their own, Aimee Terese, was attacking lefty writer and podcaster Jamie Peck as an “ageing starfucker” for coming forward to talk about the predatory behavior of now-disgraced photographer Terry Richardson.

Now Terese and her shitposting Skidmarxist comrades are going after comedian Kath Barbadoro for committing the apparently counterrevolutionary act of … speaking up against comedy clubs that have resumed booking the unredeemed and apparently irredeemable comedian Louie CK, who in 2017 admitted to being a sex pest who used his power in the business to compel much-less-powerful female comedians to watch him masturbate.

This was the Tweet that set the Skidmarxists off:

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If you put Louis CK on your comedy stage I can't trust that you have my best interests at heart. This is a workplace safety issue and I don't want to work for someone who does not value my safety

An assortment of Skidmarxist influencers decided to weigh in on this with the absolute worst takes possible. On Instagram, Red Scare podcast co-cost Anna Khachiyan responded to Barbadoro with these garbage thoughts:

NARRATOR: Louis CK had in fact done something wrong … repeatedly.

On Twitter, she offered this bit of mockery:

this is the funniest bit by a female comic ever

Amber A’Lee Frost, a semi-regular on Chapo Trap House (and, ironically, the inventor of the “Dirtbag Left” moniker) offered up a virtual garbage dump of thoughts, also on Instagram.

In fact, sexual harassment and worse is common in the food service industry; it is neither “paranoid” nor “hysterical” to worry about it.

On Twitter, meanwhile, our old new friend fiend Aimee Terese offered up this baffling take:

If you're like literally the petty bourgeoise extracting surplus value from my labor, I can't trust that you have my best interests at heart

After I spent a while trying to figure out how a comedian could possibly be extracting surplus value from audience members who voluntarily pay money to see her, several Twitterers helped me to see that Aimee was actually trying to speak from the point of view of a comedian talking about a “petty bourgeoise” [sic] club owner.

As best as I can figure it, she’s saying that the interests of workers and their “bourgeoise” are so fundamentally opposed that we can only truly solve the problem of sexual harassment after the revolution – so why bring it up now?

Of course, by that logic, virtually any kind of labor organizing around working conditions — or even just for higher wages or minimal worker safety improvements — rather than immediate general strike and socialist revolution is a waste of time. Anyone who thinks that’s a Marxist position clearly hasn’t read Marx very carefully.

Then again, Terese also habitually spells “bourgeois” as “bourgeoise,” with that extra “e” at the end. (“Bourgeoise,” not to be confused with either “bourgeois” or “bourgeoisie,” means “a female member of the bourgeoisie.”)

In any case, this weird and muddled and decidedly un-Marxian argument — that it’s somehow self-indulgent to bring up the issue of sexual harassment before some imagined future revolution — helps to clarify what’s wrong with the whole Skidmarxist approach.

On the one hand, Terese is advancing an ultraleftist argument — that the only sort of labor organizing that counts is organizing for revolution now. But the practical effect of this rhetorical ultraleftism is that she ends up supporting a millionaire sex pest and his “petty bourgeoise” enablers (the club owners and festival organizers that book him) and trashing a working comedian.

Others in the Skidmarxist milieu, meanwhile, refuse to see sexual harassment in comedy as a workplace issue at all, most notably Nick Mullen, the alleged leftist co-host of the unfortunate and unfortunately named Cum Town podcast.

He was responding to this (obviously quite sensible) tweet from Barbadoro:

It’s like ur working for a company with the best cable guy on earth and he was jerking off in front of your other coworkers and instead of firing him ppl said u were virtue signaling for not thinking he should keep working there bc he’s a great cable guy

Mullen, who makes an extreeeeemely comfortable living doing a comedy podcast, replied by more or less declaring that comedy isn’t a job and that comedy clubs are not workplaces, at least not for the comics who appear at them. (It’s not clear if he thinks that they’re workplaces for the waitstaff.)

I think seeing this as “a labor issue” is mostly fake. I don’t think anyone really believes they’re in physical danger if Louis does sets at the cellar or skanksfest. I don’t think it’s likely he would “reoffend.” I think people want to see him punished more which, is fair

Never mind that comedy clubs are workplaces and that comedians are workers — and that only a few of them make as much as Mullen does from comedy, even fewer as much as Louis CK has. Never mind that there is no good reason to assume that there’s zero chance he’d at some point re-offend (perhaps not immediately, but later, after the heat dies down).

The real issue here goes way beyond Louis CK. Comedy has been rife with sexual harassment and worse for decades; female comedians put up with an astonishing level of shit. Any club owner who hires the largely unrepentant Louis CK, as Barbadoro suggested in her original tweet, is publicly announcing they don’t give a shit about the safety of female performers.

If they let Louis CK get away with it, why wouldn’t they also let other comics get away with it? The issue isn’t Louis CK jumping from the bushes; it’s a lesser-known comedian preying on some even-lesser known comedian backstage.

The ultimate irony here is that, for all the outrage they’ve directed at Barbadaro — and at other women complaining of sexual harassment- – some of the Skidmarxists have been remarkably quick to accuse others of sexual harassment and worse, often with no evidence at all.

Only a few days ago, in fact, the Skidmarxists and their allies from the Stupidpol subreddit were heading up a Twitter harassment campaign against democratic socialist politician Lee J. Carter, currently running for re-election to the Virginia House of Delegates, after he declared on Twitter he was “FINALLY officially divorced from my abuser.”

One particularly unethical Skidmarxist troll photoshopped some tweets by Carter, who served in Afghanistan, to make it look like he was admitting to sexually abusing Afghan boys.

.@USMarineCorps come get your guy

Here’s a more readable version of the faked screeenshot; I took the liberty of adding the word “FAKE” in huge letters.

This is literally no different from the alt-right and alt-lite trolls — I’m looking at you, Mike Cernovich — who regularly smear people they disagree with as “pedoes” based on no evidence.

Along with telling Wilson to “shut the fuck up,” Terese also offered these thoughts on abuse in general that more than a few observers saw as a not-very-carefully disguised bit of innuendo directed at Wilson.

Intimate partner violence often involves the offender manipulating public perception, inverting reality in beautifully woven narratives. In an era where weaponised trauma becomes cultural currency, we all exacerbate that common abusive dynamic with alarming, invisible frequency.

Terese, for her part, insists that the tweet had nothing to do with Wilson. I guess you’ll have to decide for yourself whether you believe her.

At this point I think we need to accept that the Skidmarxists, whatever their ideological claims, are not in any real sense leftists at all.

While most of them, I suspect, would insist they have nothing in common ideologically with the alt-right, in practice they have come down on the wrong side of issue after issue — attacking liberals, leftists, and feminists and siding, again and again, with antifeminists and reactionaries of all stripes. Their language echoes the worst misogynists (“starfuckers”) and retrograde assholes (“cuck,” “soy boy,” “shitlib,” “degenerate”). In their trolling campaigns, they are virtually indistinguishable from alt-right and alt-lite trolls — and the A Voice for Men flying monkey squad, back when that site was a going concern.

At this point the only genuinely leftist things that the Skidmarxists seem to support are Medicare for All and the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. As writer Nina Illingworth put it on Twitter, these people are basically “just doing fascism with fucking healthcare.”

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Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

Lady needs to pop off the rb and take a nap or a bubble bath.

magnesium
magnesium
2 years ago

There’s something really depressing about the performative podcast left. I’ve unfollowed a lot of people who, despite having lots of interesting stuff to say about labour rights, couldn’t keep from joining in on this toxic behaviour. I guess we can add “not graciously accepting sexual harassment from a millionaire” to this list of things that make women neoliberal wallstreet shills, now.

jsrtheta
jsrtheta
2 years ago

I think she was reaching for “bourgeoisie, but is not as good a speller as she fancies herself.

Of course, when the revolution comes, we won’t need spelling.

Bina
2 years ago

Ahem: Bourgeoise is the feminine form of bourgeois. French is gendered, and contains no gender-neutral noun forms.

This concludes today’s language lesson.

Also, all Skidmarxists and nazbols can go fuck themselves. (Which may be as close as any of them come to committing, heaven forfend, an actual fucking praxis.)

Nequam
Nequam
2 years ago

What Bina said. So she’s not a bad speller, just a pretentious jackoff.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

Google is not helping me out with what Louis here did. I’m sorry to ask, I know it was sexual harassment but what did he do? If it’s really gross I might not want to know.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Lainy

Had a minute – it’s the New York Times, so safe enough to read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I hate to gatekeep leftism, but if you always, always side with the rich white guy over the people with less power that they’re abusing, you aren’t a fucking leftist.

Jurgan
Jurgan
2 years ago

Amber A’Lee Frost, a semi-regular on Chapo Trap House (and, ironically, the inventor of the “Dirtbag Left” moniker) offered up a virtual garbage dump of thoughts, also on Instagram.

Every time I think maybe I should give Chapo Trap House a try, I hear something like this. Thanks for saving my time, I guess.

Bina
2 years ago

@Lainy:

Basically, he jacked off in front of an unwilling audience of aspiring female comedians in his dressing room. He’d lure them in on a pretext of talking business with them, then ask if they wanted to watch him masturbate. Even if they demurred (however politely), he still whipped it out and whacked it in front of them. And he gave hints of all his grossness in his actual, on-stage (and on-screen) performances, too. He’s just a skeevy, skeevy man who pretended to be progressive for years, and whose true ugly nature came out when he was exposed. He’s since basically gone over to the Roseanne Barr/Andrew Dice Clay school of sorehead unfunny people. He’s spiteful as hell, as well as gross.

vaiyt
vaiyt
2 years ago

Providing living proof that no, identity politics are not a distraction from class struggle, they’re a necessary addition because it’s perfectly possible for socialism to be prejudiced.

Pyxxxie
Pyxxxie
2 years ago

Russian trollbots at it again…..

And yes, you heard me right. These tweets are such an asinine perversion of Marxist ideology for usage in reactionary politics only a bot could be this idiotic.

Though yes, there very likely is a pernicious humanoid carbon unit behind these bots attempting to troll us lefties with botched Marxism.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Pyxxxie
You must not have spent much time on Twitter threads about sexual harassment and assault of women, especially by well-liked men, if you go straight to the assumption these accounts are all bots.

Pyxxxie
Pyxxxie
2 years ago

@Kupo:

Perhaps not all of them. But I suspect more of them than you think. This person is a fucking idiot with her incoherent Marxist babblings.
Yes I’m calling her a troll cuz that’s precisely what she does.

Ever heard of botnets BTW?

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Pyxxxie

Going to gently suggest you really should find out something about a person before you question their knowledge.

Kupo knows more about coding and networking than you, me, and any ten others here (Scild excepted) combined.

Now, as to your assertion that only a bot could be so stupid …

HAVE YOU MET PEOPLE?!

Frederic Christie
2 years ago

I love the totally predictable hypocrisy.

You’re a comedian who tells rape jokes? Everyone else should get over it snowflakes.

You’re a comedian who doesn’t and think it is shitty? Fuck your opinion, I’m a snowflake.

Andrew Dice Clay and Roseanne Barr are doing an anti-PC comedy tour. Will they come out and say “Hey, another comedian disagrees with us, that’s their speech and let’s not stifle it?” Of course not.

And if I just don’t find your shitty stereotype comedy funny because its lazy and actually untrue? Fuck my opinion!

The only interesting thing is seeing the sectarian Marxists on this side. They’re usually assholes but they’re usually not fighting right wing culture wars. But 4chan got to them too I guess.

Saeva
Saeva
2 years ago

@bina
A bit of nitpicking: in French you can also use the word “bourgeoisie” to identify a group of people “the bourgeois”

But I agree, th spelling is almost as bad as the message

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Bina

He’s since basically gone over to the Roseanne Barr/Andrew Dice Clay school of sorehead unfunny people.

And Roseanne Barr (the housewife-comedian who preferred to be called a domestic goddess because she felt it was more descriptive of the job) used to be funny and speak up for women.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Was Marx himself a Marxist?

WHAT MARX HID

By RALPH BUULTJENS

MARCH 14, 1983

On March 14, 1883, Karl Marx died in London. Today, a century later, the man and his ideas continue to arouse intense passions. . . .

The focus of most advocacy and antagonism has been on Marx’s ideas. There has been a cascade of biography describing his life and times, yet all this effort and analysis discloses very little about his human side. Haunted by poverty, irascible, but a kind and loving parent, he was a paradoxical, tormented character. He was a seminal thinker and an impractical man anxiously seeking recognition in a world that to him seemed unaffected by his theories.

A large part of his torment – tensions that possibly affected his work – was lodged in a part of his life that Marx desperately sought to hide. Even today, this secret, which he successfully concealed during his lifetime, is not well known. In 1851, while living in London, Marx fathered an illegitimate son by Helen Demuth, the longtime family maid. Fearing that this indiscretion would destroy his marriage and damage his public image, he organized an effective cover-up, whose participants were Marx’s friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels and Helen Demuth.

Engels pretended he was the father and Miss Demuth confirmed the deception. The infant, Fredrick Demuth, was given away to be brought up by a working-class family in London. The secret was preserved for more than four decades. In 1895, on his deathbed, Engels confessed to Eleanor Marx -one of Marx’s two surviving daughters. She was shattered by the revelation. Three years later, she committed suicide. In 1911, Marx’s other daughter, Laura, killed herself. Freddy Demuth grew up a neglected, lonely child. Marx could not afford any support. Engels, on whom Marx depended financially, sent small, infrequent remittances. Both Marx and Engels distanced themselves from Freddy. Marx never saw the boy. Freddy Demuth was poorly educated. For most of his life, he worked as a laborer and toolmaker. After Marx’s death, he established closer contact with his mother, who had then become Engels’s housekeeper. Freddy visited her weekly but was allowed only into the kitchen and servants’ rooms through the back door. Engels, like Marx, shunned him. After his mother’s death in 1890, Freddy hardly ever saw Engels. Neither Marx nor Engels provided a legacy for him. However, Marx’s daughters did give Freddy some money from their share of both estates. In 1929, after a hard, obscure life, Freddy died at 78 in a poor section of London. Nobody, not even his mother, told him the truth about his paternity and he died believing he was Engels’s bastard child. Marx’s secret was well-concealed. In his lifetime, only Helen and Engels shared in this confidence. On his death, they screened his papers to eliminate references to Freddy. . . . While researching this part of Marx’s life, a part that contains many clues to the development of his ideas, I became convinced that many Marxists had built a wall of silence around this secret. No major Soviet biographical material about Marx mentions Freddy. Other Marxists brush it off as irrelevant gossip. It is clear that to the Marxist world, Fredrick Demuth did not exist, or that the subject is taboo. The heroic proletarian image of the father of the revolution must not be tarnished by evidence of his duplicity, hypocrisy, frailty. The episode shows us how essentially human Marx was. He had the same fears, despairs and guilts that afflicted other conventional citizens of Victorian Britain. These traumas and their impact on his life and thought suggest that Marx’s own strictly economic interpretation of history is an insufficient instrument for explaining human motivation and the evolution of society. His life confounded his theories. This irony would not have been lost on the highly intelligent Marx, and perhaps this is why his work appears incomplete and inconclusive. Marx’s stature justifies commemoration of his death. But in doing so, we must remember the whole man, his humanity, his vulnerability – and not abstract or suppress segments of his life to fit our own mythology.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/14/opinion/what-marx-hid.html

occasional reader
occasional reader
2 years ago

Hello.

On the word “bourgeoise”, as Bina said (and maybe Ohlmann in a former post with Therese in it), it is the feminine of “bourgeois”, which, i suppose, Therese aimed to apply to Barbadoro.

As you know, the first meaning of the word was to designate people living “in a village” (village also exist in french, but depending on the size and its location, it can also be called a bourg, mainly when closed to castles. You can find that in the term “faubourg”, suburb, former bourgs which have been integrated in a growing city). In bourgs were living mainly tradespeople and artisans, whom, by comparison to peasants and laborers, were earning better their life. Thus the association of the term “bourgeoisie” to “middle-class” (I have made a big generalization, i am sure more knowledgeable persons would be happy to give you an extended and detailed explanation and correct me if i am wrong).

Now, the term get a pejorative connotation, not only when used by richer of poorer persons in a “class” view of the thing. As an example, qualifying someone as a “petit bourgeois” is a way to mean the person like (or is supposed to like) to make display of its wealthiness / easy living. It is close to the “nouveau riche” (i do not know if the concept of “new rich” also exist in english ?) term. You kind also find this connotation in the abbreviation “bobo”, which means “bourgois-bohème”. “bohème” is used here in the “free, artistic, close to the nature, etc…” meaning, close to the hippy meaning. The “bohème” way of life is not supposed to be a well earning way, and coupling it with the “bourgeois” term could seem a bit antithetical, but that is the goal. So, the term “bobo” aims at designate people who try to appear as living and thinking themselves as “bohème”, but with enough money to back them to not have the worries which come with the “bohème” way of life. Thus, the pejorative connotation. Oh, and it is also mainly associated to left-leaning persons (thus the expression “bobo gauchiste”), collating them a bit with the expression “gauche caviar” (“caviar leftwing”, rich person with left-leaning opinions, or supposed so, like DSK, if you remember him), in babacool wears for the first, in business suit for the second.

Finally, another main meaning of “bourgeoise”, or so it was some decades ago (as trends tend to shift) : it is a slang word to designate the wife of someone, even your own when you are an asshole. It is not exceptionnaly rude, but it keeps the connotation of someone which is not “working a lot”, if you get the meaning. Unsuprisingly, the term was often used in porno titles of those times.

All in all, i think the use of this term, currently (and not just by Therese), is just a disparaging way to designate someone you did not like, outside of historical topics.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
2 years ago

Expect that niche to continue visibly veering to the right – they might, at some point, start calling themselves nationalists and deny that there’s anything wrong with the term, for example.

I know because, well, for once the US isn’t diving in first and leading the rest of the world there. See shitstains like Alain Soral, Robert Ménard, etc. France has metric shitloads of such cases, and we’ve had them long enough that they’re a pretty accurate description of what Terese will sound like maybe half a decade from now.

doethreetwoone
doethreetwoone
2 years ago

Maybe its because I only ever studied Marxism in Canada, but I’ve always seen it written as “bourgeoisie”.

I don’t know if its the French influence or not, but I’ve also noticed that I’m more likely to see “petite bourgeoisie” than I am to see “petty bourgeoisie”.

“petty bourgeois” just looks really wrong to me.

Amtep
Amtep
2 years ago

Shorter Frost: “I work with convicted rapists, but I’m not so silly as to think they would actually rape anyone”

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Amtep
Right. Because they already did that.

cmh
cmh
2 years ago

Just wanted to say that Skidmarxists is genius.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@occasional reader

“nouveau riche” (i do not know if the concept of “new rich” also exist in english ?)

Classist terms? In my english? But of course! It is also called “nouveau riche”, which has the added benefit of sounding extra pretentious because foreign.

the expression “gauche caviar” (“caviar leftwing”, rich person with left-leaning opinions, or supposed so, like DSK, if you remember him),

I’ve heard that described as “champagne socialism”.

brian
brian
2 years ago

@David
I think for some reason you started calling Carter “Wilson” at the end, when discussing Terese’s tweets?

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

All American conservatives are interested in is abusing people they consider “less than”…

Feles ex machina
Feles ex machina
2 years ago

I’m sorry if you’ve already addressed and discussed this in a previous post somewhere, but if not, I was wondering if anyone else here thinks that this has a whiff of modern-day Strasserism to it? Briefly, for anyone who isn’t familiar with the term:

Strasserism (German: Strasserismus or Straßerismus) is a strand of Nazism that calls for a more radical, mass-action and worker-based form of Nazism—hostile to Jews not from a racial, ethnic, cultural or religious perspective, but from an anti-capitalist basis—to achieve a national rebirth

This populist and antisemitic form of anti-capitalism was further developed in 1925 when Otto Strasser published the Nationalsozialistische Briefe, which discussed notions of class conflict, wealth redistribution and a possible alliance with the Soviet Union. – – Strasserism therefore became a distinct strand of Nazism that whilst holding on to previous Nazi ideals such as palingenetic ultranationalism and antisemitism, added a strong critique of capitalism and framed this in the demand for a more socialist-based approach to economics.

Or do the people here more familiar with these people’s politics think I’m completely off the mark?

(And hello all, I’ve been reading on and off for years, but I don’t remember ever commenting before. 🙂 )

Pyxxxie
Pyxxxie
2 years ago
Wetherby
Wetherby
2 years ago

Maybe its because I only ever studied Marxism in Canada, but I’ve always seen it written as “bourgeoisie”.

I don’t know if its the French influence or not, but I’ve also noticed that I’m more likely to see “petite bourgeoisie” than I am to see “petty bourgeoisie”.

“petty bourgeois” just looks really wrong to me.

I can appreciate that it must look weird if you spend more time with the French language than the average English speaker, but it’s a perfectly standard Anglicisation on my side of the Atlantic, often hyphenated as “petty-bourgeois”.

A quick search on the Guardian website has turned up 110 examples, but just 38 instances of “petite bourgeoisie” – and Google ranks them as pretty much equal.

Katamount
2 years ago

“Skidmarxists.” I think I might have to steal that term. I like it.

I think we need to do away with this idea of “victimhood gives people social currency.” I can’t really think of a single instance where somebody actually capitalized culturally off being a victim of abuse. Civil lawsuits can be filed and sometimes end in settlement, sure, but even then still something kinda fucked up in the notion that money makes these kind of problems go away. Regardless, that’s not what the #MeToo movement is about; it was always about accountability and cultural change. It’s not like Rose McGowan is getting the roles of a lifetime now (especially after her other cringe-worthy moments). Similarly Lucy Decoutere didn’t need a spotlight shined on her when she accused Jian Ghomeshi. She was already well-known from Trailer Park Boys and had an Air Force career established.

Women coming forward might get a media spotlight for a second or two, but it fades fast, and often it’s not wanted. I don’t think Anita Hill wanted to become a household name because of what Clarence Thomas did to her.

Oh and OT, but it’s my berfday today. Yay! Hard to believe I’m 34 already. It’s an odd feeling, seeing so many folks around in public life born in the 90s. Heck, I read in the paper the Leafs top draft pick was born on 9/11. God, that makes me feel old.

I don’t think I’d call it a mid-life crisis or anything, but I’m kinda feeling the weight of the years on me. If I might be permitted to get real a moment (and frankly, being a loner, I don’t really have anybody else to sound off on it), I think a lot about the lasting impact of what I do creatively. If I have any fear, it’s being completely lost in this sea of seven billion people and just fading into obscurity, another headstone in a field of headstones. A first-world problem to be sure, but in a first world where really obnoxious people get to be known by millions on YouTube… just kinda like to be known by at least a few people. Not easy when you’re anxious around people and like being alone. That’s kinda why I write and draw stuff, it’s just that porny furry stuff is kinda niche, although it’s definitely its own thing now. Gotten plenty of eyeballs on my DA page, for instance. But I’ve never been very fast at content generation, nor very good at marketing.

I think I’ll set a goal for myself: finish my set of novels by 2025. I have four or five planned. One is complete (but needs revision), a second is nearly done and the others have their story beats in line. And all the pervy side stories I’ve written can be edited and compiled (and with any luck, be illustrated).

I suppose, looking back at the arc of my own life, I’ve definitely grown more comfortable in my own skin and of my own abilities. I definitely didn’t feel that way in my 20s, where the world seemed so big and important and I felt like I didn’t really matter. Seeing a lot of the smoke and mirrors stripped away, you realize that it’s all just illusionary. People who puff themselves up on social media (looking your way, NYT Columnists) aren’t as important or intelligent as they claim to be. Kinda lets me feel a little more confident in myself.

Also gotta get that 7th Guest Let’s Play edited. I’ll start this weekend. But for today, I’m takin’ it easy. Cheers, folks!

Newt
Newt
2 years ago

A quick search on the Guardian website has turned up 110 examples, but just 38 instances of “petite bourgeoisie” – and Google ranks them as pretty much equal.

When I just tried the Guardian search, I got 81 results for “petite bourgeoisie”, but 470 for “petit bourgeois”. Then 464 for “petty …”, although in some of those the highlighted text was the “petit” form.

So I’d thought that “petit bourgeois” was a Thing, but “petty bourgeois” a malapropism. Given that Terese previously claimed that “bourgeoise” was a typo, and still uses it (often preceded by “petty”) I’m not convinced that she’s adding the feminine ending to show off her French skillz.

Okami
Okami
2 years ago

@Jorgan:

Every time I think maybe I should give Chapo Trap House a try, I hear something like this. Thanks for saving my time, I guess.

I have to defend Chapo a bit here. Amber was always the one with the worst takes on many topics. And when you go the Chapotraphouse Subreddit you’ll find several threads where the community is very much not on her side.

They are dirtbags but they are not that bad in this case.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Shadowplay
Aww, thanks. Secure systems certainly aren’t my specialty, but I know a botnet from a terrible person. And no, Pyxxxie, troll doesn’t apply if they’re saying the things they’re saying because they actually believe them. Not that it really matters whether they’re genuine or not; an ironic goat fucker is still a goat fucker, after all.

@Pyxxxie, you do serious harm when you dismiss these accounts as botnets.* There are a vocal number of very real people who spend their time harassing vulnerable groups on Twitter and making their lives hell. I mean, ffs, an account whose sole purpose was giving detailed guides on anatomically correct manga drawings was driven off for using the innocuous terminology “correct” and “beginner”. A ten-year-old got blasted for not fawning over Keanu Reeves. Trans folx get harassed for existing.

You’re on a website dedicated to mocking some of the worst groups of humans in existence and you have the gall to tell us that some of the more tame shit David has dredged up to date is fake because it has bad grammar? Have you MET the internet? FFS.

* That’s honestly not what botnets are used for, btw. People don’t spend good money to troll on Twitter; they use botnets for more lucrative prospects. Mostly bitcoin farming these days. I’m sure you mean bots, but since you want to throw around terminology from my field, I thought I should clarify for readers.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
2 years ago

Always remember that Louis CK didn’t just masturbate in front of unwilling women, but that he also deliberately destroyed their credibility and careers afterward so that he could get away with it.

Jackson Ayres
Jackson Ayres
2 years ago

Incoherence, thy name is the internet.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Katamount:
If you want to feel younger, well, I’m about as old as you can be and not have been around when the Leafs last won the Stanley Cup. (I’m 51.) I have convention T-shirts that are of legal drinking age in the U.S, and in fact are probably older than half the attendees at some of the conventions I go to.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

Thanks for the help guys.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Hold on, the Leafs once won the Cup?! Let me guess, it was before any of the other teams existed or something. 🙂

Katamount
2 years ago

@Jenora Feuer

It’s amazing, innit? Feels like you’re the elder statesperson in any given group.

But I’ll be alright. As far as those racier stories go, I checked my iCloud account and somehow I’ve compiled about 70 novella-length stories in the probably about eight years I’ve been pecking away at them.

Editing them will be fun!

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Hold on, you trust that sort of thing to an iCloud account? Which Apple employees, their “marketing partners” (aka “every corporation and rich individual on Earth, potentially”), the NSA, law enforcement, and any passing hacker (see also: fappening, the) can view? Aren’t you worried about plagiarism or some other appropriation of your unfinished work, and/or that it will match some keyword search and land you on a terrorism watch list because somewhere in one of them the villain kidnaps the President’s daughter or something, while also causing you to get very strange ads served to you in the meantime?

I would keep stuff like that local. Or at least encrypt it with something I could be sure applied the crypto on my own hardware at my end and did not entrust anyone other than me with the key …

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

@ Leafs fans;

Stanley Cup wins: 1967, 1964, 1963, 1962, 1951, 1949, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1932, 1922, 1918

While I will freely admit to being the only one in attendance here who actually WAS alive for their last win….

Still, let’s not make Chicago Cubs of them….

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
2 years ago

@WeirdEddie LOL no. I apparently was around for ’67 and ’64 (though I was actually in Winnipeg at the time :D).

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

Yeah, I’ve commented before that the last time the Leafs won the cup, Tim Horton was still best known for playing Defense for them.

LG
LG
2 years ago

I am so tired of how we’re all apparently supposed to forgive Louis C. K., Al Franken and Aziz Ansari now, just because…I don’t even fucking know. Because they’re “allies”? Because they’re not as bad as Trump? Because they gave fake apologies?

Just goes to show how much progress we still haven’t made.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Stanley Cup wins: 1967, 1964, 1963, 1962, 1951, 1949, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1932, 1922, 1918

While I will freely admit to being the only one in attendance here who actually WAS alive for their last win….

Around for their last 4, so don’t go feeling all old and shit. Hell, I’m old enough to actully remember England winning the World Cup. 😛

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

@Pyxxie: I’d like to echo kupo here and say it is dangerous whenever people automatically pass these off as trolls or Russian bots. It reminds me of when kids who are being bullied go to the teacher and instead of helping, they just tell the kid the bullies don’t really mean it and just ignore it. A lot of times that attitude allows those who want to abuse someone to escalate, because they know now they’ll get away with it.

Also, on the Russian bots… I am a Russian speaker and I have a master’s in linguistics and I can tell you these are not written by Russians. There are some grammatical mistakes (I won’t tell you what they are) that are very specific to native Russian speakers learning English. These mistakes are subconscious and have nothing to do with anyone’s intelligence or anything, they just have to do with some things that are very basic to English that are not present in Russian at all.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

@Feles ex machina: the Soviet Union was also extremely anti-Semitic, especially under Stalin. I’d say she’s more a Stalinist than a Strasserite.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

Trigger warning: spying, sexual assault and harassment.

No, Amber Lee Frost, I will not pardon you. I also worked in the service industry. At one place my boss kept giving me massages that I never asked for. I was 16 and he was 30. He was also actively trying to date another girl my age who worked at another place nearby. At another place, a guy was caught after he put cameras in the women’s restrooms and apparently watched for months. And at yet another place, our assistant manager really loved drawing pictures of what he wanted to do to us and then giving them to us. We reported this, and nothing was ever done. He was finally fired after he showed up to work drunk several times.

Women should have the right to feel safe at work, no matter what you think.

So go fuck yourself, Amber Lee Frost.