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Brain genius Stefan Molyneux: ADHD is caused by dumb immigrants and shitty single moms

Stefan hits another low note

By David Futrelle

Blabby racist YouTube “philosopher” Stefan Molyneux is brain geniusing again, and it’s not pretty. Though he’s not a doctor, or a psychologist, or really qualified to offer opinions on any subject at all, Mr. M has discovered the cause of ADHD — and conveniently enough it’s a group of people he hates: immigrants!

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1103180523009060864

I guess the scare quotes around “ADHD” also indicate that the disorder he has just solved isn’t really a disorder in the first place.

But wait, I’m hearing that there’s another cause of this imaginary thing called ADHD, also according to Mr. Molyneux. It’s single moms!

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1103340037528117249
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1110683824415899648

But wait, you may say, if the problem is absent dads, aren’t the absent dads themselves kind of to blame?

No, because in Molyneux World, absent dads are caused by bad moms.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1075516599484919808

Heads, it’s bad moms; tails, it’s bad moms.

In conclusion, everything is always the fault of someone who isn’t a white dude.

Always good to check in with dear old Stefan and his little nuggets of wisdom.

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tim gueguen
1 year ago

Steffie’s got it all wrong. It’s Rush Limbaugh’s fault. How many of us heard of ADHD before Limbaugh became well known? Checkmate!

Karalora
Karalora
1 year ago

Same old, same old. Men are not responsible for their own bad behavior; it’s all women’s fault for not punishing the men enough. And this flagrant irresponsibility on the part of women proves that they cannot be trusted with any societal power and it must all be hoarded by men…whose bad behavior is a given, remember.

gijoel
gijoel
1 year ago

It’s amazing how much money you can make by making arsehole feel good about being arsehole.

zombiefishgirl
zombiefishgirl
1 year ago

Also notice in this “theory” (used in the loosest possible terms), that girls/women/POC do not ever have ADHD themselves? It is all just “creative white boys”

S. P.
S. P.
1 year ago

Well, I guess that solves my quandary. Here I was thinking that I might have ADHD, what with my inability to concentrate and my RSD and my “being still causes physical pain” and my self-medicating through maladaptive overstimulation and my autism and shit. But since I’m Jewish, DFAB, and have two present and loving dads, it must be just….personal crappiness or something.

(Seriously, though, I am deliberating over whether or not I have ADHD proper, or whether it’s just my autism and anxiety playing tag-team on my ability to do anything. I have been both diagnosed and un-diagnosed with ADHD, and Adderall doesn’t work on me, but I have trouble concentrating to the point that it’s seriously affecting my life.)

Shalimar
Shalimar
1 year ago

ADHD proper is a chemical imbalance, and Adderall produces a totally different reaction in people who have it as opposed to those who don’t. If you don’t feel the effect calming your brain so you can think more clearly, you’re probably right that your attention problems are due to something else.

Flora
Flora
1 year ago

I’m a third generation ADHDer. (Do we have a cool name for ourselves? Help me, Internet) My grandmother, my dad, me. We were all raised by both parents. The fourth generation back were immigrants.

Maybe we are reading him all wrong and what he means is that ADHD goes up in proportion to immigration because immigration CAUSES ADHD. The bullshit racism could be a non-sequitur. It is Molyneux, after all.

JRichard
JRichard
1 year ago

Yknow what’s funny? This reminds me so much of how doctors in France diagnose autism, “it’s a psychological problem caused by rejection from the mother” or something like that.

S. P.
S. P.
1 year ago

@Shalimar

Thanks for the advice, but at the same time ARGHLBARGLR I WANT A SOLUTION TO THE THING THAT IS RUINING MY LIFE

Shalimar
Shalimar
1 year ago

@S.P.

absolutely understand the frustration. there are other drugs than adderall that work in different ways that you can try. And ruling out ADHD completely doesn’t provide a solution, but at least it would narrow down the possible explanations/treatments.

Steph
Steph
1 year ago

I am still utterly at a loss as to how men asking women out means women have greater choice?

For starters you could argue that the expectation for women to wait for men to approach them means they have far less choice (as they can only select from the ones asking them.)

Secondly the man is still CHOOSING who to approach. They don’t ask any and every woman to date them. So both parties equally are making choices.

But I forget. I am trying to find logic in misogyny land. First rule of misogyny: A Woman is always to blame.

epronovost
epronovost
1 year ago

He forgot to blame video games, T.V, Internet, social media, vaccines, toxin in the water, GMOs, safe space and anti-bullying rules in schools.

3/10, not a very woke guy.

/sarcasm

Michael Suttkus, II
Michael Suttkus, II
1 year ago

So, I was diagnosed with ADHD (now it would be ADHD-i, I suppose) in the seventies. Strangely, I was raised in a two-parent household. Maybe that guy wasn’t my real father or something? I mean, it’s not like Stefan Molyneux might be blithering on topics he knows nothing about, right?

It’s weird to see a right-winger complain about the dumbing down of education, given it’s mostly Republicans trying to ruin education in this country. There’s a bill in the Florida congress now to get rid of science requirements for high-school graduates, and it’s got nothing to do with making things easier on immigrants, but just making sure nobody learns any science that Republicans hate, which is most science.

Meanwhile, I have shiny internet things to be distracted by.

Lil
Lil
1 year ago

l was afab and identify as female, and my parents have been together since I was born. And yet I do have adhd. Guess I don’t exist? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll be sure to fuck with Stephen if I ever have the misfortune to meet him in real life, he’ll probably be really scared of things moving without someone holding them.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 year ago

This “argument” is so tired and specious.

Step 1: Ignore the medical definition of ADHD.

Step 2: Redefine ADHD vaguely as “boys will be boys”.

Step 3: Rage at the medical establishment/ schools/Western institutions for pathologizing “normal male behavior” (ie boys who flout rules and disrespect female authority).

Step 4: Blame the moms for separating from the dads, because otherwise how is Junior gonna learn how to shit all over women if women behave with self-respect and walk away from a bad relationship? How’s he going to grow up to be a stern disciplinarian if Dad isn’t there to show him how to cheat, gaslight, and belittle?

None of which has anything to do with actual ADHD, or single parenthood, but whatever.

vaiyt
vaiyt
1 year ago

This kind of thing is par for the course when it comes to Stefan “literally everything ever is about my mommy issues” Molyneux. After he blamed the fall of the Roman Empire on neglectful moms, however, I feel he never quite reached the same level.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
1 year ago

@ Flora:

Maybe we are reading him all wrong and what he means is that ADHD goes up in proportion to immigration because immigration CAUSES ADHD.

Maybe ADHD causes immigration? Because of the not being able to sit still in one place? /sarcasm

fiercebadrabbit
fiercebadrabbit
1 year ago

I’m gonna have to tell my current students with ADHD that they’re white. And half of them that they’re male. Those’ll be some weird revelations.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

Molynucks’ barf reminds me that before the Enlightenment, everybody in the west solved problems by just thinking real hard at them.

Conservatives still do.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie wrote on
March 28, 2019 at 9:06 pm:

Molynucks’ barf reminds me that before the Enlightenment, everybody in the west solved problems by just thinking real hard at them.

Conservatives still do.

That statement needs air quotes around “everybody”, “west”, “solved”, and “thinking”, because that’s a laughable caricature that Rationalists™ and white nationalists alike think is true*, but has very little actual connection with how shit actually got done.

*For vastly different reasons; Rationalists™ like to use the Dark Ages as a large stick to beat people with while illuminated by the light of the burning Library of Alexandra, and white nationalists like to imagine Re-Becoming the Greatness that We Never Weren’t, because everybody knows that Greece and Rome became preeminent powers because of democracy and philosopher-kings and not, y’know, vast amounts of slave labor.

Rickstick@gmail.com
Rickstick@gmail.com
1 year ago

High IQ man apparently doesn’t understand spurious correlations.

rick
rick
1 year ago

High IQ man doesn’t understand spurious correlations.

Tovius
Tovius
1 year ago

Me and my sister and dad all have ADHD. I don’t have enough middle fingers for this guy.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

My elder son had two fathers, and he was still diagnosed with ADHD.

That said, he got a really bad shake of the genetic dice from his birth parents.

JRichard – I’ve read about that – Lacanian psychoanalysts sitting in their offices with non-verbal autistic children, listening attentively to what the patient is not saying.

footnotegirl
footnotegirl
1 year ago

Huh, interesting. Apparently my daughter doesn’t exist, considering that she is the product of a very intact family, and female, but also was diagnosed with ADHD. (Good news: since the diagnosis, therapy and medication has shot her academics from lowest in her class to mid to high level in her age range within weeks.)

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

Moved here from Vietnam, got ADHD and was raised by a single mother. He can go fuck himself with a soda can.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

As a woman who’s been diagnosed with ADHD from the age of five, this dude can go jump in a hole and go straight to hell.

footnotegirl
footnotegirl
1 year ago

Also, considering how much they opine about how the education system now is too restrictive and requiring of silence and stillness for boys, it would be interesting to see how they would react to the CENTURIES of boys education wherein they were required to sit quietly for hours at desks and memorize books and dates and quietly read.

zaunfink
zaunfink
1 year ago

@S.P.
Akchually…. About 20% of people with ADHD are non-responders when it comes to Adderal. You said it doesn’t work for you – if that means you get no effect at all it’s not a sign you don’t have ADHD, just that maybe it’s not the right med or the right dosage. If you have the reaction a Non-ADHD person has (mostly hyperfocus and dulling) then it’s more likely you don’t have ADHD.

That being said, boy am I glad that I now know that a) I can’t have ADHD even though I’m a textbook case since I’m a woman, b) my mum is at fault if I had ADHD seeing as she was a single mom. I’m not sure what she’s done to cause my father to die in an accident before my birth, but hey, a woman is always to blame.

When will these assholes grasp that correlation (if there is one and he doesn’t pull this shit out of his ass anyway) is not causation.
Maybe we’re getting more diagnoses because we understand the workings of the human mind better. But no, must be the immigrants!

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Quite apart from everything else, even if there IS some IQ difference between racial groups, to mean anything it must also be true that:

1). IQ score = intelligence (almost certainly false)
2). *Average group IQ* magically determines what a *particular individual*’s IQ is (false by definition)
3). Even if some individual is less intelligent than another, this somehow means they should have *less legal rights* (nonsense).

So what the racists are going on about is beyond me. Oh wait, I know. They think those they consoder less intelligent than themselves should have less rights… but ONLY if they’re also black or brown. Not if they’re idiot rednecks, for example. White skin = you continue to have all your rights, in their however srupid you are.

Gee, it’s almost as if the IQ thing is just an excuse for racism…

S. P.
S. P.
1 year ago

@zaunfink

Yeah, it had no effect whatsoever, not even a negative one.

Also, you gotta love how Molyneux just assumes that education is getting worse because of the presence of immigrants, as if they exude some kind of Ignorance Field that saps the very content from schoolbooks and causes conversation to wither and die. Not that immigrants have, I don’t know, infiltrated the PTA or something. They’re just…present.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Oh, and the women driving away good men – that’s only when the missing father is white, you know. If he’s black, it’s because of the darkies’ inability to commit or have self control.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Does this dumbing down of education affect all US schools, or just those with largely non-white studentship? (I’m wildly guessing that the proposed mechanism somehow relates to the non-white racial origin of “mass immigrants”) It’d be quite a revelation if most of the adolescent ADHD cases were actually found in the rather limited demographic of “white boys going to largely non-white schools”.

And BTW, how does adult ADHD relate to smart kids being bored in school? Maybe it doesn’t actually relate to whether you had adolescent ADHD but how boring your current job is? It’s not like many people historically had drudging repetitive jobs… Or maybe adults don’t actually suffer from ADHD, just like girls or non-white boys or dumb white boys.

occasional reader
occasional reader
1 year ago

> JRichard
Ah, indeed. Maybe we have read the same article in Le Monde. It says that there are two major ways of diagnosting autism here : the freudian one which put the guiltiness of children having autism on their mother (which implies cure attempts or accompaniments with an heavy load of psychoanalysis), and the non-freudian one (which accompaniments use mainly behavioral reeducation).
To note, the article was the presentation of “Asperger’s Children. The Origins of Autism in Nazi Vienna“, a book from Edith Sheffer, which remind people that Asperger was a nazi, that he had practiced eugenism on autist children (the book says he killed personally 44 children) because he was considering some more valuable than the others. After the war, he pushed this consideration in a nazi themes expurged version, which bring the vision that there are “good autists” – their syndrom taking his name – and the “bad autists” – which include all the other autism forms -, by opposition to Leo Kanner who had presented autism as a trouble with a vast specter of behaviors but without any “good” or “bad” weighting.
(The book is not against persons having autism, just against Hans Asperger, if it was not clear)

Shadowplay
1 year ago

*Skims Molyneux’s nuggets of wisdom

“All right, which of you sods forgot to flush.”

Ellesar
Ellesar
1 year ago

I know this is hardly scientific (but that shouldn’t bother SM) but I brought up 2 boys without a father, by choice, and neither have ADD, and actually I am the one who has many of the symptoms.

Yes! Girls have it too, and actual scientific data has shown that it emerges later and that is why it is missed much more often, as it tends to get lost in the turmoil of adolescence.

I have come to realise that I probably would have had a very different life if it had been recognised.

I am calling it ADD as that is the more common term as H is not necessarily part of it.

Johanna
Johanna
1 year ago

@S.P. – I’ve got a diagnosis of ADHD and PTSD *and* I’m in recovery (not really a surprise, given the first two issues) and so things like Adderall weren’t even an option for me (also unsurprisingly: the ADHD and PTSD weren’t diagnosed until after I quit drinking for one damn minute and could take a rational look at my life – yay for sobriety!).

Long story short: an SNRI (atomoxetine) has done me an amazing amount of good. I don’t know what your options are, but if you haven’t tried that option yet, maybe bring it up with your MDs?

Meanwhile, I’d like to give Molyneux a swift kick in the pants on behalf of all us women with ADHD…

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@Ariblester

white nationalists like to imagine Re-Becoming the Greatness that We Never Weren’t, because everybody knows that Greece and Rome became preeminent powers because of democracy and philosopher-kings and not, y’know, vast amounts of slave labor.

I mean, it’s gotten to the point where if I see someone online with an ancient Greek/Roman avi, I immediately think “ew”.
It’s the reason they hate people like Mike Stuchbery so much – he deals in actual history, with details and nuance and stuff. Remember how enraged Paul Joseph Watson was about the BBC saying there were black people in Ancient Rome?

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

@Vaiyt

“Mommy Issues” Molyneux. I like that. All in favour of making that his new nickname?

I did just want to drill down into this “dumbing down education” thing. Given that “conservative thought” is less a coherent ethos and more a collection of random grievances expressed in bumper-sticker form, I think these guys tend to conflate their “everyone gets a trophy” talking point with “higher education are just expensive day-care centres for indoctrinated gender studies grads” and think that every class is just about getting in touch with your feelings and then they just give As and Bs to all the kids based on gender or skin colour or something. But at the same time, high failure rates are a sign that teachers just need to be kicked a little harder, so who knows?

Just thinking back to my schooling in general from my mid 30s, it actually moved at a pretty swift clip. The distance between Bond films was what separated basic reading from analyzing current events in social studies class or basic arithmetic and algebra. It’s a lot to take in and while most of us did internalize it at one point, a lot of it gets lost along the way. With practice, I could probably get back into differentiating derivatives (high school math) or computing integrals (first year university), but I haven’t done it in years and have forgotten most of the rules… and I have an engineering degree.

Hell, there was one episode of Star Trek: TNG called “When The Bough Breaks” where an eight-year-old is upset with his dad for making him do calculus. At eight! Education’s come a long way, so let’s cut the kids a little slack and maybe fund their schooling properly.

Back when I was in Junior High and High School, our class always participated in the yearly University of Waterloo Math Contests. I remember doing alright, but never won anything. Somebody should send them to ol’ Mommy Issues and see how well his genius brain does:

https://www.cemc.uwaterloo.ca/contests/contests.html
https://www.cemc.uwaterloo.ca/contests/past_contests.html

Stupid Waterloo… both my parents were alumni and they didn’t accept me into their stupid mechatronics program. Had to settle for the top school in Ontario instead. Jerks. (Incidentally, my parents stopped donating to them after that. Mwahahaha!)

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

I really hate this recent conflation of increased diagnosis ofa disorder with increased occurrence of a disorder. They’re not the same thing and anyone who’s taken a basic statistics course can tell you that you can’t automatically assume a causation from simply observing a trend.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

@ Katamount:

the closest I ever got to calculus was listening to my granddaughter sing “quadratic formula” and other math ditties in the car….

Stupid Waterloo…

Napoleon said that, too!

Serendipity
Serendipity
1 year ago

You can add one more link in the chain – he was endorsing forced monogamy. So unless he is contradicting himself (!!) he is saying that somehow the would-be violent incels are going to be good dads that the women can pick out.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Adderall has always helped me and had some very undesirable effects on me since I’ve been taking it. It has helped me to be able to turn off the different paths in my brain and be able to concentrate on the one that I need to, whether it be for school, work, anything. That being says it takes away my feeling of hunger and makes it really hard to sleep at night. If I accidently take it later in the afternoon like at 1 or 2 instead of 8 am in the morning I will not be falling asleep till 6 am in the morning.

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
1 year ago

Ladies, the price of having men ask you out is that you are more responsible for the resulting partnership.

It’s like he’s incentivizing those of us who are “ladies” to turn men down flat every time.

Somehow, I doubt if he’s be happy with a critical mass of WGTOW.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
1 year ago

Yknow what’s funny? This reminds me so much of how doctors in France diagnose autism, “it’s a psychological problem caused by rejection from the mother” or something like that.

Jesus Christ. Still? That’s Bettelheimer’s crap, the ‘refrigerator mother’ business. Someone get French doctors some up to date research.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Curious_Diversions wrote on
March 29, 2019 at 10:33 am:

Ladies, the price of having men ask you out is that you are more responsible for the resulting partnership.

It’s like he’s incentivizing those of us who are “ladies” to turn men down flat every time.

Somehow, I doubt if he’s be happy with a critical mass of WGTOW.

To be fair, Molyneux isn’t a fan of MGTOW, either.

Delurking for this
Delurking for this
1 year ago

And widows never, ever existed in the entire history of the world, huh?

Lynn
Lynn
1 year ago

To be (ugh) fair, there is an argument to be made that the “disorder” of ADHD is only disordered in the sense that society refuses to accommodate for it. Otherwise it’s just a perfectly legitimate way to exist that only causes stress when the social environment is inflexible. ADHD kids *do* suffer academically because of the rigidity of the school environment.

Now, that doesn’t have anything to do with EVIL WIMMUNZ or THE MULTICULTURAL MARXISMS, but depathologizing ADHD is a worthy goal independent of… y’know, all of THAT

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

Does anyone else here of the gothling persuasion think the Photoshopping on that header image makes Molyneux look like a crap Anna-Varney Cantodea from Sopor Æternus cosplay?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The theory that cold and distant mothers cause autism was already outdated back in the late 80s when my brother was diagnosed and I first started learning about autism.