By David Futrelle
If you’re wondering whether Godwin’s Law still has a role to play in a world that’s once again filled with actual Nazis, the answer is yes, because how else are we going to deal with the so-called involuntary celibates on the Incels.is forums who are currently comparing their lack of a sex life to the literal Holocaust, and concluding that what they’re dealing with is somehow worse.
A week ago, one regular Incels.is commenter called lifeisbullshit95 dropped this alleged truth bomb on his incel colleagues:
![[It's Over] Social media and dating apps have killed more men than both world war combined](https://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Captureyg9hu08ji-.png?fit=600%2C384)
His message was somehow even more inflammatory than his headline, an all-caps wall-of-text rant, sans line breaks and even punctuation, declaring that all but the handsomest of men are suffering a “NEW HOLOCAUST” because of Facebook and Tinder.
“THIS IS THE NEW HOLOCAUST,” he began.
HITLER TARGETED THE JEWS TINDER AND SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE TARGETED SUB8 MEN WE’RE DYING A PAINFUL SEXLESS LIFE FULL OF SUFFERING AND DEPRESSION
Huh. Quick survey: Raise your hand if you’re a SUB8 MAN and you’ve had sex. Hell, raise your hand if you’re SUB8 and still alive, despite all the Holocausting from Tinder and Facebook.
Oh, but apparently you don’t have to be physically dead to count as a dude killed by social media.
HOW MANY LIFE TINDER,INSTAGRAM,FACEBOOK ECC HAVE CLAIMED YET? LIVING A SEXLESS LIFE ISN’T LIVING
Raise your hand if you’re not having sex at the moment but are somehow still living a life worth living.
ESPECIALLY AS MAN THEY DEFINITELY CLAIM MY LIFE AND THE SADDEST THING IS THAT NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WE’RE LEFT GETTING MURDERED
I can’t help but think of poor, rollerskating Terry on Reno 911.
Of course, Reno 911 was a comedy, and lifeisbullshit95, who has posted more than 700 decidedly non-humorous comments to Incels.is forums, isn’t kidding.
Like many incels lifeisbullshit95 is convinced that social media makes women too stuck up to even consider having sex with any but the most Chadly of men. This, as it turns out, is a widespread belief in the Manosphere, promoted by everyone from MRA douchebag Paul Elam to PUA douchebags like Roosh V to the denizens of MGTOWforums,,com. As these misogynistic men see it, women on dating sites and social media get so much flattery from thirsty men that they come to see themselves as better than the “looksmatched” men they should be dating. (Incels don’t really seem to understand how many of the “flattering” messages that women get online are literal dick pics or otherwise creepy as fuck.)
NOBODY FIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE DATING APPS THAT HAS GIVEN SO MUCH POWER TO WOMEN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC IS TABOO
And so somehow we’re back in 1930s Germany, but this time women are Hitler.
HITLER CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THE GERMANS WERE AN- GRY AND WANTED A REVOLUTION WOMEN CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THEY FELT ANGRY ABOUT NOT HAVING EQUAL RIGHTS AND WANTED A REVOLUTION IT’S ALL SO SIMILAR
And now these Hitler-women are using dating apps to sex genocide all but the top 20% of men.
BOTH HITLER AND THE DATING APPS HAD AS A GOAL TO WEED OUT FROM EXISTANCE THE INFERIOR MEN
You may wonder how exactly not getting matches on Tinder is similar to being murdered in a death camp. Lifeisbullshit95 has this, er, answer:
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE? DYING IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS STILL DYING WE’RE THE VICTIMS OF THE NEW HOLOCAUST MY FRIENDS.
Okey dokey then.
You may wonder if any of the other incels stopped for a moment and told lifeisbullshit95 that he was completely full of shit. The answer, of course, is no.
“my face is rotting each day and female hypergamy is only getting potentialized with dating apps,” wrote someone calling himself JeffGoldblumInTheFly, and perhaps taking his handle a little too seriously, “its fucking over.”
“Dating apps and social media not only killed men but it make us suffer,” declared someone called Cuyen.
JeffGoldblum and Cuyen have, together, posted more than 20,000 messages on Incels.is, so I’m pretty sure they’re not drive-by trolls.
And even if JeffGoldblumInTheFly is joking about his face rotting away like, well, Jeff Goldblum’s face in “The Fly,” incels do believe that as each day passes they become ever less likely to ever validate their lives by having sex with a woman. More importantly, his comment here serves to offer its own sort of validation — of lifeisbullshit95’s hyperbolic, hateful rhetoric blaming women for essentially every problem in men’s lives.
Social media and dating apps don’t kill, but depression does, and sites like Incels.is add to the problem by steering young, desperate men away from real help and into a hateful, self-destructive fantasy world. That’s the real danger here.
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@rugbyyogi – it seems your partner started out with you being honest (explicitly said he was seeing someone else) and decent (offered to cancel). So, no surprise it worked.
This jerk thinks that being unable to get a girlfriend is worse than Hitler and his entourage starting a war that butchered 56 million people?
He’s dying of self-pity? He thinks he’s being genocided because lacks the social skills and economic base to find himself a girlfriend? And it’s the world’s fault?
Here’s all I have to say to him:
“Thoughts and prayers.”
Quoth the raven: What the hell did I just read??!
“Sex Genocide” is my band name
Seriously, though (well actually not but still) this JeffGoldblumInTheFly motherfucker. He’s dropping references of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly and it is fascinating me. How does this happen? That an incel, complaining about incel things, is also cracking jokes about the bad things? In the theme of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly?
Is he joking around? Does he actually think that being an incel is like being Jeff Goldblum in The Fly? Does he think his face is actually melting? Was this a funny thing that he’s now 20,000 posts deep on and is now fully a co-conspirator, or was he always sincere?
It’s frickin fascinating is what it is. As an entomologist of course.
Man, I remember when I cared about Forum post totals. Only I did it on DeviantART circa 2005. Even their politics forum was far less toxic than this nonsense.
I find it intensely hilarious that he couldn’t be bothered to put periods at the end of his sentences in this screed but he did stop to put the apostrophe in “we’re.”
OT: So finally watched Bohemian Rhapsody and after taking a day or two to process it… watching it, I was enjoying watching Malek channel Freddy and bobbing my head to the music, but I kept on waiting for some kind of thematic arc to draw me in and while they tried to make it Mercury’s loneliness and emotional distance, they kept on muddling it up with confused interactions between Mary and Freddy while making the entire gay lifestyle of the 70s and 80s seem seedy and destructive. The minute I saw trucker Adam Lambert walking seductively into the men’s room, I was like “Oh dear, this is going to be the AIDS arc, isn’t it?” The ham-fisted symbolism of the window-lit clinic hallway was a nice touch.
At least we got a decent recreation of the Live Aid performance.
My best friend/roomie keeps on insisting that I should download Tinder, instead of just lazing around all day long.
I remember back in the day when I desperately wanted to get into a relationship. Now though, I see them as too much work involved that would consume what little time I have. And being finally free after having taken care of my dying father, and being deprived of weekends for two years, I can honestly say I do not want children.
Fuck that, I’ve already changed enough diapers and put up with enough tantrums to last me a lifetime.
Why can’t people just accept that some people are actually happy and goddamn satisfied without a relationship?
Maybe that’ll change in the future, once I get over the trauma of having absolutely no free time whatsoever, but as of now I’ll take my Netflix, movies and books. Thank you very much.
Yeah dating apps are worse than both world wars and the Holocaust. I think its safe to say that “lifeisbullshit95” has never suffered through any real hardship for his entire life.
@ Scildfreja Unnyðnes:
For that matter, didn’t Jeff Goldblum’s character in The Fly have a girlfriend for most of the movie, who remained loyal despite his mutation until it caused him to start getting violent?
Well, his name says it all…he’s a whiny 23-year-old kid, grew up with some middle-class privilege, and thinks he’s entitled to more privilege by virtue of his economic, ethnic, and social status.
My suggestion? Go visit a VA Hospital and talk with the guys there who had their limbs blown off in our terrible wars, and hear about what happened to them. At age 23. Or younger.
On that note, I think it’s important to highlight that there’s nothing wrong with being picky. You get to set your standards however you like and that’s fine. I’ll go as far as saying that it’s healthy to have a clear idea about what sort of person you’re interested in and, conversely, who you’re not interested in. It lets you make better choices and avoid bad situations.
However, a few things follow from that, which incels typically miss (or ignore because they’re entitled little shits):
1) You don’t get to blame other people for not living up to your standards. They are who they are and if that’s not what you want, then move on.
2) They get to have their standards, too. Just because someone is perfect for you doesn’t mean you’re perfect for them. They get to make their own choice, just as surely as you get to make yours.
This is probably preaching to the choir, but I guess I’m hoping some incel-in-training drops by, has an epiphany, and stops sabotaging their own life. And other people’s.
*raises hand*
But. *sigh* I suppose it doesn’t count because I’m a feeemale. An old, fat, ugly one at that.
But. I used to have a very high libido and got rather anxious, depressed, and sometimes even angry* if I wasn’t getting sex on the regular. That all changed during perimenopause and now I’m pretty much ace.
Even though I have very few regrets about my past (which I really quite enjoyed) It’s really a relief not to be the way I was when I was much younger! I’m enjoying other things that I didn’t have the time/energy for before.
*I never blamed anyone else for this, though. It was probably more frustration than anger, tbh.
On that note, I think it’s important to highlight that there’s nothing wrong with being picky. You get to set your standards however you like and that’s fine. I’ll go as far as saying that it’s healthy to have a clear idea about what sort of person you’re interested in and, conversely, who you’re not interested in. It lets you make better choices and avoid bad situations.
However, a few things follow from that, which incels typically miss (or ignore because they’re entitled little shits):
1) You don’t get to blame other people for not living up to your standards. They are who they are and if that’s not what you want, then move on.
2) They get to have their standards, too. Just because someone is perfect for you doesn’t mean you’re perfect for them. They get to make their own choice, just as surely as you get to make yours.
This is probably preaching to the choir, but I guess I’m hoping some incel-in-training drops by, has an epiphany, and stops sabotaging their own life. And other people’s.
@Critical Dragon: I find it questionable if he can even spell “hardship”.
Without OK Cupid I wouldn’t have net my husband, whom they would probably deem a ‘Sub8’. I’m really picky, but not about what they expect. Couldn’t care less about muscles or height, it’s all about respect and geekiness for me.
OT, but I can’t even read the world “sexless” anymore without this earworm popping into my head since hearing it a few years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdkBFJEoHes
(The entire album is available on Bandcamp. It’s very good in a genre-bending way; they describe themselves as “post-gothic, post-political, post-dance, post-human” ?)
OT: Emma Thompson’s letter to Skydance: Why I can’t work for John Lasseter. Brutal and surgical, if that’s not a contradiction in terms.
Is anyone else finding their enjoyment of films tarnished by wondering who involved with the production is an abusive douchebro? I mean, Lasseter? I didn’t expect that.
It upsets me that just about every actress in Hollywood upon whom I have or have had a crush on is the victim of sexual mistreatment. For some reason, it makes me ashamed to have that crush.
@schiljfreja –
if nothing else, incels’ insulting names for women and their (supposed) evil acts would make *great* names for all-girl punk rock bands.
“Sex genocide”, “cock carousel”, or just “the femoids” would be quite cool, but my favorite is still “the ambulatory vaginas”.
@Pie:
lol I applaud your memeing skillz
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@Ambassador Kat:
Christ this lady is late to the party. First time I saw the cambridge analytica videos I thought “these guys literally talk like comic-book supervillians”. And then everyone forgot about the videos like last week’s dank memes.
Still, at least someone with a voice is finally saying it.
@Kiwiwriter:
I don’t think feminists want to abolish male sexuality, and while it’s certainly complicated by rape culture, power and privilege, etc, it’s not evil or wrong for a man to have feelings for a woman. If anything, women need more men to have feelings, but respectfully; to show the world esp other men how to have crushes, relationships, sex, etc in healthy, consensual ways.
I mean I suppose crushes are usually one-sided but most everyone has one once or more. It’s more about dealing with those feelings the right way than self-hatred for having them.
I understand why he hates Tinder. I can’t stand the app either. It does have a dehumanizing effect which I find very off-putting, but I’m not sure the dynamic is quite so gendered as all that. (See this article, which indicates that while Tinder/other dating apps are indeed harder on less-attractive men, it’s not as if women are not also sorted and judged based on their appearance.) We can acknowledge this disparity – and the different experiences of men and women on these apps – without going off the deep end.
You won’t find any disagreement from me, there.
I just find myself thinking how, in today’s society, men and women can find romance and love.
Personally, I think guys should cut out the stupid nonsense of “pick-up lines,” and other forms of self-indulgent preening.
Just tell the girl at the party that you find her very interesting, and would she like to have a drink or a cup of coffee after it’s over, if it’s not too late. And then over the drink or the coffee, try not to sound like an arrogant blowhard whose only desire is to find out what’s under that dress and play with it.
Treat her with respect. How hard is that?
All I know is that until I met and married my wife, I got the following responses from women:
1. “You are very nice, but my boyfriend would like to meet/kill you.”
2. “I’d rather eat worms than go out with you.”
3. “Only if we can go to my lesbian rights rally.” (I thought she was humiliating me. Nope, she was serious.)
4. “SECURITY!”
Fortunately, my wife and I have known each other for 34 years and been married for 24 years. I couldn’t live without her.
People are managing this just fine. Why are you concerned by this? What makes you think people aren’t able to do this in today’s society?
Sounds like you weren’t treating them with much respect if these were the responses you got.
I just find myself thinking how, in today’s society, men and women can find romance and love.
People are managing this just fine. Why are you concerned by this? What makes you think people aren’t able to do this in today’s society?
All I know is that until I met and married my wife, I got the following responses from women:
1. “You are very nice, but my boyfriend would like to meet/kill you.”
2. “I’d rather eat worms than go out with you.”
3. “Only if we can go to my lesbian rights rally.” (I thought she was humiliating me. Nope, she was serious.)
4. “SECURITY!”