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Men Going Their Own Way are as bad at Venn diagrams as they are at understanding women

By David Futrelle

The Men Going Their Own Way subreddit is filled with a lot of discussion that go something like this:

poopislube 112 points 1 day ago 
Why are women on a pedestal when we are the superior gender? How did this all get so backwards?

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[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths 71 points 1 day ago 
Feminism and a bunch of retard males who allowed women to be viewed as some goddess.

Yet the level of discourse that goes on amongst MGTOWs on Reddit and elsewhere does not exactly provide robust evidence for the alleged superiority of men.

I mean, these guys are seriously obtuse, and not just about women.

Consider this attempt at a Venn diagram, posted to the MGTOW subreddit by a fellow with the lovely moniker “C*ntplainer,” and intended as a sort of funny overview of the relationship between women and assorted types of men. Then consider that this diagram got 100 upvotes from Reddit’s MGTOWs, with one commenter declaring that “this is gonna be a classic.”

As you no doubt have noticed, this Venn diagram isn’t actually a Venn diagram at all. It’s more like a cargo cult version of a Venn diagram. Sure, it’s got overlapping circles and captions like a real Venn diagram, but they don’t represent overlapping sets. I mean, Mr. Plainer surely isn’t suggesting that some Chads are also Tyrones, and that some of these Chad/Tyrones are also women.

No, as best as I can tell, the overlapping circles represent some sort of interaction, with captions showing what someone from one or the other group involved in the interaction might say about it, at least in the minds of MGTOWs if not in the real world.

But even then it doesn’t follow any sort of logic. Who is supposedly getting genital warts from whom? Are Chad and Tyrone having sex with the same woman, who’s screaming “fuck me, yes!” Or are they fucking each other, too, with either Chad or Tyrone doing the screaming?

Also, why aren’t the incels overlapping with school shooters? It’s all a bit confusing.

C*ntplainer also posted this Venn diagram that actually is a Venn diagram, more or less. Alas, it’s also pretty stupid, if not quite as monumentally stupid as his other contribution.

Still, I’m pretty sure that neither any robber nor any woman has ever uttered the sentence “I am strong and independent but you support me.”

All this reminds me of what may be the greatest Venn diagram of all time, which I believe was the work of comedian Joanna Bradley.

Absolutely nailed it. And, obviously, it’s equally accurate if you replace “Men’s Rights Activists” with MGTOWs. That’s just science.

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Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Better safe than sorry

I don’t. And now I know your that little shit who had talked about his wife waiting for him in bed and was calling us harpies. Also fuckwad I wasn’t the one who talked about modern day feminist other then 70’s. That was someone else. But your a misogynist so I’m not surprised you can’t tell us apart. And you really need a link for the tattoo one? it’s in recent April shit and you already commented on it saying tattoos on a woman are poor choices. Your suppose to not give a shit about women but you have a lot of opinions on their body and career choices. I tell you to get lost because your insulting and hurtful and I had enough of you so yeah I fucking curse you piece of fucking shit. If you don’t like it you can get out.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
1 year ago

BSTS:

Did you just do a “I won’t leave until Mr. Futrelle bans me” AND a “My, my! An F word, how uncouth” at the same time?

I’m not convinced you are our old friend DA, but if I had a bingo card of all his tells I’d be about one square from “Bingo!”

Maybe that should be an indicator of about how novel and unique your demeanor is, my internet-acquaintance.

I have thoughts on why Pre-K can be totally awesome, and might type up something later, but I really ought to start paying attention to lecture now.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Also @ fucking bettering fucking safe then fucking sorry.

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/04/18/tattoos-on-women-are-a-mark-of-slavery-showing-that-their-bodies-are-owned-by-the-tattoo-artist-confused-incel-redditor-contends/

here is your fucking link to the tattoo thread.

Here is your fucking comment about women’s fucking bodies that doesn’t concern you fucker.

Let me correct that title: “Tattoos on women is a matter of poor choice”.
So, fixed it for ya…

Then it started talking about how tattoos are helpful for rape victims, like myself, to reclaim our bodies. you then stayed the fuck out of it probably because your a piece of shit that knows you’ll get banned from that.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@contrapangloss

Yeah the precious snowflake can’t take seeing the F word. -_-

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

. I have my reasons for this phenomenon too, but that would be too elaborate to go into.

Let me guess, it’s women’s fault because they work right. Not enough pieces of the pie for the man? All women should just be depend on a husband right?

My point is that both parents working and kids thrown into daycare is NOT the way to go for family.

Right because if the kid spends a few hours away from mommy it’s totally going to ruined the child, you against schools then? should all children be homed schooled? Also yeah do kindly fuck off. I’m going to be a mother one way or another and both me and my husband will work and yes the kid will spend time in daycare or with one of the many family members to take care of. my fiancé is way better off at taking care of a child then I am, I know nothing about taking care of children while he is the second oldest in a very large family and knows a lot more about babies and small children then I do. For example how to hold one properly and change a diaper. By your logic he’s a failure for not being a stay at home dad but a doctor instead right?

No, if a mother does well in her career AT THE EXPENSE of her children, is a failure.

I can be a good mother and a fantastic archaeologist you know fuckwad. It’s 2019, I can do both and both be fine. Also that statement fucking applies to me who is going to be both. This is why I tell you to get lost because your an insulting piece of shit about things that don’t apply to you.

“I think we’ll need some examples of feminist theorists saying this. Modern examples, not something from the 70s”. →Sweden, as well as other European tax codes, that disfavor traditional families with one working breadwinner.

I wasn’t the one who said that, learn to read.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

No, if a mother does well in her career AT THE EXPENSE of her children, is a failure.

And the father is blameless in this scenario? And what do you mean by “at the expense?” Your only example was daycare, and that’s hardly harmful to children.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I went to daycare even though my mom stayed home until she went back to school when I was maybe 7 or 8. Was she a failure? Personally, I think it was a good thing for me because it gave me opportunities to learn how to socialize and get used to group settings. It was also good for my mother who got some valuable time to herself.

I think parents are more successful if they’re not miserable.

Anyway, I do think it’s pretty funny that BSTS is pretending like he won’t share his economic theories with us because they’re too complex for us to get our frivolous lady brains around. In reality, I think he knows we’d run circles around him and his fragile little boy ego couldn’t take being schooled us.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

Sweden, as well as other European tax codes, that disfavor traditional families with one working breadwinner.

WTF is this? The entire country of Sweden? The entirety of European tax codes????

Wow, glad you have such great references, I certainly learned a lot from this conversation.

The thread regarding tattoos, give me the link and I will show you I am not that troll.

Lol, you. You’re confusing what people are saying. We know you were a jerk in the tattoos thread, because you posted there *with this ‘nym*. You’re also hitting a lot of the beats that Desperate Ambrose hit. Weird how trolls are so similar, isn’t it??

Lastly Lainy, in addition to some poor word choices (f-word) in your arguments (…)

You are an abhorrent piece of filth. You have the life understanding of a 5 year old, or an MRA. When challenged on your claims, you give no rebuttals, but rather try to redirect the conversation. Lainy can say whatever she wants.

Lainy said this –

Right because if the kid spends a few hours away from mommy it’s totally going to ruined the child, you against schools then? should all children be homed schooled?

And I wonder, how does your ‘elaborate’ point square with this one? Why is it that children need to be glued to a mother’s hip for their entire childhood, or civilisation as we know it collapses??

@WWTH – lol, I think you’re right, he knows that all the people here would just laugh and pick it apart, and his pet theory would just be ruined.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

And I wonder, how does your ‘elaborate’ point square with this one? Why is it that children need to be glued to a mother’s hip for their entire childhood, or civilisation as we know it collapses??

Lol no one tell him about after school activities, they keep a child away form their mother for even more time then an 8 hour school day! the horror!

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Personally, I think it was a good thing for me because it gave me opportunities to learn how to socialize and get used to group settings. It was also good for my mother who got some valuable time to herself.

Yeah same. I started going to a day care with a very nice woman when I was 3 or 4. Met one of my longest friends there. Friends all through grade school, middle school and high school. Friends now. I value her more then anything and we bonded because I was shy and she was determine to make friends with me. Quite frankly, if I had to think about like 10 people who have put a big influence on my life it would probably be her. I would not be the person I am today if I had not met her and developed the relationship I had with her before school.

Viscaria
Viscaria
1 year ago

Definitely taking parenting advice from Mr. I-talked-to-my-children-and-we-agreed-I-shouldn’t-remarry-if-my-wife-dies.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Viscaria
If I were his kid, I would agree, too. Just not for the reasons he thinks.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

omg that was in THIS THREAD??? ahhhh

Here’s a link, for anyone else who forgot just who this particular troll is

@Laini. (sic) Salty, I know what MGTOW is and you assumption that I wouldn’t know is silly on your part. And I also know I am not one of them. I also know the Pence rule and as a conservative (!!) married man, I follow that rule pretty much. While there are elements in MGTOW that are unacceptable, like the ideas of hunting underage girls to name one thing, I generally respect the group of men who have decided that marriage/cohabitation is not a good thing for them, and want to make their own life. Why can’t you accept that? The number of women I am “close” to I can count on one hand, the rest I keep far away. If you avoid the puddles, you don’t get wet, and the Pence rule has done miracles for my career. Isn’t it funny that when a woman wants to stay single, she is strong, independent and feminists love it, but when a man wants to remain a bachelor, he is considered “incomplete” and has to “man up”. If women are represented by a bowl of 9 toxic M&M’s and one good one, my wife is the good one. Women nowadays are not marriage material, certainly not the Western women. Should my wife die for whatever reason, there won’t be another one and my kids are with me on that one.
Unto you your opinion, unto me mine. Have a good day.

He’s also tried to explain what MGTOW is (and failed), OH and there was this beautiful bit of racism

Please mind your language. No need to use black gang street languages. I am trying to make an explanation and you all are raving…

I still don’t know what ‘black gang language’ I used! I try to avoid using AAVE, actually, because I am very white, so I’d be interested to see just which expression I used.

I really hope it was ‘a metric shit tonne’.

Good trip down memory lane. And by good, I mean not.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’d also be curious of the love of traditional families that BSTS has would extend to aristrocratic/upper class families back in the days before feminism.

Because “good” families mostly left their children in the care of governesses, tutors and other domestic help.

And of course, working class women always did, well, work.

The mother who spends all her time doting on the children and meticulously keeping house was never the norm. Only a narrow subset of women ever lived this way. And enough of them hated it so much that the 2nd wave of feminism ended up happening.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Lol other things BSTS must hate because they take the child away from the all superior company and safety of their mother and there for are form of terrible parenting.

School
Day camp
Sleep away camp
After school activities
Sports
Sleep overs at a friends house
Birthday parties
Part time jobs
Volunteering
Letting a child have a bed away from their parents

All of these show that a mother is a terrible parent if she allows her child to do them. your child from the time it’s born till it’s 18 should not stray more then 20 feet away from a mother’s arms.

cornychips
cornychips
1 year ago

Lastly Lainy, in addition to some poor word choices (f-word) in your arguments, you are in the habit of telling me…..

Hey fuckface. Fuck you.

I noticed you answered many people except me regarding child support and custody. Is it cuz youre full of shit?

Too my understanding, you don’t own this website.

DING DING DING!!! your troll mask is slipping.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

BSTS is one of those dudes that if I was alone with him on a bus or just in a room somewhere I would have my hand in my bag and around my pepper spray at all times lol.