By David Futrelle
So-called “Men Going Their Own Way” are so bad at the whole “going their own way” part of their little woman-hating credo that they sometimes have sex with women.
As you might imagine, this often does not go very well for either person involved. Consider this “field report” posted to the MGTOW subreddit recently by one sex-having Redditor, which may just put you off food and/or sex forever.
“Had sex yesterday,” declared the MGTOW man who calls himself nowig.
Was a most disgusting, vile act.
i don’t know why i do this anymore. i really don’t.
None of us know why you do this. Aren’t you supposed to be going your own damn way?
the whole experience was traumatizing and disgusting. she was 26, around 5’2″ and petite.
That poor woman had no idea what she was in for.
making out on a park bench, i was careful to nibble around her mouth. there was something off-putting about her saliva maybe. a slight metallic aftertaste. this is true for the vast majority of girls though: i don’t like the taste.
I’m sure you taste utterly delicious yourself. Astringent, with a delicate aftertaste of bitterness and an entire life wasted.
getting back to her place, fumbling around in the dark to get her clothes off. disappointment at those 5-10 lb of concealed pudge.
How dare she be slightly less skinny than you expected!
she was totally put together in clothes, but had a falling-apart body with a thicker lower half and droopy sad tits
Dude, you are a droopy sad tit.
and this is a girl who works out and is in top 20% of americans her age.
She probably spent most of her next workout session wailing on a punching bag with fists and feet, imagining that it was your sorry ass.
touching her amorphous “spinner” bod, fingering her slimepit. i was so sadly deflated.
No one who uses the phrase “fingering her slimepit” has ever had good sex with anyone.
i felt an obligation to go down on her to prep her for the actual sex. so i did, and it was as awful as i imagined.
Yeah, I can’t imagine it was much of a treat for her either.
there was some acidic/fruity smell emanating, and i essentially used my lower lip to smush against her relatively clean clit, so as to avoid having my tongue come into contact with the main portion of her gaping moist hole.
I can’t imagine her “hole” was either gaping or moist at this point. It was probably trying to sew itself shut.
my dick was floppy and unenthused the whole time despite my having taken a cialis.
Dude, no amount of Cialis is going to fix what ails you, as your problems appear to stem from a giant deposit of toxic sludge in your brain. And where are you getting Cialis from, anyway? Do you go to Donald Trump’s old doctor?
i immediately went into nervous hyper-focus mode as i tried to get the condom on, stroke my dick into readiness, and finger and prep her while angling my semi-flaccid dick for the final insertion. trying not to be awkward while sweating from the prospect of failure.
Here’s me right now:
Onward:
once it was in, i was able to pump for a good long while, but didn’t want to change positions so as not to jeopardize my erection.
i came into the condom and immediately rushed out to clean up. i noticed a thick layer of white slime had accumulated past the condom and on the upper portion of my shaft.
Dude, you are a thick layer of white slime.
i felt chills and literally shivered with horror as i rinsed off in the shower.
You and me both, dude.
i now have some inkling of why i hate dating so much, and why my standards for women and romance and abstract ideals are so high. it’s because the actual act of sex is so appalling, anything less than perfection in the other areas would fail to compensate
Dude, think for a moment about all the times you’ve had sex. (It shouldn’t take too long.) What do all of these experiences have in common?
That’s right: YOU. It’s not that “the actual act of sex is appalling.” Most people seem to enjoy it. It’s that the actual act of sex WITH YOU is so appalling that you should never, ever do it ever again, both for your sake and for the sake of every woman in the world, so that they don’t have to even imagine what it would be like to have sex with you.
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@TheKND
Yes, that’s a thing I said. It’s also just how hate tends to be expressed by men and women – the former with violence, the latter with evasion.
I don’t actually think there’s anything different in anyone’s brain that makes one or other of these responses more likely. Just that this is a trend to note, and as long as this trend holds true, it genuinely does not matter if women hate men so long as our way of hating is just removing ourselves from men.
There’s a huge difference in the way people of different genders are socialized – personally, my money is on men expressing hate as violence comes down to the way we socialize men to glorify violence and see violence as something inherently masculine and desirable in that context.
We can even see that in this example. The MGTOW poster clearly hates women, this is a pre-requisite of being part of that group, and he responds to that by seeking a woman out, then shit-talking her incessantly online, riling himself up with how disgusting he considers her to be. Almost like he felt having sex with her was expected of him, and he blames her for it.
I agree with the last sentence. And Dr Thang: This guy propositioned a woman for a sex, got rejected, so he made up a story about a sexual encounter where he was the rejector. Sour grapes is a likely possibility given that the language he used sounds like he has little to know sexual experience. So at the end of the day, it makes no difference what that white substance was or which person’s body produced it. It could even be ectoplasm for all I care.
I am befuddled why many folks here believe that this story actually occurred. I’m not dismissing anyone else except the chump who wrote it.
But it does matter that you keep trying to explain to people with vaginas what comes out of them.
Hi, everyone – haven’t been here for a while because of busy-ness. And hypergamously branch-swinging to Twitter to see if birds were hunkier than mammoths. 😉
I don’t want to pile on annoyingly, but @Nowherepants’ comment (ETA, this one: “People are repulsed by them because this is abnormal and it ultimately won’t lead to procreation”) isn’t fair. Homophobes often go on about how only hetero sex is “natural,” and it’s no better to use this idea (of what is or isn’t natural) against asexual people.
Also, it doesn’t make sense. Not every member of a species has to reproduce. Not every person has to have sex, or even like sex.
Oh yes, and I’d also welcome adding something like “no speculating whether misogyny is caused by sexual orientation” to the comment policy. 🙂
“At the end of the day, I don’t care what it is!”
…declares the dude who’s spent three pages stating that it is 100% supposed to be jizz, end of story.
And that those of us who dislike the idea of swapping bodily fluids are doomed to loveless and frienshipless lives, because we be weird and (gasp) abnormal.
Put down the shovel, dude.
Given that there is a whole arsenal of “logical razors” such as:
Ockham’s Razor: “Don’t multiply entities beyond necessity.”
and
Hanlon’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.” (Otherwise known as “cock-up before conspiracy”)
and
Hitchens’s Razor: “Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur, or what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”,
may we posit the
Mammoth’s Razor: “Never ascribe to mental illness, nonneurotypicality or sexual orientation what can be adequately explained by misogyny or assholery (but we repeat ourselves)”?
Corollary to the Mammoth’s Razor: no, really, don’t. WTF is wrong with you?!
Dude. You asserted that the white substance he described was semen. I said that from what I read, I assumed it was her fluid rather than his, basing this on personal experience. This could be something that actually happened, or something he saw in an unusually unedited porno, or something a friend described to him once, but it’s a realistic description of something that can happen during sex.
You advised me to read an article about female ejaculation.
I don’t care if this guy got laid or not, particularly, but I’m ‘befuddled’ as to why you seem to think that my interpretation of what he was writing about is so unrealistic that you need to explain to me what comes out of vaginas.
Bravo @Cat Mara! Your formulation has the double advantage of being pithy and clear. And you made me snarf my beer a little.
1. Just a reminder that female ejaculation is absolutely a thing–although I suspect that it may be a source of dysphoria for the women who experience it, as an unwelcome reminder of their outside plumbing.
2. Am I the only one who’d dearly love to read that poor lady’s sexual Yelp review of her one-night stand?
Are you implying that only trans women ejaculate?
THIS!!
@Sandra:
My intent was to point out what I considered the most obvious category of women who demonstrably ejaculate, and I apologize if citing only that example came across as erasure.
@Dormousing_it
Why would that be sad? Just saying you prefer porn to actual sex and are skeewed by body fluids does not mean you necessarily prefer porn to interacting with other people at all. I don’t know if I’m misreading you or something, but stuff like that just comes across as kinda acephobic. 🙁
@Valkyrine:
Do you mean “squicked” (also sometimes spelled “sqwicked”)?
“Squee” and “Skwee” are generally good things – at least in my understanding of the dada, tomnoddy slang used today by my fellow kids.
@Cat Mara
You genius!
Have a cute kitty:
@ Cat Mara:
re: Mammoth’s Razor, THANX, that is BOSS!!!
It’s too late to shave the mammoths, but their razors can benefit humanity.
@Cat Mara:
I join the rest, that was a good one.
@Susan:
I had a very different situation in mind, than you did. The picture in my mind was a newspaperartikel and initial reactions to it. Of course if you are near to the person the question is of course one that we ask ourselves. The lack of self-awareness and I would add lack of empathy is something not discussed here at the moment, but often shown from the people that David posts about here.
Mammoth’s Razor is a short form to be posted in the future.
Hmm, i wonder if in the comments of the OP post, there have been so-called Redpillers calling him a beta because he really took a “blue pill” ?
“According to figures pulled right out of my ass”. The sentence is missing, i think. Maybe it was a way to not use their ridiculous and usual 1-10 scale for judging women upon their physical appearance (shape ?).
@Crip Dyke
I meant aversive/disgusted. Like “skeevy” (I used w when it was supposed to be v).
Well, in general, the whole manosphere is one big “sour grapes” scene – we can’t get women / sex, so we’ll pretend they’re yucky.
But the problem is you never know if the particular manosphere poster is (a) serious, (b) inventing a story, or (c) actually not a manosphere member at all, but deliberately trolling.
In this guy’s case I will go with (b), since the description of the sex act sounds like how “disgusting sex” would be described by a bitter virgin. But I may be wrong.
Oh for love of…
I am a woman, born with a vagina with completely normal functioning. I have, in fact, left a ‘white slime’ on sex toys I was using. It was perfectly normal vaginal discharge, and at different times of the month it’s different, varying from thin clear fluid to thicker goo to sometimes white.
My wife is someone born with a vagina with completely normal functioning, who ejaculates on occasion. That fluid is not the same, and COMES FROM A DIFFERENT HOLE.
Point being, white slime is totally possible and normal for a vagina to produce. If it was up past the condom it was probably a vaginal secretion rather than semen, as the semen should be gathered in the tip of the condom and mostly blocked from flowing back up by the head of the penis.
If you do not have a vagina, and have not made a full study of them for a medical or biology degree, do not attempt to tell others what the vagina is or is not likely to have produced.
DAMN HER BODY FOR NOT BEING FICTIONAL!
Real bodies make goo and have lumps. Real bodies are made of meat and slime. Mashing two bodies together is going to be messy business.
Being sex-repulsed is ok. That’s a legitimate orientation. Don’t blame her for not meeting your standards. If you find sex off-putting, just don’t do it.
Full Metal Ox – I, too, would be interested in hearing about this incident from the perspective of the unfortunate woman involved. By a remarkable coincidence, I am also a Metal Ox myself.
The idea of being squicked by asexuality frankly baffles me. It’s like being disgusted that someone doesn’t want anchovies on their pizza (note: I like anchovies).
I wish that I could believe that this encounter never actually happened.
Please don’t do this either.
Can we add ‘state of one’s virginity’ to the list of things we are not ascribing bad behavior to?