Christopher Cleary’s YouTube channel is devoted to fast food and sports
By David Futrelle
No one casually watching Christopher Wayne Cleary’s YouTube channel would suspect that the 27-year-old Denver man has a long history of stalking and threatening women, culminating in his arrest last Saturday in Utah after he posted an angry Facebook screed warning that he would soon take symbolic revenge on “all the girls the turned me down … by killing as many girls as I see.”
Though his words echoed those of the infamous incel killer Elliot Rodger, whose “day of retribution” against women left six dead in Isla Vista, California in 2014, Cleary’s YouTube videos give no hint of the rage festering beneath the surface.
There are no misogynistic rants or grandiose pronouncements. The channel is instead devoted to sports and to “mukbang” videos, in which Cleary chats amiably while eating hamburgers and pizza and other fast food staples. He appears nothing like the stereotype of the angry, socially awkward incel.
It’s quite a contrast to the message Cleary posted on Facebook that led to his arrest:
In a followup comment, he declared “[t]heres nothing more dangerous than man ready to die.”
But Cleary’s threatening note was as deceptive as his affable manner on YouTube. Cleary may be “involuntarily” celibate at the moment, but he’s hardly the kissless virgin he claims to be.
We know this because he is currently on probation for stalking and threatening a former girlfriend. As the Denver Post reports, the then-43-year-old woman called police in 2017 after Cleary showed up at her house.
The woman told investigators Cleary previously had been her boyfriend and they had sexual relations, but when she broke off the relationship, he began stalking her, according to court records. Cleary had called her 45 times that day, saying, “I hope you die,” “I am going to kill you,” “I am going to burn your house down,” and “I am going to send people to your house to kill you,” court records show.
The woman said that because of Cleary’s persistent stalking, she lost 20 pounds, had nightmares of him chasing her, awoke to find herself crying and had panic attacks. Cleary posted her phone number and address on Craigslist with fake pictures “soliciting sexual acts and rape,” according to the probable statement. She received many replies from strangers.
Cleary pleaded guilty … to felony stalking and making threats in a plea deal with prosecutors. Jefferson County Judge Dennis Hall sentenced him to three years of probation … .
But she was not Cleary’s first victim. In 2016, he was convicted of stalking and harassing two different 18-uear-old girls in Arvada, Colorado who had turned him down for dates. In a Facebook message, he had warned one of them that “I’ve been watching you. Soon … you’ll be lying in your deathbed.” In 2015, the Denver Post notes, he
was convicted on a misdemeanor telephone harassment charge. In that case, he convinced a woman to pose naked for him and then posted the photo online on a fake Facebook page in her name.
Cleary has also been accused of stalking and worse by other teenage girls, allegedly telling one 17-year-old that “I own multipul guns I can have u dead in a second … One day ima snap and kill everyone.” In another case, the Post reports,
a 19-year-old woman said she lived with Cleary for two weeks in a hotel room and during that time he strangled her and urinated on her, court records show.
Cleary has never gotten more than probation for his crimes against women. Hopefully that will change with this latest arrest.
Cleary’s case makes abundantly clear that the notions of “sexual redistribution” and “enforced monogamy” promoted by reactionary thinkers like Jordan Peterson are not only wrongheaded but profoundly dangerous.
Peterson and others have suggested that the rage of so-called incels like Elliot Rodger and Toronto van killer Alek Minassian suggest that our sexual economy is seriously out of whack, with many men unable to have regular sex because women are allegedly only interested in a relatively small subset of men. In order to prevent further incel violence, Peterson and others argue, we need to restructure society so that women are somehow compelled — by peer pressure if not something more draconian — to date the currently undateable. (Peterson, for his part, denies that “enforced monogamy” would be forced upon anyone, which makes one wonder why he used the word “enforced.”)
In other words, Peterson and others think that we should rearrange all of society to somehow compel women to date men who are so angry they can’t get dates that they regularly threaten or even carry out violence against women. In other words, we should essentially force women to date abusive men like Cleary.
Men who spend much of their time openly fantasizing about doing harm to women who won’t date them aren’t going to suddenly become angels if some woman starts dating them; Cleary obviously didn’t. Violent men don’t stop being violent when they’re in relationships; they just start directing this violence at their partners — and in many cases they ramp up the violence if their partner ever tries to leave them.
These men shouldn’t be appeased or, worse, rewarded for violence and threats of violence; they should be punished. Jordan Peterson and other proponents of “sexual redistribution” may be perfectly decent men in their own private lives, at least as far as we know, but the logic behind their proposals, however vague they may be, is the logic of the abuser.
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Wow, good job hunting down those details. I’m thinking he probably believes the lies about never having had a girlfriend or sex because it didn’t work out the way he felt entitled to, so it doesn’t count, or something like that.
Heck, kupo, for all we know he’s mad because he didn’t get as many blow jobs as he wanted, or sex as often as he wanted, or some other reason that makes sense only to him.
*sigh*
I’m pretty sure my ex boyfriend is one of these guys now.
A lot of self identified incels turn out to have had actually had sexual and/or dating experience.
It’s almost like incel is not about being a virgin, but about an extreme misogynist ideology!
“I didn’t get the HB10 sex slave I wanted so I regrew my virginity!”
Or something.
Ugh incels, mgtows, mras, the whole lot should be monitored at least for how they fantasize about hurting women. Glad they caught this one in time! but it’s such a dark timeline right now where more of these guys continue to be radicalized and incentivized to harm others
It was never about being celibate, or going your own way or fixing the family court system, only to force women back into their homes or face death. (and these guys are the same types to be islamphobic and yet use Islam to scare women about their rights being taken away)
I hope Peterson and people like him realize they aren’t talking to level headed individuals but guys who need to fuel their misogyny. I see alot of you tuber mgtows with the same about of vitriol against women but I doubt they’d care if their followers inflict harm due to their negative influence.
Not sure Slappy is a level-headed individual himself.
Peterson also wants women forced back “into the home”, as do his fellow-travelers. That is what the real agenda is behind “enforced monogamy”. Turning the clock back to over a century ago.
What a disgusting little shitbag.
Sorry for a little OT but I’ve had some wine. I’ll come back to this thread tomorrow. But in the meantime:
https://www.themarysue.com/pelosi-state-of-the-union-trump/
I’ve had a moment of revelation. I’d always thought mature women were hated by misogynists because they failed to look young and attractive. I’m sorry for that (not least because every day and in every way I keep getting older and older) because I now don’t think it’s that at all. I now think older women are too busy getting shit done to bother with men’s nonsense. They just won’t tolerate it. And I’m 100% on board.
Sorry for the OT. I promise I’ll be back tomorrow for relevant MRA stupidity.
Cue whines of “out of context” in 3… 2… 1…
Some of the promoters of purity culture claim you can reclaim your virginity. So I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a few incels use similar kinds of reasoning. And of course there’s also the idea that it’s not real sex unless a penis penetrates a vagina.
@Weatherwax:
Pretty much. Or at least, it’s part of it. The whole “OMG, they’re not hot (by my arbitrary standards)!” thing still plays a part, but in some cases it’s the fallback position for when they can’t beat them other ways.
As for Pelosi, she’s doing a wonderful job of showing why the whole movement to dump her was stupid. No matter what you think of her, this isn’t a time for the Speaker to be learning on the job.
I do particularly like the fact that Trump can’t think of a stupid nickname for her. Of course, equally as telling is the fact he never even mentions AOC, presumably because even he has enough low cunning to realize that she’s better at Twitter than he is, and that getting into a spat with her would be humiliating enough that even he would feel it.
You know, I have to say, if you’re going to be a fascist, at least put your back into it. The thing that pisses me off the most about Peterson and his cronies is how unwilling they are to simply say: “Yes. We want white men to control society because we think that is good. We want women to submit to their partners and stay home taking care of many children. We want conservative Christianity to have considerable input into law and custom. We believe that men should be allowed to screw around, and women should be punished for doing so. We don’t like birth control because it lets women get away with screwing around.”
Instead, you get all this “out of context” whining, and lots of vague indirection about being open to ideas that liberals won’t tolerate, and dark warnings about social experiments, and gaslighting and bullshit. It’s annoying as fuck.
I was a virgin until well into my twenties, because it took me that long to finally get a real boyfriend who wanted to go the distance. And when that relationship failed, I didn’t “revirginize” myself, I just moved on.
Yet somehow, along the way, I managed to avoid turning into a murderous incel thug. At worst, I was just perpetually bewildered at how often a promising romantic prospect didn’t pan out. Amazing what all that Nice Girl Training can do for one.
Maybe men and boys should get it, too.
I know what you mean. After my assault I had some people try to comfort me by telling me that it didn’t count as losing my virginity. There was a point where I wanted to make that known because I felt like he took something from me. Not only did he hurt me but he stole something I could never get back. It took looking over my views on sex and dealing with that trauma to let that go. Even after all that pain I certainly wanted to avoid men as much as I possibly could but I never turned into murderous little twerp. Incels can’t tell real pain from a hole in the ground. The combination of them and Peterson bullshit fill me with a special kind of rage that finally got me to comment.
Ooh, and President Cheeto just backed down. How many times now has Pelosi, for lack of a better term, bitch-slapped him?
(There must be a better term, but I really can’t think of it right now.)
@Rabid Rabbit
I don’t know if ‘pimp-slap’ is better or worse, but I’ve heard the two used interchangeably.
In case anyone here hasn’t seen Some More News, he did a great video on how completely broken out court system is when it comes to sexual assault:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYw0HSnXbg4
I would just strongly recommend his channel to anyone, because it’s easily the best news channel on youtube. As incredibly depressing as his videos can get, seeing as how they cover current events and all, I’ve loved every single one of them.
@Bina
Hell, I’ll do you one further. I didn’t lose my virginity until 28, and the girl who I lost it to ended up hurting me worse than anyone else ever has, now I’m almost 30 and I’ve still never had a girlfriend in my life (we were only friends). However, not only do I not hate her now, I don’t hate any women and I don’t feel entitled to anything. I think it’s entirely because I don’t really have an ego, with that out of the way, it’s easy to accept that my failures are my own responsibility, or just the result of shitty luck.
The problem with incels is that they are so desperate to blame women for their problems that even when they look at themselves, they still find a way to make it about how women see them, so that women and their preferences are ultimately always to blame. It’s easy to blame women for being too shallow to like you, even while you demand a young attractive virgin with no hint of irony, but it’s harder to look at yourself and ask, “why WOULD anyone like me?” So far I haven’t come up with an answer for that. I think that’s what incels are afraid of. Not only accepting that they are the problem, but that in order to fix the problem, they’d have to let go of that rampant sense of entitlement. And if they do that, they will never truly get what they want, because what they want is everything with no compromises.
This guy is a good example of that. He’s had sex and a girlfriend, but he considers all that void because he didn’t get exactly what he wanted. Incels are just guys who have reached such an astonishing level of entitlement that it can never realistically be fulfilled, and they are always angry about it.
How did that happen? Born that way or is it possible to grow/remove one’s somehow? What are the downsides of lacking one? Trouble standing up for yourself when you really are being treated unfairly?
Oh for fuck’s sake!
A girlfriend is not a pacifier. A wife is not a pacifier.
Making your good behaviour contingent on getting to fuck (over) another human being makes you a sack of shit.
Incels, the reason you don’t get laid is the sheer hate for women seeping out of your every pore.
People can tell. Women have whisper networks about which dudes to avoid.
Do something creepy to one woman, soon every woman in your social circle knows.
Looks have nothing to do with it.
@Surplus
I got it by being bullied, beaten, and generally treated like crap my whole life. The downside is also having no confidence or self-esteem whatsoever. I know there’s a healthy balance between the two, I’ve known and seen guys who are well adjusted decent human beings with grounded confidence and no entitlement complex, but things didn’t go that way for me. Still, I’d rather be like this than the opposite end of the extreme, because those guys seem no less miserable than I am, but they’re also extremely angry and bitter on top of it, and it just seems exhausting being so full of rage all the time.
It’s absolutely maddening how there are young men (some very young) rotting in American prisons for possession of laughable amounts of cannabis while an arsehole like this who clearly poses a threat to the wellbeing of women was free to walk the streets for so long. But I’m sure there will be an acolyte of Jackal B. Pizzlesniff along at any moment to tell us how “rape culture” is a figment of our imagination ?
Willing to bet Cleary has often described himself as a “nice guy”.
Disgusting that Norman Bates here got a slap on the wrist.