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The Tindercaust? Incel claims dating apps and social media “have killed more men than both world wars”

Hitler: Not as bad as Facebook or Tinder?

By David Futrelle

If you’re wondering whether Godwin’s Law still has a role to play in a world that’s once again filled with actual Nazis, the answer is yes, because how else are we going to deal with the so-called involuntary celibates on the Incels.is forums who are currently comparing their lack of a sex life to the literal Holocaust, and concluding that what they’re dealing with is somehow worse.

A week ago, one regular Incels.is commenter called lifeisbullshit95 dropped this alleged truth bomb on his incel colleagues:

[It's Over] Social media and dating apps have killed more men than both world war combined

His message was somehow even more inflammatory than his headline, an all-caps wall-of-text rant, sans line breaks and even punctuation, declaring that all but the handsomest of men are suffering a “NEW HOLOCAUST” because of Facebook and Tinder.

“THIS IS THE NEW HOLOCAUST,” he began.

HITLER TARGETED THE JEWS TINDER AND SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE TARGETED SUB8 MEN WE’RE DYING A PAINFUL SEXLESS LIFE FULL OF SUFFERING AND DEPRESSION

Huh. Quick survey: Raise your hand if you’re a SUB8 MAN and you’ve had sex. Hell, raise your hand if you’re SUB8 and still alive, despite all the Holocausting from Tinder and Facebook.

Oh, but apparently you don’t have to be physically dead to count as a dude killed by social media.

HOW MANY LIFE TINDER,INSTAGRAM,FACEBOOK ECC HAVE CLAIMED YET? LIVING A SEXLESS LIFE ISN’T LIVING

Raise your hand if you’re not having sex at the moment but are somehow still living a life worth living.

ESPECIALLY AS MAN THEY DEFINITELY CLAIM MY LIFE AND THE SADDEST THING IS THAT NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WE’RE LEFT GETTING MURDERED

I can’t help but think of poor, rollerskating Terry on Reno 911.

Of course, Reno 911 was a comedy, and lifeisbullshit95, who has posted more than 700 decidedly non-humorous comments to Incels.is forums, isn’t kidding.

Like many incels lifeisbullshit95 is convinced that social media makes women too stuck up to even consider having sex with any but the most Chadly of men. This, as it turns out, is a widespread belief in the Manosphere, promoted by everyone from MRA douchebag Paul Elam to PUA douchebags like Roosh V to the denizens of MGTOWforums,,com. As these misogynistic men see it, women on dating sites and social media get so much flattery from thirsty men that they come to see themselves as better than the “looksmatched” men they should be dating. (Incels don’t really seem to understand how many of the “flattering” messages that women get online are literal dick pics or otherwise creepy as fuck.)

NOBODY FIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE DATING APPS THAT HAS GIVEN SO MUCH POWER TO WOMEN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC IS TABOO

And so somehow we’re back in 1930s Germany, but this time women are Hitler.

HITLER CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THE GERMANS WERE AN- GRY AND WANTED A REVOLUTION WOMEN CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THEY FELT ANGRY ABOUT NOT HAVING EQUAL RIGHTS AND WANTED A REVOLUTION IT’S ALL SO SIMILAR

And now these Hitler-women are using dating apps to sex genocide all but the top 20% of men.

BOTH HITLER AND THE DATING APPS HAD AS A GOAL TO WEED OUT FROM EXISTANCE THE INFERIOR MEN

You may wonder how exactly not getting matches on Tinder is similar to being murdered in a death camp. Lifeisbullshit95 has this, er, answer:

WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE? DYING IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS STILL DYING WE’RE THE VICTIMS OF THE NEW HOLOCAUST MY FRIENDS.

Okey dokey then.

You may wonder if any of the other incels stopped for a moment and told lifeisbullshit95 that he was completely full of shit. The answer, of course, is no.

“my face is rotting each day and female hypergamy is only getting potentialized with dating apps,” wrote someone calling himself JeffGoldblumInTheFly, and perhaps taking his handle a little too seriously, “its fucking over.”

“Dating apps and social media not only killed men but it make us suffer,” declared someone called Cuyen.

JeffGoldblum and Cuyen have, together, posted more than 20,000 messages on Incels.is, so I’m pretty sure they’re not drive-by trolls.

And even if JeffGoldblumInTheFly is joking about his face rotting away like, well, Jeff Goldblum’s face in “The Fly,” incels do believe that as each day passes they become ever less likely to ever validate their lives by having sex with a woman. More importantly, his comment here serves to offer its own sort of validation — of lifeisbullshit95’s hyperbolic, hateful rhetoric blaming women for essentially every problem in men’s lives.

Social media and dating apps don’t kill, but depression does, and sites like Incels.is add to the problem by steering young, desperate men away from real help and into a hateful, self-destructive fantasy world. That’s the real danger here.

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epronovost
epronovost
2 years ago

Wouldn’t dating apps also make men “super duper picky” following that same logic? Afterall, they now have a way to get into contact with way more “Stacy” then their ancestor who were stuck in villages and town, pinning after the same 20 or so young, unmarried women. Plus, with the rise of fashion magasine and porn, the idea that women need to look ridiculously pretty to be considered attractive should gain strength. The only positive thing about incels in general is that they are about as stupid as they are hateful. If they were smarter, they would be an even greater menace.

Bina
2 years ago

Raise your hand if you’re not having sex at the moment but are somehow still living a live worth living.

(hand shoots up)

Yeah, I haven’t done it in YEARS. Still living, and still think life is worthwhile. Wouldn’t mine having someone to do it with, but yeah, I’m picky. And not ashamed of it. Incel who thinks I’m Hitler can fuck right off with that.

HITLER CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THE GERMANS WERE AN- GRY AND WANTED A REVOLUTION WOMEN CAME TO POWER BECAUSE THEY FELT ANGRY ABOUT NOT HAVING EQUAL RIGHTS AND WANTED A REVOLUTION IT’S ALL SO SIMILAR

NO IT FUCKING IS NOT.

Hitler actually LIKED seeing women repressed, in both their sexuality and in terms of men to choose from. Why do you think he was so squicked out by the thought of German women doing it with black guys and Jews?

Also, Hitler was NOT about equal rights. For ANYONE.

I can’t believe anyone still has to point this out in 20-fucking-19.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

Wow how pathetic of them.

Bakunin
Bakunin
2 years ago

Dude, you’re what 23-24 years old? Get some fucking perspective and quit reading incel bullshit.

Bina
2 years ago

Ugh…rereading my post, and noting a typo: Wouldn’t MIND, not MINE. Sorry ’bout that.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

LIVING A SEXLESS LIFE ISN’T LIVING

It isn’t? Shit, I must be doing something other than living, then. Existing as some eldritch and unknowable entity beyond the realms of human comprehension, maybe? I could dig that.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@Catalpa
Oh noes I’m an elder god! *cries in fthagn

tohka
tohka
2 years ago

Aren’t alot of online dating profiles just bots anyway lol. Social media is toxic, yes, alot fo developers from snap chat to instagram have said how these sites are designed to be addicting like gambling. The instagram perfect life is seriously harmful along with the completely unrealistic body expectations and FOMO continues to rise from it (something I struggle with alot) – – there are so many problems when it comes to SM. But incels can’t blame anything but themselves for their actions. They’re the same guys who cheer for killing women yet wants women to like them.

Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
2 years ago

Sometimes I read this nonsense to Mr. Skylala and this time his response was “Is there anything below 0, because that’s what I am, or they’ll have to readjust the scale if they’re including me?” So I guess that’s him raising his hand that he’s Sub 8 and had sex? He’s most assuredly still alive, although his pancreas tried to remedy that about 9 years ago. And we have DNA evidence he not only had sex he *gasp* procreated. Dude makes cute kids but objectively is no where near Chadly levels of attractiveness. He’s funny, though, and we’re now saying the same things at the same time more & more often. I guess being married 22 years has that effect.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

WE’RE THE VICTIMS OF THE NEW HOLOCAUST MY FRIENDS.

So you’re dead, writing from beyond the grave.

Check around and see if classes in punctuation and capitalization are offered in the afterlife. Sign up.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Skylalalalalalala

Sometimes I read this nonsense to Mr. Skylala and this time his response was “Is there anything below 0, because that’s what I am, or they’ll have to readjust the scale if they’re including me?”

Sometimes I read this nonsense to Mr. Boyfriend, and he says, “What a bunch of losers!”

Jane Done
Jane Done
2 years ago

Dating apps and social media not only killed men but it make us suffer

You know what’s worse than being killed to death? Being killed to suffering!!

Gotta be the first time I’ve ever genuinely been amused by these delusional, violent zealots.

In other news, the hyper-reactionary, openly anti-lgbt and racist PPC candidate here was just curbstomped in the polls, ending (effectively) last, with the “disgusting[sic]” “terrorist[sic]” Jagmeet Singh winning with a huge 13% lead in a 4-candidate election.

Now that’s more like it, Canada.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@Kat

Umm, not to be all “Well, actually,” but I’d argue that the list of victims of the Holocaust goes well beyond those who died. Primo Levi did not write from beyond the grave.

Sorry, I know it’s a joke, and given my blacker-than-black sense of humor I shouldn’t mind, but for some reason that one got to me.

More importantly, though, going back to David’s post: Umm, in that picture from Reno 911, is the person in the middle wearing anything other than the shirt? Because I honestly can’t tell.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Rabid Rabbit

THEY DEFINITELY CLAIM MY LIFE AND THE SADDEST THING IS THAT NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WE’RE LEFT GETTING MURDERED

I’m relying on the context of what this incel is saying. “They definitely claim my life” and “We’re left getting murdered” indicate to me that if these victims are not yet dead, they are certainly near death. And this incel is not envisioning a miraculous recovery.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

(yes, this is on topic… read to the end…)

In the old days, telegram code books existed to save travelling salesmen & corporations money. Instead if sending “arrived at Port” you would send “BIINC”, instead of “left the city for the home office” “NARVO”, etc.

The “New Yorker” checked one of those code books and discovered it has weird entries such as “a great battle is now raging here”, “transpiring pilgrims to Mecca at the prevailing price per head”, etc.

The “New Yorker” also wondered who would “rise Phoenix-like from their own ashes” to send “the most fantastic of code words”, AXEHO: “met with a fatal accident”.

Well, now we know! It just means he didn’t get a date!

Alex
Alex
2 years ago

I love how groups that overlap with antisemites, if not being antisemitic themselves, at once want to compare all of their suffering to the Holocaust and eclipse it, and deny the Holocaust ever happened so that Jews are just whining about our made-up genocide by which all genocides and horrors must be compared, somehow. They’ve convinced themselves that it’s a mythical unicorn of suffering and unless their horses match that unicorn, they can’t get sympathy.

But we’re funding porn and empowering women and doing other dastardly stuff with our Jew Gold JUST TO MAKE SURE INCELS DON’T GET LAID. *insert maniacal laugh here*

Ugh. I feel squicky having just typed that, personally. Time for a shower.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

Consistently isn’t their strong point. Something they come to this *private blog* and complain about “censorship” b/c they don’t like the comment policy.

It’s not censorship if *you* want to post on *someone else’s* blog and thus have to follow their policy. If the blog owner wanted to allow only posts in Esperanto, they may.

P.S.

If we Jews a control the world, where’s my piece of the action?

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
2 years ago

I’d always got the impression that prolonged use of dating apps made a woman feel that any man that doesn’t introduce himself with crude sexual propositions or veiled threats is worth considering, and if they also have basic grammar skills they are a gem and you should consider proposing.

Which way is this conspiracy supposed to be working?

Also, I live in Germany. Just going to museums here is soul-raking, there are little gold cobblestones everywhere Berlin to mark the homes that people never went back to from those camps, and while I know the self-pity is ridiculous I can’t find it amusing at all.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
2 years ago

I didn’t do Tinder, but I did do OKCupid. There did come moments where you felt like a kid in the candy shop and I’d flip through men and be all “Next!”. So whenever that happened, I’d slow down and remind myself that all these guys – even the ones with toxic personalities were all human – with real feelings. There would also come moments when I felt very much at the other end of it and realised I was being held onto as a 2nd or 3rd best option, etc etc. or people were chatting with me for their own purposes which weren’t about getting to know me for a potential date or potential relationship. I’d take a break then.

The sheer volume of people and the catalogue style is a bit dehumanising, but it’s also very efficient – esp when you live in a big city like I do. I’d go through phases of relatively intensive dating and then I’d go through phases where I wasn’t doing that.

When I met my partner he was in the first month or so of dating again and was in an intense phase. I was in a ‘break’ phase so I wasn’t seeing anyone else, but his messages intrigued me enough that I met up with him and also he was probably the first guy I chatted with where I thought – oh if this doesn’t work out as a dating situation, I think I’d like to pursue a friendship with him. He was seeing a bunch of people and even though we had a great first date and set a date for the next night which was shamazing – he saw someone else the following night (though he did offer to cancel).

I could have been all upset about that, but he didn’t owe me anything but decency really at that point. Even though we probably both felt that this ‘thing’ had some legs, it was a bit too soon to block off other options. I didn’t have any other options, but that’s because I wasn’t in active dating phase really. I did tell him that I hoped his date that night would be ‘entertainingly bad, but failing that, just not very good’. Anyway, we’re still together and it’s by far the best relationship I’ve ever had.

Mogwitch:

I’d always got the impression that prolonged use of dating apps made a woman feel that any man that doesn’t introduce himself with crude sexual propositions or veiled threats is worth considering, and if they also have basic grammar skills they are a gem and you should consider proposing.

This is not a million miles from the truth! 🙂 But I have slightly higher standards. My man has excellent grammar and is a good writer in general. Oh – and the way he can spell… yum. I didn’t propose to him, but I did accept.

misophistry
misophistry
2 years ago

This level of pathetic false victimhood is vile, squalid and putrid. I have less than no sympathy, negative sympathy.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Jane Done

You know what’s worse than being killed to death? Being killed to suffering!!

http://media.giphy.com/media/cIeshfppNn8wE/giphy.gif

Cindy
Cindy
2 years ago

Less cis men in the world?! Oh nooooooo…

Makroth
Makroth
2 years ago

In my mind, he sounds like he’s shouting eveything he’s written there.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

OT

Are we breeding depraved billionaires? Economic inequality, sex trafficking and Trump’s America
Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein and Robert Kraft: Wealth inequality is turning super-rich into comic-book villains

Amanda Marcotte
February 25, 2019

https://www.salon.com/2019/02/25/are-we-breeding-depraved-billionaires-economic-inequality-sex-trafficking-and-trumps-america/

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’ve very little experience with dating apps. Being aro, it wasn’t a huge priority. But about 5 years ago, I created an OK Cupid account on a whim the night before I went out of town for a couple of days. Since it was a spontaneous decision and I’m not a selfie taker, I didn’t have a decent picture ready to go. So I used one of my eye as a placeholder until I had time to get an alright picture. I had zero expectation of getting messaged, but I did anyway. I even had a couple of decent conversations. Until a bunch of dudes complained about my lack of photo and my account got taken down within two days.

tl;dr these dudes can fuck off if they think they’re only one put out by a focus on looks in dating apps. A bunch of men were so angry that I was either depriving them of wank fodder or disguising my status as an uggo or fatty that rather than just not messaging me, they got my account shut down. In two days.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

@rugbyyogi – it seems your partner started out with you being honest (explicitly said he was seeing someone else) and decent (offered to cancel). So, no surprise it worked.

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

This jerk thinks that being unable to get a girlfriend is worse than Hitler and his entourage starting a war that butchered 56 million people?

He’s dying of self-pity? He thinks he’s being genocided because lacks the social skills and economic base to find himself a girlfriend? And it’s the world’s fault?

Here’s all I have to say to him:

“Thoughts and prayers.”

Chris Oakley
2 years ago

Quoth the raven: What the hell did I just read??!

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

“Sex Genocide” is my band name

Seriously, though (well actually not but still) this JeffGoldblumInTheFly motherfucker. He’s dropping references of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly and it is fascinating me. How does this happen? That an incel, complaining about incel things, is also cracking jokes about the bad things? In the theme of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly?

Is he joking around? Does he actually think that being an incel is like being Jeff Goldblum in The Fly? Does he think his face is actually melting? Was this a funny thing that he’s now 20,000 posts deep on and is now fully a co-conspirator, or was he always sincere?

It’s frickin fascinating is what it is. As an entomologist of course.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

JeffGoldblum and Cuyen have, together, posted more than 20,000 messages on Incels.is, so I’m pretty sure they’re not drive-by trolls.

Man, I remember when I cared about Forum post totals. Only I did it on DeviantART circa 2005. Even their politics forum was far less toxic than this nonsense.

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

WE’RE LEFT GETTING MURDERED

I find it intensely hilarious that he couldn’t be bothered to put periods at the end of his sentences in this screed but he did stop to put the apostrophe in “we’re.”

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

OT: So finally watched Bohemian Rhapsody and after taking a day or two to process it… watching it, I was enjoying watching Malek channel Freddy and bobbing my head to the music, but I kept on waiting for some kind of thematic arc to draw me in and while they tried to make it Mercury’s loneliness and emotional distance, they kept on muddling it up with confused interactions between Mary and Freddy while making the entire gay lifestyle of the 70s and 80s seem seedy and destructive. The minute I saw trucker Adam Lambert walking seductively into the men’s room, I was like “Oh dear, this is going to be the AIDS arc, isn’t it?” The ham-fisted symbolism of the window-lit clinic hallway was a nice touch.

At least we got a decent recreation of the Live Aid performance.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
2 years ago

LIVING A SEXLESS LIFE ISN’T LIVING

My best friend/roomie keeps on insisting that I should download Tinder, instead of just lazing around all day long.

I remember back in the day when I desperately wanted to get into a relationship. Now though, I see them as too much work involved that would consume what little time I have. And being finally free after having taken care of my dying father, and being deprived of weekends for two years, I can honestly say I do not want children.

Fuck that, I’ve already changed enough diapers and put up with enough tantrums to last me a lifetime.

Why can’t people just accept that some people are actually happy and goddamn satisfied without a relationship?

Maybe that’ll change in the future, once I get over the trauma of having absolutely no free time whatsoever, but as of now I’ll take my Netflix, movies and books. Thank you very much.

Critical Dragon1177
2 years ago

Yeah dating apps are worse than both world wars and the Holocaust. I think its safe to say that “lifeisbullshit95” has never suffered through any real hardship for his entire life.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ Scildfreja Unnyðnes:

For that matter, didn’t Jeff Goldblum’s character in The Fly have a girlfriend for most of the movie, who remained loyal despite his mutation until it caused him to start getting violent?

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

Yeah dating apps are worse than both world wars and the Holocaust. I think its safe to say that “lifeisbullshit95” has never suffered through any real hardship for his entire life.

Well, his name says it all…he’s a whiny 23-year-old kid, grew up with some middle-class privilege, and thinks he’s entitled to more privilege by virtue of his economic, ethnic, and social status.

My suggestion? Go visit a VA Hospital and talk with the guys there who had their limbs blown off in our terrible wars, and hear about what happened to them. At age 23. Or younger.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
2 years ago

Wouldn’t mine having someone to do it with, but yeah, I’m picky. And not ashamed of it.

On that note, I think it’s important to highlight that there’s nothing wrong with being picky. You get to set your standards however you like and that’s fine. I’ll go as far as saying that it’s healthy to have a clear idea about what sort of person you’re interested in and, conversely, who you’re not interested in. It lets you make better choices and avoid bad situations.

However, a few things follow from that, which incels typically miss (or ignore because they’re entitled little shits):

1) You don’t get to blame other people for not living up to your standards. They are who they are and if that’s not what you want, then move on.

2) They get to have their standards, too. Just because someone is perfect for you doesn’t mean you’re perfect for them. They get to make their own choice, just as surely as you get to make yours.

This is probably preaching to the choir, but I guess I’m hoping some incel-in-training drops by, has an epiphany, and stops sabotaging their own life. And other people’s.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Raise your hand if you’re not having sex at the moment but are somehow still living a life worth living.

*raises hand*

But. *sigh* I suppose it doesn’t count because I’m a feeemale. An old, fat, ugly one at that.

But. I used to have a very high libido and got rather anxious, depressed, and sometimes even angry* if I wasn’t getting sex on the regular. That all changed during perimenopause and now I’m pretty much ace.

Even though I have very few regrets about my past (which I really quite enjoyed) It’s really a relief not to be the way I was when I was much younger! I’m enjoying other things that I didn’t have the time/energy for before.

*I never blamed anyone else for this, though. It was probably more frustration than anger, tbh.

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

On that note, I think it’s important to highlight that there’s nothing wrong with being picky. You get to set your standards however you like and that’s fine. I’ll go as far as saying that it’s healthy to have a clear idea about what sort of person you’re interested in and, conversely, who you’re not interested in. It lets you make better choices and avoid bad situations.

However, a few things follow from that, which incels typically miss (or ignore because they’re entitled little shits):

1) You don’t get to blame other people for not living up to your standards. They are who they are and if that’s not what you want, then move on.

2) They get to have their standards, too. Just because someone is perfect for you doesn’t mean you’re perfect for them. They get to make their own choice, just as surely as you get to make yours.

This is probably preaching to the choir, but I guess I’m hoping some incel-in-training drops by, has an epiphany, and stops sabotaging their own life. And other people’s.

Very well put…but remember that these jerks think they are at the top of the mythical pyramid of life…the supreme beings on the planet. Their standards should be the world’s standards, and nobody else can have any voice.

Chris Oakley
2 years ago

@Critical Dragon: I find it questionable if he can even spell “hardship”.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Without OK Cupid I wouldn’t have net my husband, whom they would probably deem a ‘Sub8’. I’m really picky, but not about what they expect. Couldn’t care less about muscles or height, it’s all about respect and geekiness for me.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

OT, but I can’t even read the world “sexless” anymore without this earworm popping into my head since hearing it a few years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdkBFJEoHes

I’m a statue of a man
Who looks nothing like a man
But here I stand:
Grim and solid
No scarlet secrets mine to hold
Just a century of cold
And thin and useless
Sexless knowledge
So I won’t complain when my shattering is dreamt
By the ninety nine percent
I’ll surrender to their knowledge
‘Cos I have read the terms and conditions
I have read the terms and conditions
Let the record show
I agreed to my position
I accept the terms and conditions!

(The entire album is available on Bandcamp. It’s very good in a genre-bending way; they describe themselves as “post-gothic, post-political, post-dance, post-human” 😉)

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

OT: Emma Thompson’s letter to Skydance: Why I can’t work for John Lasseter. Brutal and surgical, if that’s not a contradiction in terms.

Is anyone else finding their enjoyment of films tarnished by wondering who involved with the production is an abusive douchebro? I mean, Lasseter? I didn’t expect that.

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

OT: Emma Thompson’s letter to Skydance: Why I can’t work for John Lasseter. Brutal and surgical, if that’s not a contradiction in terms.

Is anyone else finding their enjoyment of films tarnished by wondering who involved with the production is an abusive douchebro? I mean, Lasseter? I didn’t expect that.

It upsets me that just about every actress in Hollywood upon whom I have or have had a crush on is the victim of sexual mistreatment. For some reason, it makes me ashamed to have that crush.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

@schiljfreja –

if nothing else, incels’ insulting names for women and their (supposed) evil acts would make *great* names for all-girl punk rock bands.

“Sex genocide”, “cock carousel”, or just “the femoids” would be quite cool, but my favorite is still “the ambulatory vaginas”.

Jane Done
Jane Done
2 years ago

@Pie:

lol I applaud your memeing skillz
just_right.jpg

@Ambassador Kat:

Wealth inequality is turning super-rich into comic-book villains

Christ this lady is late to the party. First time I saw the cambridge analytica videos I thought “these guys literally talk like comic-book supervillians”. And then everyone forgot about the videos like last week’s dank memes.

Still, at least someone with a voice is finally saying it.

@Kiwiwriter:

I don’t think feminists want to abolish male sexuality, and while it’s certainly complicated by rape culture, power and privilege, etc, it’s not evil or wrong for a man to have feelings for a woman. If anything, women need more men to have feelings, but respectfully; to show the world esp other men how to have crushes, relationships, sex, etc in healthy, consensual ways.

I mean I suppose crushes are usually one-sided but most everyone has one once or more. It’s more about dealing with those feelings the right way than self-hatred for having them.

Aaron
Aaron
2 years ago

I understand why he hates Tinder. I can’t stand the app either. It does have a dehumanizing effect which I find very off-putting, but I’m not sure the dynamic is quite so gendered as all that. (See this article, which indicates that while Tinder/other dating apps are indeed harder on less-attractive men, it’s not as if women are not also sorted and judged based on their appearance.) We can acknowledge this disparity – and the different experiences of men and women on these apps – without going off the deep end.

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

@Kiwiwriter:

I don’t think feminists want to abolish male sexuality, and while it’s certainly complicated by rape culture, power and privilege, etc, it’s not evil or wrong for a man to have feelings for a woman. If anything, women need more men to have feelings, but respectfully; to show the world esp other men how to have crushes, relationships, sex, etc in healthy, consensual ways.

You won’t find any disagreement from me, there.

I just find myself thinking how, in today’s society, men and women can find romance and love.

Personally, I think guys should cut out the stupid nonsense of “pick-up lines,” and other forms of self-indulgent preening.

Just tell the girl at the party that you find her very interesting, and would she like to have a drink or a cup of coffee after it’s over, if it’s not too late. And then over the drink or the coffee, try not to sound like an arrogant blowhard whose only desire is to find out what’s under that dress and play with it.

Treat her with respect. How hard is that?

All I know is that until I met and married my wife, I got the following responses from women:

1. “You are very nice, but my boyfriend would like to meet/kill you.”

2. “I’d rather eat worms than go out with you.”

3. “Only if we can go to my lesbian rights rally.” (I thought she was humiliating me. Nope, she was serious.)

4. “SECURITY!”

Fortunately, my wife and I have known each other for 34 years and been married for 24 years. I couldn’t live without her.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

I just find myself thinking how, in today’s society, men and women can find romance and love.

People are managing this just fine. Why are you concerned by this? What makes you think people aren’t able to do this in today’s society?

All I know is that until I met and married my wife, I got the following responses from women:

1. “You are very nice, but my boyfriend would like to meet/kill you.”

2. “I’d rather eat worms than go out with you.”

3. “Only if we can go to my lesbian rights rally.” (I thought she was humiliating me. Nope, she was serious.)

4. “SECURITY!”

Sounds like you weren’t treating them with much respect if these were the responses you got.

Kiwiwriter
Kiwiwriter
2 years ago

I just find myself thinking how, in today’s society, men and women can find romance and love.

People are managing this just fine. Why are you concerned by this? What makes you think people aren’t able to do this in today’s society?

All I know is that until I met and married my wife, I got the following responses from women:

1. “You are very nice, but my boyfriend would like to meet/kill you.”

2. “I’d rather eat worms than go out with you.”

3. “Only if we can go to my lesbian rights rally.” (I thought she was humiliating me. Nope, she was serious.)

4. “SECURITY!”

I don’t think people can find it, because I see more and more and more and more stories in the news of violence against women. I guess that’s because it’s no longer being covered up, which is better.

Sounds like you weren’t treating them with much respect if these were the responses you got.

Actually, my issue was a little different…I suffer from Asperger’s, so I am absolutely unable to deal with people of any type. I was the high school and college nutball, because of this. I had no idea that I had Asperger’s until I was in my 30s, and by then it was too late. I had a toxic personality, and didn’t know it…once I knew it, I didn’t know why until 1999.

If you’re wondering what having Asperger’s is like…think about going through life encased in bubble wrap. You can’t connect with people, you can’t see the world as it is, and you can’t grasp what’s going on. Subtlety, hyperbole, non-written communication of ANY SORT evades and eludes you. You can’t understand anything if it isn’t on the printed page. It’s a miserable experience….it drove me to try to kill myself in my senior year of high school.

The only good things about being an Aspergian is that you suffer from terminal conscientiousness, can memorize information that sometimes comes in handy (like where to stand on a subway platform so that when you get off your train, you’re right near the staircase you need), and you can be pretty good in mathematics and other scientific fields…unless you’re me. In that case, you have a narcissistic mother who tortures you over mathematics to the point that you get the lowest grades in the subject in your school’s history, which makes you academically dead meat as well as socially dead meat, which led me to my botched suicide attempt.

So if you’re wondering where I spent my senior prom, it was at Yankee Stadium — Red Sox 10, Yankees 2, home runs by Yaz, Perez, and Joe Lefebvre, Dennis Eckersley defeating Ron Guidry, to my chagrin. It was still cheaper ($10 for the evening) and better than the prom — which was punctuated when the college freshman/sophomore boyfriends of the senior girls stormed into the place. They were not supposed to be there, and the principal tried to bar them. They punched him in the nose, spiked the punch anyway, and the police were summoned.

But there are innumerable times over the past 40 years that I have regretted that I am alive. I have very great difficulty thinking of anything positive I have accomplished in my life…but I can see and can introduce you to plenty of negatives. For example, I keep a photograph of the Navy Senior Chief in my command who disliked me intensely and his negative quotes in my cubicle, to remind me how I angered him to say those things, to put me in my place, and thus keep me properly humble.

I firmly believe that the world would be a better place if I had simply never been in it in the first place. A lot of the people I’ve annoyed and hurt over my 56 years of walking the planet would certainly be happier.

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