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Check out my piece for NBC News on how the most toxic beliefs of MRAs have seeped into the alt-right

Christopher Cantwell, Men’s Rights Activist turned Neo-Nazi, showing off one of the guns he brought to Charlottesville to a reporter from Vice

By David Futrelle

I‘ve got a piece up today at NBC News THINK explaining how one of the most toxic ideas popularized by the Men’s Rights movement has helped to fuel the hateful ideology of the alt-right.

Specifically, I look at the way the misogynistic notion of “hypergamy” — as defined by a white nationalist, popularized by Men’s Rights Activists, MGTOWs and “Red Pillers” generally, then fed back to the right — underlies the alt-right’s obsession with, and insecurities about, “cucking,” both on a personal and cultural level, which the alt-right weaponizes in its attacks on immigrants. Misogyny feeds into racism, and vice versa.

From the article:

This fear of female sexual “disloyalty” has its roots in the notion of “hypergamy,” a discredited evolutionary psychology theory promulgated by Men’s Rights Activists and similar anti-woman communities convinced that women are biologically wired to abandon loyal “beta males” as soon as an alpha walks by. Men’s Rights Activist Paul Elam several years ago wrote that it drives “women outside their marriages for more sexually exciting adventures … with physically superior male specimens” who can provide both better sex and more masculine genes for her offspring. Elam, like many other proponents of the spurious theory, is convinced that a huge percentage of married men are unknowingly raising children that aren’t their own. (Multiple studies, meanwhile, suggest the actual number is around 1 or 2 percent and has been for hundreds of years.)

“Alt-rightists” have taken [this] notion one step further, attacking white women not only for allegedly cuckolding their husbands but also for cuckolding their race by dating and having children with non-white men. In a 2015 post on The Daily Stormer, neo-Nazi polemicist Andrew Anglin denounced what he called “the greasiest cuckolding of all,” declaring, in all seriousness, that “[t]he White European female’s craving for Black d— threatens to collapse civilization itself.”

There’s a lot more to the piece, but that’s the key argument. You can read it here.

The piece has already inspired some deep thought and introspection among right-wingers.

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lets get this straight,  David wrote an article claiming that women find him irresistible because he hates his own race & his gender, and lacks self  confidence... BUT dave claims that women find him IRRESISTIBLE lmao
#altright #whitegenocide

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JS
JS
2 years ago

I thought MRAs were just a subset of the alt-right, or basically started it. I don’t see them as separate. Not arguing with your overall point, just saying I don’t see them as necessarily separate groups.

lilome
lilome
2 years ago

Good summary for people catching up. One nit though — I get really frustrated that Andrew Anglin/weev gets to code switch his names.

Whenever we see that name we should remember that he pioneered the misogynistic harassment campaign, threatening tech journalist Kathy Sierra with violent and personal threats and prompting her to leave the industry. He later, after coming out of prison with a fresh swastika tattoo, mentored Milo Yinnopolis and Steve Bannon in the same techniques, punishing women for being involved in video games in the campaign known as GamerGate.

And now he works to keep Stormfront online.

The rageful harassment of women in public spaces isn’t just a side show of the alt-right — it’s baked in; and master chef Andrew Anglin/ Anonymous imp weev has been at the mixing bowl.

cornychips
cornychips
2 years ago

That last tweet by TruthSpeech, has me confused. Irresistible, but ALSO irresistible?

Waaahh? Help me out here peeps. I’m working on a migraine and my brain gets cloudy. I don’t understand it.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

Having just read the article, can someone point out the bit where David goes on about how irresistible he is? I seem to have missed it.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

Da fuq is the Twittiot on about?

Why aren’t conservatives capable of reading for comprehension rather than projection?

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

… David wrote an article claiming that women find him irresistible…

Yes, that is exactly what he wrote.

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Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

@lilome:

Good summary for people catching up. One nit though — I get really frustrated that Andrew Anglin/weev gets to code switch his names.

They’re two separate people. weev’s real name is Andrew Auernheimer. Yes, I know it’s difficult distinguishing two such pieces of shit: that their initials are both AA is probably the root of the confusion. Also, I think Auernheimer has written for the Daily Stormer from time to time and helped out on the technical side of things.

zaunfink
zaunfink
2 years ago

@rabid rabitt

Well, by saying that what they claim isn’t true he says that he hasn’t experienced it which means he must be irresistible to women because women not behaving like hypergamous assholes towards you means you’re so irresistible they want you more than random alphas that cross their path. And of course he’s only writing that article to promote himself and his dicks magic attraction powers, because that’s the only reason people would ever write something.

It couldn’t possibly be that hypergamy is absolute bullshit (as an evolutionary concept) and that most men aren’t obsessed with constantly proclaiming their own greatness to compensate for their insecurities. No way would David write an article because he’s an expert on the topic and because he wants to make the world a better place.

Incelsior
Incelsior
2 years ago

On the 29th of March, PROOF of the incel platform – a genuine black pill nuke – was posted on a mainstream news site, with data draw from a reputable aggregator.

Now you can’t claim you haven’t seen it, even though you will. Reality is gradually revealing itself to be in league with the incels, and (therefore) the enemy of SJWs and neutered white knights such as yourself.

Do you even have the balls to engage this at all? How do you respond, David? Show that you have some balls, however shrunken.

No? Yeah, I thought so.

Blackpill nuke: March 29th, 2019.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ Incelsior

That article suggests the main reason for the statistical off in sexual activity is older people are a growing demographic, and that’s a group that has less sex generally.

Secondary reasons are:

1. Fewer young people can afford their own accommodation, so there’s less opportunity to live with partners than there used to be.

2. People have less money to spend on going out; so there’s fewer opportunities to meet potential sexual partners.

3. There’s more stuff to do now, like video games; internet, streaming movies at home; so people are less reliant on sex as entertainment.

Don’t see how any of those support the incel hypotheses about hypergamy or whatever is you’re whinging about this week.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

LOL.

@Incelsior

So, same kind of logic as anti-vaxxers, pointing to rising autism rates and claiming it’s proof positive that vaccines are the cause. Gotcha. Very impressive, totally connected with reality, no conclusions jumped to at all.

And I can think of a lot of genuinely good reasons young men might be having less sex. Things like, you know, more women feeling empowered to say no, instead of just go along with it out of fear and exhastion. And maybe, just maybe, more men being willing to take that no for an answer. Also maybe less social emphasis on sex as a right of passage, better sex ed, less peer pressure, greater awareness of STD risks, and more relaxed attitudes towards non-PIV sex acts that “don’t count”.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
2 years ago

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Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
2 years ago

@Incelsior – How about how maybe now men are finding it more socially acceptable to admit to not having sex? These statistics are all *self reported*, and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen an article talking about how women round *down* the number of sexual partners (and perhaps also how often they have sex) and men round *up*.

Women round down because they don’t want to be considered sluts.

Men round up because they want to be considered studs.

There’s a weird thing going on here… What would one call it? Oh right, a double standard. Now, typically I would use the same bullshit you were saying to put this back on you, and ‘call you to action’ (as it were) in the same way, hoping to goad you into a response.

But, frankly, I have too much class to refer to someone specific’s genitals without a pre-existing agreement. (which we do not have, rando on the internet)

Also, wtf my dude, why would small testicles mean you have courage? I can’t wait for your response explaining how it’s totally cool to police people’s bodies, maybe in a way that would make the people being policed (ones with testicles) to feel like they need to exaggerate about them.

Almost like how men feel like they need to exaggerate about sexual partners and instances of sex…..

It’s getting to be more acceptable for men to just *be*, and not need to be the ultra-masculine leader of a household who is bangin’ chicks left and right because THAT’S HOW WE SHOW THAT WE ARE MEN, AMIRITE?????

With your references to small testicles, and the inferrence we are supposed to make on how that makes the person you are addressing less of a man, I am left to wonder something. Could… Could it be that you are part of the problem, here?

Viscaria
Viscaria
2 years ago

Do you even have the balls to engage this at all? How do you respond, David? Show that you have some balls, however shrunken.

No? Yeah, I thought so.

I was just wondering if you knew you left these two paragraphs in the same comment.

cornychips
cornychips
2 years ago

Oh goodie, our first troll challenging David to a debate. L-fucking-ol. Incelsior must be new here. So cute when they’re young and full of bravado.

I had a feeling this would article would attract a new flock of seagulls (and I guess now a pod of lobsters too!).

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

My fiance and I always wonder where he would fall in on the alpha beta thing. First he’s a huge nerd who plays magic the gathering and rpgs and he’s under 6ft tall. But then he’s also a marine and in the best shape of his life. We’ve done the whole I’ve sat on his back and watch him do 50 push up sort of thing. Also he’s very attractive (to me he’s the most gorgeous man I’ve ever seen. Sorry Tom hiddleston) and yet instead of spending his 20s sleeping around with ever woman he can he met me and decided he wants to get married and have a family with me. Its almost like the alpha beta thing is bullshit and doesn’t actually exist in reality as we know it and is just a thing some sad misogynist made up to explain why no one wants to touch them or be near them.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ lainy

Aww; that is so sweet!

See if you can do the pretending to be a kettlebell whilst he does a Turkish Get-up thing. That looks so cool.

Meteor
2 years ago

Like anyone wants to go out with Andrew Anglin or Christopher Cantwell anyway.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

@Meteor given the paranoia in extreme right circles some extreme right women may not want to get involved with the big names, out of (unwarranted) fear of being with them when someone tries to assassinate them.

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

Incelsior wrote on
April 1, 2019 at 3:58 pm:

Reality is gradually revealing itself to be in league with the incels

http://i.imgflip.com/1ks505.jpg

You have not offered proof that men are involuntarily abstaining from sex (i.e. that they’re not volcel), nor that they are doing so out of a sense of helplessness (i.e. that they are being blackpilled).

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@Incelsior

Sex is great but you ever have a pie. A pie with a good scope of home made vanilla ice cream on it and black bate sprinkles.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

@ Lainy,

Its almost like the alpha beta thing is bullshit and doesn’t actually exist in reality as we know it and is just a thing some sad misogynist made up to explain why no one wants to touch them or be near them.

Every comment of yours I read, I go “I’d totally hang out with her!” And the way you talk about your fiance is lovely. I feel the same about my husband. We’ve also wondered where he’d fall on the (bullshit) beta/alpha thing; he’s a farmer, so pretty fit and stereotypically manly…so, alpha?
But he also works off-farm helping people with developmental needs…so, beta? He’s also a big nerd, so…more beta? He’s also Muslim, which seems to make a lot of alt-righters get all paranoid in terms of “their” women being seduced away by “those” men…so, alpha again?

All in all…could it be…that this whole ranking and rating system is a total crock?!

PS, Lainy, now I want dessert!

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
2 years ago

Like, if there’s a significant segment of the male population that wants sex with a partner but isn’t getting it, so what? I’m not getting any, either, for reasons beyond my control. Whoop de doo.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@Bookworm

Ah, but Muslim men feel they have to keep their women all oppressed and concealed and locked up, so clearly they’re not secure about them, and built up this whole oppressive system to keep their women with them instead of relying on their innate alphaness to keep said women tied to them, so, institutionally more beta again.

BUT! At the top of that system, they were alpha enough to have four wives and tons of concubines, and to have actual eunuchs (as opposed to mere betas) guarding them, so alpha as hell!

Except — wait. They had to use eunuchs, because otherwise the wives and concubines would cuck them with the beta guards. So insecure betas again. Plus the critical system failure that such men would be alpha enough to get that many women, except then it turns out to be mathematically impossible to keep that many women sexually satisfied at the same time, unless you let them be lesbians with each other, which is really hot except that (again, mathematically, which we know these guys are good at) sometimes they might lez it up when you’re not around to watch. Which means that they’re… um… uh…

Yeah, I’ve got no idea how things turn out in that case.

(By the way, I mentioned this in an older thread, but it may have slipped by you at that point — were you aware of this just being published? https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/mar/26/its-not-about-the-burqa-muslim-women-faith-feminism-sexuality-race-essays-mariam-khan-review)

MsEdgyNation
MsEdgyNation
2 years ago

David was TOTALLY bragging about being a pussy magnet if you read between the lines and apply simple, twisted logic. He wrote an article critical of MRA / alt-right / incel “culture”, thus implying that he himself is not a whinging nazi who can’t get laid. Not an incel = irresistible to women! Eureka!

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

Do you even have the balls to engage this at all? How do you respond

Why on Earth would testicles be needed to respond to an internet discussion invitation???

Lawd have mercy I DO NOT UNDERSTAND technology….

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

Didn’t da Vinci think the seminal ducts were directly connected to the spine? In which case testicles are directly connected to the brain, so it makes some sort of sense. (And da Vinci was a white dude, so he must have been right.)

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

@ Rabid Rabbit, that mathematical complexity you described, that’s the whole reason we invented algebra!

Thanks for the link; I don’t remember if I saw it or not, but I’ll check it out!

@ Weird Eddie, NOT thank you for that truly appalling mental image… *shudders* @ Rabbit, da Vinci may have been white, but aren’t we pretty sure he was also gay (I know modern concepts of sexuality and orientation don’t always apply when talking about historical situations, but still). So I assume the incel-dudes would not be ok with him?

(For the record, I saw Da Vinci’s statue at the Uffizi museum in Florence, and had a picnic on the steps below his feet. So that’s my connection to him. 😁)

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

Oh, come on, do you really expect them to know enough about da Vinci to be aware that he was, by our definitions, flamingly, flamingly gay?

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

do you really expect them to know enough

…I live in hope? 😉

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Gonna be completely honest I have no idea what that is.

@Bookworm in hijab

There is nothing like a fresh baked, home made, warm gooseberry pie with a big glob of ice cream on it. I had to hide the second one because I leave sweets like that out in the open and it’s gone the next day with my roommates. Also my fiancé probably doesn’t fit the right mold for them either since he’s not white. He’s Latino.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

There speaketh a teacher. I shall bring flowers to your hope’s grave. :p

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@LindsayIrene

I’m with you. I don’t care if ever single “incel” lives their lives and dies without ever having sex. It’s not the end of the world and it doesn’t make a life any worth living. They can masturbate like the rest of us and get over themselves. Out of all the bullshit Mr.David brings to our attention I probably have the most disgust for incels. They act like being sexless is a crime against humanity.

Drungarios
Drungarios
2 years ago

Not gonna lie, I was simultaneously relieved and disheartened by the findings cited in the WaPo article. You see, for the past two and a half years, I’ve been, well, I guess, an incel (or, as we used to say, suffering a dry spell-far more accurate). I was relieved to know that it wasn’t just me, that there were greater social and economic forces at work, and disheartened because, well shit, I can’t do much about that, now can I?

However, I never once blamed a nebulous feminist conspiracy or hypergamy or whatever. More than likely, the factors mentioned above are to blame. That said, I do think dating apps have also played a role, given how they’ve dehumanized and commodified the dating experience. On the other hand, it’s not like feminists invented Tinder.

P.S. Based on my experience, I suspect that another factor is that folks no longer feel obligated to sleep with people they’re not actually attracted to. I could have made a positive contribution to the statistics, but I also have, ya know, standards, so I’d rather go unlaid.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

You see, for the past two and a half years, I’ve been, well, I guess, an incel (or, as we used to say, suffering a dry spell-far more accurate).

Incel is not synonymous with dry spell. It is a very specific ideology that people self-identify as. Be very careful not to conflate the two or call yourself the former if that’s not actually the case.

That said, I do think dating apps have also played a role, given how they’ve dehumanized and commodified the dating experience.

They only do that if you use them that way. For introverts like my husband and I, they gave us the opportunity to actually meet.

Miri
Miri
2 years ago

Wow, TruthSpeaks has, um, a really cohesive and well-thought-out argument. I just can’t disagree with him.

(that was sarcasm, in case you couldn’t tell)

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
2 years ago

Nice article.

Sex droughts. I regularly experienced these – of up two years or so – as a heterosexual woman when I was unpartnered and also while married. I was not happy about it.

Now that I’m getting close to 50, I am not experiencing a sex drought. I’ve had more sex in the past two years than I did in almost 20 years of marriage. Yay!

Incels would describe him as pretty ‘beta’, but whatevs. He suits me. We do our best to make each other happy.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Reality is gradually revealing itself to be in league with the incels, and (therefore) the enemy of SJWs and neutered white knights such as yourself.

Do you even have the balls to engage this at all? How do you respond, David? Show that you have some balls, however shrunken.

No? Yeah, I thought so.

Thank the Goddess that Incelsior had the courage to assert that David’s balls are at best shrunken — and possibly nonexistent — thus challenging David’s claim that he’s irresistible (and also irresistible!) to women.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

I dunno, Kat…David may be irresistible to women, but he’s not irresistible to women.

He can’t be, because those are mutually exclusive.

So stick to your claims of being irresistible to women, David, but don’t try to claim that you’re also irresistible to women. That’s just taking it too far.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
2 years ago

Nice article Dave.

Useful to have something to refer others to online when I fear referring a newbie straight into a WHTM maelstrom of what looks like impenetrable jargon to a casual visitor wouldn’t be really effective. A stand alone piece is quite handy.

Drungarios
Drungarios
2 years ago

@Kupo

Sorry, I should have clarified. I don’t consider myself an incel, nor have I ever (and I suspect the incel community wouldn’t either, given that I’ve, y’know, had sex before). I only referenced because I wanted to point out to Incelsior that 1, he’s not the only one, and 2, it’s possible to not get laid and also not succumb to batshit conspiracy theories.

I’m also an introvert, and I was initially excited about dating apps for that reason. However, after two years of mostly radio silence, ghosting, fading, being stood up, and the occasional awkward date, it’s just become exhausting and demoralizing. I dunno if it’s the city I live in, something about me, or just plain bad luck, but online dating stopped being fun and started being a chore. I decided to do myself a favor and swore off apps for my New Year’s resolution, and while I’m still alone, I think I’m happier for it. The folks I know who are most successful on apps treat it as a numbers game, and maybe they’re right, but that’s just not how I operate.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

The folks I know who are most successful on apps treat it as a numbers game, and maybe they’re right, but that’s just not how I operate.

I know folks who do that, but I never did. And I never would have met anyone that shares my interests by going out and doing things I’m not interested in. I made dating apps work by ignoring all profiles with red flags and reaching out to all the ones I was actually interested in. And it took me 2 years of dealing with verbal abuse from random strangers to find someone, but it did work out. I’m not saying it works for everyone, but if you treat it like a numbers game *you’re* the one dehumanizing the dating experience.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
2 years ago

And it took me 2 years of dealing with verbal abuse from random strangers to find someone

I think I’d rather stay celibate. Yikes.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@LindsayIrene
Yeah, men are pretty awful when no one but a woman can see their messages.

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
2 years ago

Well I, for one, am consistently attracted to David’s irresistible hot, hot wording and analysis.

Leia
Leia
2 years ago

It’s funny, I saw the title of the article linked on Facebook and thought, “Well yeah, anyone who’s been reading We Hinted the Mammoth for the last 5 years knows THAT,” then clicked on the article and saw who wrote it!

Alexis Filth
2 years ago

I had a dry spell.
A 10 year section of my life where the only time I’d get laid was when I either asked my spouse (and they accommodated while not being interested in it) or went on grindr, which was something I did very rarely.

Then we realized the reason my spouse had lost their sex drive was from dysphoria. Now that he’s on T and living as the man he always was I’m getting crazy sex, kinky sex too.
Of course, I’ve since figured out I’m nonbinary.
So I’m not sure which of us is the beta cuck in this scenario.
Pls Halp Mr Incelsior, I need to know if I’m the beta or if my trans husband is. I’m so confused.

Oh, wait, nevermind, I’m fine.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Gaebolga, @David F.

I dunno, Kat…David may be irresistible to women, but he’s not irresistible to women.

He can’t be, because those are mutually exclusive.

So stick to your claims of being irresistible to women, David, but don’t try to claim that you’re also irresistible to women. That’s just taking it too far.

***

At the moment I don’t really have anything to add to what people here have already said.

David F., as Gaebolga pointed out, you can’t have it both ways.

Nor can you duck the subject.

You have a responsibility as a journalist to disavow one of your claims.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

David may be irresistible to women, but he’s not irresistible to women.

Maybe it’s one of those quantum mechanics things; where he can be both simultaneously. David is just cats in an overcoat after all.