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Open thread on Pittsburgh synagogue shooting and right-wing terror

The Tree of Life Synagogue

By David Futrelle

Every day, another atrocity. Today, as you know, a viciously hateful neo-Nazi shooter murdered eleven and wounded several others at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh.

Three days ago, a white supremacist killed two black shoppers at a grocery store in a suburb of Louisville, Kentucky, after first trying and failing to get into a nearby black church, which was his real target. And we are still waiting to find out if there are still any mail bombs left to be found after the largest mass political assassination attempt in US history.

So there’s a lot to discuss. Here are some relevant tweets about today’s tragedy as well as the shooting on Wednesday.

I’ll start with a useful short thread featuring the shooter’s posts on Gab. Yes, he “got on Gab,” as they say.

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Nequam
Nequam
2 years ago

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

This is America. And all we in the US can do at the moment is fucking vote.

My heart goes out to the ones who lost their kin in this incident. And my middle fingers are raised at the entirety of the GOP and Trump.

Citerior Motive
Citerior Motive
2 years ago

A white man shoots two black people in a supermarket while uttering racial slurs, then refuses to shoot another white person because “whites don’t shoot whites”, and the police are still ‘investigating the motive for the attack’? That’s the problem in a nutshell.

I also note that the NYT article feels the need to remark that ‘Mr Bush has a history of mental illness.’ Better lock all of us crazy people up, just in case.

Aleph
Aleph
2 years ago

And the owner of Gab is already complaining of “anti-white hate”, mostly aimed at Buzzfeed for some reason. As I long suspected, he’s not only a “muh free speech” advocate as he claims to be, but he’s one of them Nazis and he just wants a safe place for them, ironic that they complain about the concept.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It scares me more that he was a critic of Trump for not being extremist enough than it would if he were just another violent MAGA. Because when Trump’s base finally turns on him, it’s not going to be because they’ve come to their senses and decided to endorse hate. It’s going to be because Trump is turning the US into a fascist state too slowly. Someone in the GOP who is even worse than Trump could take his place, and if that happens, we all know the rest of the GOP will suck up to that person instead of checking their power.

The mainstream media is really invested in one of two theories. The first is that it’s just a contentious political climate right now and both sides are equally bad. The second is that the problem is only Trump and when he’s gone, civility will be restored and all will be well. Both takes are dangerously naive.
Until this country starts to face up to the fact that a large percentage of the population is sympathetic to Nazism and start dealing with it, really dealing, I fear things are only going to continue to devolve.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It scares me more that he was a critic of Trump for not being extremist enough than it would if he were just another violent MAGA. Because when Trump’s base finally turns on him, it’s not going to be because they’ve come to their senses and decided to endorse hate. It’s going to be because Trump is turning the US into a fascist state too slowly. Someone in the GOP who is even worse than Trump could take his place, and if that happens, we all know the rest of the GOP will suck up to that person instead of checking their power.

The mainstream media is really invested in one of two theories. The first is that it’s just a contentious political climate right now and both sides are equally bad. The second is that the problem is only Trump and when he’s gone, civility will be restored and all will be well. Both takes are dangerously naive.
Until this country starts to face up to the fact that a large percentage of the population is sympathetic to Nazism and start dealing with it, really dealing, I fear things are only going to continue to devolve.

Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
2 years ago

I don’t know how the US is ever going to pull back from the brink it’s on. I don’t even know if it can at this point. Too many people who’ve chosen to be, not just ignorant, but willfully ignorant, stupid and oblivious. Who are so entrenched in their messed up world view, so laden with projection and fear and just plain stupidity that they can seriously say things like “the shooter hated Trump, so he must be a liberal” and “all the libs do it hate”.

I’m scared for the world right now. Between your country, and the massive fascist uprising in Brazil, it’s terrifying. My husband was reading some of what the politician, who is almost certainly going to win in Brazil, has to say and it’s horrifying. He is very nearly directly stating that when he wins, he’s going to start murdering “socialists”. And he has the support of something like 80% of the country. So, Brazil is probably going to be a bloodbath in the not too distant future. And there will undoubtedly be refugees fleeing there as well. If I were a liberal/”socialist” in Brazil right now, I’d be getting my stuff together and organised to run, only sticking around long enough to vote in a desperate hope this fiend can be stopped.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

PayPal have just suspended Gab apparently. More tech savvy mammotheers may be able to confirm that.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Ooglyboogles

Voting but also other things plz. Activism around voting, activism around education, activism around deplatforming Fascists. Voting helps, but by itself won’t fix a massively broken and abusive system.

Speaking of that last, Jeff Sessions is coming to Boston tomorrow… If he thinks we’re rude to Yankees fans, he ain’t seen nothing yet.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@Cyborgette
Yes, all those are needed. I myself will do my part via taxi. Because my car broke down so hard the gas pedal and brakes are about as reliable as predicting the stock market through rocks.

@Alan Robertshaw
https://qz.com/1440746/pittsburgh-suspect-robert-bowers-had-anti-semitic-and-racist-posts-on-social-media/

After today’s shooting, Gab published a statement saying that it “unequivocally disavows and condemns all acts of terrorism and violence.” Later in the day, payments processor Paypal also discontinued its relationship with Gab. (Google had already banned the Gab app from the Android store in 2017.)

Alex
Alex
2 years ago

Long time reader, first time commenter. Hi, I’m Alex, and I’m traumatised.

I have a couple of friends who attend this synagogue. They’re literally waiting to find out who they know is dead or wounded. It’s horrific. The whole neighbourhood is very Jewish, and it’s the sort of thing nobody expected. Everyone is just holding their breath — I think most American Jews saw something like this coming, but we didn’t expect it at a bris, of all things. “Welcome to the faith, baby boy, you’re 8 days old, let’s celebrate you making it this far!” And that ends with horrific violence.

I used to work at my home synagogue. We drilled relentlessly on active shooter situations, suspicious package protocol, installed metal detectors, security cameras, hired a private security firm and worked with the police. You had to pass through police and private security just to worship on Friday nights. Because we knew this was coming. And now the president thinks that American Jews don’t do enough to protect ourselves. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so awful.

K
K
2 years ago

I’m so upset by his comments on Gab attacking HIAS and calling Jews “oven dodgers.” My grandmother dodged being murdered by the Nazis, if you want to call that dodging. I prefer “surviving.” And HIAS helped her and other people like her resettle in the US. HIAS is worthy of acclaim for this and all the work they continue to do for refugees, whether Jewish or not. How dare the president suggest that its citizens and residents shouldn’t expect the government to protect us.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

If anyone needs brain bleach, here’s a kitty crashing a runway at a fashion show and showing up all the models.

http://dlisted.com/2018/10/27/hot-slut-of-the-day-1762/#more-310925

Hexum7
Hexum7
2 years ago

Cat walker made me smile for the first time in days.

Thank you, WWTH

I can’t wrap my head around all of this

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@Hexum7
Oh it’s easy. GOP and Trump been currying racism for decades. And Trump pretty much set the whole shebang going with his hateful rhetoric, causing a spike in right wing terrorism including a synagogue shooting.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

“… may you live in interesting times….”

We are in trouble, no doubt. And as wwth said, all we can do is vote… still between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

half the population supports the idea that the other half should be killed or deported.

the political system and most of the politicians exist at the whim of the mega-wealthy, who, as long as they can still increase their wealth, don’t care (if they even KNOW) what happens to the not-mega-wealthy…

we’d be priming for a general uprising, except that the militaries scattered AK-47s and explosives all over the globe like they were Jolly Ranchers at a parade….

goddam, I am tired….

rv
rv
2 years ago

I think a violent uprising would be justified @Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie, except they’ll try and paint us as the monsters. It seems like no one listens to the left and the politically oppressed these days. The best we can do is protect ourselves.

And yes, it sucks @Skylalalalalalala. I hate how this world is bending to fascism. I blame the 2016 presidency for legitimizing this shit even though the Electoral College got him in (so it shouldn’t have been legitimate even by Trump’s standards). I’d wager that even in the mid 2010s the fascists seemed to have made their way into the mainstream with the gendered fashion we have for instance. Us liberals and socialists have to protect ourselves. Not just the US, but Brazil, Russia, Turkey, Italy (which has had a far right government now not too long ago) as well, if not the world.

You raise an interesting point there @weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee.

Government is run by fascists and corporate shills @Citerior Motive. Why else wouldn’t they all parrot “piracy is a crime”? It’s an unrelated issue, but by supporting the commercialization of human culture, it’s surely corporate shilling.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I just heard about this (the attack in Pittsburgh) last night. And here I was thinking, “Okay, the targeted mail bombs were scary, but at least they didn’t physically hurt anyone.”

@Alex – Welcome! I’m so sorry about what you and your friends are going through. Feel free to post more here if you like. Virtual hugs (or other desired gesture of support). <3

@Citerior Motive –

A white man shoots two black people in a supermarket while uttering racial slurs, then refuses to shoot another white person because “whites don’t shoot whites”, and the police are still ‘investigating the motive for the attack’? That’s the problem in a nutshell.

Yup. And there’s similar lack of deniability with the synagogue shooter. THESE ARE HATE CRIMES, PEOPLE. >(

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

Oh gosh, @Alex. Welcome, and I’m so sorry for all of this. You and yours don’t deserve one drop of the hate being directed at you. I hope you all stay safe and that the stress eases for you soon.

These are dark days, no doubt made worse by the proximity to the election. The pressure is rising. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw more before it, and well after it depending on how it turns out. The diehard Trumpistas are predicting a Republican surge from the election, and if they don’t get it, it seems like they’re poised to continue this terror spree.

Stay safe, all of you <3

mcbender
2 years ago

@Alex

I’m so sorry. Infrequent commenter myself, but know that I see you and feel for what you’re going through.

I was quite disturbed by this story myself. I’m a Carnegie Mellon alum and lived near there for several years, and instantly recognised that synagogue; I’ve never actually been inside (I’m an atheist non-practising Jew, it’s been years since I’ve gone to synagogue) but I know this community and it was a huge shock nonetheless.

I can’t even say I’m terribly surprised something like this happened, because truthfully I’ve been expecting it since the openly Nazi march in Charlottesville. I can’t see the escalation stopping, either. If I hadn’t already been living in fear I would be now.

The other fear I have is that, because this shooter was not a Trump supporter (in the worst way, he was against Trump because he didn’t think Trump was sufficiently Nazi) the Republican-Trump party may be able to rhetorically exploit it and minimise their own complicity. They should not be allowed to get away with that, but I have no confidence in our media’s ability to resist the right-wing spin machine.

rv
rv
2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKU6GBDHCGc

Fuck Pinochet and the right wing. Also, go adblock YT or download the videos from there if you haven’t already – Nazis live there.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Over here (UK) they’ve just given the remit for combatting right wing terrorism to MI5. It’s the same model they used in the Troubles; 5 do the intelligence work, the police (special branch then, SO15 now) do the operational stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/28/mi5-lead-battle-against-uk-rightwing-extremists-police-action

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

I hope this buries Gab, if for no other reason than to show these “dank meme”sters that they can’t just play with hate speech like it was a toy. It’s gotten people killed.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
2 years ago

I’m offline for a couple of days and look what happens. Shit. 🙁

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
2 years ago

I hadn’t heard about the Kentucky shooting. I guess it just goes to show that two people shot out of state isn’t news anymore.

…fuck, last week was terrible. At least the Dodgers lost.

Stephanie Cerra
Stephanie Cerra
2 years ago

We moved to Squirrel Hill when I was 15 and ever since, I’ve considered it my home town because I loved it so much. The Tree of Life synagogue is less than half a mile from where we used to live. That this could happen in my beautiful close-knit neighborhood is absolutely shocking. My heart goes out to the congregation, to Squirrel Hill, to the whole city, and to the worldwide community of Jews who must now feel even less safe than before.
I hope that these awful murders will inspire those who have supported Trump to reconsider whether low taxes, etc., are worth this increasingly poisonous atmosphere of white nationalism.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

I’m crying now:

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/10/29/jeff-sessions-boston-bible-verse/

My late father was a United Methodist pastor. If he were alive today, I know he would stand in support of this young pastor standing up to Sessions. If Sessions feels “attacked” by Holy Scripture, then he needs to stop acting so self-righteous.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

The one bit of good news: apparently the NRA is so tight for cash that they’ve only spent $1.6 million on ads this campaign season. At the same point in 2014, they’d spent ten times as much. And those in favor of gun control are outspending them.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/