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Nazi trolls claimed “Aryan Goddess” Taylor Swift as one of their own. Now she’s publicly supporting Dems — and the trolls are losing it

Taylor Swift liked this meme on Instagram

By David Futrelle

Several years ago, alt-right trolls decided to claim Taylor Swift as one of their own, trying to convince the world that she was some sort of undercover Nazi  waiting for the right moment to start preaching her fashy message openly.

The Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin was perhaps the most energetic promoters of the Nazi Taylor Swift meme, describing the singer as “Aryan Goddess Taylor Swift: Nazi Avatar of the White European People” and posting memes passing off Hitler quotes as hers.

Sunday night, Swift put the Nazi Taylor Swift meme definitively to rest with an Instagram post announcing her support for two Democratic candidates in her home state of Tennessee and declaring that she “cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for ALL Americans, no matter their skin color, gender or who they love.”

Alt-rightists and their fellow travelers have reacted to the news with furious denunciations of Swift’s alleged betrayal of her fans, some of them apparently forgetting that the Nazi Swift memes were supposed to be a big joke on the libs. Over on the Nazi-infested Twitter alternative Gab, former fans and pop-music haters alike competed to see who could throw the most vile invective her way.

 Robert G @SeekingTruth4Bob 2 hours ago Taylor " the slut" Swift wont get anymore of my dollars. She should have kept her liberal pie hole shut & her knees together for Mr 100. Breitbart News Tweets ✔️ @BreitbartNewsTweets 📰 News 3 hours ago Taylor Swift Fans Furious over Democrat Endorsement: ‘Be Quiet and Sing!’

 Teri Davis Newman @TeriDavisNewman Donor an hour ago I've bought my last Taylor Swift album. 5 years ago. Fuck her for being an anti-American cunt.

Shepherd 🙏 @Shepherd 7 hours ago · in Better than Taylor Swift Taylor swift is just another satanist

Some loudly professed to be TOTALLY NOT SHOCKED by her move.

 GrayCardinal @GrayCardinal 42 minutes ago · in News Taylor Swift... A young, white wahman who's a shallow, weak-minded, childless, feminist, faggot-loving, nigger-sympathizing, kike-sucking, SJW, race-traitor... This is an absolute SHOCK. NO ONE could have predicted this. I simply cannot BELIEVE it.One Gabber blamed … the Illuminati, I guess?

 Twilight Zone @TwilightZone PRO 2 hours ago Poor Taylor Swift moved to the plantation of ignorance but must be her time to pay the piper for all the wealth she was thrust into to have her followers cast that vote based on a music stripper of morals

Another insinuated that the Pepes of the world would soon be uncovering her alleged crimes against humanity. I think.

 Lars @simplton888 PRO 7 hours ago so long devil girl ... you have crapped in your nest this time .. just wait till the frogs dig your past .... bad mistake.

But no one seemed more worked-up about Taylor’s swift kick in the right-wing’s nuts than The Daily Stormer’s Anglin, who quickly spat forth an extravagantly misogynistic thousand-word diatribe explaining how TOTALLY NOT SURPRISED he was by Swift’s announcement and how the REAL SUCKERS were the “retarded” reporters who (allegedly) took the Nazi Taylor Swift thing all SUPER SERIOUS, not the Nazi incels fantasizing about Swift becoming their own personal Eva Braun.

“[J]ust to be clear here,” Anglin wrote.

Taylor Swift is not an “Aryan Goddess” – that was a viral marketing campaign to make the media look retarded and to make us look clever. Swift is just another stupid whore, like all women.

Elsewhere in the post, though, Anglin wondered aloud

how much of Taylor Swift’s image as a probable conservative was marketing and how much of it was actually a reflection of a direction that she personally wanted to go in.

Huh. Sort of sounds like Anglin just might have duped himself into thinking that Swift was “a probable conservative,” even though there was never any evidence that this was so. 

Much of  Anglin’s post was devoted to the exceedingly dubious proposition that Swift is a bitter, unhappy “childless old bitch” who wasted her years of prime fertility having a massively successful career as a pop star instead of settling down with some nice Aryan man and popping out a succession of perfect white babies. And now, having reached the ripe old age of, er, 28, Swift is now feeling bitter and mad.

“Taylor Swift was popular largely because she was beautiful,” Anglin asserted, warning his young male followers to resist the lure of young female hotness.

whatever emotions you may feel when looking at a beautiful woman are just chemicals in your brain driving you to reproduce. Love for a woman is not real, as it is not metaphysical love, but the result of the very most base primal drive. The reason that your brain releases these “love” chemicals is because otherwise you would just rape a bitch and slit her throat, or leave her to die alone in the wilderness rather than deal with her endless scheming bullshit.

This is probably a bit more revealing than Anglin intended it to be

The only reason that a woman is beautiful is that she evolved that trait to appeal to men, so that higher quality men would wish to inseminate her and then not kill her or leave her to die afterward, instead providing material resources for her and her offspring. Female beauty has no biological – or for that matter, metaphysical – purpose other than to attract men for the purpose of procreation.

And the singular purpose of a woman’s existence is to procreate.

If they don’t succeed at this mission, Anglin argues, they get mad:

[A]s women age without children, they inevitably become more and more bitter, as it becomes clearer that their lives have no meaning.

So it’s no surprise that, in Anglin’s mind, the bitter old Swift is now letting herself be used as a pawn by Jewish music producers and Democratic party operatives.

Anglin wraps up his rant with some reflections on the “feral” nature of women that read very much like a rather elaborate attempt to console Nazi dudes who are hurt that their purebred “Aryan goddess” has gone over to the other side.

Understand: women are all the same.

They are interchangeable, in fact, the only objective value in any of them being measured by their genetics.

The idea of a “good woman” is a stupid feminist myth. Inversely, the idea of a “bad woman” is used to justify feminism’s effects on women.

In fact, like any dumb animal, there are “feral women” and “well-trained women,” as well as “purebred women” and “mutt women.”

The purebred aspect is no longer really a deciding factor in anything, as all women are now feral, and thus weapons to use in the destruction of white men. …

Fact of life: All women are animalistic whores by their very nature, all are incapable of feeling masculine emotions relating to moral imperatives, such as guilt and empathy.

The sooner you learn that fact and internalize all of its implications, the sooner you will be free.

Yeah,he’s pretty much TOTALLY NOT MAD. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone more NOT MAD than this.

Nazi dudes, might I be so bold as to suggest that maybe you should shake it off?

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Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

“All women are subhuman, unthinking animals that we would happily rape and murder if they weren’t pretty! … Wait, why aren’t women lining up to join our righteous cause?! Waaaaahh!”

I just hope that none of these festering assholes decide to try to take out their rage on Taylor Swift, or on the other women in their lives.

Alexisagirlsname
Alexisagirlsname
2 years ago
Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
2 years ago

Off-topic, but in the latest “HOLY S^&*!” development to come out of the Trump Administration Nikki Haley has just resigned as UN ambassador:

Reuters: Haley out as UN ambassador

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

The rain of right-wing snowflake tears is about to increase by an order of magnitude:

Taylor Swift activates unprecedented flood of new voter registrations nationwide

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

Swift’s music is pretty apolitical, but Springsteen is overtly leftist and always has been. How could you listen and yet miss that?

Springsteen’s “working class white man” is Tom Joad… the trumpling right’s is Tom Brady….

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
2 years ago

@Weird Eddie: Considering Brady and most of his Patriots teammates skipped the White House visit after the Super Bowl last year, I’m not so sure he was ever really that big of a Trump fan in the first place.

Quick update on the Nikki Haley story: according to the Boston Globe, her resignation doesn’t take effect until the end of the year. Still, it’s a sign of just how far the Trump White House is sliding off the rails.

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

@Cheerful Warthog: Thanks for checking out the Twilight Zone episodes! I also recommend “Four O’Clock”, which is about a troll-ish right-wing fanatic whose crusade against “evil” people (basically, everyone but himself) results in an ironic comeuppance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_O'Clock_(The_Twilight_Zone)

Oh, and sorry, Nazis, but you and Taylor are never, ever, ever getting back together. Not that you were actually together in the first place.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle,

Oh yes Nazi losers, how does it feel to know that your “Aryan Goddess” doesn’t approve of you? I guess you better repent or you’re going to musical Hell

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Is this a good time to bring up the time Paul Ryan said he’s a Rage Against the Machine fan and Tom Morello wrote an editorial absolutely destroying him?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-246033/amp/

It’s truly evergreen.

I really cannot comprehend how someone so right wing could ever listen to and like Rage. It just doesn’t compute. There’s zero ambiguity about what they stand for.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

Since the Alt-Wrong tend to try to co-opt non-Alt-Wrong things as a weird propaganda & trolling tactic….

https://qz.com/1137806/a-complete-list-of-brands-white-supremacists-have-given-their-unwanted-endorsement/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-alt-right-product-endorsement-20171117-story.html

….As the second article shows; Taylor Swift pretty much has no choice but to let her true political beliefs known.

It’s still possible to enjoy the product of someone who’s politics don’t match yours (it works if it’s always pretty much apolitical). I am a fan of MST3K and one of the hosts, Mike Nelson, is a full-blown GOPer.

However; Mike still manages to be funny, clever, adorkable and cool and very little of his more “questionable” political beliefs seeps into his humor. He’s mostly apolitical.

Joel; Whom I LOVE, is the more Left-leaning one.

I don’t know much about the new guy in the Netflix revival, Jonah, though. I don’t have Netflix, either.

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

@SpukiKitty: Two more MST3K progressives! “TV’s Frank” Conniff posts all sorts of left-wing snark on his Facebook and Twitter accounts. Recent example:

Dr. Ford mistook her attacker for Brett Kavanaugh because she knew Brett Kavanaugh, and he looked exactly like Brett Kavanaugh, and he behaved exactly like Brett Kavanaugh, plus he was Brett Kavanaugh, so you can see how she’d be confused and get it wrong.

And Conniff’s successor on the current series is the equally awesome, and equally liberal, Patton Oswalt.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

I’ve been out of the loop with a bad head cold the past few days, so I’m not sure if others posted this or not, but Robyn Pennacchia over at Wonkette posted this outstanding summation of the current right-wing mindset:

https://www.wonkette.com/trump-didnt-win-in-spite-of-the-access-hollywood-tape-but-because-of-it

I gotta admit, it sums up a lot of how I felt over the years. I find myself falling back into nostalgia for the 90s, and I used to think it was just because that was when I was young and things seemed simpler. But I think there’s more to it than that, and Robyn nails it on the head here:

Trumpists like to blame Obama for the social strife in this country. In their collective imaginations, everything was fine before he was elected, everyone got along and life was a 1990s Sunny D commercial. They never heard about racism, they never heard about sexual assault, they never heard about police brutality, they never heard about trans rights, they never heard about half of the problems in this country — and it’s not that those issues didn’t exist, it’s just that they never really had to hear about them.

I don’t think it’s even just Trumpists, I think it’s every reactionary out there. GamerGaters, 4chan trolls, Trump-worshipping retirees, if there’s a commonality among them, it’s their disdain for having to hear about the things that us SJWs care about so much. There’s a reason that particular acronym is known by all of them now, and why all their culture war issues center around “speech” and “immigration.” Jordan Peterson made his bones bellyaching about non-binary pronouns, something that I would not have known about were it not for social media. These concepts, these discussions, they’re happening now, so as much as reactionaries wish that we could go back to a time before we had to know or care about other genders or other cultures, well, that bird flew the coop long ago and there’s no getting it back in.

They’re clearly having a hard time with it:

The things the Right truly wants cannot be achieved legislatively. This is why they are still so angry — because Donald Trump was supposed to bring about social change, he was supposed to give them cultural capital, he was supposed to give them their social power back. They were supposed to be “tired of winning.” He was supposed to change the narrative around to make them the heroes instead of the villains.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

I found this article which give a great insight into the mindset of the Far-Right and why they believe and do what they do (as well as help me comprehend why women like Susan Collins exist)….

https://www.wonkette.com/trump-didnt-win-in-spite-of-the-access-hollywood-tape-but-because-of-it

….In a nutshell, some people are so used to privilege that any change will set them off. They literally cannot function in a world without strict rules, boundaries and hierarchies.

They believe that humans are a literal, strict, unbreakable hierarchy and that as long as everyone stuck in “their place”….even accepting abuses from those higher in the “food chain”….life and society would go smoothly.

They have an overblown “Just World Fallacy” mindset and assume that if a person lower in the hierarchy is being abused, they did something wrong and deserve it.

They believe only “bad people” suffer….also….
* If a person is raped, they somehow brought it on themselves.
* Someone “higher” in the hierarchy is entitled to rape a person “lower” in the hierarchy, if they want to (and rape’s ‘just sex’ and therefore can’t possibly be THAT earth-shattering).
* If a Black, Latino, etc. is a victim of a hate crime, they were uppity and not super-service to the “White Masters”.
* LGBTQs are perverted freaks who deserve abuse just for existing.
* And so on….all of the list being bogus (but they believe it).

….In a bizarre, twisted way, women like the late Phyllis Schlafly, Sen. Susan Collins and Ann Coulter probably don’t see themselves as “self-hating misogynists”.
* They genuinely see themselves as the “defenders of true womanhood” and that they see women as inherently lower in the hierarchy and valued by how sweet, submissive and “lady-like” they are (which makes the case of loudmouth miniskirted, stiletto-heeled, single and childless ‘quasi-dominatrix’ Ann Coulter rather hilarious).

With all the above in mind, we now know the reason for the absurdity of the Far-Right.
* They get off on power, control and bullying.
* They have a strong, “Might Makes Right” mindset.
* They believe in a strict hierarchy ordained by Deity and/or Nature.
* Those who were victims of hate were so due to being “uppity”.
* Bad stuff only happens to bad people.
* They literally cannot function without rigidity, rules, strict boundaries, hierarchies, “Black & White”-thinking, etc.
* They literally can’t conceive anything ambiguous or “Grey”.
* They are very insecure and easily scared.

….Far-Righties are pitiful people.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

personalpest
October 9, 2018 at 11:51 am

@SpukiKitty: Two more MST3K progressives! “TV’s Frank” Conniff posts all sorts of left-wing snark on his Facebook and Twitter accounts. Recent example:

Dr. Ford mistook her attacker for Brett Kavanaugh because she knew Brett Kavanaugh, and he looked exactly like Brett Kavanaugh, and he behaved exactly like Brett Kavanaugh, plus he was Brett Kavanaugh, so you can see how she’d be confused and get it wrong.

And Conniff’s successor on the current series is the equally awesome, and equally liberal, Patton Oswalt.

HECK, YES! I’m also familiar with Conniff! He even would occasionally show up on shows like The Daily Show (With John Stewart) and The Colbert Report back in the day.

I remember him doing a weird skit where he’s a survivalist and another involving him “Fighting The War on Christmas”. His Tweets get some action, too.

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

@Katamount: Thank you for bringing up that brilliant Wonkette column! That’s one of the sites that keeps me sane during this terrible era, along with Roy Edroso’s blog and, of course, WHTM.

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

@Katamount and @SpukiKitty: Thank you for bringing up those brilliant Wonkette columns! That’s one of the sites that keeps me sane during this terrible era, along with Roy Edroso’s blog and, of course, WHTM.

personalpest
personalpest
2 years ago

Sorry about the double post. David, could you please delete the first one? (And maybe this one too once it’s no longer needed.)

Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

Women are not capable of love, apparently. Not “metaphysical love”.

I wonder what Anglin defines “metaphysical lover” as? What he does? Mmm… not so convincing.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@personalpest

Thanks a bunch!

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@Katamount

My ADHD struck again. I posted your link as a link I found, completely forgetting that I found that link by clicking on yours last night.

I’m so sorry, man.

I surf a lot online and find a lot of articles and I lost track. It was also late-at-night and my short-term-memory isn’t what it used to be.

I feel so dopey.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

@ Katamount, SpukiKitty; re: wonkette article

cool shirt
comment image

The anthem protest is an issue which make SO CLEAR the idea that reactionaries don’t actually care

The argument is, protesting during the national anthem is “inappropriate”…. When the discussion (if there is one) which follows is carried to its conclusion, the conclusion is always the same: The place where protesting of national ills IS appropriate??? WHEREVER WHITE PEOPLE DON’T HAVE TO HEAR IT!!!

I bought the t-shirt for my son… they had another of Kaepernick kneeling with his knee in trump’s face… but, nah, he’ll get in trouble with that shirt…. 🙂 🙂

one thing that trumpism HAS done, is washed off the fence rail… it’s pretty clear these days (imho, anyway) who stands with whom….

Had a minor crisis with my former bosses, trumplings both… after Charlotte they had an existential crisis, which I fanned by telling them “if you stand up for something, you can gauge the righteousness of your cause by looking at whom you’re standing WITH”

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

*Charlottesville*

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The nostalgia for the eighties or nineties as a less political time is funny to me. Perhaps people are more heated now, but not by that much.

Some things I remember from my childhood up till my first two years of college in 98 and 99 were

A kiddie version of a discussion on on itersectiomalityI had with a 3rd grade classmate that would enrage any alt-right person as I was a white girl and my classmate a black boy. We decided that you can’t hate on any race or class of people without hating all of humanity because there is only one human race.

Environmentalism was a big topic in the early nineties. I was really into it and wore lots of jewelry and clothing with the earth on it to advertise my stance. My school did lots of things on earth day every year.

Discussions in school about why celebrating Columbus day is problematic. I remember this from around 5th or 6th grade.

One year my school commemorated MLK day by having the entire student body, staff and faculty join hands and sing We Shall Overcome.

In junior high there was a scandal because someone wrote homophobic graffiti about a staff member.

When I was a teenager Free Tibet was all the rage. Then there was Lilith Fair, which was explicitly intended to be feminist. Around this time Rush Limbaugh exploded in popularity and coined the term “feminazi.”

I participated in a walk out at school because the school’s police officers were accused of brutality and the school didn’t do anything about it.

College was well, college. People were just as political then as they are today. I got in many a heated argument with Republican students.

This is not a comprehensive list. Just snippets.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

SpukiKitty,

Since the Alt-Wrong tend to try to co-opt non-Alt-Wrong things as a weird propaganda & trolling tactic….

Let’s not forget Furies and My Little Pony Friendship is Magic! Two things I have a feeling the original Nazi regime wouldn’t tolerate, ironically.

Deleted Comments: Nazis And Furries And My Little Pony Because Man, People Suck
https://www.wonkette.com/deleted-comments-nazis-and-furries-and-my-little-pony-because-man-people-suck

Not sure how much of it is trolling through, and how much of it is just these little hate mongers desperate to find something in pop culture that supports their disgusting cause.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

Collins just “made a mistake”…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/09/susan-collinss-wrong-claim-planned-parenthood-supreme-court-justices/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4cd9241ddb2e

She’s in with the ‘publican’ts who “believed he was a predator… but didn’t care”

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie

An awesome shirt! Tells the whole message right there!

Hopefully you’ve planted a seed of decency in your bosses.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

@Marshmallow Stacey

Women are not capable of love, apparently. Not “metaphysical love”.

Or the masculine emotions of EMPATHY AND GUILT.

(Only towards other men, of course. No sense empathizing with chemical hallucinations.)

It’s such a weird claim to make, considering all the vile incel/alt right celebrating and shitpost posturing that goes on every time there’s a mass shooting. Not a thought is spared for the victims and the bereaved families, and the effect their piling on might have on them. They’re too afraid of looking weak around each other.

I can’t imagine these guys voluntarily going anywhere near empathy unless it’s packaged in industrial diamond plate metal, smells like a tire store, and has a name like DELTA FORCE EMPATHY FIRST STRIKE BRAVO SQUADRON.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ Marshmallow Stacey Maximal:

Women are not capable of love, apparently. Not “metaphysical love”.
I wonder what Anglin defines “metaphysical lover” as? What he does? Mmm… not so convincing.

It’s like they read Plato’s “The Symposion,” and took it to extremes while also missing all the gay implications.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I know. My teens were spent in the 90s and being “woke” was already all-the-rage.

For me; 1990s nostalgia for political reasons makes more sense for those who miss the relative “innocence” of the pre-911 world….It seemed stuff like The Cold War/”Russia is our enemy”, Fighting unpopular wars like in Vietnam, and a bunch of other crummy stuff seemed to be “in the past”.

Glastnost & Peristroka! The Iron Curtain has fallen! The Eastern Bloc are now out friends! No more tyranny!

Terrorists are not a big deal and mainly hijack planes for ransom-type reasons or kidnap hostages (for the same reasons….ransom….and they don’t instantly kill right away with a beheading).

The only epic-badness is in places like Rwanda, Somalia and the former Yugoslavia. Our mid-east war lasted a week or two and we won it and freed Kuwait. Our worst terrorist attack was a white American guy with a Ryder truck and we caught him soon after.

And airport security wasn’t a gauntlet of overly-grabby and often authoritarian TFA agents.

You get my drift?

We had no idea much going on on Kuwait was propaganda.

We had no idea that Yeltsin was a terrible, horribly inept Russian President and the former Soviet Union was in some ways economically worse off….or that newly-elected Putin would turn out to be a real-life Bond villain (at the time they elected Putin, Putin actually seemed to be a more competent man who got things back on track. Putin basically ‘Pulled a Mugabe’….Starting off decent, better and competent only to reveal themselves as the nasty tyrants they really are).

We had no idea that some terrorist bunch we never heard of could be capable of pulling off a huge, multi-pronged kamikaze-style attack on U.S. soil….or that our sophisticated, highly-funded, high-tech intelligence agencies would be too incompetent or out-of-step with each other to stop it in time.

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@CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

Reactionaries who are into My Little Pony FiM make me face-palm BIG TIME!

I mean….WHAT DO THEY SEE IN IT? THERE NOTHING THERE TO MISCONSTRUE AS ANYTHING BUT PROGRESSIVE!

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@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
I know! They wouldn’t know “empathy & guilt” if it hit them in the face with a muskellunge!

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Also….(darn re-edit timer ran out)….I find it hilarious that these guys babble about being the sex of Logic & Reason yet prefer not using those things to solve disputes.

I don’t see much “Logic & Reason” in solving everything with macho ultraviolence….yet these guys embrace that and find “reasoned debate”, “diplomacy” and “talking things out” as wimpy and unmanly.

Kit Kat
Kit Kat
2 years ago

@SpukiKitty

That’s a very interesting theory. I am wondering however if this kind of mentality which the Far Right (can we call them fascists?) have is more a feature than a bug of American politics and society as a whole.

Looking back at its history, America was basically built on a ‘Might Makes Right’ mentality (see the Trail of Tears for one), and maintained a strict hierarchy as the basis of its society (especially so in the antebellum South). Therefore, when mass movements such as the Civil Rights one and the Anti Vietnam War one became pronounced in the national consciousness, the reaction was always hardline because they upset (or threatened to) the balance of power which was derived from the strict hierarchy (both race and economic wise).

I think especially with the Anti Vietnam War Movement, you could make a case for the extension of this ‘Might Makes Right’, hierarchical mentality into America’s foreign policy as well. For example, in the 1950s when the old European powers were scrambling to maintain their empires in Africa and South East Asia, the Eisenhower administration tended to side with its long standing European allies over nascent independence movements in countries such as Vietnam, the Congo and Algeria. This was often done by non action – Eisenhower allegedly always had an excuse to go golfing whenever the leader of a newly independent African state visited the US.

The other side of this kind of foreign policy was the belief that any perceived challenge to the US’ or its allies’ interests was somehow caused by the spread of communism. Thus, the Viet Minh’s and National Liberation Front’s main crime was challenging US and allied interests – i.e. a capitalism vs communism ideological war. In reality, it more often than not a colonialism vs independence war. But because it upset the old hierarchy by bringing brown peoples’ concerns and interests to the same level as those of the former imperial powers’, it was unacceptable – and it was inherently communist because it imitated the October Revolution in Russia (i.e. old interests are kicked out, ‘lower’ classes’ interests elevated – in theory at least).

Two particularly interesting books which detail the evolution of the US’ foreign policy under Eisenhower, JFK and LBJ for anyone who may be interested are ‘JFK: Ordeal in Africa’ and ‘Betting On the Africans’. At risk of sounding like some kind of paid advertiser for these, I’ll just say that they are of particular interest to me as a college student!

To bring this back to the thread’s topic, these Far Righters seem to be more a chip off the old block in this regard. Interestingly, had they lived in the 50s and 60s, they would have been the first ones to accuse a Democrat presidential candidate of allowing those godless Reds to hack an election. Maybe they will try this tactic when a Democrat wins the Presidency next? Perhaps this may create Schrodinger’s Russian? Fascist and communist at the same time until the box is opened by the respective party? The possibilities!

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Weird Eddie

Collins just “made a mistake”…

I particularly like this bit of her response:

“I had never disregarded, disrespected or mocked survivors. That is just plain untrue,”

Leaving aside the fact that she was never accused of that, who on earth does she think she was standing with during that vote? I just have this surreal image of a bunch of republicans spending all their time with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears going ‘lalalalala i can’t hear you lalalala’ so as not to hear or see anything bad before toeing the party line because they don’t have the spine to do anything else.

Sinha
Sinha
2 years ago

His claim of women not having empathy is ironic, as if he had any shred of empathy, he would not be a racist or misogynist in the first place, and would be able to listen to and empathise with people physically different from him. Also, it’s funny how these misogynists/racists regularly accuse women of being too emotional and too empathetic, but then also claim women are monsters that have no emotions and lack empathy. The only thing these people are consistent with is being hateful and bitter.

Kit Kat
Kit Kat
2 years ago

@SpukiKitty

It’s interesting you say that America / the West didn’t know Yelstin was a bad President, considering the degree of CIA interference in Russian elections in the 90s and his public drunken antics. With Putin’s election in 2000, the criticism from the Western media (and right wing / ‘libertarian’ media in Russia) was almost immediate – the man did not even have a chance to sit down? This kind of criticism against Yelstin was considerably rarer, despite the new openness to the West and Western media.

From the perspective of the average Russian, Yeltsin did nothing to stop the free for all grabs in that decade, which not only caused a fall in his or her wages (if not a complete loss of a job) and the fall in infrastructure quality, but also a spike in crime rates (as mini mafias started sprouting up like wild mushrooms) as well as corruption. With the era of Putin, the worst excesses of that decade were (largely)curtailed, and the country began the long and slow journey toward recovery. So, for the average Russian, Putin as President is considered a vast improvement over Yeltsin. However, for the Russian oligarch, the opposite would of course be true (it wasn’t lost to the public that many of them chose to leave for the West in the early 00s).

However, the above does not necessarily make Putin an angel, and it is true that the Russian state still has far to go with regards to improvements (mainly because the old Tsarist power structures remained intact into the Soviet and Glasnost eras, but that’s a different story in itself). However, a lot of this ‘Putin has done a Mugabe’ mentality from the West is telling the average Russian only one thing: you (Russians) are wrong because you are not allowing us (the West) to use your resources as we see fit (as was done under Yeltsin w/ the oligarchs). Thus, to the public, Putin has done more of a Patrice Lumumba than a Mugabe by returning (part of) those resources to public ownership.

Finally, you can argue that Putin is from the perspective of the West a Bond villain, but this is dependent on the idea that Western interests in Russia and Eastern Europe and the ME are more important than those of those nations themselves. But this is quite… imperialist, and is a regression back to foreign policy I mentioned in my other post. In as such, by criticising Putin based only on his willingness to allow Western economic interests to use Russian resources, you are alienating the Russian middle and working classes, which will lead to further distrust and resentment (which will likely strengthen him as well).

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

I can’t imagine these guys voluntarily going anywhere near empathy unless it’s packaged in industrial diamond plate metal, smells like a tire store, and has a name like DELTA FORCE EMPATHY FIRST STRIKE BRAVO SQUADRON.

These idiots will buy anything if you put it in a black or camo-patterned box and prefix the name of it with “Tactical”.

@Pie:

I just have this surreal image of a bunch of republicans spending all their time with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears going ‘lalalalala i can’t hear you lalalala’ so as not to hear or see anything bad before toeing the party line because they don’t have the spine to do anything else.

Rapepublican group photo:

🙈 🙉 🙊

Maria
Maria
2 years ago

@ Kit Kat

That’s not true. Putin was very much praised by Western leaders and in Western media when he became president in 2000. Western criticism came later. He curtailed only the oligarchs that opposed him. The ones that deferred to him were left untouched. He and his family, former colleagues in the KGB and friends from St. Petersburg have manage to enrich themselves as much as any oligarch would. Their mansions in Russia are numerous. To be fair to Yeltsin, I doubt anyone could have turned the disastrous communist commando economy in Russia into a well-functioning market economy without failing abysmally. Putin’s rise to power coincided with the rise in energy prices. It is chiefly due to the favorable oil prices that the Russian economy started growing. Still, a large percentage of Russians live in poverty, corruption is rampant, and the average lifespan is low. During the 18 years of Putin’s rule, the Kremlin have manage to completely stifle every democratic tendency in Russia. Political murders are not uncommon, and the state media has a large appetite for exaggerations, plain lies, and blind praise for the sitting government.

Putin is not only a villain from a Western standpoint. He presents the most danger not to Western states, but to those countries unfortunate enough to share a border with an expansionist and may I say it, imperialistic Russia. Every week I read reports from Donbas that more soldiers have died in action, or more civilians have died from shelling or stepping on a mine. Though it does not receive much publicity, the South-Eastern part of Ukraine has now one of the world’s highest density of mines. Russian soldiers killed in action do not receive state recognition because the Kremlin denies having ever set a foot in Eastern Ukraine. Their families risk being vilified when they try to learn what happened to their sons or brothers.

I know some will try to always blame the West for every calamity that befalls the earth, but this is not necessary in Russia’s case. Their successes and failures are their own, and trying to shift the blame for Russia’s failure to develop a democratic, prosperous country onto Western states or the US in particular, is deeply disingenuous.

I have lived in Russia, I speak Russian, and have spent my entire life working on political development in post-Soviet countries. I am not American.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

SpukiKitty,

You wrote,

@CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

Reactionaries who are into My Little Pony FiM make me face-palm BIG TIME!

I mean….WHAT DO THEY SEE IN IT? THERE NOTHING THERE TO MISCONSTRUE AS ANYTHING BUT PROGRESSIVE!

They see what they want to see in it, I guess.

The Dude
The Dude
2 years ago

Love for a woman is not real, as it is not metaphysical love, but the result of the very most base primal drive. The reason that your brain releases these “love” chemicals is because otherwise you would just rape a bitch and slit her throat, or leave her to die alone in the wilderness rather than deal with her endless scheming bullshit.

Holy shit.

The only reason that a woman is beautiful is that she evolved that trait to appeal to men, so that higher quality men would wish to inseminate her and then not kill her or leave her to die afterward, instead providing material resources for her and her offspring. Female beauty has no biological – or for that matter, metaphysical – purpose other than to attract men for the purpose of procreation.

And the singular purpose of a woman’s existence is to procreate.

Holeeeeeeey shit.

They are interchangeable, in fact, the only objective value in any of them being measured by their genetics.

The idea of a “good woman” is a stupid feminist myth. Inversely, the idea of a “bad woman” is used to justify feminism’s effects on women.

In fact, like any dumb animal, there are “feral women” and “well-trained women,” as well as “purebred women” and “mutt women.”

The purebred aspect is no longer really a deciding factor in anything, as all women are now feral, and thus weapons to use in the destruction of white men. …

Fact of life: All women are animalistic whores by their very nature, all are incapable of feeling masculine emotions relating to moral imperatives, such as guilt and empathy.

Holy fucking shit.

That’s quite misogynist.

Why are women not running screaming from white supremacists?

SpleenyBadger
SpleenyBadger
2 years ago

“…all women are now feral, and thus weapons to use in the destruction of white men.”

Yes indeed. Tremble in fear, little man.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Kit Kat:

America was basically built on a ‘Might Makes Right’ mentality (see the Trail of Tears for one), and maintained a strict hierarchy as the basis of its society

While at the same time trying to convince everyone that they were a classless society, which helped stoke the whole ‘temporarily disadvantaged millionaires’ attitudes. Spend enough time talking about how there is no legal block to becoming one of the elite, and many people will fail to notice the scores of little impossibilities you put in the way to keep things as they are. Especially if they’re given someone else to look down on in the process.

@The Dude:

Why are women not running screaming from white supremacists?

Because many of them are brought up by white supremacists, and taught to believe that this is the way things are supposed to be, and that there is no point in trying to be any other way. Besides, white women are far better than those black women, anyway, they get treated properly.

See also the little evangelical ‘quiverfull’ societies set up to cut the children off from the outside world as much as possible so they can keep running their own little in-group without worrying about somebody questioning whether or not ‘the way things are’ is actually the right way.

paul Michael tidwell
2 years ago

My first reaction to some of this is just that the Right wing has a terribly shallow conception of what it means to be a patriot because it seems they think all Democrats are essentially anti american just because Democrats say America needs a lot of work and needs to become a more perfect union.

But then as I got down into the weeds and actually read Anglin’s rant the facepalm continued to grow intensely. I noticed he actually used “childless” as a slur. That wasn’t cool.

I’m Childfree by choice. Childfree women get enough shit as it is.

My partner never complains about it to me. He actually goes so far as to basically state he feels women’s sole purpose is to Breed.

I can’t- It’s amuses me that the Neonazis think White Genocide is going on when White people are just making the conscious decision to not have children.

They’d call me a Race Traitor because I’m white though and I don’t plan on having any children.

I love Childfree women and just reading over everything he said including calling all women stupid whores etc…

What a Shock, the Daily Stormer is also a deeply misogynistic man.

Who would have thought? I guess I’m never surprised anymore as a regular lurker on this site.

David goes out of his way to document the depth of human scum on the internet.

Sbel
Sbel
2 years ago

@Kit Kat

Finally, you can argue that Putin is from the perspective of the West a Bond villain, but this is dependent on the idea that Western interests in Russia and Eastern Europe and the ME are more important than those of those nations themselves.

Uh, I consider Putin a villain because he keeps murdering everyone who criticizes or opposes him, including poisoning a bunch of people in the UK. He’s suppressing free speech and democracy in Russia. No need to bring his foreign policy into it.

Plus, he’s either violently homophobic, and thus is a terrible person, or he’s cynically encouraging homophobia and anti-gay violence to distract Russian citizens from the real problems in their country, and thus is an even more terrible person.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Surplus to Requirements

These idiots will buy anything if you put it in a black or camo-patterned box and prefix the name of it with “Tactical”.

Point and clickbait ahead of the curve, again.

Feminism Proving Popular With Men After Being Re-Released In Tactical Matte Black

http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/04/finally-a-feminism-for-men/

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

Have these people ever actually listened to the music that they claim to like then?

Adding another one to the list: Rammstein. Rammstein are loudly and proudly far left, but a lot of people just think “German = Nazis” and so they have a lot of Nazi fans.

Until I spam the translated lyrics to Links 2 3 4 at ’em, anyway. *grins*

Alexisagirlsname
Alexisagirlsname
2 years ago

Having mentioned Morrissey earlier on, I’m reminded that here in Britain there was a lot of mockery of Tory prime minister David Cameron for claiming himself a fan of The Smiths despite the virulently angry hatred of Margaret Thatcher and her Tory government in their lyrics. But now Morrissey’s gone full UKIP maybe Cameron was right all along.

What I’m saying is that perhaps the American right just needs to wait another thirty years for Taylor Swift to catch up with them. I mean, Roseanne campaigned for the Green Party in the 90s.

Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

That’s quite misogynist.

Why are women not running screaming from white supremacists?

Wish I knew.

Class / race solidarity trumps gender solidarity?

The power of false consciousness?

The “well I might be at the bottom of my own sexual and political heap, but at least I’m not a black woman” syndrome?

The “he’s doing it all to protect YOU from all those nasty folk who are not like you…” (and don’t ask who’s going to protect you from him) syndrome?

I don’t know, though I’ve seen all these things at work among right-wing women of my acquaintance.

I did think that some of the Kavanaugh revelations – the yearbook and especially the “Renata amumni” business – might be a bit of a learning curve. Especially for Renata Dolphin, who withdrew her signature from the letter stating Kavanaugh had never raped them and “always treated us with respect”… because he clearly hadn’t done that. But they swallowed “locker room talk” apparently, so why not this?

A lot of the set-dressing (Mrs Kavanaugh and her daughters by the man’s side throughout) and commentary was designed to get right-wing women over that particular curve asap.

Especially Trump’s ventriloquising a mother’s fears that her son’s life might be ruined if he gets caught having raped someone: let’s all focus on that rather than the ruined lives of your daughters if they get raped and the perpetrator gets away with it.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@Maria

THANK YOU! I had no idea how to respond to Kit Kat! You did it a billion times better than I ever could.

And….to Kit Kat….We in the West were always aware of Yeltsin being a bumbling drunk. We just didn’t know or care how good or bad he was at his job.

Anyway, about nostalgia for the 90s; My point (even if some of it was phrased super-awkwardly) was that many Americans assumed that the political worst was behind us….that bigotry was small, American wars were going to be few to non-existent (or short-lived affairs that are easy to win), the Far-Right was simply annoying, we would never date fight another “Vietnam”, terrorists were primitive and small-scale, hijacking always meant “hostage situation”, the Berlin Wall fell, Stalin/Mao/totalitarian “Communism” was dead and Russia and Eastern Europe were itching for freedom and democracy….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MznHdJReoeo
….In a nutshell; This cool 1991 hit, Right Here, Right Now”, from a band I like, JESUS JONES!

Sure; Making comics “Darker & Edgier” and angry depressing Grunge rockers were a big thing but in the big political scheme of things, the bad stuff was smaller in scale and we assumed we were slolly learning our lessons.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

Again; How does one post a video that appears visibly?

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@SpukiKitty:
It doesn’t work if you have an https: URL, it has to be http:.

Trying this below, your link with just the ‘s’ removed:

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ SpukiKitty:

Yeah, even outside of pop music, political pundits were quite seriously tossing around phrases like “the end of History.” Which I’m pretty sure I thought was stupid even at the time, but back then it was in more of a “History isn’t *just* about wars, it’s about people’s lives and daily interactions” kind of way. Sigh.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
2 years ago

@Jenora Feuer

Thanks! “Remove the “s” from “https”. I gotcha!

Also; My comment should’ve ended with “….we were slowly learning our lessons.”

….but I typoed and these boards have that “editing timer”.

***********

@Moon_custafer

Well; leave it to AlQaeda and the ineptitude and rivalry of the CIA & FBI for ruining all that and giving the Right-Wing more fuel to grow and get stuff back to square one.

I swear; I feel like were in a new “Gilded Age”. The Gulf War was out “Vietnam” and the Kavanaugh debacle was the “Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill” mess 2.0.

The former Eastern Bloc is embracing tyranny and we’re in a new Cold War with Russia (but with pro-Russians in our Govt.).