By David Futrelle
I suppose I should begin my telling you what the dogpill is, in case you don’t already know. And I should probably apologize in advance, because things are about to get really, really gross.
So. “The dogpill” is the notion — popular amongst incels and, to a lesser extent, among MGTOWs — that women are generally such depraved creatures that a significant portion of them would prefer to have sex with actual dogs rather than with all those nice young fellows they’ve put in their respective friend zones. It goes without saying that incels, ranking lower than even nice guys in every woman’s ranking of possible sex partners, can never hope to compete with even the mangiest of curs.
And no, the dogpill isn’t just a trolly joke amongst incels. While they certainly do joke about it, it’s pretty clear that a lot of them really do spend time feeling sorry for themselves because they’ve convinced themselves a significant portion of the female population is regularly fucking dogs. (Incels have similar theories about women and horses.)
Some incels also devote a great deal of attention to trying to figure out just how exactly these mysterious females determine when they’ll fuck men and when they’ll turn instead to their beasts.
For one commenter on the Incels.is forums, it all comes down to Chad Availability. But women, he adds, also distinguish between sexy Chad dogs and much less appealing tiny dogs.
For another Incels.is commenter called Uglyman, it all comes down to analyzing the ultimate purpose of sex.
“When a woman fucks a man,” he uglymansplains,
she gets turned on by him because subconsciously she wants him to imprengate her. She might have protected sex but the reproductive instinct is still there no matter how many contraceptives she takes. A woman wanting to have sex with man=she wants his genes, she wants to risk pregnancy.
I … don’t think that’s exactly true, my man, but continue.
Femoids will never have sex with incels because incels are not worthy of passing down their genes. In other words, they won’t fuck you because they don’t want your children. Being attractive as a man is all about being daddy material whether she realizes it or not.
I’m pretty sure a much bigger reason women won’t fuck you is that they can tell you’re the kind of dude who goes around calling women “femoids,” but whatever, he’s about to get to the dog part.
Now, dogs, cats, other women, objects, they will not get a woman pregnant. She fucks these things for the pleasure of it, it’s basically kinky masturbation. Heterosexual sex for a woman=reproduction, sex with anything else=masturbation.
So dogs are just big furry vibrators that can lick their own balls?
Comparing yourself to dogs and objects is redundant because you are judged on completely different stardards comapred to these things. It’s like apples and oranges. You are not competing with dogs, you are competing with other men and you are losing because your genes aren’t worth being passed on.
I don’t know from genes, but, again, I’m pretty sure the real reason women aren’t fucking you because your heads are filled to overflowing with this toxic mixture of misogyny and self-hatred.
I mean, come on, dudes, get the fuck over this shit. There’s more to life than sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and getting jealous of the imaginary sex lives of dogs.
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Well said, David. Men who have such contempt for women send off very strong negative vibes, women tend to pick up on this toxicity and stay away from them.
I mean, in the game of “Fuck, Marry, Kill” that no one is playing where the options are “Your dog, an incel, and ‘Chad'” I have no doubt that the incel is losing every time… but that doesn’t mean they’re ACTUALLY DOING IT. jeez, louise.
I do want to give them credit for finding a solution to the “exhausted Chad” problem. I mean, if 10% of the men are keeping 50% of the women sexually satisfied on a daily basis, they must be pretty sore by now. I’m glad dogs are picking up some of the slack.
@Skylalalalala~~
Thank you <3 It sounds to me like you are doing parenting right. @Podkanye, i'm just a dummy and I don't know anything, but I think that simple honest communication is best, like Skylala~ is talking about. Teaching by showing, about respect and about boundaries.
@Von Ragnar, I'm glad you didn't turn into an Incel. No offense or aggression, but I'm also really exhausted by the fact that almost every horrifying Incel article has some comment in the top of the stack saying some variant of "I feel sorry for them and/or i could've been like them."
Never in the articles about rapists or abusers, but for some reason the people who vocally fantasize about being rapists and abusers, all the time. A segment of humanity really, really wants to sympathize with these abuse-idolizers, and I'm not 100% sure why that is.
@Skylalalalalalala
Showing rather than just telling is a very powerful teaching tool. You walk the walk.
This is hard core projection, because remember when some of these guys said they’d prefer to have sex with dogs (specifically, women’s bodies with dog brains in them)?
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/07/27/replace-womens-brains-with-dog-brains-so-theyll-have-sex-with-us-incel-proposes/
Just horrifying . If this behavior is normalized masturbation in their heads, I’m really disturbed at the thought that some of them might have pets.
@Scildfreja
Speaking as a guy who has also expressed a “there but the grace of God go I” sentiment in the past, I’d say the reasons are twofold.
1) We shared the same anxieties that were foisted upon us by the toxic masculinity that still permeate the high school and frat cultures of North America. We fretted about “virginity” and how that would define in-group interactions as time wore on. The teen sex comedies in theatres around that time didn’t help.
2) We may have dabbled in a bit of edgelording in the past. I came of age reading SomethingAwful, Newgrounds, Maddox and eBaumsWorld, which in the days of early cable internet seemed as subversive as the internet got. It wasn’t, but it felt like that to middle-class teenager growing up in the heady days around the dot-com bubble. One of the key differences was that the internet wasn’t sophisticated enough for that interaction to go both ways; SomethingAwful had a forum, but I think it cost money to post there. The rest were read-only at the time. 4chan was still a couple years out.
As I look over the arc of my life, as quiet and arguably conforming as it has been, I’ve definitely grown more disillusioned and cynical, but rather than succumbing to the allure of nihilism, I’ve only grown more socialist, more humanist and more engaged. The worst that can be said about me is that I’m complacent and comfortable, although I have been trying to get out of my shell in recent years.
What I was not was cruel, capricious and eager for the validation of those just as cruel and capricious. This all stemmed from a moment of self-reflection I had at the ol’ Liver Clinic at Toronto General. I was thinking about how it had been 26 years I had been living with my friend PSC, and a story came on CP24 that was playing on the waiting room: fresh charges laid in the case of a video depicting several St. Michael’s College boys who assaulted another boy in a painful and humiliating way. (TW: Graphic content as indicated in the story itself.)
St. Michael’s College School is a Catholic private school for boys. I only knew of it from its association with the St. Michael’s Majors, which was an OHL team when I was growing up, but when it was the school’s team had a lot of NHL alumni pass its halls. Evidently the boys involved were members of some athletics team, as the assault depicted took place in the school’s locker room. And as the newscaster carried on, you know who immediately came to mind?
Brett Kavanaugh. The same wealthy Irish-Catholic prep-school dipshit for whom this kind of ritual humiliation was the norm. And as I was talking to my mom later, she asked me if I had ever experienced anything like this at public school and I had to tell her “no.” Certainly nothing with that kind of cruelty. Sure, there was the bog-standard in-crowd exclusion and teasing that one really can’t escape in the halls of a school, but nothing that sadistic.
But then, I wasn’t a member of any sports clubs.
Regardless, the conclusion that I came to was that this really wasn’t a case of “there but by the grace of God go I”. I was quite firm in my emotional attenuation to discomfort and pain, having had to cheer up a bullied friend on more than one occasion. I knew what it was like to be in that position and would never be a part of that side of things. So I think we need to start recognizing that there are some differences in the waters in which we swim and the people that come out the other side of those waters… and a lot of them seem to get columns in national publications. Only when we acknowledge that can we start to change it.
Thank you for the kind comments, everyone. I regularly feel like we are complete failures as parents, but I do believe that raising our sons to know that women are autonomous, intelligent humans and that they aren’t owed anything from them just for being male is one of our successes. And might, partially at least, make up for some of our deficiencies.
@Katamount
This is a dead horse that people really need to stop beating.
There’s this graphic novel called ‘Maus’ which tells true tales of Jews who survived Nazi death camps. The one couple who met after escaping were the sweetest, kindest people, yet the author’s own father was openly racist against black people.
The “you don’t know what he’s been through” shtick holds no water.
Re the “I don’t know what he’s been through” malarkey.
Right. I don’t.
But I may know exactly what that person is putting someone else through, right this minute. And maybe have a chance to stop it.
Which would be my job right now.
(Plus of course we don’t know what else the victim has been through, either…)
@Jane Done
Actually, I was going in the opposite direction with the “waters in which we swim” bit: it’s the people who have been brought up in the most privileged (and repressed) little terrarium bubbles like Brett Kavanaugh that let their worst instincts to abuse their fellow human beings manifest.
This is hardly universal, but if 2018 has taught us anything, it’s that the powerful don’t look at people as human beings. They’re either pawns to be used or obstacles to be destroyed.
@Katamount:
Mmm, I see what you mean. It is a common tendency to assume that all humans are born with some innate ability to feel empathy, but as you say, that has been proven to be far from the truth.
@Podkaine Live
I know this thread is older but maybe you’ll still see this.
Back in the gamergate time I briefly slipped into that scene and my advice to keep your son out of that would be to make sure his political views get as concrete as possible during his teenage years.
Often these groups recruit through less extreme people and go on to more extreme ones.
First they only hate made up feminazis, then all feminists and then all women.
When I fell into that scene, I was fairly left leaning but all my political views were rather broad. So I believed in equality, but I was still naive enough to believe that those feminazis just hate men and so on and so on. A lot of those youtubers who act as gateways into these scenes often use the terms that feminists use and use them as evidence. So they’ll say that feminists using the term “toxic masculinity”, for example, means that feminists view masculinity and men as inherently toxic. And these people can only do that if your son doesn’t know what toxic masculinity really means.
So my advice would be to talk with him about politics when he gets older. Talk about concrete policies and political terms, so that he’s informed enough to see that those groups are bs.
Of course as his mother you’ll know best how to raise him, I just wanted to offer my 2 cents in case they help.
Well, i have spoken with some guys…. (Who are maybe just trying to prove that you CAN become lesbian)
Who actually have fantasies about women have sex with dogs.
So, YES they are just calling their own GROSS fantasies to be true.
And I even heard and read things that are WORSE. And i will not tell you, you don’t want to know.
Why are there so much guys such gross pigs (i know not all are, and it seems like the ones who are not mus hide)