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Jordan Peterson seems to have discovered the NPC meme, and now thinks everyone who disagrees with him is basically a robot

Jordan Peterson’s unconscious (artist’s conception)

By David Futrelle

So the bad news is that Jordan Peterson seems to have discovered the NPC meme, and it’s managed to burrow its way into his unconsciousness.

Peterson is currently on an 85-city tour world tour, and he’s been writing a sort of intermittent tour diary for Canada’s National Post. One recent entry in the series, posted earlier this month, offers a self-portrait of a man on the edge. Possibly on the edge of the toilet, attempting to dislodge whatever it is that forms in one’s bowels when one literally eats nothing but beef and salt and water for months on end. (Dr. Peterson, decidedly not a medical doctor, claims to have gone on the diet to counteract some sort of autoimmune disorder; there is no evidence that all-beef diets help with autoimmune disorders or indeed with much of anything.)

The title of the piece gives a pretty good indication as to his mood: “It’s 2:39 a.m. in Oslo and this irritating man has pushed me too far.” Like Gregor Samsa in Kafka’s Metamorphosis, Peterson begins his tale by describing himself awakening from an uneasy dream; alas, he has not been transformed into a giant cockroach, but remains Jordan Peterson.

The dream seems a fairly straightforward wish fullfillment dream, which involves Peterson beating the crap out of someone asking him a bunch of questions:

In my dream, I wrestled my opponent to the ground. He was still talking, mindlessly, mechanically, rapidly, nonstop. I bent his wrists to force his knuckles into his mouth. His arms bent like rubber and, even though I managed the task, he did not stop babbling. I woke up. 2:39 in Oslo. I’m not in good spirits.

The man in the dream is a fairly transparent stand-in for the “irritating man” of the piece’s headline, a French journalist who had flown to Rochester, New York and then to Oslo to interview him. Peterson didn’t much enjoy the interview, largely because the interviewer kept asking questions, as interviewers are wont to do.

Peterson attempted to explain to this poor fellow his theory about why young men are so angry today, which in his mind has to do with evil feminists telling them that all men are bad. And also that competence is bad.

I told him that young men are … faced with a Devil’s choice: if they are ambitious and competent (or even not ambitious or competent) then they will be treated, not least by themselves, as if they are expressing precisely the traits that produced this terrible [patriarchal] tyranny, and are no better than the infinite oppressors of the past. This happens because it has become acceptable in our time to put forward a version of history, the present and the future that is based on a deep hatred for men (or, even worse, a deep hatred for competence).

Peterson was evidently quite astonished and offended that even after he explained all this to the journalist he still had questions, possibly because nothing Peterson says ever makes any goddamned sense.

He had brought a list of pre-prepared questions, “hard questions,” as he considered them, and did not have the confidence in his own desperation and curiosity to pursue the question that was actually guiding him. He considered himself a liberal, meaning someone attracted by the more radical end of the left, and the story I was telling him was simply not comprehensible: not without the demolition of his entire manner of looking at the world. So he did not have the ears to hear, and actually repeated the question three more times. I gave the same answer each time, to no avail.

After the interview was over, Peterson returned to his hotel room, promptly deciding that the interviewer in question was basically an ideological automaton — that is, what many of his fans (and quite a few Twitter trolls) would call an NPC, the human equivalent of a Non-Player Character in a video game programmed with a limited set of prepackaged responses.

I hadn’t spent two hours talking to a person. The person wasn’t there, or was barely there (even though the journalist had the makings, I would say, of a fine young man). I couldn’t reach him. Instead, I had a very irritating discussion with an ideologically possessed puppet and that was both too familiar and too unpleasant.

And so Peterson went to bed that evening convinced there was nothing wrong with any of his answers; the real problem was that he was talking to a robot man. And then he had a dream about beating up that robot man as he “mindlessly, mechanically” babbled on.

This isn’t the first time Peterson has dismissed an interviewer as a sort of NPC. He did the same during his recent interview with Helen Lewis for the UK edition of GQ. “I could replace you with someone else who thinks the same way,” he told her.

That’s the pathology of ideological possession. It’s not good and it’s not good that I know where you stand on things once I know a few things [about you]. 

Lewis responded to this by proving that his assumptions about at least some of what she believes were dead wrong (as you can see if you keep watching the full video). But he clearly learned nothing from being shown up in this way. Peterson seems to have grabbed onto the NPC idea too tightly to give it up.

Needless to say, many of his fans have picked up on this, and they’re delighted. We can probably expect an entire new genre of YouTube video, featuring Jordan Peterson (allegedly) DESTROYING one (alleged) NPC feminist after another. And there will be memes. Of course there will be memes. Because the people who like to call other people NPC robot monsters tend to be just a teensy bit predictable. 

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calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

This guy fantasizes about violence a lot. Didn’t he imagine kicking a child at a playground?

Fujimoto
Fujimoto
6 years ago

Funny how Peterson can only repeat the same shit over and over and still think he isn’t ideological.

He considered himself a liberal, meaning someone attracted by the more radical end of the left,

BWA HA HA!

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Dehumanisation as an excuse for violence. Lovely. I can’t see any possible way that could end badly.

He considered himself a liberal, meaning someone attracted by the more radical end of the left

That’s… not what liberal means. Does Peterson believe that, say, Trotskyists are liberal?

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
6 years ago

Has the interview been published anywhere? I’d love to see the journalist’s POV on this.

Vince
Vince
6 years ago

Lol Jesus Christ. Does he not realize how ludicrously hypocritical he is? If you believe that literally every person who isn’t aligned with you are fungible, then you are not a critical thinker, and quite possibly a pretty shitty human being.

Also, of particular laughability is that he thinks “liberal” means the most extreme end of leftism? What the fuck? How fucking politically illiterate do you have to be to say that. You don’t even have to be on the left to be a liberal lol.

TheKND
TheKND
6 years ago

In Peterson land, liberals are radical leftists and people not agreeing with you after an interview are mindless automatons and not… humans who have their own thought processes.
God, what a sad narcissist. “I can’t shape him in an afternoon… SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PERSON!”
As for his violent fantasies… that’s really nothing new. The man is constantly hinting at his violent tendencies. I just hope that all the meat has left his so weak, he won’t ever hurt anyone with his noodle arms.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

This whole thing sounds like shameless pandering. He’s smart enough to know that what he’s written there is bullshit, but it’s bullshit which many of his followers already believe, and he knows what his audience wants.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

http://cybercomicsandtoys.com/images/comics/31/Magnus%20Robot%20Fighter%20(Gold%20Key)%204%20(No%20Ad%20Variant)-GVG.JPG

Starring Jordan Peterson as… MAGNUT… ROBOT BITER!!

apologies to Marvel Comix (Not Brand Eccchs) for appropriating their satire, and to all for the ableism

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

@ David:

… there is no evidence…

… have you learned nothing of the gullibility of the igno-right…?

Framboise
Framboise
6 years ago

It’s literally not that surprising that Jordan Peterson is like this anyway, I mean, fantasizing about beating up someone(a well intentioned journalist) who keeps asking you questions while posing yourself as a philosopher and someone engaged in *~*~*~*RATIONAL DEBATE*~*~*~*(amongst other dreadful and fucking disgusting things), it’s not going to look good for his image, but it’s not like it’s going to matter to his followers, appreciators and fans, old and new anyways.

Also, why the fuck do mainstream news platforms want to keep giving him a platform and to keep bringing him on? It’s not even about “freedom of speech/free speech!!!!” or “opinions!!!!!” or “let’s hear about the other side!!!!!!!”, it’s about making his ideology spread like wildfire at this point. It’s fucking disgusting and dreadful and awful and terrible all at the same fucking time, oh my fucking god this is fucking horrible. Sorry if I’ve used “fuck” and “fucking” too many times. I just wanted to express my disgust and distaste for undercover fascists and right-wingers.

otrame
otrame
6 years ago

If he doesn’t add vitamins to his diet he’s going to get very sick.

I suppose he’s lying about it. If not, somebody needs to tell him that scurvy is a thing.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ framboise

why…want to keep giving him a platform

I can hazard a guess.
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Klew
Klew
6 years ago

Instead, I had a very irritating discussion with an ideologically possessed puppet and that was both too familiar and too unpleasant.

Isn’t Peterson also an “ideologically possessed puppet”?

vaiyt
6 years ago

Peterson is a crank, and like every crank he’s convinced (or works hard in convincing his marks) that everyone who disagrees with him lacks true consciousness.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

@vaiyt
Yep. Not so good news to hear for me is that he has that many bookings?! Wow makes a heartless one want to get in on that right wing welfare.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Like Gregor Samsa in Kafka’s Metamorphosis, Peterson begins his tale by describing himself awakening from an uneasy dream; alas, he has not been transformed into a giant cockroach, but remains Jordan Peterson.

This made me giggle, thank you!

Although maybe you’re a robot programmed with a set of literary references to appeal to your mindless yet nerdy ideological followers. Hmm…

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
6 years ago

How the fucking hell does this guy have tenure?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Plot twist: Jordy Petey-pie and all his followers are the real NPCs.

I mean, could you possibly dig up a more robotic droning speaker, or a more robotic, droney bunch of followers? It’s like all of them are just terminals hooked into the same boring-ass mainframe, and it’s programmed with bad interpretations of Jung and evolutionary biology, to boot.

Also, his projection of his own blabby, obnoxious character onto that undoubtedly lovely French journo just makes me laugh and laugh. One doesn’t even have to be a shrink to know the proper interpretation of THAT dream.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
6 years ago

@Jesalin:

There was a story explaining that in the Star a few months back, that was basically one long mea culpa from the guy who hired him. Apparently he wasn’t as noticeably weird at the time.

@otrame:

If he doesn’t add vitamins to his diet he’s going to get very sick.

I suppose he’s lying about it. If not, somebody needs to tell him that scurvy is a thing.

Proposition: he’s taking a whole bunch of vitamin pills as well.

However, those being pills, they don’t count as food. Therefore, if he’s caught, we’ve all been ignoring the context and didn’t interpret him properly. He’s talking about his diet, not about every single thing he’s ingested. So technically, it’s all our fault for not understanding his very very clear statements that are logical and rational and clear.

epronovost
epronovost
6 years ago

“I could replace you with someone else who thinks the same way”

What a fantastic tautology. Of course, if you replace someone in a political debate with someone else with the exact same ideology, beliefs and knowledge of the issue, you won’t see much of a difference. That’s what identical (or near identical) means. In the same way Jordan Peterson could be replaced by throng of thinker of the same style and beliefs. Are we supposed to think tautologies are the epidemy of cleverness now?

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

@Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Hell if I know, maybe he kept his broke brain from leaking long enough to get it.

Mayu Kitsune
Mayu Kitsune
6 years ago

God I cant get over that Lobster man might actually be so dumb or so reactionary he thinks the liberals are on the same level of radicalness as fucking communists

Carlo
Carlo
6 years ago

To be fair (not that Peterson deserves it, mind you), assuming he’s not lying through his teeth it does seem like they’re both more interested in talking AT each other than engaging in real debate. The sad fact is that most people on both the left and right always fall back on the same old tired buzzwords because they’re just too lazy to think for themselves, and/or because they have other things they’d rather spend their cognitive energy on.

And before anybody accuses me of spewing some spineless centrist crap about “both sides being equally bad”, I’d just like to point out that I’d still prefer a soulless automaton that spouts tired platitudes about tolerance it never really believed in to one making disgusting noises about committing genocide or treating women as property.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

He may be taking vitamin pills, but methinks he needs laxatives as well.

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