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Blazing hot takes on mail bombs from the #MAGA crowd

Yes, they’re already starting to make NPC memes about it

UPDATE, FRIDAY 10/26: They’ve nabbed a suspect, a 56-year-old Florida man whose van is covered with pro-Trump stickers, alongside “CNN SUCKS” stickers and  pictures of Hillary Clinton and other Democrats depicted in crosshairs. Somehow I don;t think this is going to stop these people from crying “false flag.” 

By David Futrelle

At yet another of his endless series of rallies this Wednesday night, Donald Trump responded to the news that pipe bombs were sent to the homes and offices of a number of his top Democratic bete noires, as well as to CNN, another favorite Trump target, by offering only the vaguest possible condemnations of these acts of terrorism.

He decried the current poisonous state of political discourse, without acknowledging himself as the prime poisoner, And then he launched into a tirade blaming the news media for its alleged “endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks.” It’s almost as if he were suggesting that CNN deserved to receive the bomb found in its mailroom today.

The White House reportedly has not reached out to any of the Democrats targeted in the bomb attacks.

Trump’s graceless and self-serving response to this attempt to kill many of his most hated political opponents speaks volumes about the man. And so do the responses of many of his biggest fans online and in the right-wing media world. I’ve spent much of the day scanning the responses to the bombings amongst the MAGA crowd on Twitter and Gab, and let’s just say it hasn’t been pretty.

Most of the devoted MAGAheads seem to be going with the claim that this was all a “false flag” by the Dems — possibly paid for by George Soros, who was himself targeted with a mail bomb only a few days ago.

Nationalist, Deplorable Maggie ‏ @Maggie100862 Follow Follow @Maggie100862 More ⁦@DorothyGale_Oz⁩ If this False Flag , HOAX DEVICES don’t divert and distract the Liberal Soros bought & paid for Caravan or the FAILED BLUE WAVE that is barely a ripple, the following is what the Liberal/ Democrats are planning next. GOP is WINNING we don’t need violence

AMERICANPATRIOT ‏ @1776MAGA1 Follow Follow @1776MAGA1 More #midterms democrats stage a false flag attack onto themselves in desperate attempt to put their zombies back in line befor the elction. They tried Rape, they tried RUSSIA ? They tried rape again / Kavanaugh /now theyre sending fake bombs with fake postal stamps #redtsunami

InRealTyme ‏ @DwDrew59 Follow Follow @DwDrew59 More Replying to @WOTUSisme False Flag FBI CIA Deep State

Lauren ‏ @MissLaurenL Follow Follow @MissLaurenL More Today’s events is a Reichstag Fire false flag perpetrated by the deep state Democrats. This isn’t MAGA camp’s doing because that isn’t how Reichstag Fire false flags work, so please educate yourself before you claim it is. #bombscare

Quite a few of the false flag theorists appear unaware that caps-lock can be turned off.

GW Invader ‏ @littlecooper763 Follow Follow @littlecooper763 More Replying to @Dawn_DeMore1 @GrrrGraphics DEEP STATE ACTIVISTS=MANUFACTUR A CENTRAL AMERICAN INVASION OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER+USING PAID INVASION FORCE+AS A FINALE USE A "FALSE FLAG" BOMBING SCARE OF A UNSYMPATHETIC CAST OF CHARACTERS AKA: SOROS, CLINTONS, BRENNAN, CHUCK, NANCY, MAXINE, DEBBIE, FILL-IN-THE-BLANK=PLAYBOOK!

Isaiah Fifty Three (RUSSIAN SPY FOR PUTIN) ‏ @FiftyIsaiah Follow Follow @FiftyIsaiah More Isaiah Fifty Three (RUSSIAN SPY FOR PUTIN) Retweeted Breaking911 THEYRE PLANTING FAKE BOMBS AT THEIR OWN HOUSES TO BLAME RIGHT WING TERRORISTS! WAKE UP, SOON THEY WILL DO A FALSE FLAG AND BLAME RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS AND OUR GUNS... SPREAD THIS EVERYWHERE WAKE UP THE WORLD WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR SCAMS NOW #Qanon #ThanQTrump #MAGA #JesusIsLORD

Other conspiracy theorists constructed their tweets almost entirely out of hashtags.

Max Genao ‏ @fussaboy Follow Follow @fussaboy More #RealNews the #Democrats controlled #FakeNewsMedia #Propaganda machine the #EnemyOfThePeople @MSNBC @CNN @ABC @CBS @AC360 #CNNPC wont tellU #WakeUpAmerica #WalkAway Its a Democrats #FalseFlag desperation ahead of #Midterms2018 just like #BrettKavanaugh #RapeHoax led by #MSM cabal

For this fellow, the only real bomb is that … caravan of Honduran refugees.

A few ingenious tweeters even managed to work the NPC meme into the mix.

#SpaceForceWizard #LightWarrior #Kekistani 🇺🇸 ‏ @DreamwalkerWC Follow Follow @DreamwalkerWC More Replying to @Hirdman @gatewaypundit Bad false flag is bad. Everything about this screams sloppy Cabal attempt to steer narrative, blame it on Trump, shift focus from caravan, ostracize #MAGA.

eden novak ‏ @eden_novaq Follow Follow @eden_novaq More Fake bombs, Fake outrage, Fake compassion, Fake facts, Fake Science, Fake refugees.. It's all an illusion. It's a game. We've been played for.fools. #bombscare #BombHoax #GreatAwakening "You are watchinga movie" -Q #QAnon #mockingbird

This guy thinks it’s all an elaborate plot to distract from … tech companies reporting strong earnings.

凹三凸 ‏ @wild_stallion_3 Follow Follow @wild_stallion_3 More False Flag bombs are a distraction. tech company earnings reports come out today and tomorrow. They are beating all estimates. This is despite a huge stock drop over the past few months. Shows the power of Cabal stock manipulation. Maybe this explains the sloppy bombs.

Some of the false flag theories have gotten fairly baroque already:

Betzalel Maggid ‏ @dreamrunes Follow Follow @dreamrunes More Replying to @RealCandaceO @RandyYoung22681 They were probably sent by the Cabal, to remind them to keep in line. Espically as this whole Qanon thing heats up with the 51,000 sealed indictments pending. The Cabal is trying to remind them whos in charge.

David Rieman ‏ @RiemanDavid Follow Follow @RiemanDavid More Replying to @LionelMedia I think the white hats sent obviously fake "bombs" to the probable recipients of future cabal targets in order to thwart the real attacks. That way the white hats can say, the Dems are creating false flags also neutralize this attack vector. Sort of like a vaccine.

Only some of the “false flag” criers tried to offer any proof to back up their claims. As for those who did, let’s just say that their arguments are a little less than airtight.

Some think it has to be a liberal/lefty plot because if right-wingers had sent bombs in the mail, the bombs would have worked.

ThePatriotPub ‏ @thepatriotpub Follow Follow @thepatriotpub More Replying to @MikeTokes They (Democrats) didn’t exploit it, they staged it. If an American Patriot did this, they would have succeeded. That’s how we all know it was a Democrat false flag. MAGA patriots have shown extreme constraint and will continue to be true to our structure, laws, constitution.

Joseph ‏ @TechGuru1 Follow Follow @TechGuru1 More Replying to @qanon76 @jonswaine It stinks to high heaven. 1st the bombs dont work = just like democrats 2nd the spelling was awful = just like democrats 3rd it really looked like they wanted to have them all discovered for maximum press coverage = just like democrats #FalseFlagAsWeToldYou #QAnon

Some suggest that it has to be an inside job on the part of the Dems — because Florida Dem Debbie-Wasserman Schultz put her return address on the bombs!

THEY LITERALLY THINK THE FACT THAT WHOEVER SENT THE BOMBS PUT HER (MISSPELLED) NAME ON IT … PROVES IT WAS REALLY HER.

One of the many pushing this particular angle? Sarah Palin. But there were many more.

Chad Anson Robbins ‏ @chadarobbins Follow Follow @chadarobbins More Replying to @Amy_Siskind Omg This is all a Democrap distraction.. it’s already came out the return address was a Democrat lol. Good luck dumbass dems. Open your minds ppl. Democrats are all about distraction and lies. Bye bye democraps . If you actually think this is a legit act of terror your wrong

Me ‏ @altumolillo Follow Follow @altumolillo More THEY CAN'T EVEN FAKE TERRORIZE THEMSELVES RIGHT!😂🤣😂 BREAKING: Return Address Found On Suspicious Packages Belongs To Well-Known Democrat

Randy Young ‏ @RandyYoung22681 Follow Follow @RandyYoung22681 More Replying to @dreamrunes @RealCandaceO It's funny how the return address on a couple of the packages are connected to Debbie Waserman-Schultz lol Its got false flag written all over it.

My favorite galaxy-brain version of this argument? That Wasserman-Schultz put her own address on the bombs … to draw attention away from her!Laurentiius ‏ @Laurentiius Follow Follow @Laurentiius More Here's one theory anyway. Who would put their return address on the bombs💣💣💣? Unless, she didn't want to be suspected. Only as another #Democrat #moron. To suggest she wasn't involved.

Wheels within wheels.

After the crowd at Trump’s rally today started chanting “lock her up” — this was before Trump himself went onstage — many liberal and lefty observers wondered aloud if that chant might change to “blow her up” (or “blow them up”) later in the evening. It didn’t, but some in MAGA-land clearly think that prospect is hilarious.

" blow her up!!" blow her up!!"

Carol Ayers‏ @godislove524  More Replying to @w_terrence Too bad they didn't blow them up!!

Of course, many of the MAGAheads insisting that they would prefer locking her up to blowing her to bits say it’s because they want the chance to watch her suffer … before she is executed. TheTruffleShuffle @TheTruffleShuffle  9 minutes ago · in News This is the deception we expect from a Democrat.. Conservatives want to see Hillary Clinton #LockedUp, not blown up. Killing the traitorous wench gives her the easy way out. Americans want to see her masks ripped off in trial, we want to see her convicted, and we want to see her sentenced to death for her criminal acts.

Terri Thomas‏ @TerriTh2014  More Replying to @fedupwithit31 @LisaMei62 Why would we blow them up when it would be more entertaining to watch it unfold in front of the world to see. We know their crimes. We want you to witness it too. Besides I have lots of popcorn.

We’re down the rabbit hole now. And the rabbit hole is full of shit.

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Skylalalalalalala
Skylalalalalalala
3 years ago

I just can’t even.

This bullshit is incredibly terrifying. These people are so far detached from reality that they’re capable of believing anything or doing anything.
Much as I hope that your Democrats down there pull their thumbs out of their asses and actually vote some of these assclowns out, I’m worried about what’s going to happen down there with these hot messes when they start losing.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

False Flag FBI CIA Deep State

“Are we the NPCs?”

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

I see that the person saying “Too bad they didn’t blow them up!!” is Carol Ayers@godislove524.

It’s almost as though those who embrace the alt-right feel absolutely no need to connect any one of their deeply held values with their other deeply held values.

Almost as though they don’t bother to think things through.

Almost as though they operate solely on emotion.

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
3 years ago

They think this is all an attempt to “ostracize MAGA”?

oh well, I guess they’re on to us.

we’ll just have to drop nukes on them and have the soldiers from Jade Helm collect the remains and send them on to FEMA camps.

remember: just don’t take their guns, leave them where you find them.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
3 years ago

I love the one declaring “that’s not how Reichstag fires work.” If we’re going with a Reichstag fire analogy, Trump would be in the role of Hitler, the Republicans the Nazis, and the Democrats the communists.

The one about how it has to be Democrats because of the misspelling is also precious. It is right wingers who historically have the atrocious spelling. Including their leader, Mr. Covefe himself.

Gijoel
Gijoel
3 years ago

@skyla They believe that the parents of murdered children are ‘crisis actors’. This isn’t that much of a stretch for them.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Ok, just when I thought the world couldn’t get any weirder…

Apparently* Richard ‘Punchable’ Spencer has a new girlfriend; and she’s a hardcore lefty. Anyway, here’s the happy couple.

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I think I’ll just hibernate. Could someone please wake me up when we’re back in the timeline where Prince is still alive?

[*I’ve not been able to verify this, but as it’s all the right wingers up in arms about it, it might well be true]

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

I’m particularly impressed by the poster who suggests that poor spelling points to a Democrat source. Almost every time I’ve read a comment thread supporting Trump, it has included some commenters whose level of literacy would shame a ten-year-old. Or are all of those false flags?

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

Clearly a false flag operation to distract from their involvement in the child sex slave pizzeria that is sending the kids over to Benghazi to mine uranium.

@ Alan Robertshaw:

…she’s a hardcore lefty.

I’m thinkin not….

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

Off-topic TRIGGER WARNING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND CHILD ABUSE!!

This says a lot
https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/10/hedda-nussbaum-joel-steinberg-abuse-trial-anniversary.html

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
3 years ago

Alan Robertshaw wrote:

[*I’ve not been able to verify this, but as it’s all the right wingers up in arms about it, it might well be true]

Actually, in my experience, if right wingers are up in arms about something, that’s a pretty clear indication it’s complete bullshit.

LG
LG
3 years ago

Weird –

Ugh, the bit about the abuser’s parents sweeping in to bully and pressure her into staying with him hits hard for me this week. I met up with my partner’s parents for the first time since I stopped living with him and made him go to abuser counseling and such two years ago. I knew things were going to be awkward, but I wasn’t expecting these people I’ve known for twelve years, loved and seen as surrogate parents, to just rip into me and call me “vicious.” My big sin? Talking publicly about the abuse. With their son’s blessing and encouragement.

Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
3 years ago

Once again I find myself wondering whether there is any atrocity, any death, any human suffering that cannot be dismissed as a “false flag” if it looks a bit politically inconvenient.

What would a “true flag” operation look like?

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

TRIGGER WARNING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

@ LG:

I wasn’t expecting these people I’ve known for twelve years, loved and seen as surrogate parents, to just rip into me and call me “vicious.” My big sin? Talking publicly about the abuse. With their son’s blessing and encouragement.

That’s one of the plot points in the movie “The Burning Bed“, cited in the article. It’s a manifestation of the triad of denial: “If it’s wrong, it’s not happening; if it’s happening it’s not wrong; if it’s wrong and it is happening it’s someone else’s fault”

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

This right here is the intersection of conspiracy theory thinking with absolute cartoon imagination. One of the dangers of conspiratorial thinking is that suddenly you can imagine people being capable of anything. If these people really believe that there is some kind of Deep State Soros Illuminati Rothschild cabal out to “get” their precious Trump, then sure, they’ll have some specialist rig up a few pipe bombs or get a few false accusers for Brett Kavanaugh. Why wouldn’t they?

But I’ve watched enough episodes of Forensic Files to know that the knowledge required to construct devices like that is pretty specialized. It takes both construction and electronic skills. Hillary Clinton or George Soros or whatever Democratic stereotype they imagine is not reading up on how to build these things, testing several methods to ensure they don’t blow themselves up, wiring the detonator, filling the pipe, welding the end-caps, then phoning up the other five people who also constructed these devices to send them all out simultaneously, completely willing to sacrifice any number of postal workers and Secret Service agents who will be handling the packages.

And it’s not like stuff like this hasn’t happened before. The Austin bombings happened earlier this year, and I recall one episode of the aforementioned Forensic Files focusing on a serial bomber who targeted the Alabama NAACP in the 70s: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/19/603883731/alabama-serial-bomber-walter-leroy-moody-83-to-be-executed-thursday

The ATF are pretty good at their job and they’ve only gotten more tools to work with since the 1970s. They’ll track the perp down quickly (especially since these are high-profile targets) and I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts it won’t be the Soros-backed Deep Stater they think it is.

Alexisagirlsname
Alexisagirlsname
3 years ago

I love the one declaring “that’s not how Reichstag fires work.” If we’re going with a Reichstag fire analogy, Trump would be in the role of Hitler, the Republicans the Nazis, and the Democrats the communists.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that you have to be the one already in government to enact the emergency powers that a Reichstag Fire scenario might prompt and therefore assume totalitarian control. I’m not sure what an opposition party would be supposed to do in that situation.

(Also there’s far from a consensus amongst historians over whether the actual Reichstag Fire itself really was a false flag attack or not. Plenty of historians think that the Nazis were just taking advantage of a situation that they had no hand in creating and that Marinus van der Lubbe, the Dutch communist executed for starting the fire, actually did do it. A lot of the time malicious opportunism is a more likely explanation for events than grand conspiracy.)

LG
LG
3 years ago

@ Weird –

“If it’s wrong, it’s not happening; if it’s happening it’s not wrong; if it’s wrong and if it is happening it’s someone else’s fault”

Yeah, that’s…pretty much exactly been their playbook on this whole thing from the beginning. They started out by denying that the violent threatening behaviors were really abusive (because he didn’t actually hit me), and he’s had to repeatedly tell them about the sexually abusive behaviors because they’ll just pretend they haven’t heard it. And now that they’ve finally come around to accepting that it happened, and it was wrong (which they say they accept), I suppose they just *had* to find some way to make it all my fault.

Sorta like Trump attacking CNN when he was supposed to be condemning the violence.

Fabe
Fabe
3 years ago

@Katamount

The ATF are pretty good at their job and they’ve only gotten more tools to work with since the 1970s. They’ll track the perp down quickly (especially since these are high-profile targets) and I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts it won’t be the Soros-backed Deep Stater they think it is.

But that won’t stop them from saying its a Soros-backed deep stater . When the ATF do find the guy I just hope they take them alive and they are so convinced of their righteousness they don’t even try to deny what they did.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Fabe:

give it up… NOTHING can dissuade the fantasy fans from their foolishness… not just today, not just 9/11, not just the moon landing, not just the Holocaust, they say the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 was a false flag… THE TITANIC SINKING WAS A HOAX FOR AN INSURANCE SCAM

when you believe in invisible helicopters, a flat earth and reptilian aliens are not out of the realm of fantasy….

On a better “note”, my Folk Music Channel just played this gem from my childhood… the first song I learned on my harp (of course!!)

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
3 years ago

@ Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie:

THE TITANIC SINKING WAS A HOAX FOR AN INSURANCE SCAM

Wait, is this an actual conspiracy theory some people have? I, um, wow. (Thinks about this):

1. People killing family members/business partners for the life insurance happens, but they tend to kill one individual at a time.
2. People setting fire to their own business for the insurance happens, but I think they usually do it while no one’s inside, partly so they can live with themselves, but mostly so there’s no witnesses.
3. People not caring much for their customers’/employees’ lives happens, but usually that requires the customers/employees to be poor people without much clout whose deaths won’t cause that much of an outcry.

Basically if your insurance swindle involves sinking a ship whose passengers include some very wealthy people (who are also the ones with the best chance of surviving to tell the tale and possibly recalling some suspicious detail, and if not, whose deaths would likely investigated) – ALL the surviving passengers and crew would have to be in on it, and you’d have to be certain that ALL of them were dishonest enough to join the scheme, yet honest enough not to sell out the scheme, AND competent enough to carry out their part in the scheme perfectly.

Then again if you believe the thousands of people who’ve worked for NASA over the decades are all in on a giant hoax…
As I recently saw somebody post, conspiracy theorists have evidently never had to manage a group project.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ weird eddie

THE TITANIC SINKING WAS A HOAX FOR AN INSURANCE SCAM

The Titanic conspiracy theory was one of the more plausible ones; and was doing the rounds within days of the sinking. Swapping vessels is a still not uncommon maritime fraud even today.

What mitigated against it though was that, due to their particular insurance arrangements, White Star wouldn’t have actually benefitted that much. Also items recovered from both the Olympic and Titanic have the correct serial numbers on; so we know it’s the real Titanic down there.

ETA: @ mooncustafer – the conspiracy theory only needed the officers. I don’t have time with the edit window to go into details, but it relied on everyone being rescued by the Carpathia. Which also belonged to White Star and was carrying a cargo of blankets.

Bina
3 years ago

“Too bad they didn’t blow them up”, says (checks notes) @godislove524.

Do you even irony, sis?

And speaking of irony, courtesy Alan:

Apparently* Richard ‘Punchable’ Spencer has a new girlfriend; and she’s a hardcore lefty.

I somehow doubt that very much.

Whoever she is, though, I fear for her, because Punchable Dowdy Dickie is a domestic abuser. And yes, it’s down on public record in his divorce filings.

That anyone would even WANT to date him in the first place is simply incredible to me.

Bina
3 years ago

@Alan: The Carpathia was with the Cunard line, so that blows THAT theory out of the water. Still, it was one of the more interesting ones while it lasted.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@Bina “Oh, she was was bitch, he’ll be nice to me – I’m one of the good ones!” perhaps? 🙁 Otherwise, I got nuthin’….

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
3 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

the conspiracy theory only needed the officers. I don’t have time with the edit window to go into details, but it relied on everyone being rescued by the Carpathia.

You know “conspiracy gone wrong” explains a LOT of things better than “conspiracy planned everything and the bits that don’t make sense are just further evidence of how extensive and clever the conspiracy is,” but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it pitched; I suppose because the classic explanation for conspiracy theories is “to avoid having to confront the possibility that *no one’s* at the wheel,” and incompetent conspirators don’t help with that.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ bina

Yeah; although even before they merged they were quite cooperative in terms of divvying up work and covering for each other.

It is one of the more interesting conspiracy theories because there was that four day period the ships were in dock together. At the first (rushed) enquiry they actually used the plans of the Olympic by accident. Most of the photos today purportedly of the Titanic are actually the Olympic (big clue when you can see New York in the background). The Titanic is the famous one now of course, but at the time she was the Buzz Aldrin of ocean liners. White Star timed the maiden voyage to capitalise on the publicity of her more famous sister setting some record or something.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
3 years ago

My favorite galaxy-brain version of this argument? That Wasserman-Schultz put her own address on the bombs … to draw attention away from her!

“Once the quarterback has the ball, he fakes to the left. No. He fakes to the right. He doesn’t fake.”
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LG: I’m sorry about what you’re going through.

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

It’s interesting you guys brought up the Titanic; my recent trip to St. John’s had a lot of information on it (given it sank just off the Grand Banks). The Johnson GEO Centre had a whole display about the timeline and an assessment of exactly who was at fault (everybody). I’m glad I got a chance to see Cape Race lighthouse too, where the Marconi wireless station was receiving transmissions from Titanic while the iceberg warnings were attempting to break through (which wireless operator Jack Phillips infamously waited on before chastizing the operator of the Californian attempting to give the same warning). Cape Race also received the SOS transmission.

It was an eerie sight, as Cape Race was shrouded in fog the day I was there.

If it was a conspiracy for insurance money, it was one that required a lot of things to go wrong at the perfect time. And having seen the graves of Titanic dead in Halifax… it was a costly one.

ETA: I found this hilarious Rude Pundit take on how the New York Times will profile the bombing suspect: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-future-new-york-times-profile-of.html

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

@Katamount

The ATF are pretty good at their job and they’ve only gotten more tools to work with since the 1970s. They’ll track the perp down quickly (especially since these are high-profile targets) and I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts it won’t be the Soros-backed Deep Stater they think it is.

That will just prove the ATF is in on it.

LG
LG
3 years ago

@ AsAboveSoBelow

Thanks. It’s a mindfuck and a half to be in a position where people are trying to defend your abuser and attack you even though he desperately doesn’t want them to.

I keep thinking about how male reputation isn’t necessarily about the man in question, what he wants or what makes him happy or healthy, it’s about upholding the systems and keeping women down.

My former mother-in-law even told me, basically, that the appropriate way for a wife to avoid marital rape is to “just go along with it” because her husband “needs” it. My partner is adamant, now that he’s learned what sex is like when you respect and connect to your partner, that THIS is what he’s *actually* been needing. But she doesn’t care because she’s martyred herself to the idea that basically being a concubine to her husband is somehow this powerfully good thing for him. It’s so fucking sad because I know she’s seen hella trauma in her life, but there’s nothing I can do to make her stop hating me.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ katamount

We’ve got the other Marconi station not far from here; and that can be similarly eerie!

As for the purported motive; the theory was that the Olympic had been more badly damaged in her collision than originally thought, and was beyond economic repair. So whilst the two ships are in dock together, White Star swaps the names and re-jigs the porthole arrangement at the front of the promenade deck (the only real external difference). Smith and Ismay then find a suitable iceberg to scrape against. And the Carpathia picks everyone up. Bob’s your uncle.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

@Alan

That is undoubtedly one of the weirdest things Uncle Bob’s ever done, and he’s been involved in some weird ones over the years.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Alan, all;

yeesh, I started something here!! 🙂 🙂

Captain Edward Smith was still in command of Olympic at the time of the incident [collision with HMS Hawke]. Two crew members, stewardess Violet Jessop and stoker Arthur John Priest, survived not only the collision with Hawke but also the later sinking of Titanic and the 1916 sinking of Britannic, the third ship of the class

them’s some lucky people!!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

@Skylalalalalalala

I’m worried about what’s going to happen down there with these hot messes when they start losing.

How will they even know? They think the sky is plaid and people are robots and Democrats collectively have Munchausen syndrome. They’re adrift in the 83rd dimension.

Should the Democrats manage to take back the House, I think everyone should collectively reassure the Q/MAGAheads that it’s fake MSM news and Democratic reps are just paid actors who are secretly working for Trump, so no need for violence. Let them live in their fantasy world while we go about cleaning up the mess in the real world.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ weird eddie

Just been talking about Violet elsewhere! Her previous experience came in handy when the Brittanic was hit. She was able to tell everyone to get straight to the lifeboats despite the apparent lack of immediate danger.

Oh, and as for Jack Philips (and to open up another possible debate about capitalism) the Marconi crew weren’t on a fixed wage. They got commision from sending and recieving telegrams. Hence the prioritising of passenger messages (paid) as opposed to ice warnings (not paid).

Hexum7
Hexum7
3 years ago

Ruchard Spencer posing in front of a gay flag, or a reasonable facsimile thereof?

Perhaps “new girlfriend” is the questionable part.*

*rumors spreading, so it must be true (sarcasm)

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

Loo Dumbs is spouting conspiracy (still)…

“Fake bombs,” Dobbs wrote in a tweet posted to his verified account Thursday morning. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?”

well, Loo, the repugnican’ts have been benefiting from fakery for some time, now….

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
3 years ago

LG: Hugs if you want them. Take good care of yourself.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Oh, and as for Jack Philips (and to open up another possible debate about capitalism) the Marconi crew weren’t on a fixed wage. They got commision from sending and recieving telegrams. Hence the prioritising of passenger messages (paid) as opposed to ice warnings (not paid).

That would explain a great deal.

We’ve got the other Marconi station not far from here; and that can be similarly eerie!

I’ll bet. It was interesting insofar as it was basically the only day out of the week I was in Newfoundland that it was the legit “fogged in” experience. But holy crap, it made for a treacherous approach: the road to Cape Race is a single-lane half-paved half-gravel road. It’s a really remote part of the Avalon Peninsula as nobody actually lives there anymore.

I think I posted some pictures on Twitter…

Here’s the Cape Race lighthouse as I saw it:
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Here’s a 100 foot drop into the Atlantic Ocean that was easy to miss the markings for in thick fog:
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And here’s a three-legged fox I saw on the side of the road to the lighthouse:
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Poor foxy. 🙁

Hoosier X
Hoosier X
2 years ago

My main problem with comparing Trump to Hitler is that Trump is a lot more like Marshall Petain, with Putin as the puppet master instead of Hitler.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Katamount:
Aww, poor fox.

(A friend of mine who was doing geological surveying up in the Kirkland Lakes area said he once looked down to find a fox chewing on his boot. While his foot was still in the boot. He got to find out first hand what anti-rabies injections are like.)

Also, my sister lives within sight of a lighthouse, out on the other end of the coutry at Sheringham Point in B.C.

@Hoosier X:
Even before the election, people were pointing out that Trump should really be compared more to Mussolini, who was much more of the businessman and ran on similar levels of ‘I’m going to make everything work, and if I say it’s working, it is, no matter what your lying eyes say’.

@OP:
From some of what I’ve been hearing, most of the bombs were pretty amateur things, built by someone whose knowledge of bombs likely comes more from movies than reality. Good at scaring people, though. Which means ‘militia-type’ is definitely not out of the running of who was behind this.

Jane Done
Jane Done
2 years ago

@AsAboveSoBelow:

Well right wingers are the ones who came up with “Oh well trump’s lies are just pretend lies, so it’s ok, but Hillary’s lies are REAL lies, which is BAD.”

Bina
2 years ago

@FishyGoat:

“Oh, she was was bitch, he’ll be nice to me – I’m one of the good ones!” perhaps? 🙁 Otherwise, I got nuthin’….

Yeah, that sounds plausible…you’d be surprised (or maybe not?) at how many women think “Oh, she was bad, I’ll just be better and nothing will happen.” Internalized misogyny is a real bear sometimes.

@Alan (and all, re: Titanic):

The most recent (and plausible) explanation for the Titanic sinking when it did is that the hull was weakened by a slow fire in the coal bins that started during a speed test and was never successfully extinguished. Doesn’t have quite the fillip that a crunchy conspiracy theory does, but science would appear to support it. In fact, there’s even a contemporary article (at the link) saying that the ship’s stokers knew about the fire and cited it as a factor in the sinking.

Also, greed is certainly not ruled out by this explanation. On the contrary, the fact that they chose to press ahead with the maiden voyage even knowing that the ship was damaged speaks volumes as to the greed and hubris of the line’s owners. And to their stupidity in thinking nothing could go wrong.

LG
LG
2 years ago

@ Bina

“Yeah, that sounds plausible…you’d be surprised (or maybe not?) at how many women think ‘Oh, she was bad, I’ll just be better and nothing will happen.’ Internalized misogyny is a real bear sometimes.”

I mean, this is exactly what I did.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
2 years ago

I hope the arsehole/arseholes responsible for sending those bombs get caught! As for these idiots, I couldn’t even read half of it because it was so stupid. Do they really believe this crap? Do they really expect anyone outside of their echo chamber to believe it?

Sheila Crosby
2 years ago

On the contrary, the fact that they chose to press ahead with the maiden voyage even knowing that the ship was damaged speaks volumes as to the greed and hubris of the line’s owners. And to their stupidity in thinking nothing could go wrong.

Have you heard of Improved Engine Green? It was a paint for steam engines developed in the 1880s. By all accounts it did a great job of protecting the metal from rusting and they used it for years. But Improved Engine Green was actually ochre or brown. The boss was colour blind and because it was the 1880s nobody told him.

It’s sort of the polar opposite of peer review and although it must be lovely in the short term, it seems like a very dangerous place to be. It also seems to be fairly common among the ruling class.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

@Moggie, I’ve just seen your new avi photo! Cute white cat blep 🙂

Re the OP, the MAGA peeps certainly had the most bizarre takes on the bombs, but Steven Pinker had possibly the most pathetic attempt at minimising them:

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Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

I’ve just seen, on Twitter, someone saying “If bombs don’t explode, don’t report it”. Yes: why let people know what’s happening in an enormous terrorist event which must be one of the most evidently party political interventions in decades?

In other news, apparently one was sent to Cory Booker, too. What, are we up to 10 now?

https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/10/bomb_addressed_to_cory_bookers_intercepted_in_flor.html

It looks as if the would-be bomber(s) is / are either trying to scare and intimidate (in which case I think they are, or just not very good at making explosives.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
2 years ago

Add James Clapper to the list.

Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

Just realised my post was more than usually incoherent:

It looks as if the would-be bomber(s) is / are either trying to scare and intimidate (in which case I think they are [succeeding], or just not very good at making explosives.

I managed to delete the bit in square brackets.

@LG, I’m so sorry you went through that and hope you are in a better place now.

It is a surprisingly regular occurrence: I used to volunteer on a domestic abuse phone-line and the number of times I heard someone saying effectively, “Yes, I knew his previous relationship ended terribly but this one won’t.”

A couple of times even the person saying that had been IN the previous relationship with the same abuser!