By David Futrelle
On Thursday, former Iowa youth basketball coach Greg Stephen pled guilty to multiple child exploitation and child porn charges after admitting to sexual exploiting some 400 boys, including players he coached, over the course of many years. The details of the case are truly horrifying. As the Associated Press notes,
Stephen, 42, posed as girls on social media to trick the boys into making live videos masturbating. He secretly recorded them showering during trips to tournaments. In some cases he recorded himself fondling nude players as they slept.
Despite the appalling nature of Stephen’s crimes, his case has gotten very little media attention since his arrest last March.
It has also gotten zero attention from the Men’s Rights subreddit, the largest and most active men’s rights forum online, with nearly 200,000 subscribers.
After learning of Stephen’s plea deal I went to the Men’s Rights subreddit to see what the regulars there were saying.
Turns out they were saying absolutely nothing. As of 6 PM this afternoon — Saturday, October 20th — I could not find a single post dealing with the case. After scouring the top 100 posts in the subreddit, I did searches for posts containing Stephen’s name, as well as separate searches for “Iowa,” “basketball” and “coach,” from the past week. Nothing.
I extended the search to include posts from “all time,” and it appears that Stephen’s appalling crimes have never been discussed on the Men’s Rights subreddit. Not even once. (Unless they somehow managed to discuss his case without using his name or mentioning his profession or the number of his victims.) Apparently not one of the subreddit’s 191,917 subscribers has thought the subject important enough to bring up.
Here are some of the things they ARE discussing on the subreddit today.
There are also no less than 34 or 35 (I lost count) posts about “false accusations” in the top 100 posts there now — that is, roughly a third of the total.
It’s not that Men’s Rights Redditors don’t care about the sexual abuse or exploitation of boys. There are several posts about female teachers sexually assaulting their underage students, a post about a damning year-old report from Australia’s Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, and multiple posts about a 9-year-old boy falsely accused of sexually assaulting a woman in a convenience store after he accidentally brushed her with his backpack while walking past her. (He’s black; she’s white.)
These are all issues worth discussing, though the spin that the Men’s Rightsers put on these stories can be, well, a little eccentric, to say the least.
Uh, the problem with this woman isn’t her age, her looks or her allegedly “predatory” nature — there was nothing sexually predatory about her actions at all — but the fact that she’s a racist asshole who called the police on a black child who accidentally brushed against her.
But that’s a whole other can of worms. My point here is that Men’s Rights Redditors only seem interested in talking about the abuse or mistreatment of boys when women are (or are among) the perpetrators.
Indeed, they are so unwilling to acknowledge that men are often the perpetrators of this abuse and mistreatment that they are willing to completely write off the FOUR HUNDRED victims of Greg Stephen.
It’s almost as if the Men’s Rights movement isn’t about helping men or boys at all but is rather an excuse for a never-ending tantrum about the alleged evils of women and feminism.
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@spukikitty
Done.
Didn’t add any descriptive text, just named the thread Greg Stephen and posted the link.
Let’s watch what happens.
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@WWTH
I’m sorry to hear that your grandmother passed. I hope you can focus on your happy memories of her.
@SpukiKitty, @Everyone else
Those are some seriously cute animals. I’m always happy to let a kitten prove me wrong!
I’m sorry to hear about your grandmother, WWTH. Take care and be nice to yourself over the next few days…*internet hug*
@WWTH
All of the sympathies 🙁 Take care of yourself.
And here is an adorable rescue beaver… named JB, for Justin Beaver:
@WWTH: Sorry to hear about your grandmother. I know it’s a cliche, but she will always live in your heart.
My condolences, Weirwoodtreehugger.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/proud-boys-republican-club-wwii-fascists.html
The bigot-in-chief has swept off the fence… now, there are no more “uncommitted”. Either you are antifascist, or you are fascist
wwth and anyone else who’s experienced a loss – My condolences to you. I wish for you someone with whom you can talk and share remembrances. It helped me so much.
I’m coming up on the third anniversary of my dad’s death (in three days) and it’s still hard for me. I had a beloved aunt to turn to until she, too died the following September. I was still calling her once a week until then. Not to downplay the other people in my life that I could (and did) talk to, but my aunt was the one of the only ones who knew my dad better than I did and I always felt so much more at peace when we talked.
I think I’m starting to understand *some* of why older people are the way they are; you get to a certain age and you have to cope with a lot more loss. It wears on you.
I remember a post on this site where Paul Elam or one of the other obnoxious scumbags in the MRA movement was quoted going in a single breath from complaining about how prison rape is not taken seriously to making a joke about prison rape without any evident awareness of what he was doing.
MRAs don’t give a shit about the victims of sexual assault, male or female, child or adult; all they care about is preserving and perpetuating a social order in which sexual assault is normalised and excused. Their actions speak louder than their mealy mouths on this.
@WWTH
Hugs.
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I took Chai to the vet for a check up. All good, and she’s older than I thought at about 8 weeks. Which means she will definitely keep those gorgeous blue eyes.
So there’s been like 4 comments, a couple of which seem sincere and decent, a couple of which are trolling.
So in answer to those wondering what would happen if a thread about this got posted… not much.
@WWTH: I’m sorry for your loss.
My own grandmother died back in June. My aunt, my cousin and I used to go to her house on Sunday mornings to help with chores. We went there this morning one last time as the house will be sold soon; bittersweet but we will have our memories.
That was vaiyt, not me. But I agree with vaiyt’s assessment.
Awesome! Can’t wait for the results! Would be a great subject for the next WHtM article.
@WWTH my condolences on your loss.
It is important to view the MRM not as some sort of kaleidoscope of misogyny and malformed thoughts but as a very deliberate and very well-organized conservative agitprop operation to oppose feminism.
The blatant double standard you’ve shown in this article David is what MRAs do all the time, namely attempt to either create a gender-neutral or male-oppressive view of ANY issue in order to obscure the gendered nature of the issue being discussed, in this case, sexual abuse of young boys, which is, to my knowledge, gendered.
It’s a tactic that the right uses a lot. Islamophobes will oftentimes label Islam as being the most violent threat to civilization while completely ignoring or actively cheerleading American imperialism. They will oftentimes grotesquely exaggerate quite reasonable objections to Islam while completely shouting down any criticism of US imperialism as being anti-American.
Horrible OT, the current administration has its sights on denying the existence of trans people altogether.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/us/politics/transgender-trump-administration-sex-definition.html?fbclid=IwAR3rm6sO-tWofMD80xie9s3xjW0G8fsCVT4LzMCpRoY9jHaRV9Sxb3RkQz0#click=https://t.co/qt5NrPgbM7
Fuck everything.
Alexis: thanks for the experiment! If you or someone has the stomach (I admit I don’t), experiment two would be to post the Greg Stephen link again, this time under a deliberately provocative headline like “400 male victims and nobody cares”.
In other words: can an outsider at least actively bait/ pressure them to care about a topic they claim to care about? I don’t even know what to guess.
@ vaiyt;
The right is a bigot’s idea of what social justice looks like
@Weirwood Treehugger: Let’s see if I can get this twerking mouse through for you:
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@Weirwood Treehugger: Given the above success, have some more:
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@WWTH <3 All my love to you and yours. I hope the grieving is gentle.
@3DS Guy, welcome!
@Weirwood
Condolences. May she rest in peace.
WWTH I’m so sorry for your loss. May her memory be a blessing to all who knew her. All the best to you and yours.
I think it’s time to break out the bucket of sloths.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/10/man-hating-lesbian-insult-reclaim-anger-metoo-activism.html