By David Futrelle
Remember this guy? Once upon a time, Paul Elam, founder of the misogynistic hate site A Voice for Men and once one of the world’s more (in)famous Men’s Rights activists, was a mainstay in the virtual pages of We Hunted the Mammoth.
Then the Men’s Rights movement in general, and Elam in particular, was upstaged by even more reprehensible misogynist movements from Gamergate to the alt-right. In 2016, having trouble raising money to keep his site and himself going, Elam naturally declared victory and announced he was retiring from the Men’s Rights activism industry.
In 2017, he unretired, but he’s never regained his former, er, glory. Still, he soldiers on. He continues to post videos on YouTube on his A Near for Men An Ear for Men channel. He offers $120 an hour “consulting” services via Skype to men on such subjects as “relationship issues” (he has no training as a therapist), “divorce strategies” (he’s not a lawyer) and “diabetes management” (he’s not a doctor). And he continues to share his “Red Pill” wisdom on Facebook and Twitter, the latter of which he’s returned to on a new account despite being permabanned some time ago.
So why am I even bringing him up? Well, I ran across this recent, uh, insight from him and I thought I should share it with you.
MRAs claim to care about abused men, but don’t actually do anything to help them in any tangible way, like setting up hotlines or shelters. (The only shelter for men in the US was set up by a feminist Domestic Violence organization that MRAs once tried to defund.) Instead, MRAs post shit like this, conflating actual abusive behavior by women with, well, women expecting to be treated with a modicum of consideration by their male partners.
But of course “wisdom” like this resonates with Elam’s remaining fans.
A veritable Algonquin Round Table here, huh?
I scrolled back a little on his Twitter, and found a couple more #RedPillRelationships pearls from ol’ Paul:
So thoughtful, so wise!
In case you’re wondering — I was — Elam’s A Voice for Men continues, though it’s not altogether clear who’s involved in running it these days. It squeezes out a few articles a week, which seem to consist of turgid exegeses of “gynocentrism” alternating with the sort of outrage-bait AVFM used to be semi-famous for.
Paul himself contributes from time to time. In February, for example, he wrote a 64-word post titled “A message to Democrats from Paul Elam and A Voice for Men” in which he declared that anyone voting for a Democrat is
literally voting for the murder of children. Given that, it is the editorial position of A Voice for Men that you should have been aborted, you degenerate Nazi fuck.
Other recent posts on the site have included such gems as:
And then there are all of … these.
I have no idea what’s going on with these, or why there are so many of them, but I don’t care enough to read any of them to find out.
So, big congratulations to Paul Elam and to A Voice for Men for continuing to exist, I guess, despite there being no real need for either or you.
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This really annoys me because I talk a lot with men and boys who are in real abusive relationships with women. Men who do take slaps and punches from their girlfriend because they are much smaller then them and that some his makes it okay. One friend I’m trying to helps is with a woman that threatens to kill herself when he tries to turn the conversation to them breaking up. She has cut herself in front of him and told him if he breaks up with her and she kills herself it’s his fault. He’s a really sweet guy so obviously he doesn’t want that. I tell him time and time again it’s manipulation tatic and their relationship is mentally abusive towards him. I see things like this a lot so when people like Paul open their big mouths I get pissed because they are doing nothing to help actual abused men and boys who really so need some help.
I’m having a hard time reading the quoted comment posted by Clark Sands not because it’s misogynistic garbage but because, he puts commas, in weird, places making his, point difficult to, grasp.
Dafuq?
Also, I love that the robo-posted “articles” from AVFM have feminine-appearing bylines. Women must love that site for so many to write for it!
The next time I’m able to adopt a kitten, I think I’ll name her The Automatic Outgroup Derogation of Men. Thea, for short.
Lainy –
You make an excellent point. It is a symptom, I think, of the “victimization” of our society. No longer is it enough to claim (rightly or wrongly) that the social status in romantic relationships is *unfair* to men, or that this or that social practice is *wrong*. (I very much doubt it but it’s not the point) .
To have a claim for justice, men – like everyone else that days – must be seen as “victims” who were “abused” but somehow still are “survivors”, etc., etc.
As you point out, when everybody is a victim, nobody is; it might seem “caring” but the end result is that those who *really are* abused victims – those whose partner beats up and threatens – are ignored in the hubbub.
I have 2 grown sons and do have some thoughts about what could happen if they were to meet women who are prepared to exploit their good nature’s.
But the idea that they have no power is just ridiculous. They know what they want and don’t want and are hardly going to be doormats to anyone.
Not gonna lie, Feminist Clitoral Propaganda and the Politics of Bonking sounds like some nu-wave punk lesbian band’s first album. With the singles being Future Matriarchal Gynocracy, Feminist Zero Sum Game, and Automatic Outgroup Derogation.
Lainy says: “This really annoys me because I talk a lot with men and boys who are in real abusive relationships with women.”
Wow, really, a lot?? Not saying they don’t exist but who knew there were so many abusive women out there. Are you a therapist?
Casta
Reread. I said I talk a lot with men and boys. As in I speak with men and boys who are abused and talk with them quite frequently. There are far more abusive men then women out there and yes some of the abused men/boys I talk to are abuse by another man/ boy there in a relationship with. I’m not a therapist. I go to highschools/middleschools in my district ever year to talk to them about dating abuse and sexual abuse. I started this when I was 16, after my own rape. For a lot of teenage boys, it is the first time they are told that its not okay if their girlfriend hits them. That it is abusive if this happens. So when I have teenage boys that come up to me after my talks and ask if things like “my girlfriend doesn’t let me be friends with other girls, does that count?” and things like this its really sad. Also keep in mind I’m counting anyone 18 and older as a man. My friend who has the abusive relationship right now is 20 and quite naive when it comes to love.
I’ve talked about this here before. I started doing this after my own rape and abusive relationship.
Lainy’s not wrong. My best friend was engaged to a women who did the same thing.She would beat him ruthlessly( he showed me the bruises), and he was a sweet guy who wouldn’t attack a woman even to defend himself. When he got tired of the abuse( and her anger destroying all his friendships) and ended the engagement, she also would call and threaten to kill herself if he didn’t get back together.
Fortunately, my friend finally left her and is in a new relationship with a very nice woman. I feel happy for him.
Everytime AVFM says “Automatic Outgroup Derogation of Men”, a misogynist gets his boner.
Either that, or we’re all supposed to take a swig of whatever we happen to be drinking.
Good old Bettina Arndt, still peddling the same shite she’s been peddling for decades now.
Can anyone explain to me what the ‘logic’ is in the multiple posts on Officer Mohamed Noor? Obviously Elam et al perceive something relevant to men’s rights here, but I’m at a loss.
Is it just that he killed a white woman?
H’m – “women don’t want to be loved, they just want to be desired to boost their ego”.
1). I am shocked – SHOCKED! – to discover that women want to be desired by men and that this boosts their ego. Who ever heard of such a thing? The sluts!
2). “He just *desires* you, I *love* you, but you rejected for him to boost your ego” means, in practice, “he is your boyfriend, I’m the creepy stalker you’ve got a restraining order against”.
@ Anonymous and Jojo
I just hate this kind of stuff because there are actual abused men and boys out there. not Paul’s “if they don’t have sex with you it’s abused” bullshit but actually stuff. Men are more physical with abuse and will do far more damage then women abusers. Women abusers tend to use a lot more threats and mental abuse but it’s all horrible. No one deserves any type of abuse. I just thought this was an alright place to talk about men in actual abusive relationships.
Also I’m sorry because women abusers sounds weird but I really hate using male or female even though that might sound better. I don’t know, I don’t like to take away the humanity part of it.
@Anonymous
Lol sugar, back ground music for my life right there. That was a good one.
I had to laugh (sort of) at the copy-and-paste nature of so many of those titles.
Has anyone here read the Predictive Text Harry Potter (https://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html)? Who here thinks Elam does the same think in all his articles, only with far less skill…or humour…
Harry Potter and the Automatic Outgroup Derogation of Men
…oh sorry, what? I was a little hypnotized by the repetitive article titles.
Democrats aren’t the ones putting children in cages, forcibly ripping them from their parents, repealing child labor laws, and taking away access to clean air, clean water, health care, and nutritious school lunches. Real live actual children.
Anyone who views babies as a tool for punishing and controlling women forfeits any right to opine about the welfare of those babies.
Edit: ninja’d by Bookworm!
The really funny thing about this is that it’s a Red Pilled conclusion (not assumption, but conclusion) that this is “The Golden Age of the Alpha Male” exactly because there is so much fucking soy out there. No one gives a shit about beta men. Do you even lift, Paul?
@Lainy
Yep. It’s impossible for me to take physical abuse towards men from women seriously, exactly because of this. Of course, men are much more capable of all sorts of violence, including suicide.
That’s where “White Knights” come in. Consider (and I hate the term, and it’s not my lived experience) “divorce rape.” This is not something inflicted on men by women, this is something inflicted on men by other men on the behest of women.
The problem is that we do have a “will to vengeance.” See any superhero movie ever.
Neutral Good –
Not to mention, “the femoids”. If there is one thing good about incels / MGTOW movement, it’s that just about every deregatory term they have for women would make a *great* band name.
Sorry what the heck does “Algonquin Round Table” mean? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but I’m kinda seriously side-eying that phrase.
Sometimes I think about the fact that my college career feels like I’m fooling academics with doctorates and decades of experience into thinking I have any idea at all what I’m talking about.
Then I read a Paul Elam post and realize I’m way more advanced at the concept of stringing together coherent thoughts and I suddenly feel much better.
Reynard –
The “Algonquin round table” was a set of literary wits (Dorothy Parker, Tellulah Bankhead, Franklin Pierce Adams, Alexander Wollcott, etc.) who would meet regularly in the Algonquin hotel in New York in the 30s and 40s.
The Algonquin Round Table was where Dorothy Sayers and friends used to lunch regularly. It’s become a synonym for razor sharp wit and intelligence.
@Reynard
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquin_Round_Table
Google is your friend.