By David Futrelle
So the bad news is that Jordan Peterson seems to have discovered the NPC meme, and it’s managed to burrow its way into his unconsciousness.
Peterson is currently on an 85-city tour world tour, and he’s been writing a sort of intermittent tour diary for Canada’s National Post. One recent entry in the series, posted earlier this month, offers a self-portrait of a man on the edge. Possibly on the edge of the toilet, attempting to dislodge whatever it is that forms in one’s bowels when one literally eats nothing but beef and salt and water for months on end. (Dr. Peterson, decidedly not a medical doctor, claims to have gone on the diet to counteract some sort of autoimmune disorder; there is no evidence that all-beef diets help with autoimmune disorders or indeed with much of anything.)
The title of the piece gives a pretty good indication as to his mood: “It’s 2:39 a.m. in Oslo and this irritating man has pushed me too far.” Like Gregor Samsa in Kafka’s Metamorphosis, Peterson begins his tale by describing himself awakening from an uneasy dream; alas, he has not been transformed into a giant cockroach, but remains Jordan Peterson.
The dream seems a fairly straightforward wish fullfillment dream, which involves Peterson beating the crap out of someone asking him a bunch of questions:
In my dream, I wrestled my opponent to the ground. He was still talking, mindlessly, mechanically, rapidly, nonstop. I bent his wrists to force his knuckles into his mouth. His arms bent like rubber and, even though I managed the task, he did not stop babbling. I woke up. 2:39 in Oslo. I’m not in good spirits.
The man in the dream is a fairly transparent stand-in for the “irritating man” of the piece’s headline, a French journalist who had flown to Rochester, New York and then to Oslo to interview him. Peterson didn’t much enjoy the interview, largely because the interviewer kept asking questions, as interviewers are wont to do.
Peterson attempted to explain to this poor fellow his theory about why young men are so angry today, which in his mind has to do with evil feminists telling them that all men are bad. And also that competence is bad.
I told him that young men are … faced with a Devil’s choice: if they are ambitious and competent (or even not ambitious or competent) then they will be treated, not least by themselves, as if they are expressing precisely the traits that produced this terrible [patriarchal] tyranny, and are no better than the infinite oppressors of the past. This happens because it has become acceptable in our time to put forward a version of history, the present and the future that is based on a deep hatred for men (or, even worse, a deep hatred for competence).
Peterson was evidently quite astonished and offended that even after he explained all this to the journalist he still had questions, possibly because nothing Peterson says ever makes any goddamned sense.
He had brought a list of pre-prepared questions, “hard questions,” as he considered them, and did not have the confidence in his own desperation and curiosity to pursue the question that was actually guiding him. He considered himself a liberal, meaning someone attracted by the more radical end of the left, and the story I was telling him was simply not comprehensible: not without the demolition of his entire manner of looking at the world. So he did not have the ears to hear, and actually repeated the question three more times. I gave the same answer each time, to no avail.
After the interview was over, Peterson returned to his hotel room, promptly deciding that the interviewer in question was basically an ideological automaton — that is, what many of his fans (and quite a few Twitter trolls) would call an NPC, the human equivalent of a Non-Player Character in a video game programmed with a limited set of prepackaged responses.
I hadn’t spent two hours talking to a person. The person wasn’t there, or was barely there (even though the journalist had the makings, I would say, of a fine young man). I couldn’t reach him. Instead, I had a very irritating discussion with an ideologically possessed puppet and that was both too familiar and too unpleasant.
And so Peterson went to bed that evening convinced there was nothing wrong with any of his answers; the real problem was that he was talking to a robot man. And then he had a dream about beating up that robot man as he “mindlessly, mechanically” babbled on.
This isn’t the first time Peterson has dismissed an interviewer as a sort of NPC. He did the same during his recent interview with Helen Lewis for the UK edition of GQ. “I could replace you with someone else who thinks the same way,” he told her.
That’s the pathology of ideological possession. It’s not good and it’s not good that I know where you stand on things once I know a few things [about you].
Lewis responded to this by proving that his assumptions about at least some of what she believes were dead wrong (as you can see if you keep watching the full video). But he clearly learned nothing from being shown up in this way. Peterson seems to have grabbed onto the NPC idea too tightly to give it up.
Needless to say, many of his fans have picked up on this, and they’re delighted. We can probably expect an entire new genre of YouTube video, featuring Jordan Peterson (allegedly) DESTROYING one (alleged) NPC feminist after another. And there will be memes. Of course there will be memes. Because the people who like to call other people NPC robot monsters tend to be just a teensy bit predictable.
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@Ooglyboggles
Hey now, some of us have broke brains and manage not to be turd muffins like Jordie. ?
And yet the other person in the interaction is allegedly the NPC…
Pro tip: If the journalist/interviewer keeps asking you the same question it means that you’re not answering the question.
A beautiful example of this happened when the news host of the Austrian Broadcasting Network (ORF) interviewed Frank Stronach, a Austro-Canadian industrial who wanted to get into Austrian politics.
The host kept saying variations of: ‘That is not what I asked. I asked $question.’
And I’m pretty sure Lobsterman wouldn’t recognize brevity, conciseness and sense if they were dancing in front of him naked.
It’s particularly funny since, in Canada, where Peterson is (shamefully) from, the Liberal party isn’t even a leftist party. It’s a centrist party, through and through. The NDP are the ones that lean left.
@Klew:
If you find that other people are saying the same things to you over and over, it’s probably because your opinions are so dull and inane that there are only a limited number of ways to respond. And because you’re too arrogant to understand the purpose of basic social interactions.
“Hello.”
“Hi.”
“Ugh, so predictable.”
It’s fascinating how the NPCs have seemingly all been programmed to question the system in various ways, while the supposedly “real” freethinkers are the ones militantly defending the status quo and trying to convince everyone to stick to their evolutionary programming. You’d think it would be the opposite.
Another thing that just came to mind.
Where I’m from liberal means what libertarian means in the US.
Laissez faire capitalism and everything.
And while there are left libertarians I’ve only ever heard of right libertarians…
Oops, I ran out of time to edit. Here’s the link to the original:
http://www.canadalandshow.com/how-jordan-petersons-fame-affected-his-private-practice/
It fascinates me to know that the NPC meme is basically a manifested variation of the strawman fallacy to the Nth degree. And they’ve so heartily embraced it, not as the fallacy it is, but as their idealized reality.
This man definitely needs some fiber in his diet, because he’s just that full of excrement.
I’m not at all surprised that Peterson has so little self-awareness that he shared this laughable fantasy without realizing how pathetic it makes him look. Especially considering the convenient strawman in his dream didn’t actually come off that bad, considering he drove Peterson to physically attacking him unprovoked with his questions but still couldn’t be silenced. To be honest, the “robot” sounded pretty badass to me, he kept holding Peterson accountable even while the fake intellectual was trying to bully him into shutting up. This dream speaks volumes about Peterson, and not in the way he intended. It shows how constantly distressed he is over his views being challenged, of people confronting him with questions he doesn’t have good enough answers to. He obviously thinks his theories are undeniable proven facts, so people having alternate theories, as he would put it, demolishes his entire manner of looking at the world.
Edited for obvious joke.
All-beef diets do not help with autoimmune disorders. Nothing does, except modern medicine. We are very lucky to live in an era when science has provided us with drugs which stave off such crippling illnesses; I have an autoimmune disease and if it had been allowed to progress naturally I would be in a pretty bad place physically by now. As it is, my quality of life is excellent and I have science to thank for that.
It upsets me profoundly when people bang on about “natural” cures and the evils of modern medicine. I don’t particularly care what happens to Jordan Peterson, but the idea that some deluded fanboy might drop his arthritis medication regime in favour of an all-beef diet – and end up in a wheelchair as a result – makes me nearly as cross as it does when people talk about how they cured their cancer with this one weird trick; or how weight, diet and type 2 diabetes are not related, it’s a big medical lie by doctors, no need to diet, you’ll be fine (I’ve actually seen this a couple of times and it makes me want to cry for the people who believe it)
I don’t think it’s too extreme to say claims like that can amount to murder.
As someone with an autoimmune disease, I can say that eating nothing but beef is *not* recommended. While dietary advice for managing autoimmune conditions isn’t universally agreed, a ‘Mediterranean diet’ (based on whole grains, fruit and vegetables, and fish) is most commonly recommended. Red meat is a food that promotes inflammation in the body and so is best in moderation. Eating a lot of red meat is a risk factor for developing autoimmune disease in the first place.
@ Violet
Can you blame them though? Given how doctors do attribute literally every medical issue to weight if you’re big enough, and don’t test or treat you properly.
Honestly I’m not even so sure the people who live by this really believe it, it just doesn’t matter to them anymore and this way they get to at least feel a little better about it. Medicine has failed them completely by telling them to diet and lose weight, making health a matter of morality, and completely failing to address how difficult, impossible and unhealthy it is to some.
I love how David lampoons this man so perfectly. He really just talks in ridiculous circles and anyone who disagrees is dehumanized instantly.
How is he so popular? I had a row with my sibling about him as they find him “such great counter culture” and a voice for people without voices ?. Since when have wealthy, white, middle aged men ever been the voiceless ones?!
Peterson logic:
Journalist does job = must be a character defect.
Sorry, WHO is against competence?
Peterson reminds me of Ayn Rand, whose heroes saw the masses as bland, practically faceless lumps, unlike the angular fellow super-elites destined to be true companions. Rand, too, was surprised at people who wanted to engage her over her ideas, as opposed to just sitting at her feet, listening to her lecture, and then praising her ideas and how she expressed them.
Is the beef thing connected to the apple juice thing?
@ Citerior Motive
Re: Apple juice. I have no idea, but at least fresh apple juice should, I hope, have some vitamin content.
Re vitamins – nope. JBP claims that he doesn’t take any supplements, as that would be cheating.
I found it hilarious when his daughter was asked if she drank water at dinner parties, and she responded that no, she drank bourbon. Someone who is so sensitive to different foods that she has to subsist on beef and water can happily drink … bourbon.
@calmdown,
No, of course not! That’s terrible.
He imagined throwing the child thirty feet across the playground.
Not without accepting Peterson into his heart as his all-knowing, unquestionable lord and saviour
@Dr. Thang:
Nay, hethan, ye shall have no other gods before Peterson.
@Mish:
So… he fantasises about being a supervillain, with superhuman strength? I think that’s something I would keep secret.
He really is a special sort of stupid, isn’t he.
Of course he wouldn’t morph into a giant cockroach… he already is one!
So, having added “food” to the long list of things JP doesn’t understand, I believe we can safely add “interviews” as well.
Something it seems he does understand, unfortunately, is that by getting his followers to parot ludicrous claims, he can further isolate and radicalize them.