By David Futrelle
MGTOWs, like many in the manosphere, have adopted the “red pill” as their favorite metaphor for what it’s like to see the alleged hard truths about women through their misogynistic eyes. But one MGTOW Redditor recently reached back further in film history than The Matrix to describe what he feels it’s like to look at women through the lens of MGTOW.
“Anyone remember … John Carpenter’s movie [They Live]?” asked the MGTOW Redditor known as Lanjane.
When a common guy finds a special glasses which allow him to see what “the real” world look like. And to see that part of humans around him are not actually humans, but ugly aliens with faces like skulls and teeth like weird deep fishes have.
If you haven’t seen the film, this clip will give you the basic idea, at least if you watch all the way to the end:
Well, that’s what Lanjane says his life is like now that he’s wearing MGTOW glasses.
That’s exactly what is happening to me since I swallowed Red Pill. I look at beautiful woman and don’t notice her beauty, but instead I notice all those small details revealing her true nature; like tattoos on her neck … piercing on her belly button, her vicious smile and other signs of what an elite slut she is, and that is sometimes so disgusting that I even can’t stand near such ‘common women’ when using public transport, can’t seat near them without a feeling of an urgency to step back, go to another [car] or leave out.
Dude, you’re freaking me out a little. It would be one thing if you actually lived inside a science fiction movie in which all women were secretly aliens. But this is not a healthy way to react to other human beings.
Lanjane then traveled even further back in science fiction history, switching up his metaphors to some that are less John-Carpenter-ish than Lovecraftian.
I don’t hate them, I just feel the same as if faced a snake or toxic toad. Disgust, and an urgent need to just pass by as quickly as possible, avoid, avoid, avoid.
I kind of think maybe you do hate them. Just a wild guess.
Much worse, if such [a] being near you opens her mouth talking by phone or not; especially if talking to another toad like her, joking about their last night in the club, or recent sex events, or shopping or travels.
And then we’re back to They Live.
So I look at such women and feel myself like that man from “They live” movie… Although he could remove his glasses, and I can’t.
Actually, you could, if you were to simply recognize “red pill” ideology as the complete bullshit it is.
And sometimes you can’t just avoid such women because they are your colleagues at work. And you have to hear their dirty, foul laughs behind you, their vicious voices, to see their absolutely confident, imprudent look of a well-fed, well-fucked animal who feels to have all the cream and joy in life.
Goddamn, dude, you’re truly as fucked up as any incel.
I see how they prevail in this world, see through them how corrupted and sick this world is.
Here’s a picture of Donald Trump’s signing a global “gag rule” that prohibits international organizations getting any funding from the US government from even mentioning abortion.
And here are some of the people Trump consulted with about a healthcare bill gutting maternity care.
What I’m saying is that I don’t think women — whether they’re secretly aliens or not — are exactly “prevailing” at this particular point in history.
Lanjane continued:
It’s overwhelming and painful to have such point of view on this world. Sometimes I want to raise my head and cry, cry to the heavens that I have to live in the world like this.
Not only do you not have to live in a world like this, you actually don’t live in a world like this. All of this is just bullshit in your head. You’re the one in the matrix.
Especially when I remember my parents and my neighbours, who were honest, good people, with hard, but somewhat rewarding life of old ways, who sticked with one partner for an entire life – and strangely enough in this sick world – had happy families, from one of which I am.
Those “happy families” weren’t as happy as you thought. That’s why feminism arose in the first place.
I left my last toxic “long term relationships” just half of a year ago, completely ruined and knackered. And while reading MGTOW posts and comments, I was able to partially recover, to realize how pathetic were my tries to just have a good humble life my relatives live. It’s impossible, the world has changed.
You had a bad relationship, or maybe more than one. Most people, at some point in their lives, have bad relationships. Your bad relationship doesn’t mean that all women are secret space alien toad-snakes.
I have to move on …
Yes, yes you do.
… but first steps are so painful guys. So painful to leave illusions you used to have for an entire life, and to see harpies around you instead of good honest girls you have looked for before.
They’re not “harpies,” dude. They’re people like me and you. Some of them are assholes, sure, but trust me, some men are assholes too. Like, for example, every single man in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, the group you’re now choosing to be a part of.
To have a MGTOW glasses you cannot remove after you first put them on. And to see that They Live.
Again, you absolutely can take them off any time you want. They don’t allow you to see the world more clearly. They distort the world, making other human beings look less than human in your eyes.
P. S. > Sorry for possible mistakes, English is not my native language, but I tried my best. And thank you for this community, for this hospital of truth.
If the MGTOW subreddit is any kind of hospital, it’s the kind that gives everyone who enters it a metaphorical staph infection.
Naturally, the regulars on the MGTOW subreddit responded to Lanjane’s post like the rational, mature, not-completely-mansterical men they are.
“It get‘s only worse as time goes by,” wrote someone called ImmortanV8.
As soon as the fear from societies sanctions was lifted in modern times, female ego‘s began to go rampant. We are witnessing the end of modern societies right in front of our eyes. Only divine intervention can save humanity, and I expect it to come crushing down with an iron fist. Nature is build on balance, and that pendulum will swing back hard
Someone called HorusEyeDrops agreed:
There’s actually orgies, mass legalized rape of children (by women), normalized sexuality of every destructive shade, blurring of science, and fact, destruction of meritocracy in favor of communism …
You reap what you sow, and millions of people are sowing shit.
DarthSchadenfreude added:
Innate female behavior of hypergamy and monkey-branching [i.e. dumping your partner for a better one] should not be encouraged in a civilized society, but that is exactly what happened in the 60’s and 70’s with no fault divorce laws and entitlement programs.
Modern society is in a death spiral. When it finally implodes, the producers will produce only for themselves, and the eaters will all starve.
What a healthy, happy, soul-nourishing place the MGTOW subreddit is!
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As luck would have it, I own a copy of They Live. It’s not a “red pill” movie, unless you’re talking about the glasses as a visual metaphor for seeing through the illusions of capitalism. It’s not an antifeminist or anti-“globalist” film, it’s an anti-CAPITALIST film.
As usual, these migtoes strain to make a point, stretch, flail…and fall smack on their asses, having failed to make any point except that they can’t parse a quite transparent film for shit.
That’s some mullet on the actor in the film clip!
This is the same film Zizek used in his “Pervert’s Guide to Ideology” to illustrate “ideology.”
From the same Reddit discussion:
Damn. Good thing his buddy listened to him.
The self indoctrination is strong in this one.
All these guys from the manuresphere not realising that they are the problem, not women.
One might feel sorry for them if they weren’t such colossal assholes.
@Kat
She sounds awesome. And a neon green jacket totally does go with fishnets.
I do not understand this bizarre obsession MGTOWs have with punk/goth/scene/subculture women.
They Live has been attracting some shitty people to it lately. A while back John Carpenter had to denounce neo-Nazis reading antisemetic messages into it. Unfortunately, I can see how they can rationalize that: aliens that blend in hijack the system and control it with greed and media with the aid of collaborators. It accidentally is similar to what The Protocols of the Elders Zion claims. Someone on TV Tropes put forth an interesting potential subversion where the aliens themselves turn out to be manipulated by the richest people on Earth as a way to lessen antisemetic connotations.
@Susan:
I wouldn’t call Roddy Piper an actor, at least for his work in They Live. I know he has his fans, but I spent the whole movie thinking “Kurt Russell would have been so much better than this amiable lunk”.
Well they certainly have over active imaginations don’t they. Honestly it’s cute in 5 year old to have imagination and fantasy worlds inside their own little bubble. With grown men its just really really sad. I work with five years old as well. One spent 10 minutes talking to me about how she names the vegetables on her dinner plate and pretends their little children and that she’s a monster that eats children so she has full on conversation with the carrot and gives it a back story.
Sort of like how I used to name the towels in the washing machine and make up with towel was married to which towel and then the towels would give long teary good byes to their lover towel as the water rose and they slowly drowned. The sad different between this is these are grown men who can’t tell reality from the fantasy bullshit in their own head.
Can someone explain the concept of “manure” to this strapping young buck?
@Kat:
Guy sounds like a Red Pill Sherlock. Wouldn’t want to hear what he says about Irene Adler.
@bakunin
I think their obsession with goth/punk subculture is because their attracted to us but we don’t look like what they think they should be attracted to so they have to get pissed at it.
“I feel the urge to stick my dick in this chick but she has a peircing or tattoo or is wearing something the pretty cheerleaders that wouldn’t give me the time of day would never wear! So why am I attracted to her. Grrrr must be some woman trick”
Is how I imagine their one half of a brain trying to cope.
Is it me or does it read like this guy is in danger of going way past straightforward misogyny into actual delusional hallucinations? The hope, I suppose, is he is exaggerating for effect, but, if not, is he going to start thinking his weird comparison with “They LIve” is actually real? (And I can’t imagine MGTOW encouragement is going to be a help in this regard.)
I have to admit that MGTOWs and their likes scare me a lot.
@Anne
Me to sugar. Knowing that people like this live in their world, there is a reason I don’t leave the house without at least 3 weapons on me.
I’m beginning to think Raccona Sheldon (aka James Tiptree, Jr., aka Alice Sheldon) was wrong when writing “The Screwfly Solution.” It doesn’t take aliens hunting for real estate. All it takes is enough misogynists with political power and boom. Hunting season declared on women.
That’s why these people voted for Trump. They wanted someone to oppress the rest of us. They didn’t think he’d oppress them, too.
> Moggie
The sleuth would say slut ?
O/T: barf bags at the ready: 50yo “sugar Daddy” claims women his age are “tainted by life” ? ? ?
Way to take exactly the wrong message away from They Live. John Carpenter deserves better.
It makes me sad that the worst people are trying to appropriate They Live. It’s such a good movie.
With authoritarianism rising all over the world, and the accompanying reduction to women’s rights, it’s amazing that the manosphere is still trying to claim that we’re the privileged gender. I mean, US states aren’t just starting to outlaw abortion, but criminalize it, and whiny men are still going on about erotic capital and identity politics and how men are so oppressed by women not having sex with that they’re justified in committing mass murder. Not that I really, truly expect different.
@weirwoodtreehugger: Fight Club, The Matrix, now They Live: these Really Smart™ individuals have a long and ridiculous history of Not Getting It.
I mean, They Live isn’t exactly subtle about its message. It takes a special level of stupid to miss the point.
To paraphrase Upton Sinclair, it is difficult to get a man to pick up on a message if his continued blindness to his own privilege depends on him not picking up on it.
DarthSchadenfreude added:
well, at least we agree on SOMETHING…
@Fujimoto:
I think the Sequential Art webcomic did a riff in which John Carpenter and James Cameron were also aliens from a different planet and the whole reason the glasses got ‘loose’ was basically to recruit patsies for a proxy war between the two groups of aliens. Done in a more lightly comedic style, ending with the main character pretty much throwing the glasses away and saying ‘I am so done with this.’