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“Jack Corbin,” online pal of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter, wants to force “Attractive Left Wing Traitor Women” to pay “sexual reparations” to incels

CORRECTION: The original version of this post contained a picture of someone who was not “Jack Corbin.” I have removed it. My apologies.

By David Futrelle

Fascist shitposter “Jack Corbin” — a serial harasser of antifascist activists and a onetime online buddy of Pittsburgh Synagogue shooter Robert Bowers — thinks he’s found a solution to the problem of mass shootings by angry, bitter incels. At least the white ones.

He calls it “sexual reparations.” And he may have sort of stolen the idea from Jordan Peterson. Who may have sort of borrowed the idea from the incels themselves.

In a post on Gab today, Corbin spelled out the basics of his plan:

In a Gab post yesterday, “Corbin” — whose real name is
Daniel McMahon, according to Right Wing Watch — explored this lovely idea in more detail, suggesting that it would play a central role in his presumably never-going-to-happen run for the presidency in 2024.

A presidential run? 8-10 white children? Rapists allowed to sue their sex slaves if their perfume makes them sneeze? Is this all just one big shitpost?

Well, yes and no. We can dismiss posts like these as jokes only if we ignore the fact that Nazis and “edgy” racists use humor as a way to normalize their hateful ideas and make them go down easier, as writer Tauriq Moosa has noted. Daily Stormer publisher Andrew Anglin is a virtuoso shitposter who learned his craft on 4chan; he’s also deadly serious. Both the Toronto van attacker and the Christchurch mosque shooter made references to memes in the messages they left behind to explain why they decided to commit their acts of terrorism.

Another reason we can’t dismiss “Corbin’s” posts as jokes? Because his words online — however hyperbolic or ridiculous they may sometimes sound — have already been used to cause harm in the real world. He’s terrorized antifa activists with threats and by posting their personal information online.

And his words may also have helped to influence Pittsburgh synagogue shooter Robert Bowers in his decision to take his hatred offline, murdering 11 in a shooting rampage only a little more than five months ago. Bowers was a regular on Gab, and while he interacted with a number of well-known far-right figures on the site, the person he interacted most with was “Corbin.”

While “Corbin’s” rants are simultaneously horrific and ludicrous, it’s worth pointing out that his plan for “sexual reparations” is in many ways just a more carefully thought out version of the notion of “enforced monogamy” as a solution to incel killing sprees that was set forth last year by supposedly serious thinker Jordan Peterson.

In order to work as planned, both, er, “solutions” to the problem of incel violence would require women to be somehow compelled to have sex with the sort of men who think a killing spree is an appropriate response to not getting laid.

“Corbin” is fairly clear that these women would be literally forced to have sex, with an implicit threat of violence or jail hanging over their heads. Peterson, for his part, denies that his version of “enforced monogamy” would be, well, enforced in this way, but has offered no suggestions as to what non-coercive mechanism could somehow, er, inspire the women of the world to have sex with men who are presumably having some trouble getting laid now because women may just be able to sense that they have secret shrines to Elliot Rodger hidden in their closets.

Versions of the “sexual reparations” and/or “enforced monogamy” have been common on incel forums for years now. Now these incels have the explicit support of a dangerous self-described fascist with a direct connection to the man who carried out an anti-Semitic mass shooting that took eleven lives. No way this could end badly, huh?

H/T to @scottkernest and @AntiFashGordon, who highlighted “Corbin’s” Gab posts on Twitter.

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kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Anonymous
I think part of his behavior is motivated by money, or at least it has been since he discovered people will pay him for this drivel, but it started out as just plain bigotry.

As for his book not being transphobic? I doubt that, based on the wikipedia description.

The other parts of the work explore and criticize the state of young men, the upbringing which ignores sex differences between boys and girls (criticism of overprotection and tabula rasa model in social sciences), male-female interpersonal relationships, school shootings, religion and moral nihilism, relativism and lack of respect to the values that build Western society.

Sounds like, from what I know of his views on gender, he’s very likely transphobic and misogynistic in at least parts of the book.

LeeshaJoy
LeeshaJoy
2 years ago

Not that I actually advocate giving these people anything, but just as a thought experiment: what if there was a “sexual welfare” program, but it was just as miserable and debasing as any other form of welfare in the US?

It would have to start with a thorough vetting process, of course, to make sure that your celibacy is truly involuntary and you’re not just too lazy or too picky to get a girlfriend on your own. I’m thinking that would take at least 18 months, longer if there’s a backlog of applications. If, after all that, the state is satisfied that you are truly unfuckable, you would receive your “Government Girlfriend”–a dollar-store blow-up doll with a stock photo of a woman taped to it. But that’s not the end of it. Every week, you would have to submit proof, in writing, that you had tried and failed to get a woman to sleep with you. If you succeed in getting laid, you lose your benefits. If you turn down an offer of sex for any reason whatsoever, you lose your benefits. If you become so discouraged that you stop trying to talk to women at all? You guessed it, you lose your benefits. And God help you if you’re caught having any kind of interaction with a woman while still in possession of your Government Girlfriend, because not only will you lose it, but conservative politicians will spend years using you as an example of why the budget for the sex welfare program should be cut to the bone.

Still sound like fun, incels?

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

Kupo – I see your point, but the weakness of the book is, to me, much more general. The book seemed to me full of “good ol’ days” nostalgia, when all of this bad, modern stuff didn’t happen.

To be sure, the “good old days” had their share of bigotry and opression which Peterson ignores. But he ignores EVERYTHING bad about the “good old days”, such as, oh I don’t know, the misery of the great depression and the slaughter or WWII.

It’s the usual hankering for a magical, perfect world which never existed, with the belief that if you just “stand up straight”, you will conjure it into existence. It’s the same attitude that makes some people wish they lived in the middle ages… as lords and ladies, of course, never as the illiterate peasants that made up 99% of the population.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Anonymous
I mean, yes, the entire book and the entire man are garbage. I hope I didn’t give the impression I thought otherwise. You asked what the appeal was and the answer is, he’s a bigot. Period. That’s the only appeal he has. And because he uses a university professor position as a platform for his bigotry, people look up to him. It doesn’t take a lot to impress bigots.

Jamborina Squib
Jamborina Squib
2 years ago

@LeeshaJoy

*bows over and over saying “I’m not worthy!”*

That is just the perfect response! These guys don’t have any real clue of what it really is like to be on social assistance, and their ignorance shows when they have ‘ideas’ like the one above. You are a beautiful human being 🙂

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

I have no wish to restart the argument from a few posts back, but seeing this post I just want to say that when I initially said that I thought society normalizing men buying sex could harm a lot of women and spread misogyny, it was exactly people like Jack Corbin I had in mind.

Just the way he describes women’s bodies as just a resource to be re-distributed, and not living and feeling people, calling it “reparations” and asking women to “simply opening their legs” and allowing the men they’d normally reject have sex with them, emphasis on simply because he treats it like just a bit of work, and not the rape that it would be, and referring to all women collectively as “whores” makes my skin crawl.

It’s scary that he can so thoroughly dehumanize half of humanity that way.

S. P.
S. P.
2 years ago

Elliot Rodger’s “alleged” victims??

“Alleged?”

That’s really the cherry on the shit sundae, isn’t it?

(Yes, I know that you should use “alleged” when referring to the actions of living people who haven’t been to trial, in order to minimize jury bias and highlight the presumption of innocence. But Rodgers is dead. There is no jury involved that we can unfairly influence by relating events as they provably happened.)

An Impish Pepper
An Impish Pepper
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus

May I ask why you keep bringing this up? I’ve been debating talking about this ever since it was brought up in the Foot Dude article, and since that comment section has covered nearly all of what I would have talked about, I’ll just address this one point, the idea that the normalization of buying sex from women will spread misogyny inherently. This isn’t meant to talk about whether specific instances of decriminalizing sex work are correlated with increases in specific forms of misogyny like sex trafficking, because cause-and-effect analysis of public policy is very complicated and I think the other comment section has that discussion pretty well covered. It will just be about whether greater acceptance of sex work is inherently beneficial to the ideology of misogyny as we know it today, as so frequently displayed on this site.

I started reading this site regularly around summer of 2017, but the first I heard about it was during gamergate, which I kept somewhat of an eye on. I also — and I increasingly feel like this is against my better judgment — read forums that have large portions of right-wing “gamer” types on them. On top of that, I interact with the religious right on a regular basis. So I think I have a pretty decent idea of what both this site and the current shape of the right are about.

One key takeaway for me is that guys like this don’t want to pay for sex. A lot of guys don’t seem to like the idea of directly paying for it (I say “directly” because of course you generally have to spend money to go on dates, groom yourself, etc. to help ensure that “free” sex occurs), but reactionary guys are especially averse to it. They want women to do a variety of things for them for free, especially sex. Having to pay for sex not only means giving the sex worker money that they can use however they want afterward, but also means giving them the power to set the price. Having a price that they set gives them power. Despite the coercive nature of work under capitalism, and even for the ones who can’t charge hundreds of dollars because they can’t afford a fancy room, that’s not nothing, and these guys know it, and they hate it.

Ironically, these same people either are, or are frequently ideologically allied with, the religious right, which is actively opposed to pretty much all sex work. This ideology goes back to puritanism, which publicly shamed women for having extramarital sex, and witch hunts, which killed them. Sex work has existed and even thrived prior to these periods. I’m not saying sex workers weren’t abused in the before times, and it’s difficult in general to talk about these things outside the context of modern western capitalism. I can, however, only conclude that this ideology of misogyny is overall threatened by sex work, not strengthened by it.

Just look at some of gamergate’s targets. Zoe Quinn and Allison Rapp did sex work. In fact, for the latter this was precisely what they used to get her fired from Nintendo. And that’s just the well-known ones. Misogynists are very hostile to sex workers, and they’ll have their awful attitudes and views toward women whether or not more sex workers are visible.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

Just a nice little hidden weapon thing for defense for anyone woman or man with long hair. I found these really cool hair sticks that are meant to go into buns. I have two different kinds that are made out of metal and made to look like swords. It’s like wearing little daggers in my hair and they make me feel a lot safer especially with my creepy co worker. Since they just look like hair accessories it’s not like carrying around a knife or pepper spray. but they are the perfect size to go for the eyes if someone messes with you and I highly recommend them.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

@Meteor

Every time I post here, I spend the first five minutes staring at the comment thing, because I cannot come up with any adequate response to this craziness.

Please abide by the comments policy and avoid blaming misogyny on mental illness.

amy
amy
2 years ago

At last, I am called upon to fulfill my true purpose… hah. no.

I don’t see why they think they’re the only ones who can’t get a date. Anyone can lack intimacy.

Citerior Motive
Citerior Motive
2 years ago

@David: You mean you realized you’d made a mistake, apologized, and corrected it? The alt-right are sure not to understand this strange behaviour.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@rhuu

It was all awful. But that was a level of sheer* awfulness I did NOT expect.

I know. It can be daunting to look at evil.

Sending you positivity. ♥♥♥♥

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@An Impish Pepper
I see, and you do make good points.

However, I still think that in order to divorce sex work from entitlement and misogyny, it needs to be treated differently form other types of work and unlike nearly all other capitalist services, which are standardized and the customers have a right to demand any form of service on offer from any employee, sex work by it’s nature requires the right of the workers to refuse any client for any reason and change the boundaries for what services they are willing to offer at any given time in order for it to be ethical, and the problem I’ve seen with some people arguing for the right to buy sex is that they don’t treat it as a personal and mutual negotiation between them and the sex worker, but instead treat the workers themselves as a product to be bought and consumed for their enjoyment (just think of every time someone lists “women” as a treat to be bought alongside alcohol, drugs, luxury foods etcetera), and more horrifyingly, people saying that sex workers can’t be raped and that doing it to someone selling sex as part of their job is no worse than say, running from the bill at a restaurant.

And while conservatives and puritans are indeed hostile to sex workers, at the same time they often also want them available, often using the argument that it’s their job to put up with dangerous or immoral men in order to protect “proper” women and act as a punchball for people who can’t find a willing partner, and it all boils down to the idea that sex work is an inevitable and necessary part of society in order to help keeping male urges in line, and you also have creepy evo-psych guys arguing about hypergamy and how all women would trade their bodies for resources if only the offer was good enough and sex work was just the logical endpoint of “natural female behavior”, and they treat the prevalence of sex work as proof of their point instead of a choice on part of the workers.

In my first comment here I just wanted to highlight the worrying parallels I saw between the stuff I’ve mentioned, and I was hoping it would give you an understanding of where I was coming from, but if anyone feels like I’m trying to restart an unwanted argument I will not post more about this.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Jack, thanks for enlightening me about your presidential campaign platform. You’ve obviously put two or three minutes of thought into your plan to force some women to have sex with incels to prevent incels from committing mass murder.

Allow me to enlighten you about reality. It seems to be more or less legal to shitpost. But if you try to carry out your plan to deprive women of their right to feel safe in their own bodies — in other words, if you do anything other than bullshit your readers — that’s a different matter.

Have you given any thought to what kind of prison sentence you might receive? What correctional facility you’d end up in?

Incarceration is extremely unpleasant. Guards bark orders all day. You see the sky for only a little while each day, if at all. The threat of violence from other inmates and from guards is constant. The food is terrible. The smallest pleasures you once enjoyed — buying a candy bar, walking around the block, looking out the window — are no longer yours.

Glad I could provide you with some reality therapy.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
2 years ago

opposablethumbs:

It’s so transparent that if these execrable scum somehow were able to meet a person who became their actual girlfriend, or someone who would agree to have sex with them for any reason (be it money, be it “saving lives” as per their ugly fascist-appeasing myths) it wouldn’t make them happy at all.

They don’t want sex at all except as a means of hurting someone by raping them; if it’s not against the other person’s will, it’s not what they want. That’s how they “win”.

I also think that many, or likely most incels are wannabe abusers (and Corbin certainly is). However, I suspect that even more universally, incels want to feel socially validated by having sex and girlfriends.

It’s been often noted how incels scorn sex workers because they feel entitled to “free” sex (and they fervently deny that getting sex via conventional relationships is mostly a matter of effort and luck, rather than one’s inborn traits). They are delusionally jealous of the mythical “Chads”, men who supposedly are getting endless, effortless sex with conventionally hot women.

I think, ultimately, incels feel entitled to “being as good as any other man, and better than most”, so to say. If they were given some reluctant pity sex (much like some of them actually already visit sex workers), they might enjoy any opportunities for sadistically abusing women, but they wouldn’t actually feel any more validated.

I presume that even if incels had loving, conventionally hot virgin girlfriends with endless sex appetite, many of them would be still unhappy. These would be ones with deep underlying personal problems, or a really serious abusive streak, or just a personal tendency to be eternally unsatisfied with anything.

doethreetwoone
doethreetwoone
2 years ago

Hold up.

If the discussion is about Left Wing Traitor Women: wouldn’t that imply that the women at issue are no longer left wing or at least that they betrayed the left wing somehow?

That seems like a very small pool to draw from. Then again, if it is to be like any other US government benefit, a small pool makes sense.

doethreetwoone
doethreetwoone
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus

I still think that in order to divorce sex work from entitlement and misogyny, it needs to be treated differently form other types of work and unlike nearly all other capitalist services, which are standardized and the customers have a right to demand any form of service on offer from any employee, sex work by it’s nature requires the right of the workers to refuse any client for any reason and change the boundaries for what services they are willing to offer at any given time in order for it to be ethical, and the problem I’ve seen with some people arguing for the right to buy sex is that they don’t treat it as a personal and mutual negotiation between them and the sex worker, but instead treat the workers themselves as a product to be bought and consumed for their enjoyment

I would suggest that sex workers are more akin to professionals (lawyers, dentists, architects etc.) than workers in the classical sense.

Viewed this way, even modern capitalism provides a template by which sex workers can maintain full control of their work.

Other professionals can, and do, refuse clients (for example) based on their own -entirely subjective- definitions of a ‘good client’. Further, other professionals do not offer cookie-cutter services and are expected to set their own rates for their work.

Professions are also generally self-governing, which (considering the history of outsiders attempting to govern sex work) would seem like the best way to govern the sex work profession.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus

but if anyone feels like I’m trying to restart an unwanted argument I will not post more about this.

I feel not only this but that you’re also making it worse by implying thst voluntary sex work is anything like these disgusting rape ring fantasies the alt-right conjure up with their ‘sexual redistribution’ rhetoric. Just stop.

Fraser
2 years ago

The humor thing.
The problem with the “it’s just satire/humor” defense is that the writer has to be making fun of something. For example, anti-feminist Charlotte Allen once wrote a WaPo column arguing that women are so dumb, men should be the bosses; when people pointed out all her facts were wrong, the editor claimed it was satire (as did a couple of people when I pointed it out). But Allen’s a firm believer that Man In Charge is the way it should be, so was she satirizing her own views? I think not.
Likewise, the bozo in the OP does not appear to be satirizing how stupid the sex redistribution arguments are, so even if he later claims it was a joke, he’d better explain why it was supposed to be funny.

Nowherepants
Nowherepants
2 years ago

One key takeaway for me is that guys like this don’t want to pay for sex. A lot of guys don’t seem to like the idea of directly paying for it (I say “directly” because of course you generally have to spend money to go on dates, groom yourself, etc. to help ensure that “free” sex occurs), but reactionary guys are especially averse to it. They want women to do a variety of things for them for free, especially sex.

Well yeah!

It’s an ego blow to have to pay for sex.

Nowherepants
Nowherepants
2 years ago

I have no wish to restart the argument from a few posts back, but seeing this post I just want to say that when I initially said that I thought society normalizing men buying sex could harm a lot of women and spread misogyny, it was exactly people like Jack Corbin I had in mind.

Just the way he describes women’s bodies as just a resource to be re-distributed, and not living and feeling people, calling it “reparations” and asking women to “simply opening their legs” and allowing the men they’d normally reject have sex with them, emphasis on simply because he treats it like just a bit of work, and not the rape that it would be, and referring to all women collectively as “whores” makes my skin crawl.

A persons’s body is their private property. So why should the rest of society get to decide that said person should not be allowed to rent their body to others if they wish to do so? Men buying sex are buying a service. When you rent something you don’t own it, you’re paying for permission to use it and the owner gets to decide at their sole discretion, the TOS and can refuse/revoke access for any reason they see fit.

FYI: “Jack Corbin” is actually Daniel W. McMahon.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

No one cares about your fragile ego.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@doethreetwoone

I would suggest that sex workers are more akin to professionals (lawyers, dentists, architects etc.) than workers in the classical sense.

Very well. The main reason I referred to them as sex workers was that’s what other people on this forum said was the correct term for people selling sex.

Professions are also generally self-governing, which (considering the history of outsiders attempting to govern sex work) would seem like the best way to govern the sex work profession.

I will not try to argue one way or the other, but I could easily come up with plenty of examples of various trades and professions, left to govern themselves without government interference, have led to various forms of abuse and self-governing is no guarantee against it.

@kupo
Once again it feels like you have completely misunderstood what I’m trying to say. What I’ve been trying to ask is how could society normalize men buying sex without it resulting in a large number of said men starting to treat women’s bodies as a product to be bought as opposed to a mutual transaction between two persons?

But I just feel like whatever I say you will interpret it in the most negative way possible, so I will not argue further on this.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@Nowherepants

A persons’s body is their private property. So why should the rest of society get to decide that said person should not be allowed to rent their body to others if they wish to do so? Men buying sex are buying a service. When you rent something you don’t own it, you’re paying for permission to use it and the owner gets to decide at their sole discretion, the TOS and can refuse/revoke access for any reason they see fit.

I just want to say that if you want to convince people that sex work doesn’t lead to objectification of women, talking about their bodies as their “property” and comparing it to inanimate goods that can be rented and used isn’t helping.

If you want to say that people should be allowed to perform whatever services they want and do whatever life choices they want, you should stick to that, and avoid comparing human bodies to objects.

Regardless of what you all think of my other opinions, can we please all agree that comparing persons to inanimate objects is bad?

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus
Stop continuing this argument. You’ve been asked multiple times.

Nowherepants
Nowherepants
2 years ago

No one cares about your fragile ego.

Dude, this isn’t about me, it’s about them. Vive la difference.

If you want to say that people should be allowed to perform whatever services they want and do whatever life choices they want, you should stick to that, and avoid comparing human bodies to objects.

You’re nitpicking about semantics because certain references, no matter how accurate, offend your sensibilities. If you feel threatened by a persons lifestyle that does not affect you, that’s your problem.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@kupo
I’m not trying to continue it, but am I allowed to say Nowherepants argument that literally compared human bodies to objects was bad?

@Nowherepants

You’re nitpicking about semantics because certain references, no matter how accurate, offend your sensibilities.

I have done my best to change my wording whenever people have pointed out to me that they found the language I used dehumanizing, but does this rule not apply to all people here?

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus

Nowherepants is a troll who just hasn’t been banned quite yet. We’ve tried to get them to stop being an ass, but trolls are impervious to reasonable requests. Don’t let them work you up.

Nowherepants
Nowherepants
2 years ago

Nowherepants is a troll who just hasn’t been banned quite yet. We’ve tried to get them to stop being an ass, but trolls are impervious to reasonable requests. Don’t let them work you up.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yup! Anyone who dissents is a “troll”.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@Catalpa
I see, thanks for pointing this out.
The fact that Nowherepants claim to be dissenting right after stating an opinion most here were already defending (and the whole comlaining about my sensibilities being too offended on a feminist blog) does support your point.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Anyone who dissents is a “troll”.

I just had a multi-page argument with Scanisaurus a few days ago and I still don’t think she’s a troll, so that’s clearly not true.

But if it makes you feel better to think that it’s your brave contrarian stance that’s making me call you a troll, and not your trollish behavior, then go off, I guess.

Aaron
Aaron
2 years ago

@Scanisaurus, I don’t even entirely disagree with your views on sex work.

But it’s obvious that this is not a productive line of discussion, and if I were you I’d just drop it. An inability to let go of personal hobbyhorses is, in my experience, the primary reason non-trolls get banned or put on moderation around here.

ivy_diode
ivy_diode
2 years ago

doethreetwoone
April 8, 2019 at 5:53 am
Hold up.

If the discussion is about Left Wing Traitor Women: wouldn’t that imply that the women at issue are no longer left wing or at least that they betrayed the left wing somehow?

I… ugh I am disgusted that I recognize this. But I think OP means “traitor” the same way white supremacists talk about white “race traitors” – white people who are opposed to white supremacy. So in the context it would be white women opposed to fucking incel men. IE the girls these dudes want to fuck, which of course he’s assuming are all left wing (because why else but left wing beliefs wouldn’t a woman want to fuck a seething ball of sexist resentment dressed in cargo shorts?)

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@Aaron
Indeed, I agree with everything you just said and will do my best not to bring up this discussion more here.

Doethreetwoone
Doethreetwoone
2 years ago

@ivy_diode

I’m not sure that analogy helps clarify matters. A race traitor has “betrayed” their race. By extension, wouldn’t a Left Wing Traitor be one who has “betrayed” the left wing?

Or we may be looking for logic in all the wrong places.

As an aside: please don’t besmirch the good name of cargo shorts by association. They are the pinnacle of form and function. I can fit two 6 oz milk bottles, wipes, a changing pad, spare diapers in my cargo shorts and I AM NOT GIVING THEM UP! Its not their fault that sewer dwellers also recognize their glorious appeal.

Tovius
2 years ago

@Doethreetwoone
It’s a left-wing person who is also a traitor (who in their minds is probably everyone who is left-wing)

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

OT (because I need to think about something not terrible), but I rewatched Top Secret! this past weekend and that movie is as hilarious today as it was the first time I saw it as a kid. It flabbergasts me that it wasn’t received as well as Airplane! when it hit theatres because of all the spoof films I’ve seen, it’s probably the one that best kept the humour free of dated references and made use of the tropes of the genres to the best effect, playing the film almost entirely straight, but peppering goofy sight gags during the serious parts or taking a cliche and playing it up to totally absurd levels.

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I get the impression that a lot of folks my age have seen it, but in case there are any younger folks that haven’t, it’s a sadly overlooked gem of a comedy.

This is still probably my favourite bit:

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Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@Katamount
I always felt like modern spoofs were unfunny parades of dated memes and random gross-out scenes, and these gif’s alone are funnier than many of these “comedies” in their entirety.

I definitively have to put Top Secret! on my to-watch list!

mothkiller
mothkiller
2 years ago

@Katamount

When I was a kid I loved the sight gags in Airplane!, but as I’ve gotten older it’s shifted to the linguistic jokes.

I think my favorite joke in the whole movie this gem that points to the innate ambiguity of the English language.

Dr. Rumack : Captain, how soon can you land?

Captain Oveur : I can’t tell.

Dr. Rumack : You can tell me. I’m a doctor.

Captain Oveur : No. I mean I’m just not sure.

Dr. Rumack : Well, can’t you take a guess?

Captain Oveur : Well, not for another two hours.

Dr. Rumack : You can’t take a guess for another two hours?

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

Katamount – great movie. My favorite? When the hero thinks he missed all his high school finals, and it turns out it was a bad dream: he wakes up and discovers that, in reality, he’s just being tortured by the Gestapo… (“Oh thank God!”)

Rachel B
Rachel B
2 years ago

Respectfully, I find Scanisaurus’ commentary to be interesting and thought-provoking. I have not found S’s discussion of sex work to be outrageously one-sided or disrespectful. I do not necessarily agree with everything said, but I believe it is worth saying, and discussing.

KZ
KZ
2 years ago

I hope this clown’s on a watchlist. Because wow.

Anyway IDK if anyone here follows WWE stuff but Bret Hart was attacked on saturday during his hall of fame induction speech
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/04/man-who-attacked-bret-hart-at-hof-identified-652829/

The attacker was identified and on twitter he posted a comment calling the fact that women were main eventing Wrestlemania (the biggest show WWE has every year) was a “major setback to the human race” so he’s a weirdo misogynist and well within this site’s wheelhouse.

CarrieV
CarrieV
2 years ago

This shit-for-soul is openly, literally, UNDENIABLY advocating FOR rape.

I know everyone else here is already saying this. But this garbage-human is very likely among the same garbage-humans who say that rape only happens when it’s a Black or Muslim guy being accused, that most rape accusations are FALSE rape allegations, and that “raped” women just regret the consensual sex they had and want to ruin the guy so she won’t look like a slut.

I’ve had this moronic argument with his type many thousands of times. They just refuse to comprehend that unwanted sex (without even semi-enthusiastic consent) IS rape, and IS terrible. And this fucko is brazenly suggesting it as a way to “prevent” the mas murders of his brethren.

Tosca, Chaos made Flesh, Servant of the Purring Jew
Tosca, Chaos made Flesh, Servant of the Purring Jew
2 years ago

So if we can identify potential shooters reliably enough to allow them to rape women…

…we can identify them reliably enough to jail them before they kill people. Which seems to me a better solution than allowing them to rape women. Just saying.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

The rise of Jordan Peterson is one of those things where you scratch your head and ask “Why him?” Canada has its share of right wing personalities, so why wouldn’t it have been say right wing radio call in show host Charles Adler they suddenly latched onto? Gavin McInnes helped create Vice Media, and used that familiarity to build his fanbase when he decided to become openly asshole. Before his 2016 screeds about Bill C16 he was pretty much unknown outside academic circles.

Of course this isn’t the first time Americans have latched onto something Canadian for unclear reasons. Just after the September 11th attacks a commentary called “The Americans,” written by Canadian journalist and commentator Gordon Sinclair, circulated in various quarters. What was odd was that Sinclair wrote it in 1973, and that he died in 1984. It had gotten quite a bit of American attention after its original appearance, but how it got revived almost years later, presented as a contemporary piece, is unclear.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

Ooops, that should be

Before his 2016 screeds about Bill C16 Peterson was pretty much unknown outside academic circles.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Jack, Jack, hate to break it to you, but I’m not sure you’re cut out for writing erotica. “Allowing yourself to get plowed” has all the allure of “getting run over by a tractor.” And I’m not sure I’d even recommend you to the Randomly Capitalizing Words genre.

@Katamount – Off topic, but that “Find Him and Kill Him” stamp made me giggle. Reminds me of the stamps my dad has – he’s a librarian, and while he hasn’t stamped a library card for 15+ years, he still uses stamps like that on new accessions.

I wonder if spy agencies still use physical stamps. You’d think they could take care of things like that digitally…but this is far, far out of my field of expertise. 🙂

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
2 years ago

@Rachel B
I don’t feel like I can discuss this further here when so many people have disagreed with me on principle and told me my opinions on the matter are unwelcome on this blog, but I’m glad you found my arguments worth reading at least.

@tim gueguen

The rise of Jordan Peterson is one of those things where you scratch your head and ask “Why him?”

My guess is that it’s partially due to him being a professor, and looking and talking like most people expect a professor to do, which gives him an air of legitimacy, combined with the fact that he’s been smart enough to wrap all his words into enough vagueness and metaphors to give him plausible deniability on anyone calling him out on being pro-fascist or sexist, unlike most other alt-right personalities whom almost invariably slip up and use awful slurs on the regular.

Simply put, he’s mastered the art of telling the alt-right exactly what they want to hear without being labeled alt-right by most of the mainstream himself.