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Internet babies want Lady Captain Marvel arrested for stealing a motorcycle

By David Futrelle

Captain Marvel has been in theaters for two and a half months now, but the baby men of the internet are still finding excuses to throw tantrums over it.

The latest? An extended scene, posted online, featuring the titular character stealing a motorcycle from a random creep after he patronizingly asks her to smile; instead of punching him or throwing him through a window, like a normal action movie star, she gets her way by squeezing the creep’s hand real hard.

Here’s the scene, which is all of a minute long.

The scene is a clear homage to a similar if much more violent scene in Terminator 2, in which a nude Arnold Schwarzenegger appropriates a motorcycle from a biker after squeezing his hand real hard (and then throwing him onto a hot stove, throwing another guy through a window, and thoroughly beating up a good portion of an ornery looking biker gang).

But the angry dudes (and a few angry gals) of the internet have reacted to Captain Marvel’s too-firm handshake as if Brie Larson — the actress herself, not the character she’s playing — had gone on a crime spree in Los Angeles.

Leading the charge against the motorcycle-stealing superlady? A motley assortment of professional shit-stirrers on the right, including the alt-right adjacent YouTube blabber Tim Pool, video-prankster-turned-joke-congressional-candidate Joey “Salads” Saladino, self-professed debate champion Ben Shapiro, and one of Ben’s employees at his vanity publication the Daily Wire.

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Woah I never saw this clip but damn...

Captain Marvel is a villain. She straight hurts and robs a dude because he was a jerk to her. Thats a villain
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She should be in jail.
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Man, it is so empowering to watch a woman with superpowers physically hurt and then threaten to break a man's hand -- and steal his motorcycle and jacket because he said something rude to her! So empowering! Empowerment!
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Captain Marvel’s response to fairly mild toxic masculinity is to commit multiple felonies (even against people who did nothing to her)

And this is a celebration of feminism?

Schow’s Daily Wire post on the subject is somehow even more embarrassing than her tweets about it. She begins by taking issue with the shorter version of the scene in the film itself, in which the Lady Captain simply steals the bike — no hand-squeezing necessary.

Hooray for feminism! A man creepily asked for a smile, so she commits grand theft auto. That’s not at all a disproportionate or insane response.

But in her mind the extended scene is oh so much worse, turning the superheroine into a supervillain. “Let’s recap,” Schow writes, working herself into high dudgeon.

After a jerk suggested he would help her in a creepy way and asked for a smile, Danvers [Captain Marvel] crushed his hand, carjacked him, took his clothes, and stole items from a nearby clothing store and broke traffic laws. And this is supposed to be a celebration of feminism and rebuke of toxic masculinity?

In the original scene, Danvers committed grand theft auto. In the extended scene, she commits assault, a carjacking, a mugging, shoplifting, and a possible driving felony.

I am shocked — shocked! — to see lawbreaking by the main character in an action movie!

If these, er, “critiques” of Captain Marvel weren’t so obviously in bad faith, I would have to wonder if any of these critics had ever seen an action movie before. Or, indeed, any movie.

The trope of a movie hero or heroine stealing a car — or a truck, or a horse, or a motorcyle, or a spaceship — to get to where they need to go is nearly as old as the movies themselves.

Action movie heroes and heroines break the rules — and the laws — all the time. We don’t go to action movies to see blameless goody-goodies obeying the traffic laws in car chases, or watching and waiting for the police when a villain starts wreaking havoc. We go to see larger-than-life characters beating the crap out of bad guys — and we don’t much care if their violence is sometimes disproportionate, or if there’s a bit of collateral damage (to people, to buildings, to entire cities) along the way.

In the original John Wick movie, for example, the titular hero seeks revenge after some thugs kill his dog — and in the process he manages to kill 77 people. (His body count across all three John Wick films? An even more staggering 299.) Yet we still root for the guy.

Good guy in action

The critics of Captain Marvel’s motorcycle theft are not only forgetting that this is a MOVIE and not real life; they’re also completely ignoring the plot of the film — and the character arc of the air-force-pilot-turned alien-human-hybrid who became Captain Marvel.

When she arrives back on earth at the start of the film – and steals the motorcycle she needs to complete her mission — she’s basically a brainwashed, emotionless killing machine working for a race of aliens called the kree. Over the course of the film she regains some of her humanity. That’s called character development.

As human beings, we’re all flawed, and we like our heroes to be, like us, somewhat less than perfect — because that’s what enables us to relate to them. Our heroes may be reluctant — like Humphrey Bogart’s Rick in Casablanca — or roguish scoundrels with a heart of gold, like Han Solo. They may have a dark side they wrestle with. Sometimes they win this struggle (like Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel); sometimes they lose (Darth Vader, Walter White).

Everyone who goes to movies knows all of this — and is happy to accept these tropes when the flawed hero in question is male. But once it’s a woman in that scuba superhero suit, all of that knowledge seems to drain right out of some men’s (and some women’s) brains.

Some, like the right-wing shitstirrers who helped to gin up this phony controversy in the first place, really do seem to have trouble distinguishing between movies and real life.

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Replying to @usatodaylife @brielarson @RobertKazinsky
Sooooo, Captain Marvel just committed grand theft auto.
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I saw that deleted clip. It's really bad. A cheesy come on tactic is not license to commit assault, and grand theft robbery.
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Captain Marvel should have been arrested. She assault a man who not only didn't harm her, but tried to help her. Even if he flirted with her she still committed a crime.

A number of critics seemed to think the clip reflected a certain sort of rank bigotry directed against males — especially white males, and even more especially against those who like to go around saying crude and patronizing things about (or to) women.

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Well considering the actresses comments about white males, that scene doesnt suprise me.
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If this is toxic masculinity, worthy of assault and robery, then I can only assume Captain Marvel would nuke most high schools, in response to overhearing conversations in the boy’s locker room.

Others demanded a sort of moral blamelessness from Captain Marvel that no one would demand from a male superhero. She’s a terrible role model, they cried. Just think of the children! And the adults! And all of the other superheroes that look up to her!

So whoever wrote this scene thought it was acceptable to teach young girls that it's okay to assault and steal from a man if he acts like an ass? I'm glad this was cut.
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My 7-year-old son was watching with me, and by the end he asked “is she the bad guy?”
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Glad they scrapped this (if that is even the case, since I haven't seen this). This makes her very unlikable. Anyone doing that in real life would (and ought to) get prison time for sure. For a hero, she sets a bad example.

Him: "Smile?"
Her: "Give me your keys, and your bike!"
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Well that's still theft lol. 
Doesn't set a good role model for a super hero.
Unless we're going into the age of superheroes being assholes. You know, to make the subject more "modern".
If the writers are smart they will turn her into the main villain. She has the power I think.

Hate to break it to you, dude, but Superdickery has been a thing since, like, the 1950s, if not earlier.

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This tone deaf response to a guy being a jerk in the #CaptainMarvel movie has made it clear. Ladies, if a man makes ANY overtures that you find unwanted, you are within your rights as women to assault them and steal their property.

Dudes, this is a movie, not a WikiHow video. No one is recommending that women literally steal a motorcycle every time a creep asks them to smile. It’s a fantasy in a film that’s all about fantasy. The scene is funny because it allows women (and men) to indulge a harmless fantasy of taking violent revenge against some of the most irritating men on the planet.

Let’s face it, perfect characters are boring, and make for boring movies. And they’re not good role models either, because no one can truly relate to them. It’s better for girls to see female characters struggle with their flaws than to demand that they emulate someone who’s flawless in every ways — and constantly find themselves coming up short.

But the real issue here isn’t character flaws. If the writers of Captain Marvel had made their central character pure and blameless in every way, angry dudes would be complaining about that too – how come she’s perfect, they would whine, while all the men have flaws?

No, the issue here is the fact that this superhero is a woman that a retrograde internet mob has decided isn’t deferential enough to men. And so they will grab on anything they can in order to make bad faith demands on Marvel and Disney in order to get them to stop making action movies with female leads. There’s no real point in arguing with these people. Just turn to them, like Captain Marvel herself, and ask with a smirk “What, no smile?”

UPDATE: And here’s that line in gif form.

UPDATE 2: Oh, look, it’s Ben Shapiro, who was so indignant about Captain Marvel stealing a motorcycle, applauding the latest John Wick movie, in which Mr. Wink kills 94 dudes:

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M K
M K
1 year ago

Thoughts:

1. Too bad for these crybabies, the scene wasn’t cut out of the movie (as I recall).

2. Remember when Thor yelled and smashed a coffee mug in the middle of a diner? Or Steve Rogers and Natasha committed PDA to distract a guy following them? Or all the other questionable stuff Marvel heroes have done in their respective movies (especially Iron Man, if memory serves)?

3. It’s an action film, I guess the filmmakers thought most of the moviegoers could handle the heroine stealing a motorcycle in between saving the world???

4. The person whose kid asked if Captain Marvel was the bad guy, sounds either too young to be sitting through this movie, or has already been poisoned by their parent’s sexist double standards (see point #2 above).

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
1 year ago

now, if each and every one of these asshats was punched, simply because they are true villains…

i wonder if they would learn anything from that.

I think we should run this experiment.

could do a pretrial run with milkshakes, I suppose.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

They’re pathetic. No other word for them.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

kill his dog

Yet we still root for the guy.

I’m confused as to why there’s a ‘yet’ and ‘still’ in there. I think you spelled ‘so’ wrong.

personalpest
personalpest
1 year ago

The trope of a movie hero or heroine stealing a car — or a truck, or a horse, or a motorcyle, or a spaceship — to get to where they need to go is nearly as old as the movies themselves.

Indeed. TV Tropes calls it Hero Stole My Bike, and their article provides a long list of examples, including Captain Marvel. There’s even a related trope called Flashed-Badge Hijack for when cops commandeer cehicles.

P.S. Just for fun, here’s a list of more action movie franchises with morally questionable and/or bloodthirsty heroes: James Bond, Mad Max, Rambo, Ocean’s Eleven, The Fast and the Furious, Dirty Harry, Lethal Weapon, and Zack Snyder’s DC Universe films. (And that’s just off the top of my head.) I look forward to hearing the critics of Captain Marvel complain about these characters.

epronovost
epronovost
1 year ago

I remember the scene in which Tony Stark travels to Afghanistan in his newly minted power armor to kill about 50 people. I also remember Thor assaulting about 20 US governmental agent to try to retrieve his hammer, probably seriously injuring some of them. These pretty serious crimes. How about Civil War? Half the Avengers commit a serious felony and a huge diplomatic incident. In DC, Superman got bullied by a tuny asshole in a bar and destroyed his truck as an act of petty revenge.

Plus, if I was to be a devil’s lawyer for a second, I would say that Denver was a soldier currently in a theatre of operation to fight a dangerous terrorist menace. It’s legal for her to requisition material from the civilian population to accomplish her objectives and she can use force to do so. In other words, she’s not a criminal unlike the precedent examples.

impudentinfidel
impudentinfidel
1 year ago

So the criticism consists entirely of “I am shocked, SHOCKED, that a character who’s a villain at that stage of the story was not a blameless paragon of virtue.” ?

Gijoel
Gijoel
1 year ago

The manosphere; still pissed at a small comment made years ago by an actress.

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

Man, wait until these guys figure out that vigilantism is itself a crime. Can’t wait to see them demand that literally every Avenger be arrested.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
1 year ago

Let’s not forget how the cast of Ocean’s Eight was asked, in all seriousness, if they were worried that they were encouraging eight year old girls to become criminals.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

My favorite action movie growing up was the mummy and the mummy 2 and they steal a double decker bus in that one.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

We don’t go to action movies to see blameless goody-goodies obeying the traffic laws in car chases

Notable exception of the chase scene in Big Hero 6 😁 (yes, basically all I watch are Disney movies…)

I wonder if these incel/MRA dudes realise that every time they make their stupid criticisms, they inspire another person like me, who usually avoids action films, to go see a movie like this? I think I’ve said before, I only went to see Fury Road because of these jerks. So sort of an own-goal for them…

Sean
Sean
1 year ago

Probably notable that at this point of the story Danvers represents a colonial power that we’re not supposed to completely empathize with. (Note also that she blows up part of a bar when talking to Nick Fury, just to show off her ability to photon blast things, while apparently neither of them care at all? From the Kree perspective, the property damage just doesn’t matter. From a US/SHEILD perspective, they can just buy off the witnesses.)

Kimmy
Kimmy
1 year ago

Using John Wick is a poor example. He’s an assassin and we’re watching him with the expectation of seeing him kill people because they killed his dog. He’s at no point expected to act heroically. He’s an assassin.

We watched Captain Marvel expecting to see a feminist and a hero . Instead, we got an unlikable asshole who is a clear attempt to pander to women’s studies 101 feminists to think feminism means all men are stupid and should be beneath us, not that we should be equals.

She was a poor example of a hero, and a poor example of a feminist. She certainly didn’t benefit us, just provided more fire for the toxic “us vs them” thinking that is keeping feminism from gaining any more support in the first place. It’s embarrassing.

And this article’s some argument is “well other people did it so it’s fine if Captain Marvel does it.” That’s not a counter argument and it hasn’t been since elementary school. If we’re going to get anywhere, she has to be better than asshole “heroes.” That’s the whole point!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

In superhero movies, large portions of entire cities get destroyed in order for the “good” guys to defeat the bad guys. No one bats an eyelash at that. But Captain Marvel steals a motorcycle and it’s the end of the world?

I mean, people got upset at the penultimate Game of Thrones episode and I’m like, what the fuck did you conquering a city looks like? That’s what war is. Innocent people suffer so others can get power. But action movies are all the time shielding us from the consequences of war. But these misogynist assdumplings choose to get heated over a grand theft auto rather than their hero destroying whole cities?

Jeff T
Jeff T
1 year ago

It’s not right when Clark Kent destroys a bully’s semi in Man Of Steel. Likewise, it is not right for Captain Marvel to steal a toxic man’s motorcycle. At least Captain Marvel can be argued that she was still under the effects of brainwashing.

Jeff T
Jeff T
1 year ago

To the writer, please do not hold up an assassin (John Wick) or a murdering robot/cyborg (Terminator) as examples of male heroes. They’re anything but.
A better example is Superman destroying a bully’s semi in the Man of Steel movie. I should also point out that people were also VERY upset at that take of Superman.
This isn’t a matter of violence against white men being frowned upon, it’s about heroes trying to use their power to make the world a better place. Examples of intentional property damage or outright thievery are bad characterizations, regardless of the sex of the hero.

Lou
Lou
1 year ago

What a joke! Both sides of you idiots need to simply STFU and go dry your eyes! You all make me sick.

IT’S A FREAKING MOVIE! Who gives a shit either way. It’s all fake. It’s not real. I don’t go the actions/fantasy movies for a lesson in morals or ethics or sexuality or politics. I just want to see a great movie and if it doesn’t turn out then that just to damn bad. I won’t return to see the sequel, that’s it! All these SJW’S on one side screaming for fairness this and fairness that with the others idiots crying about how unfair the directors and movie writers and film industries are being to the beloved franchise. Give me a damn break here with all this bullshit.

Let me let you all in on a little secret of the universe. NOTHING IN LIFE IS FAIR! But at least if you walk in a theater and see a movie and you like it that’s it then. Like the damn thing and if you didn’t don’t. For GOD’S sake, can we just shut up about all the BS on both sides and just vote with our wallets. Why does everyone think they need to cry to the Internet right away? Same can be said for these bloggers and what use to be newspaper columnist. Cry about what other people are crying about and now you got me doing about the same damn thing!

Dear Lord help this world. We need him fast then ever.

Ben
Ben
1 year ago

I personally don’t understand why you don’t get their point of view. You think a man would get away with this but if a man stole a women’s clothes, car, robbed a store and hurt the women in the process, feminists would be in an uproar. The way you act when you disagree is disgraceful and is the reason toxic femininity exists. Insults widen the gab not bridge it.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Also what’s up with parents taking their children to pg-13 movies then complaining about their children being exposed to things that aren’t for little kids. If you want them to see a little kids movie you take them to the lego movie or toy story 4. If you want to see a pg-13 movie and you have a small child you get a baby sister and then go to it.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

Or the people who are just fine with active shooter drills because kids getting used to the idea that they will be shot at in school is preferable to gun control but think that side characters on Arthur getting same sex married will traumatize children beyond repair.

Forgive the booze induced run on sentence.

Rachel
Rachel
1 year ago

I’ll agree that the Man of Steel example bears some relevance here. At the end of the day, I think the reason people react to this scene is because it’s pretty blatantly over the top and forced. I say this as a a lifelong Marvel fan who REALLY wanted to enjoy Captain Marvel 🙁

I have nothing against using movies as a subtle commentary on thing that you see as problems
with society. But (most) moviegoers aren’t idiots – they know when the commentary takes a front seat at the expense of compelling storytelling and in my opinion, this scene is a shining example of that.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
No worries wwth your words are as fun as ever.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Kimmy

Who is a good example of a feminist hero? I see you comparing Captain Marvel to male heroes and requiring she be better than them, but… where have all the good women gone and where are all the gods? Where’s the streetwise Athena to fight the rising odds?

phi2dao
phi2dao
1 year ago

Wait, that was it? From how everyone was reacting, I was expecting, I don’t know, more than just a threat. Windows breaking, punches being thrown, that always-great moment when the asshole hits the hero and it’s the asshole’s hand that ends up hurting. This was just… bog standard chaotic heroing!

And, though it really doesn’t matter, the guy did more than ask her to smile. After catching Captain Marvel’s attention, and seeing her very clearly indicate that she wasn’t interested, he walked right up to her and, more than just physically invaded her space, actually pushed the map she was holding aside! He might not have deserved having his hand broken (note: his hand is not actually broken) but he definitely deserved something.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
1 year ago

@Big Titty Demon

Isn’t there a white knight upon a fiery steed? Late at night, I toss and I turn, and I dream of what I need.

@David Futrelle

Ah, that explains it. I did wonder.

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

Please. Obviously Carol’s real offense was getting girl cooties all over his stuff.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

Pfft. It’s not like the Major Film Studios© are going to make a big-budget action hero film without a heavy dose of action hero tropes, even if they star women. I mean, I’m sure there are a few exceptions out there, but I haven’t seen any.

However, this is only half of what needs to be done. They’ve done a decent job of lowering some women to men’s level, now they need to raise some men to women’s level, if you’ll pardon my feminism. 😉

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

Pfft. Captain Marvel didn’t do anything that countless male protagonists, even heroes, haven’t done before.

If she’d been a flawless paragon of virtue people would be calling here a Mary Sue…

To all the people clamoring about how horrible it is she stole a man’s bike and squeezed his hand a bit: Get over yourselves, you whining hypocrites!

Male heroes have done a lot worse to women in the history of cinema.

James Bond’s corrective rape and other things come to mind.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

@ Big Titty Demon/Weatherwax

Now you’ve gone and reminded me of Johnny Five chasing the criminal mastermind in Short Circuit 2.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

…Now that I think about it, I’m going to make a mild objection about using the Terminator as an example, but not John Wick. Wick might not be a hero, but he’s a protagonist. The Terminator might arguably be the star of the film, but he’s the main antagonist.

Malitia
Malitia
1 year ago

Snowberry wrote on
May 27, 2019 at 4:14 am:
The Terminator might arguably be the star of the film, but he’s the main antagonist.

The main (Ahnold) Terminator is a hero* in Terminator 2, which is the Terminator movie referenced in the article, and he still pulls this.

* Time-traveling bodyguard for the kid main character.

TwoPiMan
TwoPiMan
1 year ago

At least tge guy was a jerk and she uses the bike to travel somewhere. Minor spoiler for Avengers Endgame, but theres a scene where a male hero smashes up a complete stranger’s car, for absolutely no reason.

This kind of behaviour is a very, very common trope in action movies. There could definately be a legitimate discussion about whether “heroic” characters should behave this way. But of all the rich variety of cases people could choose to highlight, why this one?

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

Right. Okay. I didn’t pay attention to the video, it’s been decades since I’ve seen either film, and I only remember something like that happening in the first one. I’m not even sure if I saw the beginning of the second one; my father had a tendency to play rental videos without telling anyone he rented anything or asking if anyone else wanted to watch, so I missed the beginning of a lot of things.

(Why didn’t he say anything? Because nobody asked. Why can’t I just watch it myself later? Because he rented it, so no one else can touch it, since if anyone else damages it he’s responsible for the charges. He could be rather infuriating to deal with.)

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
1 year ago

In other news, while British politics continues to eat itself, there was some satisfaction to be had in the complete failure of Yaxley-Lennon and Benjamin to get elected to the European Parliament.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/far-right-internet-personalities-europe?origin=shp

Turan, Emissary of the Fly World
Turan, Emissary of the Fly World
1 year ago

Prior to the new John Wick movie, I saw a trailer for a movie called STUBER, in which a policeman commandeers an Uber driver’s car to pursue some bad guys, thereby repeatedly putting the driver into danger of being killed.

So, do you think all the people who have been complaining about CAPTAIN MARVEL are going to be equally as splenetic about this? For that matter, do you think that even one of them will post something even mildly critical of it?

Alexandra
Alexandra
1 year ago

Ah, yes. Female characters have to be absolutely perfect. But male characters, ah, Kimmy, they are fine. You only pipe up when female characters behave better than male ones, but still not perfect enough.

Of course, you also pipe up IF they are then portrayed as perfect, because in THOSE case, you screech “Mary Sue”. Always an excuse to hate female characters.

And, naturally, you’re intentionally ignoring the context of the scene, where her not behaving perfectly is even PART OF THE POINT and her whole character arc.

People screeching about female characters do not seem to be very good at media literacy, for some reason. Almost as if that is part of why their comments are dripping with misogyny…

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

Wait, you mean to tell me that the literal Kree mind-slave, indoctrinated into a culture of stoicism an brutality comes off a tad inhumane? Gee, it’s almost as if we’re not really supposed to like what she is at this point and root for Carol rejecting and overcoming that indoctrination in the last 3rd of the film.
(though accepting US Airforce indoctrination is only marginally better)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

@Snowberry – Geez, that’s awful. Sorry you had to deal with that.

In, like, 99.99% of movies ever made, if the protagonists just sat still, asked authority for permission, and obeyed the rules, nothing would ever happen. Films tap into people’s anger that “the system” doesn’t protect the little guy, and that the most effective way to get justice is to take matters into your own hands.

It’s interesting how, as soon as the narrative centers a woman, suddenly the manosphere becomes very, very focused on the periphery. She becomes a blind spot in the middle, of lesser importance than the surrounding men. We saw that a few weeks ago when a female scientist became the public face of the black hole images and everyone was all BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TEAM.

The average action movie has a ton of incidental carnage and body counts. It’s funny to see how all of a sudden these guys are Extremely Concerned about the humanity of the background NPCs and the property damage, much more so than they are about Captain Marvel’s safety. Seems like what they’re really angry about is being asked to relate to a hero that doesn’t resemble them. Oh, and that this scene might teach women and girls to have boundaries and enforce them.

@Lou

All these SJW’S on one side screaming for fairness this and fairness that with the others idiots crying about how unfair the directors and movie writers and film industries are being to the beloved franchise. Give me a damn break here with all this bullshit

You forgot “both-siders with superior attitudes pretending to be neutral, but who always secretly side with the status quo”. Our debate was incomplete until you showed up to smugly insult everybody as losers for caring about things. Your brave stand certainly cleared things up.

Clifton Robinson
Clifton Robinson
1 year ago

Well to be fair, in Terminator 2, the guy burned him with a cigarette and then he crushed his hand. Then the gang started to attack him. And then he threw everyone around. He’s also called a Terminator so I wouldn’t compare a literal killing machine to a super hero.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

Hey Manosphere!! You have now officially become Walter Peck. Aren’t you proud?

Harley Quinn
Harley Quinn
1 year ago

So it’s ok for a guy superhero like wolverine to beat up a jerk and steals his stuff….but its not ok when a brain washed felame kree soldier on a mission intimidates and steals from a guy? She isn’t even a “superhero” during that part of the movie yet she is a brain washed kree soldier.

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

@Kimmy
You want to see the character at their best when all negative traits are gone and she can truly spread her wings?
Then don’t watch the origin movie, wait for part two! That’s how Marvel movies work: The origin is always about them rising.

Joaquín
Joaquín
1 year ago

I knew that Captain Marvel was a piece of feminist shit. At least they could have made her beat a gang of bikers, like good ol’ Arnie. But it seems it was too much to handle for a feminist hero. She could have broken a fingernail, seriously!

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

Captain Marvel stealing a vehicle means she is a villain. Real heroes like Captain America would NEVER steal someone else’s vehicle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUYLVaIUEM

Well, MCU Captain America would NEVER steal someone else’s vehicle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESEFrhI9sQ

Okay, but what about the (deleted) scene where Captain Marvel uses her superpowers to crush the guy’s hand? REAL heroes like Superman would NEVER crush a powerless person’s hand and then assault them, say by throwing them into an icy chasm never to be seen again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0

Um… what was I saying?

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

The thing is, the absurdity of these guys’ premise can be seen… by watching the damn film. IMO Captain Marvel was not feminist so much as it was anti-imperialist— unless we re-define “feminist film” to mean any movie where the gender of the female characters goes largely unremarked-upon and their competence is taken for granted¹. I suppose (if one were so inclined) that one could read Carol Danvers’s awakening and opposition to the Kree and their oppressive actions as some kind of metaphor for “woman gets woke, discovers the patriarchy” thing but that’s a reach if you ask me. These guys are so determined to see feminists under the dubiously-stained mattresses of their beds that any film that isn’t actual pornography that features a woman is “feminist” to them now.

This .gif though 😚👌
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¹ Yeah, we are, aren’t we? ☹️

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
1 year ago

Kimmy, are you saying that feminists have to both be better than men, but make sure we never presume to be treated as though we are better than men?

I think you may need to do some foundation reading. Your understanding of the basics appear to be skewed, almost as if you’d gotten them from some Chan meme or somewhere.

JenniferAndLightning
JenniferAndLightning
1 year ago

@ Kimmy, even though you are probably long gone.

I understand that to succeed, women often have to work twice as hard and be twice as good as their male counterparts. That’s not feminism.That’s patriarchy.

Captain Marvel doesn’t need to be better than male heroes. In fact, I don’t want her to be better than male heroes. I want her to be a flawed and complicated person, just like male action heroes get to be flawed and complicated people and just like all of us are flawed and complicated people.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Weatherwax:

In other news, while British politics continues to eat itself, there was some satisfaction to be had in the complete failure of Yaxley-Lennon and Benjamin to get elected to the European Parliament.

On the other hand: the Tories will now tack even further right, to reclaim votes from Farage; Labour are an ineffectual shambles; and voter turnout was abysmal, with less than one in four eligible voters in Hull bothering to get off their arses, and (I think) no part of the country reaching 50%. Even Lord Buckethead is in trouble. There’s very little to celebrate.

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