By David Futrelle
When an adult man hits on, or simply obsesses about, underage girls, most of u see that as predatory behavior. Heck, the word “predator” is even in the title of that old Dateline Series with Chris Hansen.
But not so fact! According to one ingenious fellow posting on the Incels.me forum, it’s not creepy for adult men like him to salivate over “prime jailbait.” It’s basically a form of sexual self-defense. You see, women age — no really! –and only by pursuing young teen girls can men protect themselves from getting trapped for life by a woman who will grow old and ugly on them.
“The point of getting with a 15-year-old girl isn’t just a preference for 15-year-old girls,” writes Leucosticte, a prolific commenter on Incels.me with nearly 1300 posts to his name. “it’s also a preference to NOT be stuck with an old hag for more years than is necessary.”
That’s the tl;dr. But the route Leucosticte takes to get to this conclusion is somehow even creepier than the conclusion itself. So let’s go through it.
Leucosticte starts off his post by portraying men as hapless victims of an army of purple-haired fat girls oppressing them by being purple-haired fat girls in their presence — thus preventing these poor fellows from getting the “looksmatched” partners that are evidently their birthright.
Most men these days, even betas, will not get their looksmatch. So many girls these days are mentally and physically unsuitable for producing offspring with, because they’re venereally-diseased sluts, morbidly obese landwhales, and/or borderline-personality-disordered, purple-haired, septum-pierced freaks, that there’s not much left to choose from, for those men who even have the luxury of a choice.
Such oppression!
That’s a tough pill to swallow, but what’s even worse is that women age a lot less gracefully than men. That means, even if — by some miracle, given the realities of today’s sexual marketplace — she starts out being your looksmatch, as time goes on, your looks will still be pretty close to what they are now, but hers will go into a much steeper decline.
By contrast, incels age like fine wine whine.
Eventually she’ll be an old hag who’s an embarassment to be seen with.
Because apparently the most important thing about having a girlfriend or wife is what complete strangers think about her looks relative to yours.
You see this all the time — a good-looking guy in, say, his 40s or 50s, is with his agematched wife, who’s now so wrinkly that she looks the creature from the black lagoon, only uglier.
Honestly, no, I don’t see that all the time. Sure, I’ve seen conventionally attractive men walking hand-in-hand with less conventionally attractive women, but I’ve also seen plenty of “pretty women out walking with gorillas down my street,” as the Joe Jackson song has it, Most of the time, though, the straight couples I’ve encountered in my life have tended to be roughly “looksmatched” — that is, both partners are similarly situated on that supposedly objective ten-point scale so beloved by pickup artists and incels alike.
I have yet to meet anyone who even vaguely resembles a fictional aquatic monster-person.
No matter how successful he may become, he’s still lower-status, in a way, than a teenaged Chad who gets to be with a fresh jailbait, because he doesn’t have that same privilege of enjoying that tight, youthful pussy.
I would offer some sort of rebuttal here but I’m too busy throwing up in my mouth a little.
Imagine working hard your whole life and realizing, your only reward is money and power that can’t be converted into the only currency that matters, i.e., sexual access to fertile teenage girls.
The only “currency” that matters to you, you creepy fuck.
As you become middle-aged, if you’ve stayed in good health, your dick will continue to be capable of getting just as hard as it does now (when you’re given the proper stimuli); but your wife’s pussy will loosen significantly over time, so it’s not just her form but also her function that will decline.
I would say something about it being pretty obvious that this guy has never actually been with an older woman, but it’s even more obvious that he has never been with any human females of any age.
You’ll be walking through the house and wonder, “What’s that weird smell?” and then realize, it’s just the accumulated sweat under her sagging breasts that’s starting to stink like an armpit.
Well this is a new one to me. I had no idea that middle-aged married men were being oppressed by their wives’ … underboob BO?
Her female appendages are no longer as pert and bouncy as they once were; they’ve fallen and they can’t get up. She needs to call Life Alert.
This is clearly a guy whose entire understanding of human anatomy comes from anime. It’s perhaps appropriate to point out that his avatar on Incels.me is an anime schoolgirl tied down on a deck.
This is all just part of marriage, but it should at least be staved off as long as possible into the future. The point of getting with a 15-year-old girl isn’t just a preference for 15-year-old girls (although that does have a certain allure); it’s also a preference to NOT be stuck with an old hag for more years than is necessary.
I’m going to let Jennifer Lawrence handle the response to this one.
Thet’s not really strong enough. Let’s have another go at it.
Still not enough.
Closer. Let’s add a bit of this:
And a couple of these:
Combine in pot. Bring to a boil, stirring occasionally.
When you’re forced to settle for an older foid, you not only get fewer years with her when she’s in her youthful prime, but you’re subjected to more years with her when she’s such a dessicated, walking corpse-like bag of decayed flesh that every day when you wake up in the morning and see her lying next to you, you panic initially before you sigh with relief to realize, it’s not actually the zombie apocalypse, but just another day with your wife.
Jennifer?
The world’s biggest pile of bullshit, possibly.
Still, it’s a real punch to the gut to realize (maybe after having had a nice dream of teenage pudenda) that she’s all you’ll EVER have from that point onward; and not only that, but her looks will continue declining even further until finally the grim reaper mercifully arrives to take her away.
Sorry, Ms. Lawrence, we’re still not done here yet.
Leucosticte keeps digging his hole deeper:
But even then, you STILL can’t get with a prime jailbait because that would be considered gross, disgusting, predatory, etc. even if you haven’t aged too badly and a lot of chicks would actually prefer an older man such as yourself.
We return you now to the red carpet where Jenifer Lawrence has some more thoughts on the question of whether young women are desperate to bang middle-aged incels.
Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse, Leucosticte brings in Ivanka Trump.
Why do you suppose Trump is so fond of Ivanka? He got to be with her throughout her youthful prime, and she’s still a lot younger than him.
WHAT!? Is Leucosticte confusing Melania (Trump’s latest wife) with Ivanka (his favorite daughter)? Or does he actually mean to say Ivanka.
As [Trump] says, 35 is check-out time. But, if you’re not allowed to check out, at least if you’ve been with her since she was, say, 15, that’s 20 years of memories you can treasure and look back on as you’re trying to get aroused enough to get an erection you can shove into the cleft between the arthritic legs of the half-mummified living carcass that is her body.
Come on, man, you’re making J Law go dead inside.
Leucosticte now decides to bring Brett Kavanaugh into the mess.
I think the reason Kavanaugh mentioned he was a virgin throughout high school and college is to make the point, “I didn’t even get ANY teenage pussy, so that makes it all the worse that now I have to pay a penalty as though I did try to rape a girl in her nubile prime. I should at least get to do the crime if I’m going to do the time.”
Er,
I’m not sure how much more of this I can take.
He spent all those decades orbiting dozens of chicks, and people don’t even want to consider those girls’ statements about his character credible. If he doesn’t get confirmed,
(This was posted before Kavanaugh was confirmed.)
he might as well just flip out and go ER [Elliot Rodger], because that means the Senators think he’s a rapist, which for him would be the epitome of getting cucked.
Yes, that’s right. He honestly suggested that if Kavanaugh hadn’t been confirmed to the supreme court, he would have been reasonable for him to go murder a bunch of people as revenge for the fact that he didn’t score himself some “primo jailbait” back in high school
That’s how these guys think.
L Jaw, any thoughts from you on this weird twist ending to Leucosticte’s terrible post?
Aw, crap. I think Leucosticte broke Jennifer Lawrence. I feel kind of bad for bringing her into the middle of all this in the first place.
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Agreed. More pointless cruelty is not the answer. Making them suffer doesn’t make anything better. We should focus on whatever will turn them into a relic of the barbaric past.
And, occasionally, give each other a hug, to get through this shit.
True on all counts. Even a written fantasy like that fic idea is a pile of wrong. If such a thing were written, it would be shown as just as terrible as the victim’s actions and that we shouldn’t become the monsters we abhor.
Pardon the thread-derail, but definitely of interest to readers of the site. Over at The Guardian’s Books section an article has gone up reporting from the Cheltenham literature festival trashing Mr Darcy’s reputation as a romantic hero. Subtitled “Writer Dolly Alderton says the ‘conceited’ Jane Austen character invented negging”, they go on to report:
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(Obligatory Kate Beaton link)
“Imagine working hard your whole life and realizing, your only reward is money and power that can’t be converted into the only currency that matters, i.e., sexual access to fertile teenage girls.”
Oh, I dunno…money is nice. You can brag about money to your friends, just as you might brag about a woman. And money’s much more flexible than a woman is: it can be converted into any number of other things, a trait which a woman doesn’t share. You can buy cool stuff with money, but with a woman all you get is…her. In fact, Leucosticte, your brothers have been talking about the ways in which money is preferable to women for literally ages. (See Francis Bacon, for a start.) No, I don’t know that I agree with you on this one. After all, the idea behind the myth of the start of the Trojan War is that Paris made the wrong choice. True?
I think this guy has neither life nor job nor change of clothes…which explains his hatred of women and vast amount of time he can waste whining on the Internet about his failure to attract a hottie.
He’s an object of pity, which is a step away from contempt.
Leucosticte(and the rest of the Incel clan) has achieved the impossible and that is to make my skin physically crawl!. My better half and myself are both over 50 years old and have a great relationship. She’s sexy, she’s my best friend and I wouldn’t leave her for anybody.So the idea that I would better off with a girl under the age of consent horrifying to me. P.S love your website and keep up the good work.
Sadly; Despite being a hyper-misogynist nonce with no job who lives with his parents, he still managed to get married….TWICE (As far as we know he’s still hitched with the second one).
Good news, though; According to Wikipedia, he’s no longer seeking custody of this daughter.
TWO MARRIAGES? WHY? HOW?
What were they, mail-order brides?
I can’t understand this…the more I see of people, the more I like dogs.
A bit OT, but it does talk about how men are scared these days, and why a lot of women are looking at those men and saying, “Must be nice to be scared of little things.”
http://youtu.be/N34hehRgw9g
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Just take all the incels and all the TERFs and ship them off to some uninhabited island. They deserve each other, after all.
Why is the only time my 2nd bus is ever on time is when my 1st bus is late, causing me to just miss the 2nd bus and have to wait 20 minutes (assuming the next one is on time, big if) in the rain for the next one? Why does a popular route only run every 20 minutes during rush hour when it’s always packed? Fucking hell. I hate this country and its shitty car only infrastructure. And we’re one of the better cities for public transit. I can’t imagine the hell people in other cities go through.
I remember reading about Larson a few years ago. It’s dispiriting that he’s still wasting oxygen.
There’s a great bit in one of my favorite podcasts, an episodic noir detective show called Black Jack Justice. For context, the main character has been kidnapped by some gangsters who are beating her up for convoluted reasons, which is unusual for a character who usually ends up saving everyone else’s ass, but not particularly violent or startling in the context of her universe. (I’m paraphrasing because I’m not going to go hunting for the episode. It’s the thought that counts.)
Bad guy: Better watch your mouth, Miss Dixon. My boys might feel the need to be rough with you. A little wear and tear looks well on a man, but never on a woman.
Miss Dixon, literally spitting blood at this juncture: It doesn’t look well on a man, either. Those bags under your eyes, the gray hair, the extra fifteen pounds the business girls don’t notice? It doesn’t make you look distinguished, it makes you look old, fat, and used up.
Anyway, he’s terribly affronted and has her beaten up some more, and then slightly later she shoots him and all his minions in the face, because that’s the sort of show it is, but that moment has stuck with me for years. It’s so rare to challenge the assumption that women immediately turn into Raiders of the Lost Ark face melts at age 25 and men are just sexy forever, but it… It’s a weird premise? Aging effects individual people differently and usually has some negative effect on the perception of conventional attractiveness eventually, but to believe it effects women differently than men across the board you’d think you’d have to unquestioningly believe women’s value was rooted entirely in the blandest possible perception of faintly sexualized attractiveness. The kind of misogyny you’d have to go out of your way to preserve in defiance of all actual reality. And yet you hear that one all the time. We need to get better at questioning lazy assumptions.
I wonder if there’s any significance to the fact that the kinds of things I find particularly attractive (brightly dyed hair, piercings, and tattoos) are anathema to these types of men?
@Chris Oakley
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Like, I understand the violent fantasies that pop up in our thoughts when we read horrific stuff like this – I absolutely get that – but can we not unload them here? Talking about anger, talking about having violent fantasies – all totally fine and even encouraged, but actually spelling them out? Feels like a bridge too far.
I’m not asking to be coddled or for a “safe space” or anything, just simple social maintenance stuff. Forums with a regular bubble of violent fantasizing is the realm of incels and goose-steppers. We need to have better community hygiene than that.
@ Wetherby
TMI incoming. My husband is totally on your side on this one. Until I had my first vaginal birth, sex was incredibly painful *for him* because of how tight everything was down there.
@SpukiKitty
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I miss Chris Hanson.
You really could just attach a Chris Hansen gif to every post here and it would always be relevant.
@Fierce, Bad Rabbit
No doubt unusual for a badass fighting action girl to be a victim who’s repeated beaten by some goons….even James Bond had moments where he met an enemy he (at least initially) couldn’t fight. Even Babe Ruth struck out….However; It sounds like she still remains her awesome heroic self and spars with words. I admire that. If an action girl gets physically overpowered, she can’t be verbally, mentally or emotionally.
Your Crimefighter Detective hero sounds like Princess Leia; Even when she’s in a “damsel in distress” role, she not a “damsel in distress” and ends up destroying the baddies in the end.
From what little you’ve described; She sounds like that….and from what it sounds like, she finally got to one up her captors, fight back, blow their faces off and rescue herself! I like that.
And the retort she makes to that guy was beautiful!
I always wondered if the real point of rape or gender-based abuse was less about damaging the body but more about damaging the mind and psyche. If that’s the case then I think there should be a way….if one fails at physically defending themselves….to defend themselves mentally and not be that mentally messed up inside.
Dixon seemed to get punched a lot but my point’s the same.
RAPE SURVIVOR: “Ha! I’ve quickly recovered and won’t let you ruin my life, buddy, and I’m on the warpath to get your butt in jail no matter how awful the process is to do so!”
HER RAPIST: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! My nefarious plan to give her PTSD and a load of neuroses as failed!”
It was just a thought.
I looked up Black Jack Justice on TV Tropes and I was right about Trixie Dixon.
Also; Black Jack is the main character and he and Trixie fight crime and are basically equals.
That sounds neat. It sounds like a radio show in the shade of old-timey detective shows.
Trump married Melania when she was 35. If they are correct, why didn’t he marry a 19 year old instead?
Strange how the post of this guy makes me remember of the telomere guy, with the common point of the combined fear of aging and pathetic excuse for pedophilia/creepiness upon young persons…
Wow, this was really getting me down because I wonder like everyday if I’m losing my looks at 24, and then someone pointed out that it’s Nathan Larson, one of the worst people in this country. Of course the guy who would refer to his own kids as “fucktoys” would think this way.
I think it’s hilarous how these guys think teenage girls are impressed by them.
I remember being teenage and being creeped on by older guys. All my friends were also being creeped on by older guys. We were well aware of their intentions, and we thought they were disgusting. We used to have fun running circles around them; if they weren’t too scary and we were in a group, we’d get them to buy us alcoholic drinks so we could get trashed for free, before bailing out the side entrance. Then we would go home and do impressions of them to each other. If it was the modern day, we’d probably covertly film them on our phones as well.
I have no guilt about this because, as a teenage girl, if you’re going to have to put up with hours of older guys being creepy you may as well get something out of it.
I cannot imagine this has changed. Old men (which, to a 15-year-old, is anyone over 30) desperately chasing young girls are a laughing stock to those girls. Always were, always will be. I cannot believe these guys don’t see that.