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The “women don’t enjoy sex” dudes aren’t just owning themselves. They’re using the #SexStrike to push regressive ideas about women

Reports indicate that some women do in fact like sex

By David Futrelle

There are a lot of guys out there who think that women generally don’t enjoy sex. But it’s rare for guys to say this out loud, because they’re afraid of the obvious retort: “Maybe they just don’t enjoy sex with you!”

But apparently Alyssa Milano’s misguided proposal for a #SexStrike has given more than a few men the nudge they needed to stand up and spout nonsense like this:

Scott Gurstein‏ @PLAINSCOTT
 
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Michelle, please stop before you say something that ruins your credibility. Women may CLAIM to like sex, but you really don't.  You TOLERATE it under LIMITED circumstances and during limited time frames.  That's nature's design.  Please be honest now.

Aw yeah, fellow straight dudes, don’t you just love that moment during really great sex when she’s checking her messages and whispering “how much longer is this going to take, jesus fucking christ.”

Oh, but Scott wasn’t the only one telling the women of the world that, actually. they hate sex.

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Women don’t enjoy sex enough to miss giving it up #SexStrike
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The #SexStrike has already been in progress for decades

That’s not a sex strike, dude; it’s just a really, really, really long dry spell.

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Women don’t like sex anyway, that’s why they have pets.

I’m hoping Melvin here isn’t suggesting what I think he’s suggesting, because we already hear too much of that crap from incel forums.

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In my experience 90% of women seem to use sex to get what they want. The #SexStrike is just more of the same. Prostitutes gonna barter with their bodies. Are there any women who just enjoy sex, and don’t leverage it to get stuff?

DMs are closed— I’m married.

And what a lucky woman his alleged wife must be! (Especially since, according to his recent Twitter timeline, he also believes that Martin Luther King Jr. — MLK — was somehow part of an insidious Jewish plot involving the god Moloch.)

Michael S
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Don’t tip your hand Alyssa or men will find out that women don’t like sex, then what? The whole house of cards will come tumbling down.

Wait, I thought House of Cards came tumbling down because the dude playing Frank Underwood couldn’t stop sexually assaulting dudes.

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The #SexStrike proves that sex is only a commodity for women. They obviously don’t value it that much if they think some silly strike is going to work.

Hate to break it to you, dude, but not many women besides Alyssa Milano seem to think a sex strike is a good idea or that it would work.

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The #SexStrike proves that sex is only a commodity for women. They obviously don’t value it that much if they think some silly strike is going to work.

Can someone tell me what brought this on? It’s not another “autonomy for out bodies” shit again, is it?

That sounds … familiar. Do I smell a sockpuppet — or some sort of semi-organized MGTOW propaganda campaign?

In fact, a lot of the guys spouting the “women don’t like sex” line — including Scott, way up at the top — are connected in some way with the Men Going Their Own Way movement, or with the “Red Pill” movement more generally, and, like these last two cut-and-paste tweeters, they’re citing the #SexStrike as proof that women are evil manipulators who use sex to get what they want from men.

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Of course women like you, like the idea of a #SexStrike .  Women have been using the withholding of sex for the purpose of coercive control for centuries.

Your vagina is not the prize
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The #SexStrike is a perfect example of how women use sex as a tool of coercive control and intimate partner violence.

Not having sex is violence!?

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So, you ADMIT that women use SEX and their bodies to control men, and to get what they want.

Thank you for clarifying that.  To all my female friends who got insulted and called me crazy when I said this, see here for proof of my claims.

Thanks @Alyssa_Milano !!

#SexStrike
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The #SexStrike thing isn’t new. Withholding sex until you get the desired results. We see it all the time, this is nothing new (except that this is funny)...
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Another great excuse to deny sex to the men women don't desire but exploit under the pretense of having a relationship. Still some wonder why #MGTOW is on the rise.

But it wasn’t just angry MGTOWs and other male regressives who jumped aboard this train; some women used the #SexStrike to push their own backwards notions about feminism and feminists.

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Man bashers unite! A lot of these women don't like sex anyway. They ain't sacrificing. They have a bullshit reason to really let that leg hair grow wild now.
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#Sexstrike proves what I thought of "feminism" as a little girl, it is a movement for political dominance over weak men. First- you have to weaken men.  The Feminist movement is the greatest #Gaslighting Hoax on all of Humanity.  #MAGA and #QAnon News

The fact that the #SexStrike can be so easily used as “proof” of assorted antifeminist and outright misogynst notions makes pretty clear why so many feminists are opposed to it: not only does it reinforce some pretty toxic ideas about female sexuality; it also just makes no damn sense logistically.

So far nothing I’ve seen captures the absurdity of the idea better than this video, so I’m just going to stop writing here and you can hit play:

NOTE: There was another “as a man I can tell you women hate sex” tweet going around that you may have seen; I’ve left it out of this post because it was evidently from a troll or an impersonator account. All the rest of the tweets I’ve featured seem to be utterly sincere, except of course for Eva’s.

H/T — Thanks to Talia Lavin, who posted screenshots of a couple of these tweets on Twitter.

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Bina
1 year ago

Nice of all these wankers to say (in more words than really necessary) that they’re unworthy douchecanoes and deserve nothing but to be avoided forever.

Even Mr. “DMs are closed — I’m married” (surrrrrrre, Jan.)

impudentinfidel
impudentinfidel
1 year ago

Did these MGTOW folks just completely forget what their group is supposed to be about? Nobody in the world has less of a leg to stand on criticizing this tactic.

epitome of incomprehensibility

@impudentinfidel – quite.

Also, these MGTOW really think that women and men are different species, don’t they? At least, this Scott person seems to think women are the sort of animals that go into heat in certain seasons, what with his “limited time frames” and “nature’s design.”

Men are bonobos, women are cats??

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@David
I emailed this to you as well, but that Scott guy is a MGTOW. Because of course he is.
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Bina
1 year ago

Of course Snotty Scotty’s a migtoe, because of course.

What’s hilarious is how few of them have yet actually gone the fuck away. And how many of them are basically waving their hands high in the air and screaming for all us yawning women to notice them.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

I’ll toast to their self owns for brightening up our afternoons at their expense.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

Whenever I sing “My Humps” at karaoke night, everyone boos, which proves that audiences hate singing.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

I mean, if I weren’t already asexual and I lived in Georgia at the time that this legislation gets implemented, I would be avoiding PIV sex like the plague. The risk would be too high for me to take on.

I’m not really sure if that would count as a sex strike, but, eh.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
1 year ago

The only reason I fantasize about a sex strike is that the people who support these draconian anti-abortion laws keep saying, “If you don’t want to have a baby, keep your legs closed.” I’d just like to see how they’d react if all women obeyed that advice. Or maybe I wouldn’t. We’re close enough to Republic of Gilead as it is.

But yeah, it’s not happening, and would be counterproductive anyway.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

It seems she just read “Lysistrara”, ca. 400 BC, in which the dogs of war were defeated by the pussies of peace. But it is a bad idea. Aristophenes, incels, and the sex strikers all seem to agree that sex, for women, is just a commodity to trade for power or influence. With aologies to Aristophenes, who was after all writing satire.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

These are the most pathetic, sad, miserable little sacks I’ve ever seen in my life. Jesus Christ up above they need to get a hobby and a life.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Knowing that Scott is a MGTOW somewhat spoils my enjoyment of the self-own, because it’s hard to find those guys funny any more. Though his “sex robots are already on the way” does make me think of him obsessively refreshing a delivery tracking page.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
1 year ago

When I once threatened (jokingly) to pull a Lysistrata, my man just rolled his eyes and said “yeah, right…”

When we were recently planning the anniversary of our first date (after which I did not have sex with him) I said “We can go out to dinner and then you CAN come home with me this time, because you live there, too. But we won’t have sex.” He rolled his eyes and said “Yeah, right…”

I’m not very good at sex strikes. I’m the blackleg girlfriend. I’m the scab.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

How long have the MGTOWs been threatening to leave now?! Can’t they finally go, already?!

As for sex strike… completely useless. And all kinds of misogynist.

A women’s general strike, however.. THAT would be a hard kick in the pants for everyone because NOTHING would get done.

An enby can dream.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Poor MGTOWs. All they want is to have access to sex with young, beautiful women who will do as they’re told.

Is that too much for a man to ask for?

Apparently so, in this topsy-turvy, mixed-up world.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

“Sex robots are already on the way”

🤭

Not Edward
Not Edward
1 year ago

@ Anonymous
Incels have less a concept of women having sexuality than ancient Greeks, FFS.
One of Aristophanes ongoing jokes in Lysistrata was that the women’s sex strike was constantly in danger of collapsing because the women couldn’t bear to go without sex themselves, and Lysistrata (the women’s leader) kept catching them trying to sneak back to their men.
Doing without sex was portrayed as heroic self sacrifice by the women.

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

Wow, so much to unpack here. The projection regarding hidden motives (the right always have to hide their power level). The reinforcing of women as sexual gatekeepers. The complete lack of awareness that women being less forward is the result of centuries of demonizing women’s sexuality (sometimes literally, as the “succubus” concept makes clear).

This is a perfect example of how social media’s attention-based market has completely warped our sense of community and activism. There’s rank-and-file unsung heroes working phone lines and stuffing envelopes to get the word out about abortion fundamentalists and pushing back against extreme measures, yet Alyssa Milano well-meaning but patently absurd idea becomes what “feminism” is to everybody on Facebook and Twitter (at least to the laypeople on those networks). It crowds out Planned Parenthood and other activist groups that have a better sense of how to rally people to an important cause.

Reactionaries, shameless as they are, unfortunately have a knack for defining their enemies on their terms. However, I do think that feminists are far ahead of the curve compared to their intersectional compatriots at counter-offensive, as none of these clowns’ brands like “MRA” or “MGTOW” have pierced the mainstream in any positive fashion.

laserqueen
laserqueen
1 year ago

Our theater group has been wanting to stage Lysistrata. Costuming discussions were great, the external representations of genitalia getting bigger and bigger for both men and women as the story moves along. So that by the end, the characters are lugging around these huge things showing just how lack of sex dominated everyone’s agenda! Especially after the menfolk return from a long military engagement and the women are looking forward to everyone cleaning up and enjoying lots of sex.

These men have no idea- but that’s not news.

Drungarios
Drungarios
1 year ago

@Prith kDar

Actually, they think it’s great. After all, we’re finally taking their advice! And it’s not like a lot of those guys are getting laid regularly, anyway, as these tweets show.

calmdown
calmdown
1 year ago

So if women supposedly don’t like sex at all, isn’t it kind of wrong to “convince”(!!) them to have sex with you? Aren’t you going against nature? It’s like they really do get off on the idea that they are “taking” something from the women that they don’t really want to give!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

The only people a sex strike would hurt are those who are actually having consensual, pleasurable sex. I have a feeling the incels would cheer at the thought of the drought extending to everyone else (especially Chad). The fundiegelicals would be smugly satisfied that women aren’t out slutting around anymore, and the alt-right would be happy to think there’s less incentive for white women to mix it up with immigrants. Maybe it would calm their raging sexual jealousy a little, but it certainly wouldn’t affect their daily lives.

Despite what these guys think, a sex strike isn’t about punishment or manipulation of men. It’s about self-preservation for women. If sex has the very real possibility of a death sentence hanging over it (not hyperbole in a nation that has one of the worst maternal mortality rates in the developed world), then women are naturally going to be much more picky and parsimonious about who they sleep with. Our lives depend on it.

There may also be a small element of “if you’re going to take away most of my bodily autonomy, I’m going to exercise what’s left of it, while I can”.

Ingmar
Ingmar
1 year ago

It’s not new, sadly, but seems like it got more extreme, from “they don’t enjoy it as much as men” and “they don’t need to orgasm”, to they only really like it with Chads and top 20% for others it’s a chore and dead beds, to the idea it’s always a chore and a reward, to this follie.
Sure it would be wrong, but I sometimes doubt they really believe this, but sort of get high by believing this, exactly because it would imply rape. Do they seriously believe most women don’t masturbate?

Reporting toxic views from Quora answers. These kinds of answers in quora seems even eerier because its layout appear that much more put together than Yahoo Answers, which makes for a scary contrast when you see people that confident and obtusely confident in the rightess of their assessment.
https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-women-want-to-have-sex-as-much-as-men
-scroll at the bottom of the barrel 🙂 –

This is really important. The myth of women wanting sex is causing real problems with men like the incels. Stop saying women want sex when it is insanely obvious that they do not. Sex is a chore women do to please men, either for rewards or to please men they care for.

Despite lots of women stating they have high or at least reasonable sex drives, not to say anyone men or women have to.
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Do women have an advantage over men when it comes to dating?
Eddie McNaughton
Answered Jul 13, 2018

Without a doubt yes.

In terms of both casual and serious dating.

Casual is the easiest. Most women are born with “erotic capital”. Just by right of being a woman, they are attractive and men are attracted to them based on looks alone. By just who they are, they are attractive. Very few men have “erotic capital”. The result is that many men are not attractive to women but most women are to men. This creates a massive sexual disparity between the genders. This also creates the demand for sex workers where men will pay big bucks to

Why is it that so many guys seek women’s advice on how to become more attractive to them?
Eddie McNaughton, Been in every dating/kink scene imaginable
Answered May 9, 2019

Two reasons:

Many Men are getting denied love, relationships and intimacy based solely on who they are. They are asking why.

Why women? because men believe women know what a woman want and will help them with question one.

Nothing is further from the truth. Women (and men) are in love with ideals, not reality. A fish doesn’t know how to catch a fish. A fisherman does.

When asking for advice, ask a womaniser or player.
THEY know.

A fish…

Bluecat
Bluecat
1 year ago

I can well believe they have met many women who do not like having sex… with them.

Is it a bit odd that it didn’t occur to them? Or does that belong to the area of the brain reserved for yelling that all women are having lots of sex all the time with Chad, dammit?

I’m confused.

Ingmar
Ingmar
1 year ago

Adding to othering like “a man is the key the woman is a lock” and it’s a failure from the lock to be opened by many keys to “the man is a fisherman and the woman is a fish” and of course the fish doesn’t know.
We can see how such ways of thinking women assume they are passive object to sex that need to be tricked, but the lock idea also assumes that unlike men, the lock is expected to resist, it’s encouraged. And then they complain women are more careful with sex? ^_^
Because these are the same people validating what they complain about.

Ingmar
Ingmar
1 year ago

Dunno, I also think that, for many, women who happen to also meet their exclusively visual standards of attraction didn’t want to have sex with them, which is nothing to feel insulted by, btw, I clarify being careful of splash damage on men who might have not yet had sex whatever their age for whatever reason, but are not incel or toxic, as of course that’s not directed to them. We actually combat virgin shaming, if any lurker is in doubt.
It’s definitely contraddictory. I think an apparently more coherent variation of the them is that sex would be a more physical necessity for men, so women can withdraw it. But if it was for physical necessity alone masturbation would cut it and both reasonable men and women release that way and fantasize, when they fancy it, usually, if they didn’t find one they are comfortable sharing it with and also willing to partake, which is a much different aspect. Or they’s not available at the moment.
I read this protest would in many cases just about refusing Piv sex only, in the Blue Pill thread, is it true?

Others protest that men might not find sex however they lower their standards and that a “Chad” instead would not refuse some sex with what they regard as a 5, but it would be just “pump and dump”, because apparently a man is taught to never say no, but that doesn’t align with their insults to the “below 5”, the obese ones, although others let hint they wouldn’t refuse a pump and dump. Could be “vicious signaling” or “assholery signaling” as other let know instead they’d laugh in her face, still in case she’d dare hitting on them. A power fantasy. In either case it’s about humiliation and degrading, they think one night stands are degrading to women yet it’s what some of them want. Or do they all want the good old days where, in their mind, a partner was guarateed to the hardworking god fearing male? Still confused.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

So what exactly was the rationale for Milano to come up with this idea? Did she just figure taking a more extreme approach would be more likely to draw publicity? While contraceptives have never been perfect, they are still legal in the US and I see no reason why she couldn’t have simply called for women to use them more actively.

Assuming my speculation is even remotely rooted in fact, I must pity her naivete in thinking her idea would do anything but rile up the hornet’s nest in the long run. This was doomed from the start.

And let’s not forget that unlike Milano, Lysistrata made sure that the women of Athens were all willing to go along with her sex strike before announcing that it was happening.

Lurker LXVII of the Chattering Class
Lurker LXVII of the Chattering Class
1 year ago

@Anonymous

I reckon she was thinking of things like Leymah Gbowee, the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate who organized a sex strike, or Isabelle Ameganvi in Togo. But your patronizing pity for her poor stupid irrational womanbrain is noted.

Perhaps you might note the similarities between Ms Milano’s stated purpose, to draw extreme attention to the issue (as you so cleverly guessed!), and Gbowee’s in this article. And let us think a moment which statement would garner more attention:

“It’s time for a sex strike! Women of Atlanta, unite!”

or

“Ladies, now that this law has passed, please submit and begin using contraceptives more actively, as if you were not already and were instead using abortion as birth control instead of a fail-safe.”

Hmmmmmmmm… yeah I think it’s the first. And did it work? Oh my yes it did, as we are all talking about it.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Anonymous:

While contraceptives have never been perfect, they are still legal in the US …

… so far.

As the Hobby Lobby court case showed (not to mention the number of pharmacy assistants who’ve complained about being required to sell them), the Religious Right types aren’t exactly making a secret of wanting to do away with contraceptives as well.

If they really wanted to reduce the number of abortions, they would be all for contraceptives. They aren’t. This is entirely about policing women’s bodies.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@Not Edward —

Oh, I agree 100%. But I explicitly said that Aristophenes was writing *satire* when he had women using sex as a bargaining chip. That the strike is in constant risk of failing is one of the jokes, and further proof (if any were needed) that he does not actually think women would, or should, engage in such a strike.

Not so, however, with both the “sex strikers” and the incels, who apparently are both 100% serious in their view that women use sex as a commodity, but only disagree about whether it’s a good or bad thing.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

It’s definitely contraddictory. I think an apparently more coherent variation of the them is that sex would be a more physical necessity for men, so women can withdraw it.

What makes this at all coherent? Unless you actually believe that A) sex is a physical necessity and B) that it only affects bepenised folks, there’s no coherency yo speak of.

But if it was for physical necessity alone masturbation would cut it and both reasonable men and women release that way and fantasize, when they fancy it, usually, if they didn’t find one they are comfortable sharing it with and also willing to partake, which is a much different aspect. Or they’s not available at the moment.

I think you’re saying people could just masturbate and fantasize? In which case, I agree.

I read this protest would in many cases just about refusing Piv sex only, in the Blue Pill thread, is it true?

No where have I seen any of the people suggesting this strike say this, and it oy follows if one believes that the only thing that counts as sex is piv, considering all the calls to action have said specifically sex strike, so no, I don’t believe this is true.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@Cat Mara —

I never understood why women should be any more “threatened” by sex robots than men are “threathened” by vibrators, that is to say, not at all. It’s none of my business if anybody uses either, but I don’t think anyone except incels think either can, or are intended to, be a replacement for a relationship with a human being.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@Lurker LXVII

I admit that I was uninformed about Gbowee and Ameganvi, and my own judgements about the sort of people who use Twitter (read: the ones who we see a lot of here) have undoubtedly colored the tone of my previous post.

I still believe some kind of behind-the-scenes coordination to ensure that the #SexStrike had a sufficiently powerful support base would have been prudent, but I can now only assume she was willing to take that risk.

And yes, her call did indeed get attention (which unfortunately includes the wrong attention, but Dave has given a better assessment of that than I can). But I am more inclined to focus more on the practical applications of such things: what good is all that attention if nothing comes of it other than a brief flurry of shitposting? I did note in the article you linked, the sex strike worked in part because it galvanized their husbands to take action against a war they may not have approved of but simply did not wish to act on it. The abortion issue on the other hand is far more divisive, and has a lot more men who will actively and aggressively oppose it.

Call me a cynic or just overly resigned to the status quo, but in cases like these the only viable approach to dealing with throwbacks like the people who passed the law is to wait it out long enough for them to get voted out of office so a new law can be made to override it. Everything else just feels like it would require a small miracle to succeed.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

I thought the whole MGTOW movement was meant to be a “relationship strike”, the purported male equivalent of what is being discussed here.

jenninsb
jenninsb
1 year ago

The fact that the #SexStrike can be so easily used as “proof” of assorted antifeminist and outright misogynst notions makes pretty clear why so many feminists are opposed to it: not only does it reinforce some pretty toxic ideas about female sexuality; it also just makes no damn sense logistically.

I immediately thought of Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace. They ended a war!

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@jenninsb

On the other hand, in their case they had the advantage that they could count on the support of the people.

If things in Liberia had been the way they are in Georgia now- where anti-abortion sentiment is common among the public (as opposed to the situation in Liberia where most people regardless of their political beliefs would have the common cause of not wanting to be at constant risk of death)- would it have been as successful?

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

O/T: This Twitter thread. The poster is not responsible for broken or destroyed sarcasm meters.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

I hate the entire “women don’t enjoy sex” narrative, but the sad thing is that I’m not surprised due to how society treats any form of female desire and when it can’t be quashed or forcibly hidden away everyone always has to dress it up as something else or explain it away, like how some people twist themselves in circles to explain that women can’t just enjoy any piece of art or media because the male lead looks hot.

And then it’s the massive homophobia that’s almost eradicated any attempts to show the male body as something desirable from mainstream media, whereas sexualized depictions of female bodies are ubiquitous even to the point even stuff aimed at straight women are chock full of it. Just to give one example, in one episode of Cake Boss, a woman asked the baker to make a cake for her bachelorette party (she was marrying a man) and gave the baker free hands to bake any form of cake he wanted for her, and he baked a cake in the shape of a busty woman’s torso in a revealing corset. Like, could anyone imagine a serious professional suggesting to bake a cake in the shape of a bare male torso with a Chippendale collar or something for the bachelor party of a straight guy?

At least to me, it’s kind of ridiculous that even stuff that’s explicitly made for straight women, like Titanic or the 50 Shades movies, there’s still nude scenes for the female lead, but the male leads never show anything you wouldn’t see in a regular sports magazine, least any potential straight men in the audience get icked out.

And meanwhile, gamer girls making any complaint whatsoever on female video game characters wearing literal lingerie into battle get told to suck it up and deal with it or be labeled puritan shrews, but when the Final Fantasy devs made a revealing costume for a male character, there was so much protests among male gamers that they were forced to change him.

So it’s not that straight women don’t have sexual desires or find male bodies attractive, it’s just that for many women, it takes a great deal longer to find out what they want and an even more time to find the time to admit that they want it at all when basically all of society tells them otherwise, whereas straight men gets catered to with tons of stuff tailored just for them right off the bat.

And as for lesbians, I’ve no idea how the idiots claiming that no women want sex explain their existence.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Scanisaurus:
To folks like these, lesbians only do it to be hot and more attractive to guys.

(I’m not joking; there was a story on Not Always Right about a woman saying her male co-worker pretty much said exactly that. He apparently didn’t believe lesbians were actually interested in women so much as they were using that to attract other attention.)

Bina
1 year ago

@Eddie McNaughton, giver of shitty love advice:

Most women are born with “erotic capital”. Just by right of being a woman, they are attractive and men are attracted to them based on looks alone. By just who they are, they are attractive. Very few men have “erotic capital”. The result is that many men are not attractive to women but most women are to men.

Srsly? I was literally the most ignored girl in my class at school. When I wasn’t the most despised. I was the class brain, go figure. I was a literal, actual female incel, and yet I never shot up my school. At worst, I tried not to cry about it in the bathroom. What is this fucking “erotic capital” nonsense you speak of, and where do I go to get me some?

(she wrote, dripping snark all down her cleavage…)

Many Men are getting denied love, relationships and intimacy based solely on who they are. They are asking why.

Why women? because men believe women know what a woman want and will help them with question one.

Nothing is further from the truth. Women (and men) are in love with ideals, not reality. A fish doesn’t know how to catch a fish. A fisherman does.

When asking for advice, ask a womaniser or player.
THEY know.

Whew, there’s a lot to unpack here, but I’d so much prefer to just douse the whole suitcase in gasoline and torch that motherfucker. Nevertheless, for the sake of argument (and any lurkers out there who sincerely want to know), here goes:

No, “womanizers” and “players” DON’T know what women want. And no, they WON’T help you. Their “advice” isn’t worth shit. Because those mofos are only out for themselves, and women DON’T want one of those, unless they’re looking for a human dildo to use for a night and then forget in the morning. Never having done that, I can’t say I’d recommend it myself. The risks of pregnancy and STDs are just not worth it (Georgia legislators, are you listening???), and neither is the danger that the mofo might turn out to be another Ted Bundy, or another Green River Killer. So no, NO “advice” from pickup assholes. EVER. Unless you want to fail with women repeatedly, and at life in general. Because those guys are shit-awful people. And who wants to have sex with a shit-awful person?

Women have ideals because we have STANDARDS, guys. We can accept that a potential partner may not match all our criteria, but you’d be amazed what we’re willing to put up with if we actually LIKE the person. Or if the person actually manages to find our sexual sweet spots and cares enough about making those spots happy. Or, holy shit, we both like them enough AND manage to orgasm with them on a regular enough basis to make it worth staying with them.

So, uh, in conclusion, DON’T take Eddie’s “advice”. He’s not Dear Abby, and there’s a reason for that. He sucks.

And not in the sexy way, either.

Ingmar
Ingmar
1 year ago

Kupo: Ok short clarification, no,

It’s definitely contraddictory. I think an apparently more coherent variation of the them is that sex would be a more physical necessity for men, so women can withdraw it.

What makes this at all coherent? Unless you actually believe that A) sex is a physical necessity and B) that it only affects bepenised folks, there’s no coherency yo speak of.

I don’t believe that haha, I said “apparently more coherent” as less clearly untrue, but I worded that post bad I realize :).
That is sadly very widely believed.

I think you’re saying people could just masturbate and fantasize? In which case, I agree.

Yeah, and more, at one level, that even if it was the case, they could just do that, if it was just physical and mechanic, but it isn’t as their post show. And that even women do that, some very often like it used to be only attributed to men.
And a good masturbation is better than a bad partner, especially abusive one. To us that’s captain obvious and a platitude, of course, but not to mysogynist and terpers.

P.s can’t believe such a law passed, I hope the other judges won’t be so fundamentalist as the new two.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Knitting Cat Lady:

As for sex strike… completely useless. And all kinds of misogynist.

A women’s general strike, however.. THAT would be a hard kick in the pants for everyone because NOTHING would get done.

You’re not the only one to have thought so: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/13/a-sex-strike-is-not-enough-women-need-to-down-tools-completely

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
1 year ago

Eh, I think it’s a good rule of thumb to #sexstrike men who oppose abortion rights.

Not that they were a candidate for sex involving me in the first place, so it’s sort of like my boycotting Walmart.

C4twoman
C4twoman
1 year ago

@Katamount

And notice how this elides by the entire bulk of sexual activity..by one’s self.

Yes, we know they assume this is women withholding sex , specifically from male individuals, but this assumption about women not having sex only works if they, honestly and truly believe women never pleasure themselves. Or that doesn’t count as sex?

IMHO they do not believe this. It’s just another episode or fake outrage manufactured to have an excuse to spread misogyny.

Aside: I had an ex who got extremely bent out of shape whenever I pointed out anyone always had the option of having sex by themselves if they couldn’t find the right person. It was disturbingly irrational, like dude, you are the ONLY person you have a RIGHT to expect sex from. It was as if all he was hearing was, “If I have to masturbate, I am being rejected for all time” or something….

Hypatia's Daughter
Hypatia's Daughter
1 year ago

Well, there’s always birth control…….
Until, after anti-abortion laws are in place and some judge decides that all birth control (except barrier methods, like the condom & the diaphragm) are abortifacients, and declares them illegal.
YOU might know they aren’t, but Fundies know better.

A really serious issue is how is “abortion” defined in a states law. Is it banning a specific medical procedure (“abortion”), or any procedure that may terminate the life of a zygote, embryo or fetus, (a d & c)? If a woman has a spontaneous abortion or a miscarriage, how do they determine the pregnancy is over so they can proceed to the d & c? (it happened to me).
Will treating ectopic pregnancies become illegal?
Will these laws become a stepping stone to barring pregnant women from medical treatments that might kill the fetus?

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
1 year ago

@Hypatia’s Daughter:
Probably. Women have already been criminally charged after miscarriages under less ridiculous laws. This new law focuses on charging the doctor, thus guaranteeing that no legitimate doctor will actually want to risk performing the procedure.

(And, as you probably know, the ‘birth control==abortifacient’ argument was what was used by Hobby Lobby to refuse to pay for birth control as part of a health plan. An argument the court accepted as ‘sincerely believed’, as if that should make a difference.)

Of course, the people who proposed it have also made no secret of the fact that they WANT it to be challenged in the hopes of riding the challenge up to the Supreme Court to attack Roe v. Wade.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

@Bina
I can relate, and I think this mindset comes from these idiots literally not seeing any women that don’t fit their arbitrary attractiveness standard. Like, any woman who isn’t thin and have a perfect face (or even just any woman who isn’t actively working on making themselves attractive to random men right there and then) is practically invisible to them, unless they want something to be angry at for not catering to them.

Estwald
Estwald
1 year ago

Sex robots may be on the way, but I’m waiting for Dors Venabili.

sly fawkes
1 year ago

Not wanting sex with misogynist asswipes is not the same thing as not liking sex. I’m surprised that geniuses like Scott Gurstein and his friends haven’t figured that out yet. (sarcasm)