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Vote like your life depends on it, because it does: Election Day Open Thread

We need to do more than vote, but we definitely need to vote

By David Futrelle

If you haven’t already, GO VOTE and then come back to enjoy(?) this open thread. Tell us how it went. Talk about any shady sit the GOP tries to pull today. Discuss the results as they come in. Talk about your hobbies. Post pictures of animals. Post videos. Whatever it takes to get through this incredibly nerve-wracking day.

No trolls.

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Jo
Jo
2 years ago

So we need to be ready for every ‘bad’ thing to be the fault of Congress from now on. They no longer will have to invoke the ‘deep state’ as a reason why a party in pretty much absolute control isn’t delivering what it promised.

And expect the next few days to involve lots of attempts to talk about absolutely anything else other than ‘Trump lost the GOP Congress’. Don’t let them set the topic.

TreePerson
TreePerson
2 years ago

One of our local people won which should be good for the county but marsha fucking blackburn went to the senate,
I saw one of her ads last night and it was horribly racist shit about the caravan being full terrorists.

In other news this was pretty funny https://www.themarysue.com/superheroes-and-villains-at-the-polls/

The Phantom Cheese, Soyfatted Manboobed Weepy Feminist Numale
The Phantom Cheese, Soyfatted Manboobed Weepy Feminist Numale
2 years ago

Bad news- voter ID passed in North Carolina.

Melissia
Melissia
2 years ago

O’Rourke didn’t win, but his campaign pushed several close races to the D category here in Texas, so I’m thankful for all his efforts anyway.

Red R. Lion
Red R. Lion
2 years ago

@WWTH

Now Limbaugh’s reasoning was, look, if you’re demanding that the taxpayers pay for your contraception, you must use a lot of them…

0_0

No matter how many times I read this it still amazes me that these idiots think they have the MOST IMPORTANT opinions on hormonal contraception when they don’t even have the foggiest idea of how it works.

Patty Thinkerer
Patty Thinkerer
2 years ago

@Melissia

Yep yep! Texas is looking purpler every year.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago
K.
K.
2 years ago

And Ohio has a new fascist as governor. Fuck.

Brandy
Brandy
2 years ago

@TreePerson

Hello fellow TN person. Marsha is a nightmare and those ads were infowars level bullshit. There was some good news nationwide, but TN remains as conservative as ever.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

Some of you must feel like this after the past 36 hours.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
2 years ago

I woke up to see that Rohrbacher and Scott Walker and Dean Heller are gone. Nice!

In not so good news, my bus is super late. 5 years ago, buses running so late was an occasional thing. In the two months I’ve had this job, I’ve been late to work four times. Even though I always leave earlier than the than the trip planner tells me so that I will be ok if they are 15 minutes behind.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

I’m gonna second what SFHC said here:

Does this mean we can finally stop with the doom-and-gloom nonsense? I mean, healthy cynicism is one thing (hell, it’s my superpower), but the whole “Why even try” tone around here lately’s been driving me up the fucking wall.

Seriously, just observing the results from a province currently run by Crack Mayor’s Brother, last night’s results, while expected, are far from small potatoes. I actually found it surprising that people were investing so much emotional and mental energy into these long-shot races in Texas, Florida and Georgia.

Folks, the Democratic Party–milquetoast and knock-kneed (read: white) as it is at the best of times–managed to flip the House of Representatives facing about five different headwinds. Historically poor turnount in midterms. Voter Suppression. Gerrymandering. An activated and fearful opposition. A strong economy! The economy isn’t faltering and the Republicans STILL couldn’t hold on to their House majority. That’s a sign that there’s still plenty of people that understand the stakes involved here and I’d stay still a majority of Americans.

This was the best Republicans could do short of re-introducing Jim Crow laws. The only reason they have the Senate is their favourable map.

The Blue Wave was quite real and did what it had to do. There’s a brake now on all the hideous crap the Republicans are up to. Let Trump complain all he wants. I’m going to enjoy seeing his minions and family members dragged in front of House committees. That’s the big get. I hear they’re already prepared to subpoena Trump’s tax returns. There’s going to be a lot of juicy stuff in there.

We’ve got our beachhead. Now to build up and push on.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

Hi all!

I didn’t have the wherewithal to be online last night to follow along with you, but I was very much here in spirit. Was talking with a friend who was all “this is not a blue wave, Jake Tapper just flat out said ‘this is not a blue wave'” and I wanted to smack him. Jake Tapper that is, my friend has better reasons for saying something so dumb.

Before the election, they tallied the swing needed to flip the house based on the current voting districts (counties? we call them ridings, here). It was right on the cusp of what the polling was showing for the Democrats, nationally. Very much within the margin of error whether the D’s would take the house.

But then they mapped the same results to the pre-2010 voting districts, and it was obscene. The modern dems needed more than three times the margin today as they did back then. Closer to 4 times.

Fuck you, Jake Tapper! In the face of that, in the face of the voter suppression, cheating, oppressive voter ID laws, and outright autocratic decrees (lookin at you fuckin’ Kemp), the forces of good planted their feet, put their shoulders in and pushed.

Did more than just squeak through, too. So many little victories all over the place. Sure, some authoritarian swagger-sticks flopped over the finish line like the dead fish they are, but that’s inevitable in a system that’s designed to catapult them over the finish line.

So fuckin’ proud of each and every one of you right now. And you should be too.

Let’s keep it up! Don’t sit on your asses for Mueller to fix it or for the House to impeach – that ain’t happening. Victory in the USA is going to be in 2020 and 2022. Victory everywhere else is going to look pretty similar, too. Keep pushing.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
2 years ago

@Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie,

There’s actually two Musim women that were elected last night. One of Palestinian descent, one a Somali refugee:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/06/politics/first-muslim-women-congress/index.html

They can now join the two Muslim guys already there to get things to change for the better.

And can I say I also hope things can start going back to ‘normal’ around here for a while. There’s a minor situation at one of my workplaces that I want to vent about / get advice on, but virtually all the open threads lately have been so much about the current state of the world that it seemed like my problems are far too minor to even contemplate bringing up, if that makes sense.

Don’t mean to guilt trip anyone here, since the state of the world is important. Just that I want to (eventually) gripe about a comparatively minor problem in my life.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

It actually feels like we have a snowball’s chance in Hell now. It hasn’t felt that way for 3 years.

<3

TBH I'm astonished we got such good results and turnout on Q3 in MA, I fully expected a landslide defeat from divide-and-conquer tactics and liberals being transphobic. Even given that Yes interests spent like 6x as much as No interests. IDK, when you grow up with betrayal you come to expect it from every corner.

But: yesterday the vote, tomorrow the revolution. <3

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
2 years ago

Does this mean we can finally stop with the doom-and-gloom nonsense? I mean, healthy cynicism is one thing (hell, it’s my superpower), but the whole “Why even try” tone around here lately’s been driving me up the fucking wall.

Last time I tried, I got (F) bombed.

“Over the last three weeks, I have shared sexually explicit images and a video of myself to someone who I believed was a consenting female recipient. The recipient was, in fact, an individual or party who targeted me for the purpose of financial extortion,” Clement said in a statement.

Bullshit.

Yamara
2 years ago

@Jo

And expect the next few days to involve lots of attempts to talk about absolutely anything else other than ‘Trump lost the GOP Congress’. Don’t let them set the topic.

This Twitter thread should help. The phrase “Trump-backed loser” needs to be a thing:

Trump has endorsed 11 Republicans running for Governor, 31 House candidates and 13 Senate candidates and I've screenshot every one of them and will let him know every one that loses.— Ally Maynard (@missmayn) November 7, 2018

https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
2 years ago

Well, fucking Hunter still won last night, which is irritating. On the other hand, apparently not by much (considering CA-50 is apparently a little chunk of Mississippi in California, political balance-wise), and he’s still under indictment, so I’ll swallow it.

The outside surge of hope makes it sit a little easier, though. Now to cross my fingers and hope being convicted means he loses the job.

shartheheretic
shartheheretic
2 years ago

I had convinced myself that even Florida wouldn’t elect someone as vapid, clueless, and racist as DeSantis. I was wrong. I’m trying not to be depressed about it, but it’s really hard not to be.

Gillum would have been a fantastic governor. Expanding Medicare and setting up a state healthcare exchange would have really helped me and numerous other small biz owners. Now we have to be concerned that the repubs will continue to try to make the medical marijuana law impossible to comply with…and there goes the last chance I have to get treatment for my pain issues.

I’m seriously considering moving back to Michigan. They elected a female dem for governor, multiple women in other seats, a Muslim woman, and they legalized recreational marijuana. I never thought that they would be moving in the right direction sooner than Florida, but here we are.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Yamara:
Many years ago (late 1980s), in British Columbia, the premier was a man by the name of Bill Vander Zalm. He got into office purely because he was of the same party as the previous apparently-successful premier (the numerous chickens hadn’t come home to roost yet). Even before he was elected, his previous history of idiocy had led to a political cartoon in the local paper with a cartoonist sitting at his easel, hands clasped in prayer, saying how all the cartoonists would be ever so happy if Vander Zalm won.

By near the end of his time as premier, he was so toxic that whenever he pledged his personal support to someone running in a by-election, that person’s polling numbers immediately dropped several points. He was literally being begged by his own party to shut up (yet didn’t), and ended up being something like the second person in Canadian political history to be actively ousted by his own party.

(The fact that people were listening to him later on when he started the whole anti-HST campaign is a perfect example of just how short some people’s memories are.)

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

@Jesalin

“Over the last three weeks, I have shared sexually explicit images and a video of myself to someone who I believed was a consenting female recipient. The recipient was, in fact, an individual or party who targeted me for the purpose of financial extortion,” Clement said in a statement.

Yup, “bullshit” is right. And you can already hear the sputtering of Tory supporters saying “B-b-but Trudeau is a groper!” Yeah, 28-year-old Trudeau kinda sounds like an asshole, and I do have my eye on him, but patriarchy isn’t baked into the Liberal identity in the same way it is the Conservative identity. It’s still there, mind you, but not as virulent.

To say nothing of Ford’s cabinet shuffle. I knew the minute they said Jim Wilson was going to rehab that it was something serious. That kind of news doesn’t drop on a Friday afternoon unless you don’t want it broadcast.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2 years ago

@Jo

So basically the same stuff we saw back during the Obama administration but with the parties flipped, then.

While the blue wave in retrospect was more or less wishful thinking (at least, in the extent its effects were supposed to have), the end result was still better than I had personally expected. We shall see what comes of it and hope for the best until then.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

“Governor Kelly”… “Governor Kelly

damn, that sounds SO MUCH BETTER than “governor Kobaaaauuuggghhhhhhh”

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and from right next door, here is a U.S. House district map from Missouri… note the cozy, intimate… almost sexual relationship between District 5 and District 6, around Kansas City….

(District map by famous repugnican cartographer Jerry Mandering)

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

@shartheheretic

My wife found the following quote that pretty much sums up Florida politics:

“I swear Florida could be voting between ice cream and a kick to the head and the results would be 50.5%-49.5%.”

– Benjamin Park

lkeke35
lkeke35
2 years ago

I am happy about the hundred or so women who have moved into the House. We have gays, lesbians, Muslims, Black women, transgender women, And at least two indigenous women who have won seats, which I find remarkable. That is a true representation of America, as we consist of more than just old White men.

Now we just need to keep up the momentum. As Stephen King once said, “Find that wheel, put your shoulder to it, and push that bxxxxx hard, cuz she don’t move easy!”

I keep telling people that Obama was just a warning shot. A shot fired over the bow. This is another one. The battle is happening in a kind of slow motion, and I know people are impatient, but we’re going to get there if we keep moving forward.

“Keep Moving Forward” is my personal motto. I invite everyone to use it whenever you start to feel down and need a little lift.

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

I kinda wonder how Ted Cruz was even legally allowed to run. Could someone please point me to the Supreme Court case that gave sentient balls of toenail clippings and bile personhood status?

Sbel
Sbel
2 years ago

I am a little bit disappointed. I was hoping for slightly better results.

But! Control of the House is the most important thing, and the Dems got that comfortably. Even with all the Gerrymandering, we still got the house! And we won a lot of important Governor races, state and local races, and initiatives/referendums. Sadly none in my state, but still. Overall it’s a good result. Some of us just had let our hopes get too high.

And some of the wins are really sweet. Kansas has a Dem Governor! So does Wisconsin! Kris Kobach and Scott Walker are out! WOOOOHOOOO!!!

And Michigan and Missouri are both getting independent redistricting commissions!! That will help reduce gerrymandering in those 2 states at least. Michigan also got automatic voter registration and same-day voting registration! And legal pot!

Even in Florida amongst the heartbreaking results is a bit of good news. Voting rights restored to 1.4 million people! That’s incredible!

First 2 Native American women ever elected to Congress! Also first 2 Muslim women ever elected to Congress! Lots of other firsts too!

So yeah, lots of good stuff.

Aleph
Aleph
2 years ago

@Scented ditto on that.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
2 years ago

Almost forgot CA state propositions.

On the one hand…good, preventing prop 13 from doing even more damage, and we kept the gas tax.

On the other hand…well, I knew the dialysis proposition was a longshot, but DAMN, I had high hopes for the rent control proposition. Kinda feels like I’m going to have to hope for something at the actual legislative level…assuming some assholes don’t get a proposition on the ballot to repeal whatever the legislature comes up with.

Oh well, sounds like other states (that aren’t named Alabama) had a lot better luck with their laws. Go MA!

Sly Fawkes
2 years ago

Thankfully Jared Polis won the Governor’s seat here in Colorado. It gives me a little hope.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

I’m really sad for Florida too. You really deserved Gillum. Lots of other places lost ground too. But only a bit of ground. Kobach is gone! That’s not small.

I agree with lkeke35, America deserves a government that looks like America, and it’s going to take a long time to get there, and they’re gonna fight us for every inch. Keep Moving Forward is a great motto. I’m gonna use it.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

Regarding Bill Vander Zalm I actually have a piece of memorabilia for him. It’s Quotations From Chairman Zalm, a book compiled by Stephen Osbourne and Mary Schendlinger of various silly things he said. It’s a tiny book intended to mimic Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung aka The Little Red Book.

He was such a flop as BC Premier that the Social Credit Party, which had governed BC for all but 3 years since 1952, not only lost the 1991 provincial election, it utterly collapsed afterward. In the 1996 election they got 0.6 percent of the vote.

dr. ej
dr. ej
2 years ago

Other good news from Nevada! We voted to get rid of the tampon tax and in favor of automatic voter registration!

I also wanted to share a Facebook post I came across today. I don’t have the energy to start a Facebook war today, but I thought you all might like to hear it.

Someone was complaining that you only need to win two counties to win the state here (because those counties are where the two large population centers are). A comment on that post then complained that there were busses to take college students to the polls.

Ummmmm…you kinda tipped your hand there a little bit, didn’t you? They basically admitted that their (R) candidate couldn’t win without suppressing votes.

Jane Done
Jane Done
2 years ago

I want to share a story with everyone re the small victories today, a story from your polite neighbors up north.

3 years ago, we had a federal election. I voted strategically for the choice that I believed would end the need to vote strategically, end first-past-the-post and bring in proportional or ranking or multiple choice or literally anything else.

As expected, upon Trudeau’s victory, he first responded with his hesitancy to go forward with the promise to abolish FPTP, expressed the difficulty of doing so, and then just outright abandoned it all together.

But the story doesn’t end there.

Several federal and local government surveys were sent out, asking Canadians about their moral views and how they view the current voting system. Many of them were deceiving or confusing, yet we made our voices heard, and now, 3 years later, the provincial government of BC is holding an official referendum on changing the voting system for local elections. We are now at the beginning of a country wide change, wether the current or next political party wants it or not.

Moral of the story is, just having the conversation, at a country-wide level can sometimes be enough, regardless of the outcome, to begin the avalanche of change.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

Reasons to feel good from Van Jones

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
2 years ago

OT: Jeff Sessions out as Attorney General; Matt Witaker is now running the joint.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/07/politics/sessions-resign/index.html

Tovius
Tovius
2 years ago

@Redsilkphoenix
I wonder what that will mean in the long run for the Mueller investigation.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@tim gueguen:
I think it was in 1990 that political cartoonist Raeside had a cartoon of Vander Zalm at the helm of a little tugboat named ‘S. S. Social Credit’… the boat was completely underwater and still sinking, there were two people out on deck trying to hold their breaths and pounding at the door, and inside the wheelhouse Vander Zalm was yelling back at them, “Don’t bother me with details, full steam ahead!”

@Jane Done:
Good luck with that… unfortunately, botching an attempt at a voting system referendum here in Ontario is yet another thing to be annoyed at Dalton McGuinty about. There was so little real education or attempts to explain what would happen that the ‘don’t change anything’ side got to fear-monger and set the tone of the entire conversation. The proposal died at least in part because of neglect on the part of the people who were supposed to be pushing it. I hope B.C. does better with that.

Then again, B.C.’s version of publicly-forced ballot proposals and referendums was what allowed Vander Zalm to do his own fear-mongering and kill the HST switchover after significant amounts of money and time had been spent actually performing the switchover, thus requiring more money and time to be spent switching back. It’s very much a double-edged sword.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

@Jenora Feuer

I remember that referendum. The information on the mixed-member proportional concept was so scant that I also ended up voting FPTP. *sigh* Oh well, that’s only the second in my “votes I regret” column.

shartheheretic
shartheheretic
2 years ago

Gaebolga, I saw that meme and couldn’t even laugh at it because it is just too on the nose.

Scildfreja, I really like Gillum. I appreciate that he doesnt come from a rich family (unlike every other person running did). He really gets what it means to be poor/middle class, and had good ideas on how to help level the playing field. The only hope I have is that DeSantis will implode and have to resign.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Redsilkphoenix – Go ahead and vent. This is an open thread, after all, and the only caveat was “no trolls.”

I’ll be reading.

The question about ‘crib sheets’ at the polls just goes to show how different the states’ voting rules and procedures are; here in CA, we get sample ballots to fill out to take to the polls with us!

Michael Suttkus, II
Michael Suttkus, II
2 years ago

My best hope right now, as a Floridian, is to note that the number of people who just had their voting rights restored, after decades of being denied by our overtly racist system, is greater than the margin of any of last night’s Florida elections.

Please let this be the sea-change we need.

Z&T
Z&T
2 years ago

@ Redsilkphoenix,

What Hambeast said and we’ll be happy to read your thoughts too. My pals here came over to commiserate with me since I lost it over a paper cut. This necessitated a trip to the liquor store. I really do need to get a grip on myself.

Go ahead and vent, we’re here reading along too.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

So to the surprise of absolutely no one, it turns out Tony Clement’s been a creep all along.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/instagram-user-describes-how-tony-clement-crossed-a-line-1.4896383

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Katamount:
I knew what the mixed-member proportional meant, but then, I’ve had interests in voting systems since getting introduced to Arrow’s impossibility theorem back in University. This can be basically summarized as ‘there is no perfect voting system’, though it gets into a lot more detail than that.

I was just annoyed that there had been no real attempt at explaining what it meant. It was like somebody went ‘well, we have to do this, so let’s just put it out there and let it sink on its own so nobody will blame us’.

With the current state of Canadian politics, anybody on the Conservative side is going to fight tooth and nail against anything that dilutes the advantages of First Past The Post, because those tend to be what gets modern Conservatives into power. The NDP tends to be greatly in favour, and the Liberals are in favour in theory but often not necessarily in practice.

And this is without the crazy levels of gerrymandering that happen elsewhere to reinforce FPTP even more. (Not that Canada’s riding layout is anywhere near perfect, but having the drawing done by civil servant committees make it harder to actively politicize.)

It does look like the current B.C. referendum has actively worked to block some of the biggest arguments against Ontario’s MMP scheme. First by breaking it into two questions, one for ‘keep the old scheme, or switch to a new one’ and two for ‘if we switch, which of these to use’ (which reduces the issue of people voting against the change because the proposed change wasn’t enough of a change); and second because not all of the proposed systems have the same sort of issue of ‘ahh, there are MPs that aren’t accountable to any riding!’ that was one of the biggest fear-mongering arguments used in Ontario.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@Jenora Feuer

Honestly, I’ve always thought the run-off system is the best one, but it’s hard enough to get people to vote once in Canada that I prefer not to imagine the turnout rate if you tried to make them go back two weeks later. (Hence why I’m theoretically in favor of ranked ballots, if you can get them to work.)

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
2 years ago

That’s one of the things that pissed me off with Trudeau, I was looking forward to getting rid of FPTP, then he backtracked.

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
2 years ago

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/11/28108/

Health Canada announces it will cover treatment for Canadians forced to imagine Tony Clement sexting

At press time, Clement was not stepping down from his position as MP because technically there’s no law that elected officials can’t be hypocrites or dumbasses.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

@Jesalin

Considering that Patrick Brown won his election, that’s all too clear…

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@Jesalin

We missed you at game last session, and also just in general. Next session is tomorrow, usual time?