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QUIZ: Who called #MeToo accusers a bunch of “starf*ckers” — putative leftist Aimee Terese or professional misogynist Paul Elam?

Aimee Terese and Paul Elam: Bad Take factories

By David Futrelle

It’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference between a certain subspecies of contemporary leftist — the anti-“identity politics” types who take a naughty delight in dismissing their foes as “retarded” — and the pepe-posting assholes of the alt-right and/or the woman-hating dinguses of the Men’s Rights Movement.

Take, for example, the putatively leftist podcaster and Twitter provocateur/bad-take-factory Aimee Terese. Several weeks ago, you may recall, Terese caused a bit of a stir by suggesting that journalist Talia Jane, who had gone public about the skeezy sexual DMs she’d gotten from a male colleague, has such an unbeautiful face that she should have been flattered that any man would “even contemplate ejaculating on it.” (No, really, she actually said that.)

Today Terese is back at it again, posting comments about #MeToo that are virtually indistinguishable from some of the worst things that professional misogynist Paul Elam, founder of the hate site A Voice for Men, has said on the subject.

How indistinguishable, you ask? Well, see if you can distinguish them. One of the quotes below is from Terese; one is from Elam; and one I made up for this quiz.

1) “#metoo is [a] long awaited catharsis for ageing starfuckers everywhere. That time your naked 19 year old self gave a handy to a celebrity photographer is now your trauma ticket to the 15 minutes of fame you were denied back then.”

2) “Elderly ex-star fuckers have seized on #metoo both as a means to take down the alpha males they once idolized and to round up a white knight brigade of emasculated shitlib soy boys eager to tell them they’re still oh so pretty.”

3) “[Prominent celebrity’s] victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers?”

When you’re ready, scroll down for the answer.

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The first quote is from Terese; the third is from Elam (and the celebrity in question was now-convicted-rapist Bill Cosby); the quote in the middle is my best approximation of the sort of rhetoric the two share.

In any case, the answer to the question in my headline is that both Elam and Terese have now publicly called #MeToo accusers “starfuckers,” the only real difference between their rhetoric being whether or not they put a space between “star” and “fuckers” or not.

Here’s the full quote from Terese, in a Tweet today:

Aimee Terese
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#metoo is long awaited catharsis for ageing starfuckers everywhere.
That time your naked 19 year old self gave a handy to a celebrity photographer is now your trauma ticket to the 15 minutes of fame you were denied back then. He and the skin pics are finally going to pay off!

In addition to being a reprehensible thing to say about #MeToo accusers in general, Terese’s tweet seems pretty clearly to be snipe at one accuser in particular: model-turned-writer-and-podcast-producer Jamie Peck, who went public with her story of sexual abuse at the hands of predatory photographer Terry Richardson in 2010 — which was, incidentally, a full seven years before the #MeToo hashtag went viral. Not coincidentally, it also took seven years — and countless other women coming forward with similar stories about the powerful photographer — before publishing giant Conde Nast and several large fashion houses finally dropped him.

As for Elam, here’s a link to a post I did on Elam’s horrific take on Cosby. The quote in question was the title of Elam’s post, in which he also referred to Cosby’s accusers as

a bunch of greedy women who commoditized their bodies like groupies who managed to get backstage at a rock concert.

As it turns out — no great shock here — Terese has had quite a few other terrible things to say about #metoo.

Sometimes she makes an effort to drape her retrograde opinions in Marxoid buzzwords.

Aimee Terese
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The neoliberal feminist girlbosses and their emasculated liberal men denied the fracture, leaning into gender reductionism, #metoo, abortion obsession & trauma porn.
They fetishised bourgeoise womens's rage to manufacture consent for a fantasy that male entitlement was to blame.
The hysterical discourses of our era -#metoo prime among them- adopt a patina of sexual moralism, but the sex is a mere cloak by which bourgeoise ideology propagates & reproduces itself. Discursive gasoline poured on a fire of neoliberal acceleration, atomisation and alienation.
Metoo is a self aggrandising project squabbling over scraps at the neoliberal table, framing justice as gender war (instead of class war) is retarded, and it merely props up the status quo by avoiding structural critique. I’m not imagining utopia, I’m pointing out a smug fraud.

When she’s not spouting buzzwords, she likes to present herself as the True Voice of working women — fighting against the rich ladies and the giant corporations (?) that are supposedly benefiting from the movement.

I've said it a thousand times, #metoo was a political weapon by which wealthy women leveraged career opportunities, it had nothing to do with justice, equity, or harassment.
#MeToo was never about justice, it was about power and ambition; public leverage for those whose delusions of grandeur had been thwarted by the ice cold corporate bog. The dirty little secret is that it was only ever available to women *already* in positions of relative power.
#metoo has done nothing for working class women, deprived pmc women of mentoring opportunities and made them feel less safe at work, but hey Oscar winner, Michelle Williams has been so moved personally and professionally to be a part of the conversation!
No. It isn't. 

Loving the immediacy of the #metoo content sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, really helps drive home what kind of 'movement' it is, Microsoft thanks you for your service.

Apparently #MicrosoftMeToo comes pre-loaded with Windows 10. But you can disable it in “settings.”

While Terese normally likes to pretend she’s pushing some uber-enlightened Marxoid philosophy when she attacks #MeToo, she sometimes forgets. It’s pretty hard to discern even a pretend progressive impulse behind a tweet like this:

Frigid Women May Be Killing Office Productivity 😜 #metoo

I dunno, it kind of seems to me that a joke suggesting that #metoo accusers are a bunch of “frigid women” isn’t really very funny, even with a a winky-tongue-sticky emoji stuck in the middle of it? But what do I know? I’m probably just some emasculated careerist shitlib soy boy who needs to read more Marx and 4chan.

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Bakunin
Bakunin
1 year ago

“Denied the fracture”
Please tell me this isn’t referring to vaginas.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

I find Aimee Terese’s tweets just leave me confused. I feel like in a few years? (months? days???) she’ll come out with some how-I-converted-to-Conservatism narrative, complete with how she was a big old sinner I mean feminist but has now Seen The Light. Like Roosh, only with a different starting point. Or maybe she’s already done that? I only know her from what I read on WHTM because I can’t stomach any more exposure.

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
1 year ago

she’s basically a female version of Jordan Peterson.

using buzzwords she deliberately misinterprets the meaning of to get clicks from the ignorati, just like Peterson.

I fucking hate these people.

theluckyfrog
theluckyfrog
1 year ago

I can’t even understand what she’s *talking* about. How does a person that generally incoherent get an audience? Reminds me of my motto for political/informational writing in general: if you can’t be bothered to say it in a way that’s understandable to most people, it can’t be very important.

Amy E
Amy E
1 year ago

Also confused. But she wouldn’t be the first supposedly independent voice who turns out to be working with the usual suspects. Is the fact that she uses the same vocab as Elam here telling, or is that terminology common?

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@ichthyic

Oh Christ she is. You found the perfect words for it

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

@ theluckyfrog,

Exactly! And also: if you can’t explain it to a reasonably intelligent 12-year-old, you don’t understand it yourself.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@Bakunin,

I’m not sure if you were being sarcastic, but just in case you actually wanted to know:

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And yeah, everyone commenting on her horrendous writing is spot on. It’s legitimately terrible.

Myra
1 year ago

A female David Horowitz for this generation? Probably.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I won the quiz. I don’ t know whether to be proud or disturbed.

Anyway, I will never understand those women who want to be the cool girl for asshole guys. I just don’t fucking get it.

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

“They fetishised bourgeoise womens’s rage to manufacture consent for a fantasy that male entitlement was to blame.”

Can someone explain this part to me please? So she’s saying that the people involved in me too exploited middle class women’s rage and directed it at the fantasy of male entitlement? I’m mostly confused by the “consent for a fantasy” part.

Edit: Also, what does it mean to “manufacture consent for a fantasy”?

Aron
Aron
1 year ago

I can’t stand Marxists.

I’ll bet you dollars to doughnuts she’s a Tankie, too.

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
1 year ago

@ichthyic & amp;@Lainy:
Sadly, she’d probably take such a comparison as a compliment.

Fujimoto
Fujimoto
1 year ago

@ObSidJag

It would be interesting to actually call her out on that since Terese made an excellent overview of how idiotic Peterson is on Revolutionary Left Radio, making it especially amusing how much she sounds like him now.

I hope these outbursts cause people who know her to cut ties.

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

Ohhhhh maybe she just means that the people behind metoo “worship” the anger towards male entitlement held by middle class women?

epitome of incomprehensibility

Does she really think her criticisms of #MeToo are original? Tarana Burke, the person who first used the phrase in this way, talked about class and race inequality in the movement. Lots of people have addressed the need to make it more inclusive WITHOUT going “Oh, we should throw the whole thing away.”

Bakunin
Bakunin
1 year ago

@Mish
I think I’ve just been reading too much garbage lately, with just the tweet David posted I parsed it as “emasculated men who were denied”, not “emasculated men who denied”.

Then again Terese isn’t exactly a coherent writer…

Casta
Casta
1 year ago

Can someone confirm for certain that this individual is indeed a woman? I have my suspicions.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

I knew which one was David’s because, despite the alt-right buzzword madlibbing, the sentence structure was correct.

Edit:

Can someone confirm for certain that this individual is indeed a woman? I have my suspicions.

Hey, it’s pretty sexist to assume women can’t be terrible and/or misogynistic people.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

I’m no Marxist scholar, but I’m relatively familiar with leftist jargon, and none of those tweets make a single lick of sense to me.

I get the sense that they’re intended to sound like:
“#MeToo is problematic because it only benefits privileged women and leaves marginalized women in similar or worse conditions than they were in pre-#MeToo”

while actually meaning:
“Look at me! I’m attacking women who speak up or otherwise make some men uncomfortable! I’m a cool girl! I can be used to prove that even leftists think things like that #MeToo is going too far and that ableist slurs are totally fine! Let me into the club!”

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
1 year ago

@Silly-bollocks
“Manufacture of consent” refers to a propaganda model which claims that when the media in a capitalist country are subject to market forces, they will usually produce propaganda encouraging the public to accept things that benefit the market but that the public would normally balk at.

Aimee Terese, however, seems to be using it as a synonym for “creating fake news.” She sure does like this pattern: Economic liberals¹ Xed to manufacture consent for a fantasy that Y was/were to blame.

In just what’s quoted here, we have the following X → Y’s:
fetishized bourgeoise women’s rage → male entitlement
sold a narrative [of bad stuff] → Trump and Putin
spun a narrative [of bad stuff] → Nazi’s, incels and fascism

It’s just your typical conspiracy theorizing and denialism fancied up with leftist buzzwords. The important thing to take away is that this so-called leftist doesn’t think anything in the Y category is, even in part, actually to blame for the state of the world today.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

I’ve always seen me too as a thing; because if rich and in the public eye women are being abused, assaulted, all of that just imagine what women who have very little power are going through. If it’s bad for the people who have resources and money, then those that don’t have that could be even worse. The me too movement needs improvement yes, but it is a good thing that is helping a lot of people.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Oh, hey, looks like she discovered this post.

Oh look red bull woman got her self righteous knickers in a bunch.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
1 year ago

@A.Noyd, @silly-bollocks:

Yeah, what A. Boyd said. I think the translation goes something like:

They fetishised bourgeoise womens’s rage to manufacture consent for a fantasy that male entitlement was to blame.

= “They used bourgeois women’s rage (about men’s behaviour, specifically sexual harassment) to push the notion that patriarchy (and not Capitalism) was to blame (women’s oppression).”

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
1 year ago

Oops, just realized I forgot the footnote to my post above:
¹And just how much is she banking on people not knowing the difference between economic liberalism and social liberalism, I wonder?

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

They fetishised bourgeoise womens’s rage to manufacture consent for a fantasy that male entitlement was to blame.

The problem with this (well, one of the problems with it) is that it’s completely confused about which clause is which. Is it

They fetishised bourgeoise women’s rage (in order to) manufacture consent for a fantasy

or is it

They fetishised (bourgeoise women’s rage to manufacture consent) for a fantasy that…

?

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@Bakunin, she is not very good with words, no 🙁

But she does have a high opinion of her own intelligence:

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Here’s a recent convo about AOC that’s especially charming:

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A. Noyd
A. Noyd
1 year ago

@Rabid Rabbit

The problem with this (well, one of the problems with it) is that it’s completely confused about which clause is which.

It’s the first one. They (ie. economic liberals) are doing the consent manufacturing. It makes slightly more grammatical sense if you know “manufacture consent” is a set phrase referring specifically to something capitalist media does to mislead people.

In more plain language, she’s saying, “They did X in order to make people believe Y is to blame.” But plain language would be easier to see through, so of course she avoids it.

Just don’t ask me to explain what she’s accusing them of blaming Y for.

occasional reader
occasional reader
1 year ago

Should she be called Vox Night ?

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@A. Noyd

I’d still have flunked her if I’d had her in one of my writing classes.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
1 year ago

@Rabid Rabbit
I wouldn’t blame you for flunking her. Any sensible teacher would also flunk her for reusing the same language over and over. Maybe she uses a script to generate her li’l nuggets of “wisdom.”

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

Oh god, just what the left needs… that lady is not my comrade.

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

@A. Noyd

OHHHHHHH!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP, THANK YOU SO MUCH! You have no idea how much this was bugging me.

reggie, the neighbour's cat and rare mutant
reggie, the neighbour's cat and rare mutant
1 year ago

She’s very proud that she’s heard of lots of $5 words, isn’t she? She is like those uni students who think that by throwing every big word they’ve ever heard all into the one paragraph their lecturers will be in awe of their brilliance, but all the big words in the world are useless if what they’re used to say is garbage and unintelligible.

Also I got the quiz right – but then I knew Aimee Terese was Australian and “handy” was immediately identifiable slang.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
1 year ago

OK. :: sharpens pencil, dons Marxist editorial hat ::

Bourgeoise …???!!

Adjective – bourgeois.
Noun – bourgeoisie.

There is no bourgeoise.

Others have done their best with the rest.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

dons Marxist editorial hat

I’m trying to picture this hat. Please provide a full description (as well as the etsy site where they can be purchased…)

😄

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

And here I thought true Marxism was about standing together with the people standing up to those abusing their power, regardless of their background. What Aimee Terese does is is the opposite, she just looks for any excuse to blame the victims and excuse the abusers in power, and ironically, it’s exactly this mentality, to dismiss those not “oppressed enough” and claim only “real victims” have the right to stand up for themselves that has allowed the right to divide and conquer to the point that there barely is any viable left-wing political alternative in the west today, only neoliberalism or right-wing nationalism, and her using the fact that she’s a woman to hide her misogyny just makes her all the more awful.

Anyway, speaking of women doing misogynist things, has anyone else read about Jennifer Kent’s movie The Nightingale? When I first heard about it and learned that the movie was going to be a brutal revenge movie with a female protagonist set in 1825 Tasmania, my first thought was immediatelyn“please don’t give her a rape backstory, please don’t give her a rape backstory” because that’s what always happens in all historical movies that aren’t Jane Austen adaptions, but I was carefully optimistic that a female filmmaker would respect this and dare to do something different, but nope (CW for rape), apparently it was bad enough that audience members walked out of it due to two graphic rape scenes that serves as the heroine’s motivation for revenge (plus the villain also kills her husband and child after making them watch her rape, but that was overshadowed by all the rape). And the worst part of all are all the people defending this by saying that hey, it was directed by a woman, and claiming HisToRiCAL aCcURacy.

I’m just so damn angry because this isn’t subversive, it’s the default for female protagonists in media, and using it as a motivation for a brutal revenge quest is not a respectful or realistic depiction of trauma but only reinforces the notion that survivors are “damaged goods” that neither can nor want to heal and resume a normal life, and graphically depicting it on screen only serves to desensitize people to it, and the fact that Kent outright said she’d understand if people walked out only makes it worse in my eyes, since she clearly knew she was going to upset many people who were predominantly women with those scenes yet still went ahead and filmed them. I’m just sick to death of women perpetuating the same disgusting narratives and conventions as misogynist men while pretending being women automatically makes the misogyny OK.

Mayu the Emotional Support Succubus
Mayu the Emotional Support Succubus
1 year ago

I’m starting to think all those people who said perhaps letting the “dirtbag left” become as big as it did and making thingsthat appeal to those kinda chuds would be a problem was pretty right

Mayu the Emotional Support Succubus
Mayu the Emotional Support Succubus
1 year ago

also holy shit, ok like if you want evidence someone is one of those marxists who maybe likes authortianans and bigotry a bit to much see if they use the terms radlib or anarcholib, since whos are literly oxymorons, a liberal canot be radical, and a liberal cannot be an anarchist, its like one step above them just going “Those stupid anarchokiddies” and comparing anarchosydiclists to anarchocapitlists

It Is Over
It Is Over
1 year ago

The institutional power part confused me but I assume it’s an extra way for her to play the unfairly maligned, powerless victim. As far as I can tell, she’s an asshole who lashes out at everyone for even the slightest perceived misstep but can’t take what she dishes out whatsoever. If you’re going to be an asshole, at least be an asshole who doesn’t cry foul any time someone calls you out on being an asshole.

It Is Over
It Is Over
1 year ago

@Mayu, wikipedia has a decent general article on that usage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalism_(historical)

I think in Marxist perception it means people who seem too friendly to capitalism and not seeking the ultimate goal of communism, so what we usually call social democrats these days, and seemingly centering their politics more on social liberalism and individualism than class relations.

But I’ve seen even weird types of libertarians and quasi-fascists use that characterization to own the libs on twitter. The former don’t dislike capitalism and the latter despise aspects of socialism like internationalism despite coopting much of it. So who knows what’s going on these days?!? The internet is a strange place.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

@Mayu the Emotional Support Succubus

also holy shit, ok like if you want evidence someone is one of those marxists who maybe likes authortianans and bigotry a bit to much see if they use the terms radlib or anarcholib, since whos are literly oxymorons, a liberal canot be radical, and a liberal cannot be an anarchist, its like one step above them just going “Those stupid anarchokiddies” and comparing anarchosydiclists to anarchocapitlists

Well, just about the only positive takeaway I’ve seen from the whole normalization of nazi rhetoric online is that I’ve seen considerably fewer people using the word “Feminazi”.

Like seriously, one of the first things the nazis did when they came into power was to burn all research on gender studies, and one of the reasons they were so big on slave labor was because unlike the allies, who’d send women to work in factories replacing all the drafted men, the nazis deemed factory work unfit for aryan women and replaced their drafted factory workers with POWs. Plus soldiers on the eastern front had orders to execute captured female soldiers immediately upon capture (captured nurses and civilians were mostly sent to POW camps, but female soldiers were explicitly killed because female soldiers were deemed unnatural by them). Basically, Nazi ideology is just as misogynist as it’s racist, yet way too many right-wing pundits and trolls still used the word “Feminazi” just because they knew the nazis were the baddies, but didn’t want to examine why they were evil, likewise, they now use terms like radlib or anarcholib just because radicals and anarchists scare them.

Specialffrog
Specialffrog
1 year ago

Surely women can be oppressed by both capitalism and the patriarchy.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Specialffrog

Nonono, don’t you know there is, and always has been, only ONE axis of oppression? All the others are made up by Them in order to prevent people from fighting the One True Oppression. That’s why we need to devote ALL of our efforts to destroying people who fight against Fake Oppression, because that will help the fight against Real Oppression. Somehow.

After all, if there were more than one axis of oppression, forming some sort of, I dunno, KYRIARCHY, then the world would be complicated and my simple, singular Solution To Everything wouldn’t work. And we can’t have THAT.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

She claims to be intelligent, but used “it’s” when she should’ve used “its.”

*offended English major flaps her cape*

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

O/T, but may I pick Mamotheers’ collective brains?

I’ve done an article about defamation law. It’s for an animal rights site; but it might be applicable to activists generally I guess. Its purpose though is just to give people the knowledge to fend off attempts to silence them through threat of defamation proceedings.

People are being really helpful in terms of editing and suggestions; but the one thing they all agree on is I need a snappier title (currently it’s ‘Defamation law for activists’).

Any and all suggestions gratefully received!

ObSidJag
ObSidJag
1 year ago

@occasional reader:
More like “Vomitus Noxious” if you ask me.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

@ All:

Quick, please, I’m confused… can someone find me a post from Aimee that ISN’T a collection of vague insults… PLEASE!!!

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