By David Futrelle
In his memoir, Then It Fell Apart, published earlier this month, former rave superstar Moby tells the story of what he says was a brief and bittersweet relationship he had with actress Natalie Portman in 1999 when he “was thirty-three and she was twenty.”
But his story is, well, falling apart. Portman, in a new interview with Harper’s Bazaar, points out that Moby is either misremembering or flat-out lying about her age at the time. She wasn’t twenty; she was eighteen — something that a quick Google search will confirm.
And she says there was no relationship. As she told Harper’s Bazaar:
I was surprised to hear that he characterised the very short time that I knew him as dating because my recollection is a much older man being creepy with me when I just had graduated high school.
Her memory of their “relationship?”
āI was a fan and went to one of his shows when I had just graduated,ā she said. āWhen we met after the show, he said, āletās be friendsā. He was on tour and I was working, shooting a film, so we only hung out a handful of times before I realised that this was an older man who was interested in me in a way that felt inappropriate.
Portman is understandably annoyed by Moby’s, er, mistake about her age and his publisher’s failure to check this basic fact:
He said I was 20; I definitely wasnāt. I was a teenager. I had just turned 18. There was no fact checking from him or his publisher ā it almost feels deliberate. That he used this story to sell his book was very disturbing to me. It wasnāt the case. There are many factual errors and inventions. I would have liked him or his publisher to reach out to fact check.
My own cursory fact-checking of Moby’s account reveals it to be full of holes.
According to Moby, the two met backstage after he played a show for an audience of several hundred in Austin in 1999; as he tells the tale, he was starstruck to meet a real movie star, and even more surprised when she gushed over his music like, well, a recent graduate from high school.
āI loved it!ā she said. She was wearing jeans and a white T-shirt; her dark-brown hair was pulled back in a ponytail. āThe songs from Play were so great.ā Natalie sat on the black leather couch and smiled at me. My heart stuttered.
I would bet ten billion dollars that this is not how it went down.
He was, he says, stunned again when, according to him, she proposed meeting up again in New York a few days later.
This was confusing. I was a bald binge drinker who lived in an apartment that smelled like mildew and old bricks, and Natalie Portman was a beautiful movie star. But here she was in my dressing room, flirting with me.
Several days later, he recounts, she met up with him after MTV’s Music Video Awards, where once again she took charge, ushering the somewhat befuddled DJ/musician into her limo like a seasoned Hollywood pro.
I was thirty-three and she was twenty, but this was her world. I was comfortable in dive bars and strip clubs and vegan restaurants, but I knew nothing about award shows and red carpets.
I’m going to stop right now because there are several big problems with his story so far. A Google search shows that the only show Moby played in Austin in 1999 was on August 20. The Video Music Awards didn’t take place a few days later; they took place three weeks later, on September 9th,Ā twoĀ daysĀ beforeĀ MobyĀ turnedĀ 34.
In a later chapter of his memoir, Moby tells another story about Portman that suggests a slightly more intimate relationship. As he recounts, he met up with Portman again after an outdoor show in Boston.
I took a taxi to Cambridge to meet Natalie. We held hands and wandered around Harvard, kissing under the centuries-old oak trees. At midnight she brought me to her dorm room and we lay down next to each other on her small bed. After she fell asleep I carefully extracted myself from her arms and took a taxi back to my hotel.
The story’s placement in the book suggests that it happened sometime after the VMAs — which took place, you recall, in September — but as best as I can tell, the only outdoor show Moby played in Boston that year was on August 26. And while I wan’t able to find Harvard’s academic calendar for 1999-2000, Harvard currently doesn’t start the Fall semester until September. Maybe Harvard’s schedule has changed since 1999, or maybe he’s misremembering again.
In any case, if the dorms were open on August 26 1999, and Moby did pay Portman a visit that night, the 33-year-old would have been canoodling with a brand-new college Freshman at the very start of her college career. Which is, I need hardly add, creepy as fuck.
That’s pretty much the extent of the “relationship” Moby had with Portman, at least according to his account. “For a few weeks I had tried to be Natalieās boyfriend, but it hadnāt worked out,” he declares, several chapters later, informing his readers that she had broken up with him over the phone, saying she’d met someone else.
I should point out that while there are many points of confusion in Moby’s story — particularly it’s unstuck-in-time quality — there’s nothing in his account that really contradicts Portman’s version of events — that they “only hung out a handful of times before I realised that this was an older man who was interested in me in a way that felt inappropriate.”
The romantic, late-night makeout session he remembers so fondly? She seems to have experienced it as a “much older man being creepy with me.” They both may be accurately remembering what the experience was to them; he may just have been oblivious to how not into it she was. Or maybe he knew, and just didn’t care.
What’s really astonishing to me about Moby’s stories of the two together — and you can read more of them in the extended excerpts from his memoir published by Entertainment Weekly — is his attempt to portray the then-18-year-old Portman as the smooth, sophisticated Hollywood veteran who instigated the alleged affair, with him as a naive and innocent outsider virtually hypnotized by her fame and beauty. Never mind that he was nearly twice her age, a professional musician who at that point had been DJing and performing music live for more than a decade; by the end of the 1990s he was headlining tours and getting massive exposure on MTV.
I’m not buying his aw-shucks act, and the effort he makes to push this particular narrative suggest to me that he was well aware he was the creepy older dude in his interactions with Portman.
And Moby still seems to be lying to himself, and to the rest of us, about what happened in those days. After Portman’s interview came out, he posted a statement on Instagram defending his version of events — without correcting or even admitting to any of his errors.
I Ā recently read a gossip piece wherein Natalie Portman said that weād never dated. This confused me, as we did, in fact, date. And after briefly dating in 1999 we remained friends for years.
She may have been polite to you, dude, but I’m not sure you were ever really friends.
I like Natalie, and I respect her intelligence and activism. But, to be honest, I canāt figure out why she would actively misrepresent the truth about our(albeit brief)involvement. The story as laid out in my book Then It Fell Apart is accurate, with lots of corroborating photo evidence, etc.Ā …
Ps I completely respect Natalieās possible regret in dating me(to be fair, I would probably regret dating me, too), but it doesnāt alter the actual facts of our brief romantic history
To back up his recollections, he posted one piece of “corroborating photo evidence” to his Instagram post that doesn’t really corroborate his account at all — the picture I used at the top of the post.
Take a look at it again. It doesn’t look like a picture of a happy couple in the first flush of a romance. It looks like a creepy old dude with his hand on the shoulder of a much younger woman, her face frozen in the sort of uncomfortable smile women learn to put on when faced with a man overstepping his boundaries.
It reminds me a little of this famous picture of Bob Packwood — who resigned from the Senate in 1995 after a string of accusations of sexual harassment and assault — and a similarly smiling similarly uncomfortable younger woman.
Moby is not someone with a good understanding of boundaries, to put it mildly. Elsewhere in his memoir he boasts about rubbing his flaccid penis against an oblivious (and fully clothed) Donald Trump — long before he was president — at a party, as part of a game he and his pals called “knob touch.”
I can’t help but wonder if there are more gross stories about Moby waiting to come out.
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So the dude isn’t even gonna admit that he got her age wrong?
Moby’s Dick and the Great White Fail.
Had a guy do that to me on a stair way on campus. Though it was an erected penis. It’s called Frotteur apparently. When the cop told me that I was really upset by the fact that this happens so often that they need to have a word for it.
Damn. The Bob Packwood and the Moby stories are similar in more than one way: Moby is passionate about animal rights, and Packwood, despite being a Republican, was known to vote for women’s rights and he voted against Clarence Thomas’s nomination to the Supreme Court.
Sigh.
Thank you. I finally understand why people lol @ Moby.
Yuck
Dudes on Twitter were mansplaining about how Portman doesn’t look uncomfortable at all in that picture, even though the women all recognized that face for what it so obviously is.
Oh yeah, she only looks like she rather be touching a slug then him. And she’s standing like a foot away from him instead of pressed against him like you do to an actual boyfriend whom you want to touch you.
I remember how magazines wrote about how sexy Natalie Portman was right after she got famous with Leon, and was only 13 years old… Ugh. It must have been so weird and hard for her to be a teenage celebrity.
Chances are alcohol wasn’t the only substance he was abusing.
And substance abuse can fuck up your memory.
Not that human memory is all that great to begin with.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was convinced that things happened the way he remembers.
Probably fueled a lot by wishful thinking.
Show of hands: Who else has been chatted up by a creepy dude way before they were 18?
I was 12…
@Knitting Cat Lady
And his case would be one of the milder ones. I’ve heard in some rare cases alcohol abuse can cause something called Korsakoff’s Syndrome- nasty thing, basically erases not only a large chunk of your existing memory but also the ability to form new memories too.
In any case, Moby here is probably letting his imagination get the better of him even if it’s not just the booze and drugs eating away at his brain.
Oh, we had this kind of phantasmagorical “relationship” in France too, when the former President Valery Giscard d’Estaing had written in a book that he had an affair with Lady Diana (she was more than 18 at this time, though).
Some people seem so eager to pretend they had “something” with a celebrity that this is close to mythomany (they wish they could have, maybe, and just state it like a bad fanfiction ?), and it is creepy, of course.
For those who wonder, it was false, obviously, he even stated it himself some times later after his book was published. But is it ok for real people to publish their sexual fantasies (even with no really explicit details) about other real people without their consent (especially as she was already dead at this time) ?
N.B. : did Moby grabbed Trumpy by the willy ?
I could have gone without knowing that trump story.
So, Trump has had someone famous push his genitals against him without asking? Obviously poor behaviour on Moby’s part but kind of pleasing nonetheless.
Oh dear – I thought he was one of the good guys.
Regarding the Trump thing, I’m reminded of the claim about David Cameron and the pig’s head. Inappropriate use of tools, (by tools.)
@Ellesar This is… not great, but it barely registers compared to a lot of what we have seen on this blog. 33/18 has some creep potential but it’s legal and there’s such a clear lack of the relationship moving into a sexual stage that the status of the relationship is ambiguous and disputed.
If one half of a “couple” says they were couple and the other does not they never even got to the “what are we?” stage of the relationship and you can chalk a lot up to crossed signals.
This MIGHT be the thin edge of the wedge on Moby, and we might hear more damning stories someday but until this hypothetical scandal surfaces this is such a lame, tame “celebrity couple story” that it wouldn’t even make the cut for the National Enquirer.
I read this as older guy creeped on young woman, saw what he wanted to see, i.e. that she was totally into him, and convinced himself that there was a relationship when there wasn’t one.
Considering the memory problems substance abuse brings and that much of his story seems to be made up out of whole cloth I’d go with Portman’s version of events.
Especially since he seems to conflate her public persona NOW with whoever she was back then.
Back then she was a teen actress who met a star she admired…
And Moby describes himself as this wide eyed naive unknown guy who is introduced to the glamours of the world by Portman.
Pull the other one, Moby, it’s got bells on.
Man that is just so sad Moby. Sad as in pathetic.
@Lainy
Cops were the first ones to use it – in France, back in the 1880s. It’s a very well known paraphilia – been in every version of the DSM and at least one of the precursors.
Doesn’t mean it’s not a creepy and disgusting (not to mention cowardly) act of dominance for sexual pleasure. See the sods on the tube sometimes. Usually stomp on their feet if I notice them getting off. Hey, it’s crowded, right? Same excuse they use, so how they gonna argue?
Even if it were a consensual relationship, making such a big deal out of something that clearly only lasted a very short time nearly two decades after the fact just comes across as desperate and insecure. “I dated Natalie Portman! I totes did!” Dude: you’ve sold millions of records; you couldn’t turn on a radio or TV in the late 90s without hearing a track from Play so why is it so important to your ego that we have to know about this now? Has all the ribbing about your vegan lifestyle and intellectual posturing you’ve endured down the years so gotten under your skin that you need to scream, “no! I’m a real rock ‘n’ roller, me!” in public? Times have changed, my man. People look much more askance now at musicians and other celebrities skeeving on teens– just ask all those rounded up in the UK in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal…
@Fenton
That’s a hell of a take. I’m guessing you’re pretty damn creepy yourself.
P.S. if the best defense you have for a behavior is, “it’s not technically illegal” then it’s a pretty fucking shitty behavior.
Addendum to the above: I quite like Moby’s music but my respect for him as a person was diminished somewhat when he appeared on an episode of MTV’s Cribs where he was all like, “look! I have books! Bet you don’t see many of them on this show heh heh”. You arrogant, classist shite, Moby. He strikes me as the kind of person who wants all the trappings of celebrity (including the young, hot famous girlfriend, it seems) while simultaneously being able to pretend he’s above all that.
@Knitting Cat Lady
Agreed. I look at that photo, and I see a young woman who is being polite, in the sense that she doesn’t want to raise a stink in public or embarrass anybody. The kind of young woman who thinks, “I can put up with this, for a time.”
Fenton,
Are you a man? Because there seems to be big gender divide on how this story is reacted to.
Women all relate to this. We’ve all been creeped on by older men when we were young. Usually starting before age 18 and tapering off in the early 20s. It’s part of lives and not a pleasant thing. Contrary to popular belief, teenage girls are not born knowing how to fend off men we aren’t interested in. They aren’t seductive and manipulative vixens. This kind of shit is so uncomfortable.
Men on the other, seem to largely see nothing wrong with this. She was legal, she doesn’t look uncomfortable, who can blame him, she’s hot. And so on.
This kind of attitude completely props up rape culture. Too many view it as some sort of sacred right that they should be able to push right up against the boundaries of acceptable behavior with women and girls. As long as it’s not illegal, we have no place complaining and trying to ruin the poor man’s reputation. Well, when the attitude is that it’s fine to push, come on too strong and test boundaries to see what women will let you get away with, it’s not a big leap from creepy faux clueless behavior to sexual assault.
I’m not saying Moby ever has committed result. Not saying he should be thrown in jail. Or that his career needs to be over. Just, would it kill people to recognize creepy behavior in men and stop excusing it. Is it so hard to listen to women when we say it’s not okay for older men to creep on young women because they are almost universally bothered by it?
Perhaps tellingly, the same song from whence came his book title, Extreme Ways, also contains the lines:
That’s right, Moby. We can’t even believe.