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Nightclubs oppress men because women can dance sexy while men can only display 30% of their sexual value, MGTOW laments

John Travolta displaying 30 percent of his sexual market value

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By David Futrelle

Manosphere dinguses — from pickup artists to incels — often lament that dating apps and social media in general give straight women an unfair advantage in the so-called sexual marketplace, because women get so much male attention that they start to think they’re too good for ordinary men.

Pickup artists complain that the sexual marketplace today has changed irrevocably since the good old days of only a few years ago, when peacocking PUAs could (allegedly) walk into any nightclub and walk out with an HB7 or higher, no problem.

But one Man Going His Own Way called Byron doesn’t think the good old days were that great either. In a post on the MGTOW.com forums a couple of years back — presumably when women were less stuck-up than they allegedly are today — he declared that nightclubs were and are “hellish domains of pussy power.”

After reflecting on “all my  personal experiences of literally thousands of times I went clubbing” he came up with five reasons why.

First, he declared, clubs put too much emphasis on personal appearance — which naturally gives ladies an advantage.

Outer appearance is what strongly defines female sexual market value. In the clubs women are actually always displaying their maximum sexual market value. Most of the females even peak above their usual value by using sexy make-up, clothing, and utilizing the darkened atmosphere in the clubs to hide numerous physical imperfections.

Damn those ladies and their diabolical strategy of looking their best when they go out!

And while young females circle around full and mighty.. drunk by their own sexual value and egocentrism, men are left feeling a combination of: low sexual market value (since they can’t display even 30% of it), horny and blue-balled, and most of the time flat out disappointed after no “godly female” decided to give them attention.

Yes, women are so lucky that they can get the attention of every creepy dude in the club.

Also, clubs play music so darm loud!

Loud music supports the emphasis on external appearances and female sexual market value. You can not have any normal conversations in clubs, hell even basic conversations are difficult.

Evidently women thrive in environments where no one can understand what anyone else is saying.

Dumber than a rock females circle around as if they are the earth’s greatest creation, conveniently hiding their ugly lack of intellect and bird-brains behind the loud music.

Unlike poor Byron here, who displays his bird-brain every time he opens his mouth (or posts a post on MGTOW.com).

And get this: Dance clubs also tend to have dancing going on in them.

That’s right, one more supportive feature aimed at displaying female sexual value in its fullest. Females get to draw further attention by utilizing succubus movements.

Um, succubus movements? I thought MGTOWs were into succubi now.

In any case, I think you’re only going to get the succubus dancing on Goth Night, anyway.

Whoops, wrong gif!

Ah, much better.

Byron continues, pointing out the shocking fact that nightclubs also serve booze, which evidently transforms men into blithering idiots ripe for exploitation by devious ugly ladies.

The more drunk you are the better for the females.

I’m pretty sure there is no woman on earth who would agree with this sentiment. Unless she’s an old-timey street ruffian hoping to make a few shillings rolling drunks.

You tend to be hazy in your thinking, frequently falling a notch down on analytical and logical capabilities.

Sorry to be blunt here, Byron, but with you, how would anyone even tell?

That brings men a level down from their actual sexual market value and feminizes them a bit in the sense of slightly impaired rationality.

That … is not what “feminize” means. Because if it did, MGTOWs would be some of the most feminized creatures on planet earth.

This is ideal for females and additionally opens men to all kinds of silly and flat manipulations dumber females couldn’t possibly pull off under normal circumstances.

Poor drunk dudes, lured into hitting on women by the devious female strategy of being in the same general area as the aforementioned drunk dudes.

Not only that, but there are “numerous other little details” that make clubs perfect for women.

Numerous other little details in the way clubs operate that remind men that women are considered more important. This is pure brainwashing at this point. Stuff like: free passes for women, free drinks for women, free tables for women, women waiting for men to buy them drinks (sacrifice your [balls] and dignity at the pussy alter), etc.

You can tell just how much better clubs are for women than for men by the fact that these clubs sometimes have to offer free admission to women to get any of them to actually show up, while men are willing to pay money to go to a place where there might be women.

Clubs are the epiphany of appearance over substance.

No, an epiphany is when you suddenly realize that Byron is such an idiot he doesn’t know the difference between “epiphany” and “epitome.”

It’s no wonder women love clubbing all day and all night. Too bad we’re no longer playing by their rules.

Dude, I doubt any women on earth — aside from those reading this post now — are even aware that you’re “not playing by their rules” any more. And I rather doubt any of them would react to this news with anything other than a small sigh of relief.

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Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

I wrote several replies yesterday across multiple threads that did not post. Where are they please? I have broken no rules. I suspect my arguments are being silenced because the moderators deem them irrefutable.

Anyone here got a Reddit account? This needs to be on /r/IAmVerySmart stat.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago
Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screen Junky
Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screen Junky
2 years ago

“Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed”

You see, this is why that cheese never needs to be near me

S. P.
S. P.
2 years ago

@ContractJack

Before I woke up this morning, I would have said 1) nuclear war, 2) hobo spiders, and 3) being tricked into committing cannibalism*. Nowadays it’s 1) maggot cheese, 2) maggot cheese, and 3) maggot cheese, with an honorable mention to hobo spiders.

*Thanks loads, Upton Sinclair.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

Is anyone else afraid of sloths or is that just me?

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Is this satire or…?
comment image

From Cat Mara’s link

Nanny Oggs Busom
Nanny Oggs Busom
2 years ago

Oh, great, someone brought up the maggot cheese. Now I’m going to bring up my tea.

Things I am afraid of: people in general, crowds, being homeless, my parents dying, dying before I finish my novels in progress,

On the actual subject of the post: I hate clubs. Really loud, crowds, no conversation, too expensive, sticky floors, dodgy loos, no quiet place for me to sit and read, the need to give up my coat or wear weather inappropriate clothing. Nope. So much nope. Aren’t you supposed to go to those places to have fun? If it’s not fun, don’t go. It’s that simple, “Byron”.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

I thought of another thing I’m scared of. Those fish that can swim up a penis if your not wearing really tight trunks in certain parts of the world.

S. P.
S. P.
2 years ago

@Lainy

SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP THE CANDIRU. I don’t have a penis and I’m still scared of ’em.

I’m also terrified of the parasite that eats and replaces a fish’s tongue. And pinworms. And leeches. And starfish, but only when they’re regrowing arms. And Blinky the Fish.

…I’m kind of a weenie, aren’t I.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@S.P

I will get on the back of a several hundred pound animal that could kill me with its legs in one hit but I will not get in the ocean. I don’t care which ocean I will not get into it. I will stay on the beach, soak up some sun and maybe go a few feet in it from the shore but I will not go out and swim in the ocean. You could not pay me money to do that. My fiancé took me to a nude beach for our first year together a while back and he quickly found out my fear of ocean creatures.

Though the time before that when I went to a beach a bunch of whales beached themselves and that was horrible. We were like the only ones there and I was with my older brother and we were like “hey that looks like a whale, that can’t be a whale, oh my god it’s a whale, oh my god it’s caught in the tide, no no! Call someone we need to get them back into the water” it really became a traumatic vacation.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

@Lainy, re: sloths

Not to speak for anyone else, but I guess I’m going to when I say I’m pretty sure it’s just you. After all, you should be able to outrun a sloth, even on a broken ankle while wearing high heels.

Of course, fears aren’t rational, so I’m not trying to sloth-shame you, but I don’t think it’s going to be a particularly common fear.

My daughter will be devastated, though; she loves sloths. We even have a pool game called Back Sloth, so there’s that….

Feline
Feline
2 years ago

SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP THE CANDIRU. I don’t have a penis and I’m still scared of ’em.

Let me be helpful here and say that the tales of Candiru swimming up a stream of piss to lodge in the urethra are fanciful tales. Although they might swim up ones plumbing if one is pissing pantless in the Amazon, regardless of penissitude.
Umm, I didn’t actually help, did I?
(There’s just about exactly one tale of candiru-human interaction, so far as I’ve seen, but it’s real and at least one more than the lobster story, which makes the fear reasonable at least.)

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@Gaebolga

If sloths could move faster they be humans extinction facture.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

@Lainy

I still maintain that insects are humanity’s greatest macroscopic foe; it’s the big reason I’m so very pro-spider. Those most lethal footsoldiers in our never-ending war against the bugs deserve our respect, admiration, and probably a congressional medal or two…

S. P.
S. P.
2 years ago

@Feline

(There’s just about exactly one tale of candiru-human interaction, so far as I’ve seen, but it’s real and at least one more than the lobster story, which makes the fear reasonable at least.)

“What,” they said with increasing trepidation, “is the lobster story?”

@Lainy

I actually love the water, but I’m afraid of leeches (so lakes are out) and pool pee (so pools are out). Luckily I live in a place with a lot of rivers.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

@Gaebolga, you sound like a survivor of Klendathu.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@Lainy
My large sea mammal encounter was much less upsetting, although a tad scary. My family were walking on the shelves of rock and gravel that mostly serve us for beaches here when we came over a rise and face to face with an enormous sea lion. He (probably) lifted his head and grumbled loudly at us, which we took as our cue to turn smartly around and walk the hell back the way we came.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Guinea worms are something that really frighten me. I know my chances of ever getting one are pretty much nonexistent. I think they’re even close to eradicated. But I read about in National Geographic when I was in a doctor’s waiting room when I was a kid, got scared, and the feeling had stayed with me.

Closer to home, I’m very frightened of centipedes.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

@Moggie

Yeah, I always wanted to be a member of Rico’s Raiders.

Fun geek note, when I first heard the title for Jhonen Vasquez’s Nickelodeon kid’s show, my immediate thought was that it was about the drill sergeant in Starship Troopers. (I’m still wondering what mad genius or subversive agitator got the idea of getting Vasquez to create a children’s show. On Nickelodeon. Thank you, nameless hero!)

Feline
Feline
2 years ago

@S. P.

“What,” they said with increasing trepidation, “is the lobster story?”

Oh, merely one of those bits of Internet ephemera that was Snopes’ bread and butter before American politics made them a fact-checking agency.
DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK! NO JOKING! NOT A JOKING TVTROPES LINK! NOT JOKING AT ALL!
*pause*
I regret, for your sake, that you chose to click on that link.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

That cheese! I read the wiki excerpt out loud to Mr. Bookworm. He says that when he opens a café during the zombie apocalypse, that cheese will have to be on the menu.

@ Contract Jack, I guess I’m mostly scared of missing important deadlines.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

@kupo: Where that place is concerned, Poe’s Law can most certainly be said to be in force…

cornychips
cornychips
2 years ago

I fear waking up blind. Total terror when I open my eyes and they don’t adjust quickly enough.

Thank you so much Christian magazine that tells 6 year old me the story of a women waking up blind because it was just “Gods will.” I keep waiting for his will to catch up to me and fuck up my world because I like to see.

I am also afraid of monsters living in the closet. Those fuckers are scary.

S. P.
S. P.
2 years ago

@ Feline

I skipped the story and just read Snopes’ comments on it, but I think I gathered what supposedly happened well enough. And ugh ugh ugh ugh OH GOD. Not the idea that it’s real–it’s pretty obviously fake– but the fact that some two-bit Chuck Palahniuk thought this would be a worthy addition to the world of written literature.

(Aside: I completely forgot Palahniuk’s name and had to do some pretty bizarre searches to find it.)

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

I always sort of assumed that the cheese came about when some extremely poor people who had nothing to eat except moldy cheese received unexpected visitors and didn’t want to lose face. So they served up the magotty cheese, insisting it was a great delicacy and they were honoring their guests by letting them try it.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

@Bookworm

The concept of running a cafe during the zombie apocalypse is freakin’ genius! Someone needs to write that story….

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

Ugh, many comments posted in the time I was writing mine, and I went back to read them, and OH DEAR GOD I CLICKED THE LOBSTER LINK!!!!!!!!

*whimpers, hides*

On a happier note, Mr. Bookworm is indeed a freakin’ genius imho! If he ever writes his (certainly very darkly satirical) Breakfast at the Zombie Café story I’ll get him to share it here. 😆

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Oh, the lobster story. I fear getting that sent to me again by a supposedly well-meaning male colleague.

I also fear mansplainations. (That’s a word, right?) And crawly things with lots of legs. And insects burrowing in my ear.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

For some reason, I keep imagining that a constant feature of that story would be Mr. Bookworm having to explain, yet again, to some very earnest SJWs that he’s not prejudiced against zombies, but eventually felt he had no recourse but to ban them because none of them — not one — ever obeyed the “Please don’t eat the other customers” sign.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Reg Shoe would like a word with Mr. Bookworm about vitalist discrimination.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

“I’m not discriminating! I’d ban anyone who tried to eat another customer!”

“Couldn’t you just set up a separate room for them or something?”

“Oh, sure. Why don’t I get them a separate drinking fountain too, while I’m at it? You really expect me to believe you wouldn’t be right back in here complaining if I did that?”

“MLK said…”

“MLK wasn’t agitating for the right to cannibalism! Just because racists thought black people were cannibal savages doesn’t mean they actually were! What will it take to get it through your head that MLK isn’t a magic wand???

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
2 years ago

He uses the specific figure 30% because … science?

And I’m not surprised by the reference to things like “ladies’ nights” at bars; still butthurt over that. Why would this dood even go to a place like that – loud music, women with heavy makeup – all these things he clearly doesn’t like. He’s probably on the right politically, so hasn’t he heard of the free market?

BTW, how does he worship at a “pussy alter”? What is that? A substitute for pussy? Or does the dumb dood mean altar?

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Bakunin:
When you get right down to it, a lot of ‘regional cuisine’ is pretty much ‘what the poor people had to eat because that was all they had available if they didn’t want to starve’. Certainly this cheese sounds a whole lot like that.

See also: haggis.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

@Dalillama

Probably for the best. Sea lions are extremely territorial, especially if it’s mating season.

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
2 years ago

Don’t eat the maggot cheese!

Reason # 7 The live maggots in the cheese may get onto the person eating the cheese so diners must protect all orifices from these cheese ingredients.

Reason # 8 The maggots must be chewed well and must never be swallowed alive as these may set up residence in the digestive system and chew holes in it.(https://www.foodworldnews.com/articles/61914/20151209/8-incredible-reasons-casu-marzu-is-the-most-dangerous-cheese-in-the-world.htm)

@ JACK: FISH (*shivers*) I’m hard pressed to swim in a body of water that has the nasty things in it. When I was in 4th grade, or so, a grumpy fisherman told me a story about how there were catfish bigger than me in the lake that would tear off my arms and drag me to the bottom to rot. He may have been bitter that I was clattering around on the rocks and scaring the fish, but I was scarred for life. Also, snake-headed fish, above and beyond regular fish.

@topic: Sexual market value? Weirdos.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
2 years ago

“MLK wasn’t agitating for the right to cannibalism!”

😆

Moggie, Reg Shoe keeps applying to be a barista, even though we’ve told him that body-parts falling off into the coffee grinder are against all OH&S regulations as well as violating food-safety standards!

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

In the modern day I’m sure he’d be courteous enough to have himself laminated.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@Curious_Diversions:

Also, snake-headed fish, above and beyond regular fish.

The snake-like body plan is so useful it keeps re-evolving again and again. Among the invertebrates, we have worms, centipedes, millipedes, and caterpillars, and really more than one only-distantly-related kind of worm at that. Among vertebrate fish we have eels; among amphibians, caecilians; among reptiles, the snakes themselves; and though the birds and the mammals have had their big adaptive radiations starting too recently to have produced full equivalents yet (give it a few more tens of millions of years), the mammals appear to be off to a great start with the dachshund.

The fish-like form, for that matter, has evolved almost as many times: in fish themselves; some dinosaurs (now extinct); the cetacean mammals; and penguins.

Jane Done
Jane Done
2 years ago

@Feline, Lainy, S.P.

Actually even the “one documented case” of a fish getting inside the urethra is questionable. Possible, but no actual solid proof, as the evidence was rather sketchy. And that’s the closest to any kind of evidence that’s ever happened in recorded history, so don’t be worried.

https://www.decodedscience.org/candiru-a-dont-pee-in-the-water-horror-story-debunked/31635

Also your entire body is crawling with billions of bacteria, microorganisms and (mostly harmless) parasites from birth so that’s nothing in comparison.

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation wrote on
March 5, 2019 at 9:21 pm:

@Curious_Diversions:

Also, snake-headed fish, above and beyond regular fish.

The snake-like body plan is so useful it keeps re-evolving again and again […] and though the birds and the mammals have had their big adaptive radiations starting too recently to have produced full equivalents yet (give it a few more tens of millions of years), the mammals appear to be off to a great start with the dachshund.

[…]

I was expecting “ferret”, but you zagged instead of zigging. 😆

Robert
Robert
2 years ago

I remember reading about eyebrow mites. The squick faded once I realized that they’d *always* been there, and caused me no distress until I knew about them. Similar to the realization that about twenty pounds of my body weight is non-human cell tissue.

Regarding casu marzu – there are also cheeses that have mites deliberately introduced to the rind to enhance the ripening process. Milbenkase (with a ‘distinctive zesty aftertaste’!!!) and Mimolette, for example. The introduction of fly larvae into casu marzu (a type of pecorino) is intended to further its ripening due to the effect of the larval digestive fluids. It’s illegal even in the only place on Earth where people want to eat it.

I eat headcheese and chorizo, so I would have no fear of haggis should I ever have the opportunity to try it.

Some years ago I made the mistake of learning some marine biology. I now have mild thalassophobia – knowing what lives in sea water has eliminated any enthusiasm for immersing my body in it. More the microscopic life forms than anything else; the Wikipedia article on ‘marine microorganisms’ is real life nightmare fuel.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
2 years ago

Once again, I have to say that I love this community. I woke up this morning never guessing I’d be reading posts about MLK’s views on zombie rights. And Pratchett references too. You are my people and I love you.

Have a lovely day!

Kevin
Kevin
2 years ago

Mmm…haggis.

Simon
Simon
2 years ago

PUAs could (allegedly) walk into any nightclub and walk out with an HB7 or higher, no problem

They get to go home with a fancy pencil?

Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Green Hash Pronoun Boner
2 years ago

Yeah, the parasites… I’m not a huge fan of those either. I think I will add those, klowns (yes, with a ‘k’), and that horrible cheese.

I hope one of us finds that can of brain bleach soon!!!

FGETC
2 years ago

So, I read this thread and I think I’ve developed some new phobias in the process.

@Lainy
Regarding fear of sloths: I could easily understand why someone may find sloths disturbing.
They pee on themselves all day, grow algae in their fur and attract lots of small critters who like to live on them. Also I find the combination of their huge claws and unempathic facial expressions a bit unsettling.

I think horrifying things are interesting, and sloths can be cute from a safe distance, but I’m not sure I’d ever want to touch one.

Kätzenjammer
Kätzenjammer
2 years ago

I was going to say my biggest fears are karaoke and social interaction, but this thread has given me a whole host of traumatizing possibilities. Thinks about maggot cheese and shudders.

Gender Superposition
Gender Superposition
2 years ago

@IgnoreSandra

It sounds like you’re living your best succubus life, and I am here for it.

@ContractJack

I’m mostly scared of being trapped in a room with men who think they’re very smart and being forced to listen to them until my brain eats itself.

literally thousands

Yes, he spent six straight years nightclubing, thus he is a very healthy and well-adjusted individual.

Numerous other little details in the way clubs operate that remind men that women are considered more important. This is pure brainwashing at this point. Stuff like: free passes for women, free drinks for women, free tables for women, women waiting for men to buy them drinks (sacrifice your [balls] and dignity at the pussy alter), etc.

I don’t actually have a p***y. Is that why men never off to castrate themselves for me? Disappointing.

I mean I’m not saying I’d make them follow through, but the supplicatory gesture would be appreciated.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Robert, Kevin:
Actually, I like haggis myself. (Honestly, it mostly tastes like a somewhat liver-y meatloaf.) I like steak and kidney pie as well.

I mostly just brought it up as an example of ‘when you’re poor, you can’t afford to waste potential food’ and how that has resulted in a number of local foods that probably nobody else would have originally tried under anything other than desperation conditions.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
2 years ago

I mostly just brought it up as an example of ‘when you’re poor, you can’t afford to waste potential food’ and how that has resulted in a number of local foods that probably nobody else would have originally tried under anything other than desperation conditions.

Surströmming, anyone? 🤢