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I regret to inform you that the incels are still talking about the “dogpill”

How can incels compete with THIS cool dude?

By David Futrelle

I suppose I should begin my telling you what the dogpill is, in case you don’t already know. And I should probably apologize in advance, because things are about to get really, really gross.

So. “The dogpill” is the notion — popular amongst incels and, to a lesser extent, among MGTOWs — that women are generally such depraved creatures that a significant portion of them would prefer to have sex with actual dogs rather than with all those nice young fellows they’ve put in their respective friend zones. It goes without saying that incels, ranking lower than even nice guys in every woman’s ranking of possible sex partners, can never hope to compete with even the mangiest of curs.

And no, the dogpill isn’t just a trolly joke amongst incels. While they certainly do joke about it, it’s pretty clear that a lot of them really do spend time feeling sorry for themselves because they’ve convinced themselves a significant portion of the female population is regularly fucking dogs.  (Incels have similar theories about women and horses.)

Some incels also devote a great deal of attention to trying to figure out just how exactly these mysterious females determine when they’ll fuck men and when they’ll turn instead to their beasts.

For one commenter on the Incels.is forums, it all comes down to Chad Availability. But women, he adds, also distinguish between sexy Chad dogs and much less appealing tiny dogs.

When Chad is busy fucking the other sluts in his harem dogs will fill his role. Only the Chad breeds tho, Huskies, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Pitbulls etc, little dogs get no play, the blackpill affects dogs too.

For another Incels.is commenter called Uglyman, it all comes down to analyzing the ultimate purpose of sex.

“When a woman fucks a man,” he uglymansplains,

she gets turned on by him because subconsciously she wants him to imprengate her. She might have protected sex but the reproductive instinct is still there no matter how many contraceptives she takes. A woman wanting to have sex with man=she wants his genes, she wants to risk pregnancy.

I … don’t think that’s exactly true, my man, but continue.

Femoids will never have sex with incels because incels are not worthy of passing down their genes. In other words, they won’t fuck you because they don’t want your children. Being attractive as a man is all about being daddy material whether she realizes it or not.

I’m pretty sure a much bigger reason women won’t fuck you is that they can tell you’re the kind of dude who goes around calling women “femoids,”  but whatever, he’s about to get to the dog part.

Now, dogs, cats, other women, objects, they will not get a woman pregnant. She fucks these things for the pleasure of it, it’s basically kinky masturbation. Heterosexual sex for a woman=reproduction, sex with anything else=masturbation.

So dogs are just big furry vibrators that can lick their own balls?

Comparing yourself to dogs and objects is redundant because you are judged on completely different stardards comapred to these things. It’s like apples and oranges. You are not competing with dogs, you are competing with other men and you are losing because your genes aren’t worth being passed on.

I don’t know from genes, but, again, I’m pretty sure the real reason women aren’t fucking you because your heads are filled to overflowing with this toxic mixture of misogyny and self-hatred.

I mean, come on, dudes, get the fuck over this shit. There’s more to life than sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and getting jealous of the imaginary sex lives of dogs.

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Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

So, it’s easier for these guys to believe women would rather get shagged by a dog than to take a good look at themselves and their misogyny.

Good god-a-mighty.

As for the “Heterosexual sex for a woman=reproduction” bullfeathers, no. Sometimes sex is about pair-bonding, making your partner happy, working off tension, celebrating … basically as many reasons as there are hetero women, I suspect.

lkeke35
lkeke35
1 year ago

Some things get nothing more than this from me:
*SIGH*🙄

That’s all I got for this one.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

they’re good dogs Brent

These guys… have they ever actually spoken to a woman? If nothing else, presumably they have mothers, unless they were raised by wolves. Wolves who refused to have sex with them…

Von Ragnar
Von Ragnar
1 year ago

sigh I wish I could still feel sorry for those guys. I know having low self-esteem can be a bitch and many of them probably had fuck-up lives. Hell, I was dangerously close to fall into their mindset once in my life, but… at this point, it’s like Event Horizon of hatred, self-pity and misogyny.

BradMoonRising
BradMoonRising
1 year ago

If I could time-travel, I would definitely go back to 10 minutes ago, when I didn’t know what the “dogpill” was. I wish I could unread this.

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

Actually, “The Imaginary Sex Lives of Dogs” would make a good gimmick band name.

As for the rest of this:

https://giphy.com/gifs/archer-nope-b4pPnoO1QDd1C

To repeat what I said from the last thread: Endgame. What do these guys envision? I’d ask them but I’m afraid they’d actually tell me.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

They note the thing that is true. Which is that women would rather spend time with their pets than date a creepy misogynist. Then they just have to project their own hangups onto the situation. They’re obsessed with, so they assume that sex must be the reason that dogs are a more appealing companion than them.

There. My attempt to explain this extremely fucked up trend.

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
1 year ago

I WOULD rather fuck a dog than an incel – in a situation where I was forced to choose at gunpoint. Otherwise I happily choose neither, because I would rather go without sex entirely if that’s the only two options.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
1 year ago

I’m so glad these guys are taking themselves out of the gene pool.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

I can only imagine what sort of stuff turns up in these… creatures’ porn searches. The ASPCA should maybe look into this.

Alexis Filth
Alexis Filth
1 year ago

You know how you could always find the creepiest, most sexist shithead in your high school? You look for the guys who were spreading the rumor about that one girl fucking her dog/ having her dog lick peanut butter off of her.
There was always one young woman who would be targeted with this story, usually overweight, usually unpopular. And the guys spreading that tale? Those guys were always the same ones always ready with a “get me a sammich” or a ‘joke’ about “two black eyes”.
These losers have just clung to that high school rumor and spread it to encompass all women.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

Please stop projecting your fetishes onto women incels k thx bye

Bina
1 year ago

She might have protected sex but the reproductive instinct is still there no matter how many contraceptives she takes. A woman wanting to have sex with man=she wants his genes, she wants to risk pregnancy.

NOPE. Speaking as one who’s never wanted that, consciously or otherwise, from man OR dog, I say that off is the direction in which I wish this guy to fuck.

And he can take all his fuckheaded kin with him, too.

Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
1 year ago

Brain bleach:
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Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

I wish I could still feel sorry for those guys

I apologise in advance if this is a little heavy handed, but this is not quite so much a response to you in particular as it is to society.

Anyways…

I just gotta ask one question.

What THE FUCK happened to integrity?
Isn’t that supposed to be the manliest of man feels? Aren’t all the greatest cowboys and strongmen supposed to be stoic, unassailable, heroes of strong character?

No, if anything, the last two years have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that “these guys” are the most infantile of people who lack a single shred of character. They’ve been throwing a hissy fit of rage, not because they got spanked for doing bad things, but merely at the suggestion that they should not be above discipline. Because, despite #metoo, despite #blacklivesmatter, despite lgbtq and especially trans activism, cishet white male bigots are still protected from consequences. The powerful (and often just the average everyday joe) still get away with discrimination, they still get away with rape, they still get away with murder, and minorities are still struggling to attain basic human rights. And cishet white men are still upset about getting their feefees hurt.

“These guys” have never faced discipline in their entire lives, have never been hurt in a real way, the kind of hurt that people who are trampled on by all of society feel every day. They’re screaming louder than anyone else because they’re spoiled brats, and trying to feel sorry for them only makes things worse. We should have never even tried in the first place.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 year ago

I think I need to go lie down now. No, not with a dog. I actually have a cat pressed against one of my shins.

Even if much of this is trolling or pissing into the wind, it’s still disgusting and disturbing.

Bina
1 year ago

@Dormousing_it:

I think I need to go lie down now. No, not with a dog. I actually have a cat pressed against one of my shins.

I think I’ll grab my own kitty and do likewise. And just to disappoint these creepy, CREEPY mofos, it will be kept strictly platonic, as is in fact normal for women with cats.

Pagan Reader, the brain bleach is much appreciated.

Austin G Loomis
Austin G Loomis
1 year ago

If nothing else, presumably they have mothers, unless they were raised by wolves.

Being raised by wolves would’ve brought them out way ahead of where they ended up. Hell, being raised by Audio-Animatronic wolves at a Disney park would be at least one step up.

ellesar
ellesar
1 year ago

Talk about projection. The average incel is much more likely to be engaging in sex with non humans than the average woman, not just much, but MUCH and then some.

I provide no evidence for this, as they do not for their ridiculous claims.

TreePerson
TreePerson
1 year ago

I swear these guys are just posting their fantasies as truth.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
1 year ago

I have a son. He’s two and a half. After reading one of these spectacular pieces, I always watch him sleeping, or playing with little plastic toys, or watching PG Masks, and think to myself, “My God, how do I protect you from turning into a dirtbag like this? You seem fine now. What do I need to do in order to make sure you never think most women are having sex with dogs in order to avoid you?”

(Also, now I kind of want/not want to read incel reviews of the kids shows and books my children like. I’m sure that Pete the Cat, with his optimistic attitude about small problems, would drive them crazy.)

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

I certainly don’t want to have sex with an incel, who is by definition a horrible, not to mention unsexy, human. Nor do I want to have sex with a dog — that would be abuse of an animal and completely unsexy to me, not to mention dangerous. When diseases jump the animal-human barrier they can be devastating to the human. So no to either.

On the other hand, I’ve adopted several animals. I’m the kitty mom of two beautiful, smart, intrepid furry children, one of whom is too young to know he’s adopted. I’m waiting for the right time to tell him.

In summation: Sex with incels — no! Sex with animals — no! Adoption of animals — yes!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Jane Done

What THE FUCK happened to integrity?
Isn’t that supposed to be the manliest of man feels? Aren’t all the greatest cowboys and strongmen supposed to be stoic, unassailable, heroes of strong character?

Ha, ha! Nah, these guys can’t even be bothered to pretend
they have integrity.

Which reminds me that an abusive ex-boyfriend of mine claimed to have a “code” that governed his behavior. He didn’t specify what that code was. My thought: It must be a secret code, the kind that requires a decoder ring.

I was pretty thrilled to find that my boyfriend — who became my boyfriend a few months after I kicked that abusive ex-boyfriend to the curb — has a conscience! He doesn’t need to be told how to be a decent human being!

Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
1 year ago

Podkayne Lives
December 28, 2018 at 12:17 am
I have a son. He’s two and a half. After reading one of these spectacular pieces, I always watch him sleeping, or playing with little plastic toys, or watching PG Masks, and think to myself, “My God, how do I protect you from turning into a dirtbag like this? You seem fine now. What do I need to do in order to make sure you never think most women are having sex with dogs in order to avoid you?”

I have 4 sons. The youngest is nearly 7, the oldest is 17. It’s hard to tell with the younger ones, but we’ve clearly done something right with the eldest and seem to have done something right with the 2nd eldest as well (he’s 13 and has severe ADHD + anger issues which he has worked so *hard* to improve in the last few years, but he also keeps his thoughts very private, so it’s not always easy to read him). My 17 year old is absolutely baffled by these guys – their thinking is totally alien to him.

It helps they have a father who is mostly not a misogynistic jerk – he occasionally has his moments, but I think it’s nearly impossible for anyone growing up in our toxic society to not have occasional things they screw up or don’t really get.

We have regular (age appropriate) discussions about consent. They know they can come to us and ask anything they want without fear (the 13 year old prefers to ask his older brother at this point, but the 17 year old regularly comes to me with some of the weirdest questions).

They know my husband & I are partners and the only reason dad doesn’t do more around the house is because he physically can’t (he’s seriously disabled & refuses to admit it, so he still does more than he really should).

Honestly, I’m trying to think of specific things we’ve done and I can’t come up with anything else.

Dr. Thang
Dr. Thang
1 year ago

@Von Ragnar

I can understand wanting to have compassion for everyone, but those who have none for others don’t deserve any themselves. Society already has a problem with leaping to defend any straight white guy in a scenario where anyone else wouldn’t get nearly as much sympathy, and incels are no different, there will be plenty of people who want to excuse them because apparently the greatest travesty in life is when men aren’t sufficiently privileged. I don’t wanna accuse you of that mindset, but these cretinous parasites don’t even deserve you wanting to feel sorry for them.

Take it from me, I know exactly how they feel, and that is why I can never feel sorry for them, nor will I ever want to. As a 29 year old male who has never had a girlfriend, my life is nothing more than an endless cycle of thinking I can’t possibly feel any more worthless, and then somehow feeling even more worthless. I can guarantee you I have it a lot worse than most of these kids (some are as young as 16!) and that has only made me sympathize with them less, not more. Because knowing exactly what they are going through has only given me a deeper understanding of exactly how unacceptable their beliefs and actions are. It’s really not hard to accept some responsibility for your failures, or to accept that you aren’t entitled to sex, or to not treat any half baked theory you pulled out of your ass as an undeniable fact.

The bottom line is, incels are lazy, immature, entitled, hateful children, and we shouldn’t WANT to feel sorry for them in spite of all that, just because they have some problems. We ALL have problems, many of which are much worse than theirs, but we don’t use that as an excuse to be repulsive bitter scumbags. Where are our medals for being decent human beings?

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
1 year ago

I’m pretty sure a much bigger reason women won’t fuck you is that they can tell you’re the kind of dude who goes around calling women “femoids,”

Well said, David. Men who have such contempt for women send off very strong negative vibes, women tend to pick up on this toxicity and stay away from them.

brian
brian
1 year ago

I mean, in the game of “Fuck, Marry, Kill” that no one is playing where the options are “Your dog, an incel, and ‘Chad'” I have no doubt that the incel is losing every time… but that doesn’t mean they’re ACTUALLY DOING IT. jeez, louise.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

I do want to give them credit for finding a solution to the “exhausted Chad” problem. I mean, if 10% of the men are keeping 50% of the women sexually satisfied on a daily basis, they must be pretty sore by now. I’m glad dogs are picking up some of the slack.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
1 year ago

@Skylalalalala~~

Thank you <3 It sounds to me like you are doing parenting right. @Podkanye, i'm just a dummy and I don't know anything, but I think that simple honest communication is best, like Skylala~ is talking about. Teaching by showing, about respect and about boundaries.

@Von Ragnar, I'm glad you didn't turn into an Incel. No offense or aggression, but I'm also really exhausted by the fact that almost every horrifying Incel article has some comment in the top of the stack saying some variant of "I feel sorry for them and/or i could've been like them."

Never in the articles about rapists or abusers, but for some reason the people who vocally fantasize about being rapists and abusers, all the time. A segment of humanity really, really wants to sympathize with these abuse-idolizers, and I'm not 100% sure why that is.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

@Skylalalalalalala

Honestly, I’m trying to think of specific things we’ve done and I can’t come up with anything else.

Showing rather than just telling is a very powerful teaching tool. You walk the walk.

Jurgan
Jurgan
1 year ago

This is hard core projection, because remember when some of these guys said they’d prefer to have sex with dogs (specifically, women’s bodies with dog brains in them)?

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/07/27/replace-womens-brains-with-dog-brains-so-theyll-have-sex-with-us-incel-proposes/

Hexum7
Hexum7
1 year ago

Just horrifying . If this behavior is normalized masturbation in their heads, I’m really disturbed at the thought that some of them might have pets.

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

@Scildfreja

Never in the articles about rapists or abusers, but for some reason the people who vocally fantasize about being rapists and abusers, all the time. A segment of humanity really, really wants to sympathize with these abuse-idolizers, and I’m not 100% sure why that is.

Speaking as a guy who has also expressed a “there but the grace of God go I” sentiment in the past, I’d say the reasons are twofold.

1) We shared the same anxieties that were foisted upon us by the toxic masculinity that still permeate the high school and frat cultures of North America. We fretted about “virginity” and how that would define in-group interactions as time wore on. The teen sex comedies in theatres around that time didn’t help.

2) We may have dabbled in a bit of edgelording in the past. I came of age reading SomethingAwful, Newgrounds, Maddox and eBaumsWorld, which in the days of early cable internet seemed as subversive as the internet got. It wasn’t, but it felt like that to middle-class teenager growing up in the heady days around the dot-com bubble. One of the key differences was that the internet wasn’t sophisticated enough for that interaction to go both ways; SomethingAwful had a forum, but I think it cost money to post there. The rest were read-only at the time. 4chan was still a couple years out.

As I look over the arc of my life, as quiet and arguably conforming as it has been, I’ve definitely grown more disillusioned and cynical, but rather than succumbing to the allure of nihilism, I’ve only grown more socialist, more humanist and more engaged. The worst that can be said about me is that I’m complacent and comfortable, although I have been trying to get out of my shell in recent years.

What I was not was cruel, capricious and eager for the validation of those just as cruel and capricious. This all stemmed from a moment of self-reflection I had at the ol’ Liver Clinic at Toronto General. I was thinking about how it had been 26 years I had been living with my friend PSC, and a story came on CP24 that was playing on the waiting room: fresh charges laid in the case of a video depicting several St. Michael’s College boys who assaulted another boy in a painful and humiliating way. (TW: Graphic content as indicated in the story itself.)

St. Michael’s College School is a Catholic private school for boys. I only knew of it from its association with the St. Michael’s Majors, which was an OHL team when I was growing up, but when it was the school’s team had a lot of NHL alumni pass its halls. Evidently the boys involved were members of some athletics team, as the assault depicted took place in the school’s locker room. And as the newscaster carried on, you know who immediately came to mind?

Brett Kavanaugh. The same wealthy Irish-Catholic prep-school dipshit for whom this kind of ritual humiliation was the norm. And as I was talking to my mom later, she asked me if I had ever experienced anything like this at public school and I had to tell her “no.” Certainly nothing with that kind of cruelty. Sure, there was the bog-standard in-crowd exclusion and teasing that one really can’t escape in the halls of a school, but nothing that sadistic.

But then, I wasn’t a member of any sports clubs.

Regardless, the conclusion that I came to was that this really wasn’t a case of “there but by the grace of God go I”. I was quite firm in my emotional attenuation to discomfort and pain, having had to cheer up a bullied friend on more than one occasion. I knew what it was like to be in that position and would never be a part of that side of things. So I think we need to start recognizing that there are some differences in the waters in which we swim and the people that come out the other side of those waters… and a lot of them seem to get columns in national publications. Only when we acknowledge that can we start to change it.

Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
1 year ago

Thank you for the kind comments, everyone. I regularly feel like we are complete failures as parents, but I do believe that raising our sons to know that women are autonomous, intelligent humans and that they aren’t owed anything from them just for being male is one of our successes. And might, partially at least, make up for some of our deficiencies.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Katamount

there are some differences in the waters in which we swim

This is a dead horse that people really need to stop beating.

There’s this graphic novel called ‘Maus’ which tells true tales of Jews who survived Nazi death camps. The one couple who met after escaping were the sweetest, kindest people, yet the author’s own father was openly racist against black people.

The “you don’t know what he’s been through” shtick holds no water.

bluecat
bluecat
1 year ago

Re the “I don’t know what he’s been through” malarkey.

Right. I don’t.

But I may know exactly what that person is putting someone else through, right this minute. And maybe have a chance to stop it.

Which would be my job right now.

(Plus of course we don’t know what else the victim has been through, either…)

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

@Jane Done

The “you don’t know what he’s been through” shtick holds no water.

Actually, I was going in the opposite direction with the “waters in which we swim” bit: it’s the people who have been brought up in the most privileged (and repressed) little terrarium bubbles like Brett Kavanaugh that let their worst instincts to abuse their fellow human beings manifest.

This is hardly universal, but if 2018 has taught us anything, it’s that the powerful don’t look at people as human beings. They’re either pawns to be used or obstacles to be destroyed.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

@Katamount:

Mmm, I see what you mean. It is a common tendency to assume that all humans are born with some innate ability to feel empathy, but as you say, that has been proven to be far from the truth.

Amaror
Amaror
1 year ago

@Podkaine Live
I know this thread is older but maybe you’ll still see this.
Back in the gamergate time I briefly slipped into that scene and my advice to keep your son out of that would be to make sure his political views get as concrete as possible during his teenage years.
Often these groups recruit through less extreme people and go on to more extreme ones.
First they only hate made up feminazis, then all feminists and then all women.
When I fell into that scene, I was fairly left leaning but all my political views were rather broad. So I believed in equality, but I was still naive enough to believe that those feminazis just hate men and so on and so on. A lot of those youtubers who act as gateways into these scenes often use the terms that feminists use and use them as evidence. So they’ll say that feminists using the term “toxic masculinity”, for example, means that feminists view masculinity and men as inherently toxic. And these people can only do that if your son doesn’t know what toxic masculinity really means.
So my advice would be to talk with him about politics when he gets older. Talk about concrete policies and political terms, so that he’s informed enough to see that those groups are bs.
Of course as his mother you’ll know best how to raise him, I just wanted to offer my 2 cents in case they help.

MissWerejaguar
MissWerejaguar
1 month ago

Well, i have spoken with some guys…. (Who are maybe just trying to prove that you CAN become lesbian)
Who actually have fantasies about women have sex with dogs.

So, YES they are just calling their own GROSS fantasies to be true.
And I even heard and read things that are WORSE. And i will not tell you, you don’t want to know.
Why are there so much guys such gross pigs (i know not all are, and it seems like the ones who are not mus hide)