By David Futrelle
The alt-rightification of the Men Going Their Own Way movement continues apace, with Reddit MGTOWs echoing racist alt-right talking points to argue, as many MGTOWs long have, that women should never have been given the right to vote.
In the MGTOW subreddit today, the regulars are discussing a meme that could have come straight from /pol/ or The Daily Stormer:
The meme echoes a longstanding alt-right complaint: that “Western” — that is, white — women have allowed themselves to become so “degenerate” that they will vote for immigrant-friendly politicians who will allow their countries to be flooded with brown and black-skinned immigrants and refugees, who will ultimately destroy the white race by intermarrying with, and having more babies than, the mostly-white populations who dominate these countries now.
The “Great Replacement,” in other words, is a slightly more euphemistic way of saying “white genocide,” which even some Nazis have realized sounds a tad ridiculous to everyone who isn’t quite so virulently racist as they are. You may recall the torch-bearing Nazis of Charlottesville chanting “you will not replace us,” sometimes switching out the “you” for “Jews.”
Many alt-right men are utterly obsessed with what they see as the traitorous role that they think white women will play (and are already playing) in their doomsday “white genocide” — er, sorry, “Great Replacement” — scenarios.
It’s not hard to see the psychosexual fears underlying this particular obsession. The Daily Stormer’s head boy Andrew Anglin regularly accuses white Western women of wanting to import “an endless supply of Black and Arab men to satisfy their depraved sexual desires,” as I noted in a recent post. Essentially, he thinks that white western women are turning white western men into “cucks” on a societal level.
Reddit’s MGTOWs don’t expose their sexual anxieties quite so nakedly. Instead of accusing western women of wanting to fuck the immigrants they welcome in, MGTOWs instead like to “warn” women that the “invaders” will rape them.
“Giving the right to vote to women was the single worst catastrophe in history,” writes a MGTOW Redditor calling himself Fantoche_Dreemurr.
Look at Sweden, the “world’s first feminist government” … aggressively ignoring the floods of feral rapists they brought in because no woman in power will ever admit she is wrong somewhere.
A commenter called cleats4u doesn’t warn so much as threaten:
You can look at Europe, see what is happening. And the American female voter will vote it in anyway. … Sorry sister, your ass is getting raped and boiled in oil. I’m growing a beard and getting a copy of the Koran.
Meanwhile, others in the subreddit go full Nazi, arguing that the alleged “Great Replacement” is being carefully orchestrated behind the scenes by, you guessed it, the Jews.
According to someone called G-Man96, “the Zionists keep pushing this on the Goyim. And the women fall for it everytime.”
Someone called wasthereadogwithyou blames white leaders of betraying their race:
It is largely a jewish effort, but they could not do it without the cooperation of white leadership/governments. The situation is now not necessarily one race vs. another race, but the ultra-rich vs. everyone else.
When another commenter insinuates that the ultra-rich are all Jewish anyway, wasthereadogwithyou replies that he thinks “white leadership is equally culpable in my eyes,” adding ominously: “Always kill a traitor first.”
Meanwhile, a commenter called asustime, who says he’s Asian, lambastes western “whyte society” for
falling for the jewmasters directive to treat the low IQ populations elevated above the asians. … in the west, the low IQ dumbsheeps are glorified while the true sustainers of civiliaztion as it currently operates on are shat on and given shit. pat your selfs on the backs dumb whytes. for falling to the jewish tricksters.
While comments like these, and others in the discussion, look a lot like the sorts of discussions you might have found in any of Reddit’s now-banned white supremacist/alt-right subreddits, or on a site like The Daily Stormer today, there are others in the thread challenging the explicit racism and antisemitism — though admittedly they’re getting downvoted, and called “cucks.”
Still, they’re not the only MGTOWs who are suspicious of the alt-right. Earlier this year I wrote about a strange little meme war going on between certain segments of the MGTOW movement and the alt-right. The alt-rightists were accusing MGTOWs of being tools of evil Jewish white-genociders who want to throw a wrench in white-baby production by avoiding marriage and women in general. The MGTOWs, meanwhile, accused the alt-rightists of being secret feminist “gynocrats” trying to bring men “back to the plantation” by pressuring them to marry white women and start pumping out babies.
While there are some on both sides of this, er, debate who will never see eye to eye, it’s striking how willing and even eager many MGTOWs are to accept frankly racist and antisemitic arguments these days.
It’s not clear to me how much this is the result of conscious recruitment efforts on the part of alt-rightists, or simply the result of the natural evolution of the already plenty hateful and reactionary MGTOW movement. But it’s clear that the ongoing convergence of the manosphere and the alt-right is showing no sign of stopping.
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That meme is hilarious when you consider the majority of white women voted republican.
But if all the “nice” white guys reject us for the soon to be widely available sexbots MGTOW talk about, won’t we be left with no choice but to date black and brown men? I mean, I thought that miggies didn’t want us anyway. So why do they care? They couldn’t possibly just be completely full of crap, could they?
asustime apparently doesn’t realise that not that long ago Asians were seen as evil invaders trying to destroy white civilisation, which often included the belief they were going to outbreed the “white race.” Now some racist types don’t see Asians as a threat because they assume Asian men are all effectively eunuchs who have no interest in sex with actual women, being either asexual or only interested in fictional characters. Not to mention those who fall for the old stereotypes of Asian women as submissives who will do whatever their men want, and believe that they haven’t been “ruined” by feminism, making them superior marriage material to Western women.
The Great Replacement? Which one: Bob, Tommy, Chris, or Paul?
@tim gueguen:
Funny, considering how many alt-reich types seem to have anime waifus, judging by their social media profiles.
@AsAboveSoBelow
But they’re doing it “ironically”, which makes it different. Somehow.
@Some incel-in-denial jackass:
Is this guy saying he’ll do…what the Muslim “invaders” won’t? And all just to punish women for voting the “wrong” way?
These guys are well and truly the Amurrican Taliban. They are indistinguishable from the terrorists they claim to be against, other than that those “terrorists” are largely boogymen, whereas these guys are all too real.
I just want to know where the boiled in oil part is coming from. It’s been a long time since I read any of the Koran, and I never got past the first few chapters, but I don’t really remember that part. Leaving the logistics aside, what would the purpose be? To sterilize it for the next rapist? Or is it that rape threats are so ordinary this guy realizes he has to threaten something extra to make himself memorable?
Not to mention, is he growing a beard and carrying a Koran around because he thinks that will let him get away with rape, or because a white Christian raping a woman will show that woman that brown Muslims will rape her or something? Or is he actually planning to convert, because he thinks becoming a Muslim will give him a license to rape, in which case… isn’t that exactly what these people are normally whining about?
I know one shouldn’t try to find logic in all this, but it is always fun to see their boneheadedness come smashing into itself. “Evil misogynist Muslims are coming to rape our women! I’m gonna become one because only Muslims get to treat wimminz the way they ought to be treated!” Make up your minds, people.
You know what? I actually agree with this. Useless fratboy dumbshits like Trump and Kavanaugh get elevated to the highest office, while the people who actually make the world run – the cooks, cleaners, pickers, drivers, servers, clerks, cashiers, teachers, nurses, caregivers – are paid crap wages and disrespected.
Determining which group is largely white men and which group is largely women and immigrants is an exercise left to the reader.
So close. SOOOO close. (But then they have to go and bring Jews into it, as usual)
And are you also intending to give up alcohol, pork, and non-halal meat, fast during Ramadan, pray towards Mecca five times a day, aid the oppressed, and devote part of your wealth to Zakah, because
MGTOW. Urghhhhh. Just makes me want to full on vomit.
Theres insecure young men out there who wont find romance and MGTOW just radicalizes them to make them believe that there is something wrong and evil about all women (not just some women, ALLL WOMENNN) who turn them down.
Those insecure young men then become women-hating and bitter as they become older, narrow minded, and narrow viewed. The effect that older MGTOWS have on younger men cant go unstated. Its sad. As a guy myself Its heartbreaking to see these MGTOWs controlling these young men (aged 18-22) and manipulating them into thinking women are all evil/out there to get you
Would it be captious criticism to point out that non-Christian brown people inhabited America to begin with?
If only we COULD organize a massive covert effort to replace them… but we wouldn’t need to if they weren’t all dangerous shitheads.
Women aren’t the reason women don’t want them. Brown men aren’t the reason women don’t want them. The fact that they are universally, proudly, defiantly awful is reason enough.
Manosphere and Alt-Right convergence? Is this some kind of weird plot, where David Duke is going to absorb the Maelstorm of energy that ensued to regain his power? (sorry to everyone, but I couldn’t passed that reference)
To be fair, I’d be quite happy to see these guys replaced with practically anything – capybaras, old office furniture, some kind of mollusc, what-have-you…
I wanna apologize on behalf of Europe, cos I’m pretty sure we’re the ones came up with “Great Replacement”. That bullshit has actually been spewed for so long in France it basically gets the exact same eyerolls “White Genocide” gets over in the US – or the exact same cheers when applicable.
And if you spot anything in the lines of “Convenience Abortion”, I apologize again. Those two are basically Marine Le Pen’s entire playbook.
Money, metal weapons and church are the worst catastrophes….
White men’s fear is immediately in line.
I challenged some people I do volunteer with…. They were uncomfortable with the idea that whites, particularly white men, have an ingrained social privilege….
So I challenged them to tell me a funny joke about white men (that doesn’t involve sexual inadequacy or limited basketball skills)….
Of course, I can tell a BUNCH… but they don’t think mine are funny 🙁
I am old enough to remember grandparents having similar laments about the bad effects immigrants were having on society and the gene pool. Poles and Italians being the immigrants in question. And I’m sure in another 50-100 years some descendants of todays immigrants will be complaining about whatever group is currently migrating to the U.S. Assuming things haven’t totally collapsed by then.
Just pointing out how fractally un-self-aware these various strains of MRA are. But I guess we already knew that.
@heebee
I’m pretty sure all these guys already thought this way, or at least wanted to, so I wouldn’t say they are being controlled or manipulated, only being told what they want to hear. They deserve no sympathy for choosing to side with this crowd, their beliefs are fully their own responsibility. Unfulfilled male entitlement always leads to misogyny because it’s easier than accepting blame for your own failures. Trust me, I should know, nobody has ever loved me either and I struggle daily to maintain my sanity, but not only did I never fall into the manosphere rabbit-hole, I went in the exact opposite direction. Accepting that I don’t deserve anything and nobody is to blame for my situation but me isn’t fun, but it’s the truth, and I choose to accept it. They choose to live in denial, bitter entitled denial, and they chose that BEFORE they dove into the MGTOW cesspool.
@Ariblester:
Huh, wouldnta guessed that the men who claim not to care about women anymore suddenly really care about women when their sexual anxieties are suddenly sent into overdrive.
Another thing from that wonderful Chapo interview with Contrapoints was that a lot of these guys give away so much of who they are and what their hidden desires are with these memes and personas that they create. I mean, I kinda do it too with this whole “Katamount” fursona, but I tend to be very cagey with it. Probably more can be gleaned from my individual characters (as they each kinda represent an aspect of me). The anxious one. The goofy one. The lustful one. The cheerful brainy one. The wistful one. The protective one. And so on.
But what does it say when your social media persona is tuxedoed Slender Man and all you do is fret about immigrants, women and cuckholdry all day? I’ll bet they have some fascinating browser history.
@ Full Metal Ox:
As Bob Dylan said,
“The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.”
@ Rei
I’d go with that first option in a heartbeat.
Yeah, that checks out. Definitely explains why China has the highest population in the world.
So, women were given – no, I’ve had it pointed out to me that that’s wrong, women gained – the right to vote and be elected on the 12th of November, 1918, in Germany. That’s what they’re bringing up with their little Giggles for Goebbels comic strip up there, right? Germany? Hence the Merkel head?
And the “Great Replacement” is currently happening. (I know. It’s not happening. It’s not a thing. But I’m following them on this one.) It’s not done. It’s in process.
Women’s suffrage directly led to this AND IT’S TAKEN MORE THAN A HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS?
This suggests that maybe that argument is bullshit!
Agreed Dr Thang
But MGTOW just offers no hope for young undateable men, who are insecure and negative about women. No sympathy but boys need to be told the harsh truth , not just what they want to hear. Boys need to be taught responsibility, that no one owes them anything, that there ISNT always someone for everyone, that life can be tough, that rejection will happen
MGTOW teaches the opposite of that and literally shields men from self improvement and criticism
I am absolutely loving everything about the giant floating Angela Merkel head.
The only thing which would make it even more perfect is if she was saying “SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT”