By David Futrelle
While most Americans were enjoying Thanksgiving, a small army of brave cyberwarriors were launching a guerrilla assault on … women selling nude pics of themselves online, reporting them to the IRS en masse for supposed tax evasion. (Or at least threatening to.)
These angry dudes — and they pretty much all seem to be dudes — don’t have any evidence that the targets of this so-called #ThotAudit aren’t paying taxes on unreported earnings. They mostly just want to take these “thots” — the term, short for “that hoe over there,” is now a popular synonym for “slut” — down a peg or two.
https://twitter.com/prowowdruid/status/1066437585877258240
https://twitter.com/TylerGange/status/1066480079658721281
You might not think that Reddit’s so-called Red Pill dudes would have much sympathy for this campaign, which is still evidently going strong.
After all, most Red Pillers tend to think of themselves as some variety of libertarian, way of “big government” and the taxes that fund it. And aren’t the supposed “victims” of these evil nude-selling women — that is, the guys who actually shell out money for exclusive pics and videos — a bunch of pathetic, porn-addicted beta cucks anyway? Red Pillers are supposedly up to their necks in Hot Babes. Isn’t getting mad at Instagram nude-pic-sellers an awfully incelly thing to do?
Well, as it turns out, Red Pill dudes seem as excited about exacting revenge against these women as any sex-deprived beta. In a recent thread on the #ThotAudit in the Red Pill subreddit, a bunch of the regulars lashed out at the alleged thot menace.
“The society of thots must be torn down,” wrote someone called Good-Boi.
Modern western woman embrace being whores but we should shame whores and put them down where every thy thot appears.
For someone called IVIaskerade, the #ThotAudit campaign was “Black Knighting at its finest.”
More than a few were happy to set aside their dislike of “snitching” to support what they saw as a good cause. AutisticusMaximus got more than 100 upvotes for a comment noting that
Although I was always against snitching for the sake of snitching, in order to get in good terms with the boss/teacher, whatever; I have nothing against this, I pay taxes, they should too, fuck off.
And I understand the non-monetary satisfaction in reporting here, the same hot women who never gave them the time of day in life and degraded them for their hobbies (video games, computers, etc.) are now disingenuously adopting those same hobbies because they can use their sexuality to monetize them.
But it was a Red Pill mod called bsutansalt who set forth the Red Pill Case for Thot Auditing in its full glory. Which is to say, not very much,
“Once upon a time,” he began,
there was a “pussy in every pot” as I like to call it for betas and chads alike. Civilization had checks and balances that ensured average dudes would land a woman to have some kids with to ensure he’d have skin in the game to slave and build society for.
It’s perhaps appropriate that he started off his rant with “once upon a time,” because so far this is little more than a familiar Red Pill fairy tale.
However, since the advent of women’s lib and the pill, women are now free to fuck and suck every chad they cross paths with and it’s causing a rift between the sexual haves and have nots that we’re just starting to see the ramifications of.
The idea that average woman is having endless wild orgies with a succession of chads while denying “betas” their fair share of sex is utter bullshit, no matter how often manosphere types insist on repeating it.
[I]t’s entirely understandable thirsty jaded dudes would blow the whistle on these thots who are taking advantage of their thirst. … [T]here’s also an financial incentive to blow the whistle on them: any taxes the IRS collects because of the dime you dropped, your’e liable to get a 30% cut.
No one is going to get a 30% cut for telling the IRS that they’re pretty sure SexyGirl99 is evading her taxes because, er, she thinks she’s all that? You have to give the IRS specific proof.
On the other end of the spectrum are the worst case examples are guys cracking under the pressure (and depression it causes) and shooting up yoga classes and theaters and whatnot.
It wouldn’t be a manosphere rant without some “warning” that if women don’t have sex with dudes they don’t want to have sex with these dudes will just up and murder them.
The more common consequence has been guys waking up, taking the red pill, and enjoying the decline primarily in one of two ways:
- Simply dropping out and going Galt (aka MGTOW) and
- Taking on the mantle of self-improvement to make themselves into chads so they can graduate into being one of the “haves”
Most of us here probably fall into category 2.
Or at least they want the other dudes reading their comments to think that they do.
In conclusion, I fully endorse #thotaudit if only for the checks and balances it represents to women’s sexuality.
In other words, his wall of text was basically just a more verbose version of “lmao, these thots are just getting what’s coming to them!”
But not everyone in the Red Pill subreddit was quite this enthusiastic about the #ThotAudit campaign.
“my general disapproval of sluts is at war with my hatred of taxes,” wrote someone called russian_n*gger.
“I can’t endorse snitching,” added chadmarco. “I’d rather men just not throw money at bitches in the first place.”
But it was legendary Red Pill commenter GayLubeOil who offered the most, well, creative argument against the snitching campaign.
“There’s nothing “Alpha” about this,” he declared.
What we’re seeing is the Incel Slave Class adopting the value system of the Thot Master class in a traditional Hegalian Master Slave Dialectic. In this case specifically it’s PayPal deplatforming.
Another example of this Untermensh mentality is Paul Elam and MGTOW adopting the feminist victimhood narrative for their needs.
Being a slave in a Master Slave Dialectic automatically makes you beta.
One point to GayLubeOil for working a gratuitous Paul Elam dis into a discussion of the #ThotAudit hashtag. Two points for the reference to Hegel. One point off for spelling his name wrong.
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@ Canuck:
The link worked for me
Campuses have ALWAYS been this way…. The current alt-right does not want to discuss the long, long period when any progressive idea was literally laughed out of the classroom, and predatory patriarchy was the campus motto….
… but just let one person object to a slap on the butt by a professor emeritus and “… everyone loses their mind“….
I burned a bunch of people in the D Wu comment thread on facebook.
They didn’t have too many comebacks to the roasting I dished out.
Made the mistake of reading the comments in the article’s Reddit thread. Most commenters missed the “baseless accusation” part and started grousing about how unfair it was that sex workers supposedly didn’t pay taxes. Weird how we take MRA’s words at face value, but constantly undermine women when they try to speak.
3) sitting in our basement screaming at the internet because someone else won’t fix our problems for us….
Actually, most of us here probably fall into category 3
ftfy
@ Violet:
this… This… THIS!!!!
Actually, there are a lot of other reasons… to get a job, to have any credibelity in a court, etc… tho all those things are so because the nitwit mras, etc. SAAY they are….
re: campuses and progressivism….
In the Before Times, the campus discussion was directed by the heirarchy/administration, and progressives had no place at that table. In the 50’s/60’s, students decided that if they were not to be afforded a place at the table for discussion, then they would just MOVE THE DISCUSSION INTO THE YARD.
Now, the discussion seems to revolve around whatever snowflakeiness the left is upset about, and the right just whines and grinches because they’re not centered in the discussion anymore.
The reality is, very little change has been seen. The sound and fury on campus does sound biased much to the left channel, and, indeed several speakers favored by the right have been denied a publicly funded platform for their hatred.
Nonetheless, a conservative mindset still controls the administration, and certainly the boardrooms where the men who control the endowment sit. Regarding the direction of the narrative on the ground, the discussion of right-wing ideals; white supremacy, pro-Confederate States propaganda, and bikini shots in the classroom PowerPoint is always guided by the principal “Can We Get Away With It”… any discussion of left-wing ideals; Human Rights, Sexual Assault, and anti-fascism is always met with “Can We Get Out Of It?”
… so, while I do feel some measure of empathy for these, the whitest of snowflakes (no, I do… I really DO), I hafta say, “… look at the bright side… after you get your fee-fees hurt, the richest patriarchial society in the history of oppression has your back!!”
For the lefty snowflakes, now that you have YOUR feelings hurt, you get stomped into the slush in the gutter.
You know, there’s something almost (almost!) charming about a bunch of clueless dipshits on the internet thinking that the IRS has the time or wherewithal to nickel and dime sex workers. It’s almost Randian in its conception of government as this all-powerful punishment tool that sucks up all the monies from “hard working tax payers” (TM) when the reality is that it’s been gutted so heavily that it can barely keep up with all the actual factual tax cheats.
This is what believing one’s own myths looks like.
@Violet The Vile
Yup. I’m still blown away that people dedicate this much energy to such a petty and pathetic goal, yet this is exactly what it is.
@Weird Eddie
I hear this talking point a lot and I have to say, there’s a certain gaslighting component to it because it completely differs from my university experience. To listen to these people, it’s wall-to-wall student protests and every class is Triggered 101, where poor innocent profs are subjected to twelve inclusivity complaints before lunchtime.
No, it was more just “Ah, crap, I got two labs to write, an English essay and about five problem sets to complete before the big final!” If it wasn’t furious typing in the computer lab, it was hours spent in the library reading. It was work work work work work broken up with the occasional decompression gathering in the common room. I barely had the time to get political. Granted, I was in a professional STEM field, but I still had to take humanities classes, so it wasn’t all equations and formulae. I had to engage in class discussions about written works, had participation marks and none of it was “This story about a female necrophile is clearly a Marxist polemic about class exploitation and anybody who says otherwise is a triggering racist-sexist.” (Aside: thanks for that story, Barbra Gowdy, it certainly sticks in the brain).
No, it was always about the subject matter at hand and trying to internalize the material to get decent grades. Because grades were the bottom line: part of the pressure of university and why I still have recurring dreams about it was simply how stressful it is to have those numbers deciding your future.
That’s why I’m always skeptical of people who write about campus politics five, ten, twenty years removed from actually being a student. They’re trying to build a narrative that is completely counterfactual to my own lived experience. And somehow I doubt things have gotten less stressful for students to the point they have the time to engage politically more than they did in the past.
And of course, these “ideas”, these precious “ideas” never get named whenever they’re brought up. Because it’s always the same pseudo-scientific crap from the 19th century with some lipstick on it:
As I’m rewatching Star Trek: The Next Generation, there was one bit that I totally didn’t remember, but cemented Picard’s status as the better Captain than Kirk, from the otherwise terrible episode “Samaritan Snare”, where Picard and Wesley Crusher share their awkward shuttle trip:
That’s Captain Picard directly telling a kid who is the 24th century equivalent of the Silicon Valley-destined wunkerkind that there’s more to life than coding and the humanities matter. Because that’s what you really should come out of university thinking. Not “wow, I know everything” it’s “wow, I barely know jack about this vast cosmos of ours.” It should instill both a curiosity and an appreciation for everything you encounter in your life, from disparate culture to nature to literature and art. And if universities are not creating intellectually curious people, then they really have failed. That’s why I find dillholes like Jordan Peterson so odious: they’re telling people to be less curious about the world because something something Western civilization, something something neo-Marxism.
Okay, rant over… for now… still got a lot I can say about how odd the concept of Risa is in the Trek canon.
Self-awareness, how does it work? Guess Doosh is miffed that he can’t find any HB10s to, what was it, stroke his beard? Ugh.
@Katamount: “dillholes.” Glad to know I’m not the only one who uses that one. Regarding Triggered 101, I do recall some classmates, in the mid-90s, getting very upset when they were asked not what they felt, but what they thought. Some students (and faculty) seemed permanently aggrieved, but that’s hardly unique to academe.
On balance, I’d say the most annoying thing I heard in academe when last I wandered those halls came from a fellow student, during a debate on censorship. He was in favor, and he made the mistake of asserting that a teacher should simply tell students the official interpretation of whatever literary text they were studying.
Did I mention this was during the time they’d allotted for audience responses and that my hand shot up so quickly I nearly hurt myself? And that I was taking literary criticism that semester?
It’s been almost 30 years, but I think I came out of college thinking “wow, it’s over. Maybe I won’t think about killing myself quite as often.”
@AsAboveSoBelow
Yeah, we encounter those kind of folks everywhere. Curmudgeons, attention seekers… can’t really get away from ’em.
@Victorious Parasol
Eeep! Rather an authoritarian mindset. I can certainly see more context being offered if there’s an understanding gulf (one thing I hated about studying Shakespeare 500 years removed from anything resembling its original context), but yeah, it’s rare that literature is so cut-and-dry. Unless the book being studied is The Turner Diaries or Camp of the Saints.
@Alan, Lumipuna:
Of course, there’s no legal system in existence that can’t be gamed. And probably never will be. (I could probably do a variant of Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem on that.) Attempting to patch the holes just leads to different problems. And we really don’t want to go the ‘Judge Death’ path.
@Katamount:
Yes, in many ways the point of University should be to get you past the Dunning-Kruger hump, down the other side where you realize how much there is that you don’t know yet. That, and teach you how to learn more. Unfortunately, as a lot of universities are trying to become four year tech colleges focusing on preparing people for future jobs, a lot of that is getting lost.
I went through an Engineering program at Waterloo, and as you note, some non-technical electives were required, basically a half year’s worth of the four years. (Philosophy 140, aka Boolean Logic, was explicitly not allowed as a non-technical elective.) I enjoyed that part. Even managed to find one of the English profs who was teaching a Science Fiction analysis course, which included A Canticle for Liebowitz and Native Tongue. I liked that sort of thing. Even went through a Technical Writing two year program later at George Brown, because way too few programmers actually know how to write about it.
And yeah, there are the permanently aggrieved sorts, both left and right, because this is University, and you’re dealing with a lot of people who have just been exposed to shiny new ideas with all the idealism of youth, the free time of those just out of their parents’ place for the first time, and none of the experience on how to tone things down or deal with nuance.
(The Science Fiction club at the University of Waterloo, which I was in, actually ended up getting an Amnesty International chapter kicked out. The Amnesty International group just showed up without warning and started holding meetings in the clubs room, taking up the timeslot that we’d been using for years and bumping us out. We did a little research and found that they weren’t actually a registered club, they’d just assumed that they could get the clubs room key and the guy at the counter hadn’t known to tell them otherwise. We got our timeslot back, and they got an education in proper procedure. I respect Amnesty International in general, but groups like that unfortunately get a lot of folks with more passion than sense acting as if they’re the public face of the group.
And yes, I know that ‘proper procedure’ can be used to marginalize groups. That wasn’t true in this case.)
@ jenora
Really, Amnesty groups should meet in pubs; that’s how it all started.
In this one in fact. It’s just next to the Temple so popular with lawyers. It was some lawyer who got outraged about the arrest of some Portuguese students or something, so he wrote an article appealing for ‘Amnesty’. And this is where he hung out with friends and they decided to get a bit more organised.
It used to be a really nice traditional pub; but now it’s gone a bit trendy wine bar.
I learned that #ThotAudit was a thing yesterday because a middle-aged light fantasy author who I follow on Twitter was targeted by one of these doorknobs. If only all of the manosphere was this hilariously incompetent.
@David:
Not to mention his misspelling of “Untermensch”.
@Alan:
I’d actually heard that Amnesty International had started in a pub, I hadn’t known which one. Unfortunately, I suspect the fame for being the place where it started helped cause the ‘trendy wine bar’ aspect. Gentrification is a thing I’ve seen in action.
(I ended up chatting with some people canvassing for Amnesty International a few weeks ago; they were happy that I actually knew most of what they were taking about, which is kind of a sad commentary on things. I consider myself more knowledgeable about Canadian history than even most Canadians, but mostly because I consider that a disturbingly low bar.)
Getting back to some of Katamount’s comments, I think in my case it’s because for me engineering wasn’t about being ‘smart’ or building things, it was about problem solving. I’m one of the better debuggers where I work, because that requires a combination of big picture view and focus on detail that’s hard for most to hold in their head at the same time. I’ve always loved puzzles and figuring out ‘how did this happen in the first place?’
And when you get right down to it, ‘how did this happen’ is the context for a lot of the study of history as well. I just like seeing how the pieces connect, whether it’s a technical problem or a social one.
You’d think they’d like the fact that there are girls online you can see pics and videos of. I don’t really understand why they want women who will sleep with them but then hate the women who sleep around. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s like they’re just mad at themselves or something for paying for it.
Here’s a thread which claims that the guy who started this IRS thing is a serial creeper who hits on underage girls online.
If getting someone investigated by the IRS were as simple as contacting them and saying “I don’t have any evidence of wrongdoing, but maybe you could check them out?”, wouldn’t a certain occupant of the White House be in deep shit right now? Deeper shit, I mean.
@ Amy:
I think you may be onto something, there….
@ Katamount:
The universities can create intellectually curious people, but their ideas better stick to the narrative favored by the movers and shakers. If the new idea allows someone to profit, it will be explored (as long as it doesn’t interfere with the power structure’s hold on society.) If the idea enhanced the power structure’s hold on society, it will be explored (as long as it doesn’t interfere with the financial elite’s ability to increase its wealth.) Sometimes, these are the same people and these things can be worked out. In times when the power structure’s hold on power is firm, many new ideas can be generated, e.g. the “Golden Age” of Islam. When the power structure’s hold is tenuous, or when there is discord between the power elite and the financial elite, e.g. the Catholic Reformation, ideas will be suppressed.
The problem, particularly from the religious power elite’s perspective is that new ideas almost never support the status quo.
This is also true for regiemes whose ligitimacy comes from a creation or origin myth. Science has a distressing habit of messing with the truth every time we think we have discerned it. Science uses tools which are the antithesis of Authority and Sanctity, tools which anyone can be trained to use, and which anyone who uses them gets the same results.
From Charles Pierce’s foreword to “Idiot America”…
a pastor named Ray Mummert delivers the line that… in every real sense, sums it up.
Utter Jealousy
Even if someone was avoiding tax (no evidence in this case anyway), I would never snitch anyway, Im more of a “mind my own business guy”
@Jenora
Exactly. A lot of our focus was on process and the steps that one needed to take on solving a problem. Gathering resources, conducting experiments and so forth. That probably is the state of mind that has me so voraciously committing Canadian history to memory too, as a lot of the political problems that we’re facing now have parallels earlier in our history (or are rooted in decisions made 20-30 years ago).
What bothers me is just how many of my engineering brethren turn out to be the kind of entitled STEMLord shits that become James Damores, that obnoxious ex-Google guy who basically reminds me of Mitch Taylor from Real Genius if he never met Chris Knight and got the “there’s more to life than just pure science” speech. Because bereft of any kind of moral philosophy or any knowledge of history, of course Damore would look around his office and conclude “Yeah, women just aren’t as good as us menfolk.”
@Weird Eddie
Which is why I still have a lot of faith in science as an emancipatory tool. We cannot rely on it to take the place of moral philosophy, but we shouldn’t overlook its ability to liberate a lot of people from awful awful circumstance.
Man, I miss the good old days of 2015 when my girlfriend first introduced me to this site and the worst things on here were Roosh V’s writing and Paul Elam’s perception of reality, and the site tagline was “internet misogyny: tracked and mocked” or something like that and didnt feature the name of our actual frigging president because the worst of them all is now in charge
You know how MRAs hate Sex and the City with a fiery passion?
For once, they might have a point
http://dlisted.com/2018/11/27/i-didnt-know-that-mary-kay-letourneau-was-a-writer-on-the-sex-and-the-city-3-movie/#more-315199
The plot for the third SATC movie that didn’t happen because Kim Cattrell wanted nothing to do with it was going to feature Samantha getting sick pics from Miranda’s 14 year old son. Ew!
@Jenora Feuer
The problem with current laws is more that they’re dreamed up without enough thought about consequences and written down without enough thought about interpretation. A little bit more formal logic and a little bit less knee-jerk something-must-be-done-this-is-something would go a long way.
There’s no need to attribute to logical incompleteness that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. Or something.
@ Katamount;
That’s exactly why the powers that run the society DON’T like it.
I believe that’s a big part of the reason few past societies bothered to develop technology…. Sure Archimedes’ water screw is cool, but when you have 2000 slaves with buckets, who needs it??
@ Pie;
Thoughts of consequences and of interpretation depend very much on a thoughtful analysis of what’ the future holds….
Consider the U.S. Constitution Second Amendment…. “We the undersigned cast off all responsibility for the consequences of Angry White Men with guns….”
@Katamount:
As problematic as Heinlein could be, Lazarus Long’s line about ‘specialization is for insects’ had a point. Having at least some breadth of knowledge is a good thing.
If the overly-specialized people would at least confine their pronouncements to within their specialization, this would be less of a problem. But no, they’re smart people, so obviously all those other fields they aren’t experts in are ‘easy’…
@Pie, Weird Eddie:
Good point, a lot of laws in the real world are written without any real attempt at understanding the consequences. Or written deliberately to create negative consequences. And even in the best of cases, nobody can foresee the consequences decades down the line.
Really, the core set of laws (like various Constitutions) have to be written under the assumption that people with power will be attempting to subvert or abuse them for their own gain, and have ways to prevent them from going too far. The U.S. Constitution was, aside from a few obvious blind spots, a decent attempt at solving that. For its time.
Granted, I’m not sure anybody could write a set of rules that would constrain events when a group that actively believes government is a bad idea manages to get their hands on all the branches of the government.