By David Futrelle
If you’re wondering whether Godwin’s Law still has a role to play in a world that’s once again filled with actual Nazis, the answer is yes, because how else are we going to deal with the so-called involuntary celibates on the Incels.is forums who are currently comparing their lack of a sex life to the literal Holocaust, and concluding that what they’re dealing with is somehow worse.
A week ago, one regular Incels.is commenter called lifeisbullshit95 dropped this alleged truth bomb on his incel colleagues:
![[It's Over] Social media and dating apps have killed more men than both world war combined](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Captureyg9hu08ji-.png?fit=600%2C384)
His message was somehow even more inflammatory than his headline, an all-caps wall-of-text rant, sans line breaks and even punctuation, declaring that all but the handsomest of men are suffering a “NEW HOLOCAUST” because of Facebook and Tinder.
“THIS IS THE NEW HOLOCAUST,” he began.
HITLER TARGETED THE JEWS TINDER AND SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE TARGETED SUB8 MEN WE’RE DYING A PAINFUL SEXLESS LIFE FULL OF SUFFERING AND DEPRESSION
Huh. Quick survey: Raise your hand if you’re a SUB8 MAN and you’ve had sex. Hell, raise your hand if you’re SUB8 and still alive, despite all the Holocausting from Tinder and Facebook.
Oh, but apparently you don’t have to be physically dead to count as a dude killed by social media.
HOW MANY LIFE TINDER,INSTAGRAM,FACEBOOK ECC HAVE CLAIMED YET? LIVING A SEXLESS LIFE ISN’T LIVING
Raise your hand if you’re not having sex at the moment but are somehow still living a life worth living.
ESPECIALLY AS MAN THEY DEFINITELY CLAIM MY LIFE AND THE SADDEST THING IS THAT NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WE’RE LEFT GETTING MURDERED
I can’t help but think of poor, rollerskating Terry on Reno 911.
Of course, Reno 911 was a comedy, and lifeisbullshit95, who has posted more than 700 decidedly non-humorous comments to Incels.is forums, isn’t kidding.
Like many incels lifeisbullshit95 is convinced that social media makes women too stuck up to even consider having sex with any but the most Chadly of men. This, as it turns out, is a widespread belief in the Manosphere, promoted by everyone from MRA douchebag Paul Elam to PUA douchebags like Roosh V to the denizens of MGTOWforums,,com. As these misogynistic men see it, women on dating sites and social media get so much flattery from thirsty men that they come to see themselves as better than the “looksmatched” men they should be dating. (Incels don’t really seem to understand how many of the “flattering” messages that women get online are literal dick pics or otherwise creepy as fuck.)
NOBODY FIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE DATING APPS THAT HAS GIVEN SO MUCH POWER TO WOMEN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC IS TABOO
And so somehow we’re back in 1930s Germany, but this time women are Hitler.
HITLER CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THE GERMANS WERE AN- GRY AND WANTED A REVOLUTION WOMEN CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THEY FELT ANGRY ABOUT NOT HAVING EQUAL RIGHTS AND WANTED A REVOLUTION IT’S ALL SO SIMILAR
And now these Hitler-women are using dating apps to sex genocide all but the top 20% of men.
BOTH HITLER AND THE DATING APPS HAD AS A GOAL TO WEED OUT FROM EXISTANCE THE INFERIOR MEN
You may wonder how exactly not getting matches on Tinder is similar to being murdered in a death camp. Lifeisbullshit95 has this, er, answer:
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE? DYING IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS STILL DYING WE’RE THE VICTIMS OF THE NEW HOLOCAUST MY FRIENDS.
Okey dokey then.
You may wonder if any of the other incels stopped for a moment and told lifeisbullshit95 that he was completely full of shit. The answer, of course, is no.
“my face is rotting each day and female hypergamy is only getting potentialized with dating apps,” wrote someone calling himself JeffGoldblumInTheFly, and perhaps taking his handle a little too seriously, “its fucking over.”
“Dating apps and social media not only killed men but it make us suffer,” declared someone called Cuyen.
JeffGoldblum and Cuyen have, together, posted more than 20,000 messages on Incels.is, so I’m pretty sure they’re not drive-by trolls.
And even if JeffGoldblumInTheFly is joking about his face rotting away like, well, Jeff Goldblum’s face in “The Fly,” incels do believe that as each day passes they become ever less likely to ever validate their lives by having sex with a woman. More importantly, his comment here serves to offer its own sort of validation — of lifeisbullshit95’s hyperbolic, hateful rhetoric blaming women for essentially every problem in men’s lives.
Social media and dating apps don’t kill, but depression does, and sites like Incels.is add to the problem by steering young, desperate men away from real help and into a hateful, self-destructive fantasy world. That’s the real danger here.
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@Kiwiwriter
I can’t really speak to the culture of mid-80s New Zealand, and I expect you were young and approaching young women also learning how to give and take rejection gracefully.
But if someone was getting those kinds of responses after asking women out, especially calls to security nowadays , I’d think they were doing something wrong. Something creepy or actually threatening. One call to security might be due to a terrible misunderstanding. Meeting routine hostility or calls for help means women are scared of you.
This message is less to you ( congratulations on finding a partnership that has suited you both for decades now ) but to any stray incel-leaners who might believe women regularly call security on men for merely asking them to coffee. Often we do say no, because most people are partnered or busy or not interested at any given time. Still most women are flattered rather than insulted by a friendly respectful pressure-free expression of interest by someone who who is able to take no for an answer.
@Kiwiwrkter – your post about treating women honestly and respectfully is fine, but you also say you had women commonly call security on you / ask their boyfriend to kill you. This literaly never happened to me, nor to any other man I know. Something doesn’t ass up here. You probably were treating them with much less respect than you think you did.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’d totally go for that.
@Kiwiwriter
Co-signing Kupo. To get “SECURITY!” as a response from someone, you pretty much have to be making them feel threatened.
Also, stop being garbage. As you are in this:
Hi, so, I have asperger’s. And for a significant portion of my life, I was treated like a cis man which was horribly destructive for me. I didn’t get responses like those. I got “I don’t really share your interest, sorry” “I’m just not in a dating phase right now” “I’m actually not into men” and other phrases to that effect. Things that sound wholly truthful. Even when the world was so invested in pretending I was a man.
If you’re getting the responses you were getting, that’s not something you can just say “Oh I have asperger’s therefore I can’t deal with people or be social and respectful111!!!” and then not have to deal with it.
Social skills are skills like any other. I learned them, and there’s a pretty significant difference between just not imitating the neurotypical and being an asshole.
@Ambassador Kat, Jane Done:
For an earlier version, see also Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Jeffrey Skilling: Oh I can’t help myself. You know what the difference between the state of California and Titanic? And this is being webcast, and I know I’m going to regret this – at least when the Titanic went down, the lights were on.
Anyone in the mood to sip Nazi tears?
Jacob Wohl was banned from Twitter.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/jacob-wohl-banned-twitter/
Turns out boasting publicly about creating fake accounts for the purpose of spreading disinformation might not be the brightest of ideas.
Actually I was growing up in the 1980s in New York City….Christchurch, New Zealand, is my adopted home town because that’s where I got married, where I had my first home, my daughter was born, and I had my first dog. But what you said still applies…I had NO ability to talk to people.
The only time security was called for was once, when my self-loathing led to me being an obnoxious drunk at a party…nor was I actually asking any women out when security was called. I was shouting and yelling at people in a drunken haze.
The only time security was called for was once, when my self-loathing led to me being an obnoxious drunk at a party…nor was I actually asking any women out when security was called. I was shouting and yelling at people in a drunken haze.
I guess I have to explain those answers a bit:
A good number of girls were impressed with me, but they came equipped with boyfriends. These girls would tell me that some would enjoy meeting me for the common interests, others were insanely jealous.
The girls who hurled harsh responses to me were not very common — they tended to be have their own senses of entitlement.
The “let’s go to my lesbian rights rally” happened once, but it’s too funny to omit it. I thought it was the ultimate “Go to hell.” It turned out she was serious…she was indeed a lesbian, and wanted to get me politically involved. I also got an invite to attend a Mormon church service instead of a date, but I drop that from my routine, simply because of its lack of laughs.
There was also the girl who said she would go out with me…if I researched for her what parties the pre-meds on campus attended. I picked my jaw up off the floor and asked, “Why do you need to know that?”
“Daddy says they can take good care of me,” she said.
My jaw hit the floor again. This was in 1983.
Out of morbid curiosity, I looked her up on the Internet, and by Willy Dingo, she got her dream…she is married to a doctor in Arizona.
I got the rejection phrases you got, but always found that the list I give has been a hell of a lot funnier, over the years. If nothing else, I try to find some humor in my life, if only to find a reason to keep from being overwhelmed.
I also would joke about walking around my college campus wearing a black robe, a light-up neon “SINGLE AND DESPERATE” sign, ringing a bell, which would guarantee everyone would stay away. I still do.
I was and still am very aware that I am a deadly combination of an Aspergian who is a total bloody moron. Which is why, at age 56, I look back, and see my life as a failure…not even Apollo 13’s “successful failure,” but a failure.
The only thing I think I’ve done right is play a reasonably significant role in raising my daughter. She has a strong sense of morality and an excellent ability to get along with people, graduated 11th in her high school, got nearly a full ride to a top liberal arts college in Maine (complete with a half term back in New Zealand), graduated in the top 26 percent of her class, and a few months later, is working full-time in her computer science field at a publishing start-up, writing code for interactive children’s books that are written in Swahili in Africa, then translated into English here, and sold on the web to kids.
The reason that happened is because every time I was in a difficult situation with her, I simply remembered what my mother or my teachers or my schoolmates said to me…and then did absolutely the opposite. It worked. The last time I disciplined my daughter was when she was in the fourth grade. After that, she disciplined me.
The rest…well, getting an MFA in Creative Writing and $2.75 gets me a ride on the New York Subway. I would have been a lot better off if I had been able to solve math problems and become a biochemist, engineer, or mathematician.
LOLOLOLOL
Best laugh I’ve had today. Good luck with that.
I had to admit, it was kind of weird for me to discover that some female celebrities upon whom I had crushes came out of the closet…Kristy McNichol, Tatum O’Neal, Kelly McGillis, Cynthia Nixon, Whitney Houston, Jane Lynch, Sarah Paulson, and Jodie Foster. I think it had something to do with them being feisty.
That is definitely a definition of stupidity and hubris.
“Thoughts and prayers.”
Equipped oy s a weird word, here. I’d avoid it.
That’s nice? What are you even saying with this?
Ah, yes, if a woman makes it clear you make her feel unsafe she must have entitlement issues. ?
Oh my gosh WWTH thank you for sharing that.
This dickbutt says he wants to set up a leftist media group, with him as a right-wing shitlord, and when the interviewer says “don’t you think that’s deceptive?” He says “I disagree, I prefer the word disingenuous.”
What a garbage lad. At least he’s now in a state where the banks won’t talk to him, his political credibility is ruined, and now he can’t even post a tweet on the bird site. Maybe he’ll go to Gab.
I’m glad his world is slowly collapsing in on itself, like a flan in a cupboard.
Unexpected Eddie Izzard?
@Kiwiwriter
Us youths find love just find. I fell off a curb and my fiancé caught me. And then he picked up all the things that fell out of my bag and helped me put my shoes back on. I just wanted the earth to open up and swallow me. and he got in trouble for breaking formation to help me. Gravity was one of the first steps into getting me to fall for him. (pun intended and I’m proud of it). Believe it or not most guys in their 20’s aren’t incels.
Jacob Wohl was Twitterpermabanned????
YESSSSSS!
Ahem. Now who are we going to turn to for Bizarroworld reportbacks from hipster coffee shops where everyone, for some reason known only to Bog, thinks Donnie’s an amazingly fantastic Dear Leader with a YUGE penis?
Also, there’s a YouTube channel y’all might enjoy following for hilarious readings of NiceGuys™, incels, and other assorted NeckbeardThings™:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjK6ZkNZjhxez72K3cVeIgA
They’re from Finland, in case the flag in the back isn’t a dead giveaway.
Interesting to note: J.Wohl tried starting another twitter account shortly after learning his was banned, with @jacobwohlalt as the name. It’s been suspended now, too.
Hopefully they find all of his “alt”s.
I wonder if Jacob Wohl is a Trump Yes-man… (nudge nudge wink wink ?)
Jacob Wohl makes me feel so Boomer. He’s such a grandiose grifter, which seems extra wrong in someone so young. I find myself wanting to yell “get a proper job”, which is rather shameful.
Let’s hope he chains himself to Twitter HQ or something equally Loomerish.
I haven’t seen it but my husband has. He was very disappointed since huge chunks of it are completely made up bs and the timeline was all wrong. He liked the performances, but some of the made up stuff was quite upsetting to him eg. the made up feud between Freddie & the rest of the band.
How the hell do you make a film about Queen and Freddie Mercury, and think “these guys aren’t interesting enough, we’ll need to make stuff up”?
@weirwoodtreehugger
I still find him kinda surreal. He has such a ridiculous name (J. A. Wohl? Seriously?) and he is so desparately trying to be an evil mastermind and so utterly incompetent and blind to his own failings that each evil plan he makes just fails miserably. He’s like a villain out of a cartoon for young children.
Ugh. They were both in my city, Minneapolis the other day. Probably because hating Ilhan Omar is becoming a thing on the right. They went to a mosque and claimed we are some sort of a dystopic hellhole because of our Somali community. Which is hardly news as they started immigrating here in the 90s.
I mean, it does feel like hell here right now because we’re having the snowiest Feb. on record and it’s even colder than average lately. But in seriousness, the Twin Cities consistently ranks among the lowest unemployment and highest quality of life in the country and Minneapolis is pretty prosperous and well run. Weather aside, it’s about as good as gets in the US. It’s going to be very laughable if the right is going to try to sell us as horrible broken place simply because we have a progressive Somali-American congressperson.
Pie,
Right? It’s like he took a typical anonymous internet trolling persona and decided to bring it out into “real” life. He might as well just print out an anime or ancient philosopher bust avatar picture and tape it over his face.
OT: This story popped up on a tech site I read: a games publisher called Nordic THQ thought it would be a good idea to host an “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) event on Gamergate hive of scum and villainy, 8chan ?. Yes, 8chan, the imageboard that acted as a hub for doxxing attacks and hosted child porn for special FREEZE PEACH reasons, but if anyone pointed this out THEY were the pedophiles! (Extreme content warning on that link)
Apart from the hollow “we didn’t know what a shitpit 8chan was, honest, guv’nor!” excuses coming from Nordic THQ, the comments at Ars Technica are (as you’d expect) full of assholes trying to downplay and justify– and at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, the Mammoth’s Razor needs to be wielded. Look at this:
Emphasis mine. Fuck you, guy. What does being autistic have to do with being the kind of shitty person who hangs out at 8chan?
Thankfully, the regulars at Ars Technica seem to be having none of it.
How I met all five of my long-term partners:
1. A mutual friend’s party. I wasn’t actually looking for a relationship, but she rang me out of the blue a few days later (she’d got the number from our friend) and one thing led to another.
2. She was the PA to a regular client; we got to know each other pretty well over the phone for over a year before we met – we were usually both bored, so were happy to chat at length.
3. A regular at a place I used to manage – I found out much later that she immediately asked a colleague if I was spoken for, and then waited patiently until I was legitimately free a few months later (I had no idea about any of this at the time).
4. Usenet posts (remember them?) leading to private emails – again, we didn’t meet in person for several months, mainly because we lived in different countries.
5. An online dating forum: I’d posted a pictureless ad in a moment of drunken self-pity, while she’d just that moment decided to abandon her “no picture, no date” rule and start looking for people who could write well and make her laugh. The next morning, I was just about to delete my ad when I saw it had attracted a single reply.
I married the last one eighteen months later and we’re not far off notching up two full decades.
And one thing that really strikes me about that list is how often, contrary to stereotype, she made the first or most decisive move – and I’m about as far from a stereotypical Chad as it’s possible to imagine.