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Incel creep: Guys with small dicks should be allowed to have sex with 12-year-olds

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By David Futrelle

In case you missed this horror when it appeared on Reddit last week, here’s an ingenious “solution” for incels oppressed by having non-porn-star sized penises.

Any by “ingenious” I mean “so utterly repulsive it may destroy your last remaining shred of hope for humanity.”

In a post on the Incels.is forums with the seemingly innocuous title “Dick Quotas,” a dude calling himself Mainländer announced what he called “a genius idea to make society and the sexual market fairer.”

Prepare yourself.

We all know being a dicklet sucks and foids will ridicule you for it, and most men want to fuck JBs [jailbaits], so why don’t we make the AoC [Age of Consent] dependent on the guy’s dick size?

[inwardly screaming]

If your cock is 3 inches or less, the AoC is 12 for you.
If your cock is between 3 and 4 inches, the AoC is 13 for you.
If your cock is between 4 and 5 inches, the AoC is 14 for you.
If your cock is between 5 and 6 inches, the AoC is 15 for you.
If your cock is between 6 and 7 inches, the AoC is 16 for you.
If your cock is between 7 and 8 inches, the AoC is 17 for you.
If your cock is 8 inches or more, the AoC is 18 for you.

In addition to everything else that’s fucked-up about this tweet — underage girls aren’t prizes to be given out to men to compensate them for their alleged penile shortcomings — it’s based on a bizarrely pornified notion of what counts as a small dick. The average penis size is between 5 and 6 inches, and most cis men have penises somewhere in or near that range. Only a tiny percentage of men dicks that are 8 inches long or larger. And most women don’t give a shit about dick size. This is just an excuse for Mainländer to fantasize about underage girls.

Everyone wins.

Yeah, everyone except the UNDERAGE GIRLS YOU’LL BE RAPING.

In case you’re wondering, Mainländer isn’t some teenager or drive-by troll. He’s posted more than 14,000 comments on Incels.is, and describes himself as being older than 30. (One commenter in the thread refers to him as a man in his 50s.)

No jokes this time. It really seems like this open pedo shit is becoming more common on Incels.is, with an increasing number of incels convinced not only that they’re oppressed by adult women refusing to have sex with them but also because they can’t have sex with underage girls.

Incel forums are toxic in pretty much every way it’s possible to be toxic. These guys aren’t venting. They aren’t providing support for one another. They’re turning themselves and each other into even worse human beings every day they spend on forums like this. And making themselves ever more miserable and bitter in the process.

H/T — r/IncelTears

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Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Nowherepants wrote on
March 7, 2019 at 11:23 am:

A guy with 14,000 posts on an incel site that was founded in December 2017 is an obvious troll. Riiiight. 😒

How do you know “he” is not a bot? 😛

Also, I think it’s rather naive of you to assume there aren’t trolls on incel sites trying to fuck with these guys as well as trying(albeit quite effectively)to make them look bad. Incels are universally despised. Not just by women, but by other men too.

Do not misinterpret this as a defense of this guy. It is is a dismissal.

Here’s why I don’t think that he’s a troll: Trolling an incel board is like trying to troll 4chan; I believe the phrase is “pissing into an ocean of piss.”

And this isn’t at all fucking with incels; it’s validating their inherent insecurities and theories about SMV!

As another person on another website once put it, “if you’re ironically fucking a goat, you’re still fucking a goat.”

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

@Nowherepants

Smug superiority strikes again!
Too bad we mere mortals don’t have the magical incel board decoder ring that tells us exactly when something is a Poe and when not. I am so glad that Nowherepants came along to save us from the folly of not being him.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

cw for stereotyping and possible offensive terminology

most men want to fuck JBs [jailbaits]

I dunno… I can really only speak for myself regarding what I “want to”, and cite statistical type evidence for others….

PornHub (you knew it was gonna go there…) doesn’t have a category for “jailbait”, which does not surprise, “teen” probably being the closest. As reported by Esquire (Dec. 2018), the most popular search terms had “romantic” at #3 (behind “Stormy Daniels”, “Fortnite” and “4K”), which should cause the MRAs some grief; followed by “trans”, which should REALLY cause them to howl.

P.H.’s most viewed categories had “MILF” at #3, “mature” at #7, with “teen” clear down at #12. So, in response to the “jailbait” contention, Im’a hafta say “NO”, it doesn’t appear that way. At least not on the most popular porn site in the known universe….

Of the women I personally know, their age distribution is probably a good-lookin’ bell curve, distributed around a 30-40-year-old mean. I’m not in an intimate relationship at all, but I will say I’d feel really skeevy approaching someone in even THAT age group — roughly the same age as my son…. Just sayin’

https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/news/a52061/most-popular-porn-searches/

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
1 year ago

I’m assuming his argument is based on younger = smaller body = smaller penis sheath*

Unfortunately none of these assumptions are necessarily true. Girls usually stop growing between 14 and 15**, so assuming that his theory is accurate there would be no reason to have a different age of consent above that age.

So, his theory isn’t just horrible, it also internally inconsistent.

If I were a cis man, I’d take huge issue with these guys saying that all men want to have sex with children. I wonder if he’s interacted with 12 year olds since he was a kid. People that age are CHILDREN. There’s no good reason for a grown adult to foist that kind of relationship on a child.

*I’m being intentionally horrible in my phrasing to illustrate his lack of regard for women’s personhood.

**Thanks, Dr. Google.

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
1 year ago

Re: the tampon article.

…one man tried to calculate just how many tampons are necessitated by “the average period”.

But whyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

What possible benefit could he get from this? One needs as many tampons as they need. It *might* be 10. It might be more or less.

Is he trying to budget for a women’s penitentiary?

Is he trying to prove that there is no significant “pink tax”?

I just don’t see what he thinks he will get out of this, other than ridicule.

Note: diva cups are awesome!

Who?
Who?
1 year ago

I think the only think in the whole post I don’t have isues with is using a acronym for Age of Consent (sometimes lazy). Sorry the first two newsitems in the TVNews I watched a short time ago was about child molestion (at last in both cases the men responsible got sentenced to jail).
We had a tread with the same topic shortly ago, so yeah not great motivation to discuss this.
My first reaction was get this … of the internet, second one better not as long as he is online he is not near children.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

I’m assuming his argument is based on younger = smaller body

Given the rest of the context of the post, no, I don’t think the argument is based off of what can “fit”, so to speak. There is, as is standard for incels, absolutely no consideration for the emotions or thoughts of their desired sex-objects at all. The logic in this post appears to be:

Men with small penises feel bad/are mocked -> most men want to have sex with children -> in order to compensate small-penised men for their emotional distress, they should be allowed to rape children.

With perhaps a dash of “small-penised men must be allowed to prey on children as there is no other conceivable avenue for them to enter into a sexual relationship. Everyone knows penis size is the only deciding factor in relationships, after all.”

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

OP’s not a troll, and dismissing this stuff, serious or not, is part of the problem.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Curious_Diversions:

I’m assuming his argument is based on younger = smaller body = smaller penis sheath*

That does seem like a logical straw I’d grasp for, though it’s not really evident in the parts David quoted, and I don’t quite feel like reading the archived full post for context.

Catalpa:

Men with small penises feel bad/are mocked -> most men want to have sex with children -> in order to compensate small-penised men for their emotional distress, they should be allowed to rape children.

I don’t see the logical connection, and probably don’t want to.

Who?
Who?
1 year ago

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner:

If this was about me, I am taking it seriously, and I am thankful for David for reporting it.
For me interacting with other stuff is easier. Mocking it, making jokes, discus other interesting thinks that pop up, trollsiting…
Topics like this cost a lot of energy.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

No srsly, obvious TROLL is obvious. Nothing to see here folks….allow and normalise.

This may not be what you said but it’s exactly what the effect of “ignore them and they’ll go away” actually is.

If just “ignoring them” worked in any way whatsoever, the holocaust wouldn’t have happened. If “ignoring” worked in any way, trans people wouldn’t be murdered for existing. It all starts with words and ideas.

Speaking of trans stuff (segue ftw)

@Weird Eddie:

As reported by Esquire (Dec. 2018), the most popular search terms had “romantic” at #3 (behind “Stormy Daniels”, “Fortnite” and “4K”), which should cause the MRAs some grief; followed by “trans”

Yeah, I doubt that has any real-life application. From what I’ve seen, trans people being allowed to have sexual relationships (like most every human being) is something the overwhelming majority of people still do not accept.

I mean it’s just like how lots of straight men watch so-called lesbian porn. It’s almost all fake, creepy made-by-men made-for-men pandering.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

Being a troll or not is meaningless anyway. So called “troll” almost alway believe what they say, and just use the excuse of “I am joking” to not have to assume that. The only difference it do is that a troll ll probably try to vehemently deny he actually believe that.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

Did anyone else here get the impression that this was written with a ruler in one hand and the figures tweaked until the poster’s own measurements were in accord with the age-group he personally likes to creep on/ fantasise about? What a scumbag. 🤢

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Weird Eddie:

Wait, hold on a sec

As reported by Esquire (Dec. 2018), the most popular search terms had “romantic” at #3 (behind “Stormy Daniels”, “Fortnite” and “4K”)

Fortnite??

…uh, that’s um…
I…I don’t even
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dust bunny
dust bunny
1 year ago

@ people who think a huge fucking percentage of adult men aren’t “””hebephiles”””

Nope. Sorry. Go pretend you’re a 11 year old girl on the internet for 2 hours.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Jane Done:

Yeah, I doubt that has any real-life application. From what I’ve seen, trans people being allowed to have sexual relationships (like most every human being) is something the overwhelming majority of people still do not accept.

This was touched upon in one of ContraPoints’s videos where she mentioned studies showing that porn featuring trans performers is consumed at quite high rates in US states that have “bathroom bills” and other forms of trans harassment on their books, leading her to snark that it’s apparently OK to beat off to trans people but not actually treat them like a human beings…

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Cat Mara: Yep, and I can tell you lesbian porn definitely doesn’t make straight men respect me either.

It’s funny, almost like evidence that porn shouldn’t be a source of information, almost like maybe people should be educated about this shit or something giant_rotating_gee_I_wonder.gif

footprints in wet clay
footprints in wet clay
1 year ago

yyyyyeah I’m pretty sure the assumption that these people are trolling is part of how they’ve managed to proliferate the way they have, because there’s trolling and then there’s “trolling”.

Before /mlp/ existed on 4chan, brony trolls would spam random threads with pony pics because they didn’t want to be on the furry board and the furries didn’t want them there either because there was too much pony stuff being posted. It pissed people off – some people went on irrational tirades about it that were hysterical – but on the whole it was relatively harmless. Sure, there was a lot of porn and I don’t really want to derail myself in the ethics of making porn of cartoon characters from kids shows because I do find it squicky and uncomfortable, but it wasn’t worse than the animu porn crap and pony spam basically didn’t have a harmful ethos toward other people behind it, is the point. Brony “love and tolerate” was crap, of course, but at least the thought behind it was okay. And then they eventually got their own board and mostly kept their stuff there so it mostly stopped being a problem/irritant.

On the other hand, though, we have that alt-right pepe stuff and other racist memes that became really popular, especially in cesspits like /pol/ and /b/. Maybe that one really did start with people “being ironic” and trolling, but enough people took it seriously that the end result is that we now have a bunch of new neo-Nazis, so letting them get away with THAT crap – which is different from pony spam because at its core it dehumanizes and wishes real harm on real people – was, in retrospect, probably a REALLY bad idea (no wonder moot stopped admining and distanced himself).

In a nutshell, it shouldn’t matter if these people are “trying to be funny” and doing it for lulz. It’s like the difference between algae and dry rot. Algae is a surface problem that requires a lot of water. Yeah, it comes back a lot, and it’s slimy and gross, but you can wipe it away pretty easily when you need to because it does sit on the surface and if you get rid of standing water it’s gone.

But dry rot is a lot more subtle and proliferate. It can handle a wider range of environments than algae – it doesn’t need to be visibly wet, just a reasonable amount of humidity is fine. It tends to grow and fling spores everywhere, causing more fungus wherever those little spores find the right environment, starts almost invisibly, and the filaria “roots” of the fungus spread under the surface and start destroying its substrate and leave it infected too so that by the time you can really see a lot of it, it’s a serious problem that comparatively goes pretty deep and turns your structure to wood powder.

You have to know which is which, and it’s really not that hard to tell. Just look at how they talk about other groups of people. Do they otherize them? Do they dehumanize them and liken them to animals such as parasites, pests, or apes? Do they portray them as excessively stupid or talk “ironically” about killing them or how much better society would be without them? Then you have dry rot. Are they just doing something basically harmless but so incredibly annoying that you kind of wish you could reach through your computer screen and slap them? Then you have algae.

Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
1 year ago

@Catalpa

What? That can’t possibly be right. A leading cause of me going all Elizabeth Bathroy on my knickers is having the cup overflow and break the seal,

Yeah, same. But try at about the 2 hour mark, rather than over 8. Sounds like yours are a bit above the average, not freakishly, unlike myself. Thing is, there’s women who have them so light they barely even need a thin pad for the whole thing. Also, I think the average is way low and based on weighing pad & tampons, which can’t even remotely be accurate.

S. P.
S. P.
1 year ago

They literally reduce women to vaginal circumference modifiers! (Points for whoever gets that reference).

@TheKND
I would like to cash in my “knowing about FATAL” points to get a trebuchet to yeet Mainländer into the sun. (If that’s not enough points I can also name what FATAL stands for both pre- and post- retcon. I’m kind of a connoisseur of crappy games.)

With perhaps a dash of “small-penised men must be allowed to prey on children as there is no other conceivable avenue for them to enter into a sexual relationship. Everyone knows penis size is the only deciding factor in relationships, after all.”

@Catalpa
That’s basically where my mind went, with a soupçon of “small-penised (cis) men must be allowed to prey on children because children are easier to manipulate, and we have legal power over them, so they cannot leave us. Also they don’t have enough life experience to know a) what a small penis is and b) when they’re being abused.”

Who?
Who?
1 year ago

dusty bunny:
Lets just say there is big number and the problem has been ignored to much.
We have lost a great deal of the internet. A lot of places (and that includes a lot of comentsections) are so rude that they drive the other voices away.
And beeing on the internet people are posting horible stuff that they would never dare to say of the net.
The other problem is that a lot of people look away, excusing stuff and often even helping to make it stay hush.
Often the internet tends for groups to build themselves that share interests. That can be cool, and can be absolut catastrophic.
Now I would never play an multiplayer-onlinegame (execption is online-mafia) because I heared how horrible it is.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 year ago

RE: Period Guy

TMI Alert: This person doesn’t seem to take into account the effect different levels of viscosity might have on absorption. I’m other words, clots. The tampon isn’t going to absorb those.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

@ Jane Done:

No srsly, obvious TROLL is obvious. Nothing to see here folks….allow and normalise.

THIS!!!!! You’re absolutely right about the danger of normalizing this shit. That’s been the lingering stench of trumpism, the normalizing of hate and hate groups.

Yup, it’s “Fortnite.” the video game (thanx, again, Dr. Google)… I didn’t look any farther, as I’m, uhh, not really that curious.

I agree about “trans” pron being a fetish.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
1 year ago

I don’t think a majority or a plurality of adult men are pedophiles. But I do think there’s way more of them than people think there are, and society practically bends over backwards to maintain the illusion. It’s practically baked into patriarchy, really. You can’t have a society that values women mostly for youth and appearance without encouraging it.

@Nowherepants

Poe’s law strike again!

No srsly, obvious TROLL is obvious. Nothing to see here folks….move along.

That’s not Poe’s Law though. Poe’s Law is that the average troll is indistinguishable from someone who is sincere. So it’s impossible to tell whether this person is a troll or not. And, well, it doesn’t really matter if they’re sincere or not, for a few reasons.

The big one is that it doesn’t matter what people feel or believe internally when it comes to social movements, only what they say and do matters. We saw an army of channers descend on Charlottesville, waving keki and nazi flags around, getting into fights; we saw the same trolls laughing about how it was “just a joke” after scurrying off once they faced any actual opposition. It doesn’t matter if they were sincere or not, that event ratcheted up fascist support across the country.

The little one is that no one can put on a false front for too long. It’s a well understood phenomenon that if you repeat a lie long enough you start to believe in it. There was an article on Stormfront that was discussed here about “how did you come to [be a nazi shithead]” and a lot of the commenters began with something like “It was just funny memes at first, but the more I thought about it…”

In the end, this is one of the few legitimate uses of Ockham’s Razor. Either he’s someone saying horrible things on a horrible site, or he’s all that and he’s actually just joking about it. The latter’s got an extra argument that makes no difference to the outcome. Remove it.

(Sorry if this seemed aggressive! It wasn’t intended to be so, and if it felt that way, I apologize. I’ve tried to edit out anything too forceful.)

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

oops, shit, missed the edit window.

I don’t really have any familiarity with it (“trans” porn) other than some blogs and interviews with transgender women who do porn…

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
1 year ago

I’m sorry that I posted about the whole “obviously a troll” thing, @nowherepants. I didn’t want to pile on. But after I posted, a whole bunch of other posts showed up above mine! Mea culpa.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

I mean just adding a “just kidding” or its “trolling” to something doesn’t take away the pain it inflicts. It’s like if someone “pretend” like they were going to hit you to make you flinch and then act like it’s the funniest thing in the world. Not taking into the account the number of times someone might have thrown a punch and not be joking.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

OT: Doug Ford is trying to privatize health care in Ontario.

https://act.leadnow.ca/health-care/

1. How do I ensure that it doesn’t happen? (If it does, it will likely kill me eventually.)

2. Whyyyyyy? It seems like Canadian politics is a constant repetition of a) legislators ask “can we do $(awful_thing)?”, b) the people yell NO!, c) maybe they back off, but if they do, after a few months or years they ask again. And again and again and again, until eventually the people give in and let them do it.

What we need is a way to say not “NO!”, but “NEVER!” and then they CAN’T start proposing the same damn thing (cutbacks, privatizations, or whatever) ever again, or at least not for a very long time, or not without first a referendum on whether to even put it back on the table again. And that referendum must get a supermajority for them to do so.

It’s so tiring and requires such constant vigilance. It’s like dealing with a two year old. Turn your back for ten seconds and he’s reaching for the cookie jar (on behalf of giant megacorps). Slap his hand away, start doing something else, and before you know it he’s grabbed for it again and started unscrewing the lid. Slap his hand away and tighten the lid, go to work, come home and find the jar empty. We need to be able to put the jar in a safe that only WE, THE PEOPLE can open. Not our “representatives” but us, directly.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Scildfreja:

But you explained it very well, and made points the other posts did not make.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m not as nice as Scild, so I am going to pile on.

NowherePants,

If you’re trying to troll us, can’t you find a more entertaining way to do it? You were on the right path when you tried to ‘splain vaginal fluids to us. This is a step backwards. Since Contract Jack melted down and got banned so quickly, we need you to step your game up.

If you’re not trying to troll, you really, really need to pull your head out of your ass. After a large state troll operation likely influenced the outcomes of the 2016 US presidential election and the brexit referendum and after Facebook trolls contributed to the genocide of the Rohinga in Burma, are you seriously trying to pull the “ignore the trolls and everything will okay” line? Seriously?

We’ve already had incel mass murderers. We’re already seeing incel views normalized by conservatives with large platforms like Jordan Peterson and Ross Douthot. The last fucking thing we need to do is ignore this shit.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Surplus

That’s exactly what the right is trying to do, except in reverse.

The entire right wing’s agenda in this generation is tearing away the rights of people who fought tooth and nail in the previous generation.

We got those rights by protest, and not the ‘civil, polite’ kind of protest, which is why the right is pushing their gaslighting and brainwashing so hard. By stripping minorities of the very tools that gave us our rights AND those rights themselves, they hope to turn back the dial on time and snap the dial off forever.

Who?
Who?
1 year ago

Just found on page 1 what I was missing.
14.000 posts means the board believes the guy to be legimate.
A troll doesn’t survive that long.
And if that stands somewhere whitout resistance means that is acepted in the forum.
In this moment the question if the original poster is a troll is irelevant.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Jane Done:

The difference being that the majority of the population (at least here) is in favor of keeping universal healthcare, among other things. Only one side of this is the majority having to repeatedly slap representatives of the minority away from the cookie jar they want to raid.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Surplus

True, though 1%ers are not considered a political minority because they control the vast majority of wealth and power. Minorities, when combined, outnumber those trying to fuck them over, which just might be the most important truth in the coming years.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Off topic, the asshole (probably Trump supporting) judge gave Manafort a slap on the wrist. 47 months for 8 counts. He called him someone who had lived an otherwise blameless life.

This Clarence Darrow speech from 1902 is great but disheartening because nothing changed.
http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/darrow.htm

So very relevant.

Again, people find all sorts of ways of getting rich. These are diseases like everything else. You look at people getting rich, organizing trusts, and making a million dollars, and somebody gets the disease and he starts out. He catches it just as a man catches the mumps or the measles; he is not to blame, it is in the air. You will find men speculating beyond their means, because the mania of money-getting is taking possession of them. It is simply a disease; nothing more, nothing less. You cannot avoid catching it; but the fellows who have control of the earth have the advantage of you. See what the law is; when these men get control of things, they make the laws. They do not make the laws to protect anybody; courts are not instruments of justice; when your case gets into court it will make little difference whether you are guilty or innocent; but it’s better if you have a smart lawyer. And you cannot have a smart lawyer unless you have money. First and last it’s a question of money. Those men who own the earth make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world

.

I’m fucking PISSED. I’m glad Manafort is getting another sentence from a different judge who sees through his bullshit a lot more.

Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
1 year ago

Mainländer (and guys like him) want super young girls because they’re easier to groom and mold into the submissive victim waifu of their dreams. After all, if they get their claws in early enough their victim waifu won’t know that being abused isn’t normal.
Yuck.
Brain bleach time? Brain bleach time!
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Tovius
1 year ago

@Pagan Reader – Misandrist Spinster

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

The logic of his “defenders” escape me. “How can you tell he’s not a bot? It’s impossible to tell the difference on incel.me !” In other words, it’s impossible to tell the difference betweem *real* incels’ view and the alleged parody which advocates mass rape of teenage girls. Some “defense”.

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

@Who?:

Oh, I totally understand that. I do that stuff too. My comment was supposed to be addressed to Nowherepants, who said the OP was a troll and should just be dismissed. I forgot to indicate that, so sorry to everybody for being unclear!

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

For some reason, this post dredged up an incident from the 80s I’d all but forgotten about. Does anyone else from the UK or Ireland remember Mandy Smith? She was a teenager back then who married Bill Wyman from the Rolling Stones when she was 16– and it came out that he had been grooming¹ her since she was 13 years old. How Operation Yewtree never came for his skeevy old ass, I’ll never know.

Needless to say, the tabloids had a field day with this– in their usual simultaneous pursed-lipped disapproving way but also in the same victim-blaming, “c’mon, guys, you would, wouldn’t you? I mean, if she looked like that, you would, wink wink” you still see being trotted out against R. Kelly’s accusers even now (or is still the creepy stock-in-trade of rags like the Daily Mail with their endless “she’s all grown up now” articles 🤢). Of course there’s no rape culture, guys! It’s an SJW delusion! 🙄

Smith’s and Wyman’s marriage lasted all of two years. She tried to turn some of her tabloid notoriety into a pop career, some of the results of which you can see here (I think this was her debut):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Keu-Ny-bsQ

I just remember the pretty incessant slut-shaming of her that went on at the time (though in my 15-year-old shitlord eyes it was probably a worse crime that she was produced by the Stock, Aitken & Waterman “hit factory” in the UK that was responsible for filling the charts with wretched, soulless assembly-line pop I hate them I hate them I hate the– um, sorry, 15-year-old me still remembers 😉) Looking at that video I see a kid barely older than I was, hardly able to carry a tune, so uncomfortable in their own skin they’re barely able to dance, trying desperately to be edgy and grown-up by making veiled references to an inappropriate relationship… it’s downright cringy. Everyone involved bar the woman herself should have been ashamed.

According to her Last.fm profile, she’s still performing; I hope she got a bit more out of life than endless tabloid harassment and being the punchline of shitty jokes about “jailbait”.

¹ Back in the 80s, terms of art like “grooming” weren’t in common use yet, though the practice certainly was. Nor was “sex addiction” which was apparently the excuse Wyman trotted out for why he was carrying on with a bloody teenager in the first place. He was the real victim, you guys! 🙄

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Cat Mara wrote on
March 8, 2019 at 8:23 am:

For some reason, this post dredged up an incident from the 80s I’d all but forgotten about. Does anyone else from the UK or Ireland remember Mandy Smith? She was a teenager back then who married Bill Wyman from the Rolling Stones when she was 16– and it came out that he had been grooming¹ her since she was 13 years old. How Operation Yewtree never came for his skeevy old ass, I’ll never know.

Why stop at the Stones? David Bowie had sex with fifteen-year-olds back in the 1970s. The double standard with regards to men having sex with young girls has always been appallingly one-sided.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I remember a local radio station had a show where the male DJ had a countdown clock for when the Olsen twins became legal. Especially gross when you take into account that they’re petite and young looking and could’ve passed for 13 or 14 at that time.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Ariblester:

Why stop at the Stones? David Bowie had sex with fifteen-year-olds back in the 1970s. The double standard with regards to men having sex with young girls has always been appallingly one-sided.

And the dudes from Led Zeppelin, and that’s before we even get to out-and-out repugnant arseholes like Ted Nugent who like to wrap themselves in the flag nowadays but who explicitly liked to brag in their songs about raping¹ the underaged back then. But, yeah, a lot of people have gone on the record as being seriously uncomfortable with the speed at which Bowie’s crimes in this area were overlooked in the rush to dub him Greatest Rock ‘n’ Roll Innovator Evar in the wake of his death. I mean, sure, I like his music too, but he did and said a lot of shitty things in the 70s.

The unusual thing about Mandy Smith’s case that probably brought it to my mind was that the whole affair was carried out in the full spectacle of a tabloid feeding-frenzy at the time and Smith herself became a (minor) celebrity when very often the victims are only encouraged to speak long after the fact, and then only anonymously, and are quickly forgotten. People are quick to trot out the “it was a different time” line and it’s true; but for all that things have changed, some things– the excuse-making, the victim-blaming, the slut-shaming– don’t.

(Aside: one other thing I noticed watching that Mandy Smith video now that would have passed me by then because I would have lacked the cultural references: while her look is in some ways quintessentially “80s”, some parts of it– the big, tousled blonde hair, the eye make-up, the lips– make me think her stylists were trying to cash in on her resemblance to Brigitte Bardot. Who would have meant absolutely nothing to her contemporaries– and ostensible target demographic– like me; but for a certain, shall we say, older cohort of men, Bardot was the ultimate in smouldering, no-holds-barred, sex on a stick. Men in the same age group as Smith’s former husband, for example. If that was a conscious decision on Smith’s stylists’ part, to make her appeal to older men, then eww. Double fucking eww.🤢)

¹ A minor can’t consent, Ted. Which part of “statutory rape” don’t you understand?

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@wwth:

I remember there was similar shit too around the time Emma Watson turned 16, and with the singer Charlotte Church in the UK. Church, who got famous around the age of 8 or 9 for releasing an album of religious songs entitled Voice of an Angel had to deal with a double dose of tabloid nonsense. This was because not only had she to go through puberty in public and the usual aforementioned leery British tabloid, “isn’t she all grown up now, eh, lads?” stuff¹², but every time she was photographed doing normal adolescent things like smoking a cigarette or falling out of a nightclub the worse for wear, she had to deal with “ZOMG NOT AN ANGEL!!!1!” headlines too 🙄. Still, she turned out alright, she still performs, and she writes a fairly incendiary (albeit infrequently-updated) blog on social justice issues. Example.

¹ Which culminated in one particular incident where one tabloid was simultaneously frothing about a special episode of a satirical comedy programme, Brass Eye, which was mocking media coverage of pedophiles, while right beside it the tabloid had a picture of the then 15yo Church in a tight top with the usual creepy “all grown up” caption… 🙄
² There were even rumours that some of the tabloids had a “bounty” on her virginity with a large sum of money on offer to whichever cad did the deed and told the tale. Yes, really. Given the shit that came out of the Leveson inquiry, I wouldn’t be surprised if this were true. Also, I have to throw up now 🤢.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@ Cat Mara

Thank you for the Charlotte Church link. She fell off my radar when she went crossover (I am a classical music hipster), and thus I had not come across the magnificent phrase “like the Tories wouldn’t have made even more of a Jackson Pollock of it.”

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Tovius

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2 years ago
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Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

@Rabid Rabbit: As someone whose music tastes run to the goth/industrial end of things, I never much appreciated Charlotte Church’s work in either phase of her career tbh. The quality of her voice is something else, though; she could probably record an album of jingles from ads and make it sound good. And she comes across as a very warm, level-headed and passionate person in interviews despite (or maybe because) of the tabloid hate machine she’s been through.

Emily
Emily
1 year ago

Ew, talk about not understanding how consent works at all, or understanding why the age of consent is necessary in the first place. There should be some sort of mandatory consent talk in grade school. Plus, what exactly makes them think underage teens would want them either since grown women apparently don’t?