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So how creepy is Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh’s prep school pal and self-described Catholic Bikini Paparazzo? Let’s go to the videos

Mark Judge: Would you buy bikini pictures from this man?

By David Futrelle

Several days ago, a strange fellow named Mark Judge made his debut as a bit player in the Brett Kavanaugh nomination tragicomedy that now grips the nation. Judge, a hard-partying pal of Kavanaugh back in his Georgetown Prep days in the early 1980s, was allegedly on the scene when his then 17-year-old buddy Brett allegedly tried to rape the then-15 year old Christine Blasey Ford.

According to Ford, as reported in the Washington Post, Judge helped his friend “corral” her into a bedroom at a party, then watched (apparently quite amused by the spectacle) as the future Supreme Court nominee held her down and tried to rip off her clothes.

As it turns out, Judge’s alleged behavior in this alleged incident is merely the tip of the creepy iceberg when it comes to Kavanaugh’s prep school pal. Over the past several days, journalists and curious internet sleuths have pored over the articles Judge has written for assorted D-list right-wing websites — and a strange oeuvre of exceedingly creepy videos Judge posted on (then abruptly removed from) YouTube and Vimeo.

Several readers pointed out to me that I had in fact written about one of Judge’s especially icky articles way back in 2015, an attack on allegedly spoiled white women in the west, whom the very white Judge feels have “lost the capacity to appreciate and create beauty, to wonder and delight, to genuinely love,” unlike their (allegedly) more “receptive” — and apparently quite easily impressed — foreign counterparts.

In the piece, published in Real Clear Religion, Judge fondly recalled one alleged former girlfriend from India who, he said, “clutched my hand in delight at dance concerts and wept when she saw the Atlantic Ocean for the first time.”

This turns out to be fairly tame compared to some of Judge’s other writings about women. In one piece on hardboiled crime fiction for Splice Today, Judge complained that Social Justice Warriors don’t properly appreciate men’s “dark, horny, creative and a bit crazy” shadow side. And he seemed to come awfully close to endorsing date rape:

Every man who’s fit to live has his own stories about the time …  he ducked the police, got in over his head with money, or abandoned himself in pursuit of love or sex. We’ve all climbed up windowsills, driven all night, and gotten into fights over a girl.

Er, speak for yourself, dude.

Of course, a man must be able to read a woman’s signals, and it’s a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there’s also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

Let’s just luxuriate a little longer in the sheer awfulness of that last sentence:

And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

This is why the Senate judiciary Committee needs to call Judge to the stand, to explain if his and Kavanaugh’s alleged behavior at that prep school party was an example of the alleged “wonderful beauty” of “uncontrollable male passion.” Does Judge think that Kavanaugh “need[ed] to prove himself” to Ford by trying to rip off her clothes?

Evidently Judge — now in his fifties — still has a bit of a thing for very young women. In a 2012 piece for Real Clear Religion with the cringey title “I Am a Catholic Bikini Paparazzo,” Judge related with a certain predatory glee how he had been asked “to spend three hours taking pictures of beautiful women in bikinis — and get paid for it.”

Checking out a weekly pool party at the Capitol Skyline Hotel pool in Washington,DC, ostensibly to see if it would be a good location for a future field trip for the high-school-age kids in a local university’s summer program, Judge was apparently shooting some, er, “reference” shots when a party organizer asked him to fill in for their regular photographer, who had apparently flaked out on them that day.

“I looked around,” Judge wrote.

Dancing, hula-hooping, champaign [sic] on ice. My every Motley Crue fantasy come to life, twenty years too late.

We shook on it.

In the rest of the extremely horny post, Judge alternates between salacious (if less-than-inspired) descriptions of the “very, very attractive women. Dancing. In sexy bathing suits” that he’d been asked to photograph and weird meditations about whether or not he was being an awful sinner for wanting to bone them all. If anything, Judge’s moralizing is even hornier than his reference to his “Motley Crue fantas[ies] come to life.”

I tried to pray to my favorite saint, St. Teresa of Avila, for guidance. Teresa understood the link between eros and agape (erotic love and divine love), and compared God’s desire for us to that of a relentless lover. And what was wrong with with [sic] spending a sunny afternoon at a pool party photographing hot women and getting a check at the end? 

I literally just shuddered. And it just gets worse and worse.

As I Catholic and author of a book about John Paul II’s Theology of the Body, I knew that it is immoral to look at another with lust. Yet that same Catholicism, the religion of Michelangelo, the “Song of Songs,” and Walker Percy, had taught me that the human form, particularly the female form, is a divine work of art that offers us a chance to love how God loves. 

Somehow this devolves into a discussion of the theological implications of bikinis.

A recent article explored how men prefer regular bathing suits to string bikinis; they like something to be left up to the imagination. I think a Christ-centered man with a healthy appreciation of women can admire the female form, and express that admiration in a sacramental way, if the form is respect [sic] by him and the woman who owns it. …

There really is quite a difference between a string bikini and a one-piece. And someone who has mastered his passions can appreciate the form without it degrading into lust. I think.

Yes, I’m sure you are quite the master of your domain, dude who 100 percent was sporting a boner the entire time he was writing that. I mean, horniness isn’t a crime, and these days pretty much everyone watches porn , but Jesus Christ, dude, no one needs to hear your bizarre inner monologue about your “sacramental” appreciation of scantily clad women half your age.

So this has all been pretty bad so far. But somehow the videos — did I mention the videos? — are even worse. So bad, in fact, that Judge rushed to take them down from YouTube and Vimeo after he found himself in the limelight this week, but not before some enterprising soul saved them to his or her hard drive and re-uploaded at least the highlights of Judge’s collection. (The re-uploaded videos do seem to be authentic, matching the titles of videos whose ghosts linger on in Google webcache.)

The Majority Report with Sam Seder played some excerpts of these videos yesterday.

But these excerpts, as unsettlingly grody as they are, still may not prepare you for the sheer squickiness of the full length videos. Here’s one that Judge apparently intended as a tribute to the legendary comic Little Nemo in Slumberland. An extremely horny tribute.

His “Subconscious (Outtakes)” are even more baffling and creeptacular.

IS THIS REAL LIFE

Assuming that it is, what the hell even is the point of these videos, besides giving Judge an excuse to film very young women in their underwear? How much was he spending to make them? Are there even creepier ones out there that he didn’t post?

Seriously, senators, you need to talk to this guy.

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PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

>:(

Dreamer
Dreamer
2 years ago

Watched. Yup, very creepy. For the last, I saw a bit of art – but also creepiness. Ugh.

Meteor
2 years ago

I really hope he didn’t get married or have kids. He probably did, but I can hope.

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
2 years ago

There comes a point where you wish a person has their brains eaten from the inside out by demon spiders from the underworld

I keep asking myself why this man and his creepy buddy aren’t rotting in a dungeon but I know the sad, sad answer

I’m just in shock

Redhorse
Redhorse
2 years ago

So, they weren’t raping her so much as worshipping Christ through the female form. Now I get it. Really, she should have appreciated that more (since he explained it and all). Next time a guy tries to rape me, I’ll just ask if he’s catholic so I can feel better about it.

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
2 years ago

Wait…Little Nemo in Slumberland is about a little BOY. Michelangelo was probably gay and wasn’t particularly good at depicting women. His women look like men with women’s breasts. Judge’s videos remind of the kind of videos first film majors might make when they think they’re being “artsy” but are really just an excuse to show scantily clad women. Did anyone else think some of the women in the videos looked underage?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I haven’t had a chance to watch the videos yet, but hula hooping? That’s Motley Crue? Seems to me more like an Annette Funicello beach movie but, okay.

I do actually remember that post from a few years ago. Very, very creepy.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

I am suddenly struck with the impulse to tell Mr. Parasol, “Thank you for not being a creepy schmuckface who treats women as if they are things.”

Usually he gives me a baffled look and says, “Erm, you’re welcome.” ‘Cos as far as he’s concerned, it’s not difficult to treat women as fellow humans.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

Now, see, if that sentence (or something like it) came from a gay porn story, or Tom of Finland, or even a non-erotica text about two guys getting it on, I wouldn’t so much as blink at it.

In this context though? Yeah. Ick.

Does anyone know whether Kavanaugh is still in touch with this guy?

Bina
2 years ago

As I Catholic and author of a book about John Paul II’s Theology of the Body, I knew that it is immoral to look at another with lust.

Well, Marko, you know what the good book says. If your eye offendeth you, pluck it out.

I can only wonder what other theological gems there are from this guy, justifying what a creepy-ass wanker he is. Because you just KNOW he’s the sort who’ll raise hell all week just so he and Father Freakus will have something to circle-jerk over in the confession booth before absolution and mass on Sunday…

…and I can only hope that’s as close to getting any as he’s ever gotten, too.

Now, if you’ll ‘scuse me, the Temple of the Porcelain God is calling me.

solecism
solecism
2 years ago

And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion…

…for quiche.
…for My Little Pony.
…for women’s shoes.
…for legoes.
…for collecting antimacassers.
…for photos of sunset.
…for petit fours.
…for dance marathons.
…for [insert your pick here].

That sentence is just begging for a real ending.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

And someone who has mastered his passions can appreciate the form without it degrading into lust.

And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

…so, wait, is male passion uncontrollable or is it something that can be mastered?
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It is this disgusting predatory scumbag just spouting off whatever bullshit justifies his creepy assholery of the moment? …Nah, can’t be./sarcasm

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Ah yes, St. Teresa of Avila, patron saint of Pool Party Ogling.

Isn’t it weirdly convenient how Christian saints and deities always tell praying right wing men exactly what they want to hear? The response is never “get a grip and quit lusting after teenage girls, you pathetic loser.” No, it’s always Go for it! Your lust for string bikinis is biblically sanctioned!

It adds an extra layer of creepy when the urges are backed up by an unquestionable invisible authority.

the wonderful beauty of uncontrollable male passion

Oh, is that what the kids are calling rape nowadays?

Viscaria
Viscaria
2 years ago

And what was wrong with with [sic] spending a sunny afternoon at a pool party photographing hot women and getting a check at the end?

If Mark Judge is involved? Everything. All the things are wrong with that if they in any way relate to Mark Judge.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Okay, I finally watched the videos. That Subconscious Outtakes one. Oof.

It was like the video in Ringu/The Ring. Except instead of a creepy little girl calling and telling me I’m going to die in seven days, I expect a creepy misogynist to call me and tell me he’s going to rape and murder me in seven days.

Basically, what I’m saying is that Mark Judge is that creepy little shit in Welcome to the Dollhouse

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Ben
Ben
2 years ago

Jeez, how dare he bring up St. Teresa of Avila to justify being a massive, creepy horndog. If she were really his favorite saint, he’d know that she draws the comparison to show how eros is a pale imitation unless joined by agape, as it is in the worship of the divine.

No matter how devout a Christian you are, God’s not your fucking bro in a nineties raunch comedy giving you the thumbs up because he loves you like you love those sweet young things. Barf.

Hexum7
Hexum7
2 years ago

Buttercup

I read some of the lives of the more bizarre Catholic saints, and, believe me, you can find permission for all sorts of bizarre fetish behavior.

I recall one Saint who was a nun but was so beautiful that men kept creeping on her. Her solution was to bathe her face in acid and lye, till it was completely destroyed. Supposedly she would go into a kind of ecstatic pain induced orgasmic trance.

Pain induced orgasmic trances is a recurring theme among the saints lives actually

So, yeah, I wouldn’t be half surprised if there’s a saint of ooglers of young women. That’s the least if their fucked-upness

Von Ragnar
Von Ragnar
2 years ago

and compared God’s desire for us to that of a relentless lover

…here’s a bit of funny cultural trivia for you: did you know that idea of comparing God with lover was practiced by Sufi (Islamic) mystics? Oh, and that he was specifically portrayed as a male lover (yeah, their poetry was… weird, to say at least)

So, does that mean that Judge is really a Sufist in disguise? A “creeping sharia”, if you wikk?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Tacky & sexist.

Also,

[T]he woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

What a lovely Valentine to himself. But I’m confused. Does the Catholic Church now sanction nonmarital sex? Ha, ha, I kid.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
2 years ago

Where do these people go at night? Isn’t there a law, or something? I actually can’t sleep, after reading & viewing this.

Pen
Pen
2 years ago

…there’s also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her…

And I remember from my younger years that there were times I really did want to get laid and I’m sure I was sending signals that I wanted to get laid, but my actual brain had calculated the costs and risks of an unwanted pregnancy, or other disadvantage, and decided it would not be good for me. So I said no.

My point in mentioning this being that a really good way to force women into these moments of ambiguity is to deprive them of access to reproductive control (my situation when I was young). Then you can indulge in ‘the chase’ that consists of arousing their sexuality until it overcomes their knowledge of their best interests. Such fun, forcing someone to risk her future, yes??? Whereas women who don’t have risks have basically three answers: Yes, No, Not now, I’m busy.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
2 years ago

@Pen, yes. This is something I’ve always wondered about – why is it that relatively few people seem to put two and two together and realise that if women had unhindered access to the means of reproductive control and were not at risk of physical and social abuse, there’d be a whole lot of shagging going on.

Seriously, if you want to generally promote the whole-lotta-shagging scenario, why on earth would you a) encourage men to ignore women’s boundaries, and b) call sexually active women sluts? The higher the risk of physical and social abuse, the more likely we are to turn down a shag even when – if we weren’t afraid for our own safety – we’d actually quite fancy one.

You’d think all those incelly types would be marching and crying out for free contraception and abortion on demand, and cheering sexually active women to the rafters … but as we know, logic is not their strong suit (and they don’t actually want anything to do with human beings who are women anyway; they just want to wallow in their hate).

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Ugh. I just read on Cliff Pervocracy’s Tumblr, a post he reblogged, that people should be wary of a dude called Brent D in the “Bay Rationalist Community”, not date him and not invite him to parties any longer. Apparently he has for years brutally raped and tortured poor “girlfriends” half his age in the name of BDSM, and everyone sort of knew what was going on though not the full story with all the details. Then those girlfriends publically post their horror stories, and it all checks out with stuff other people knew or have seen, and so those “rationalists” start to argue that maybe this Brent D should take a pause when it comes to dating, so as to not rape and torture more girls? At least for a while, until he’s sorted himself out? When Brent D doesn’t take a pause but continue pursuing girls half his age in order to rape and torture them, the community eventually decides that there should be issued a public warning and also that Brent D should not be invited to parties any longer.

AAAARRRRGH!

I’ve been suspicious about the “rationalist movement” ever since I heard that there was such a movement, because although it seems like a fine goal to try to be more rational (like, in the real sense, not in some kind of straw-vulcan-sense) I immediately thought that if you try to turn it into a movement, it’s probably just gonna end up being some weird cult. And then a story like this comes out.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@David:

Judge, a hard-partying pal of Kavanaugh back in his Georgetown Prep days in the early 1980s

You’ve transposed two characters. That should obviously read, “his Georgetown Perp days”. HTH.

@Dvärghundspossen

Rationalist movements have been turning into weird cults for 2500 years, ever since Plato and his followers wound up worshipping the dodecahedron and trying to keep its existence secret from other mathematicians.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen

I immediately thought that if you try to turn it into a movement, it’s probably just gonna end up being some weird cult. And then a story like this comes out.

I was pleasantly surprised to read that other members of the group decided that this guy being a rapist and an abuser is not ok. And that in itself is depressing, because it is such a low bar to clear and yet the internet atheist and skeptic movements have endless problems managing it.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen

If this is the Rationalism I think it is, then it’s actually a no-shit cult, and less skeptic/atheist than rapturist and Singularitarian. They’re the folks who gave us Roko’s Basilisk (invented, incidentally, by a known manipulative rapist). And the founder, Eliazel Yudkowski, is also IIRC a known abuser.

Yudkowskian Rationalism from what I’ve seen also tends to be pretty into evo-psych and biological essentialism, and looooooves to make apologies for the far right. It and Neoreactionary stuff kind of diverged in the not-too-distant past, and they still have traces of each other.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Here’s a telling quote from Mark Judge’s brother: “Mark claims in his book that we all lived in terror of my father’s drunken outbursts. I can only say that he is right in one thing; my family did come to fear one of its members. As another member of our family commented during one of many meetings about Mark’s behavior, “Mark went to Markland a long time ago.” He still lives there. Sadly for my mother, that still means home.

And that’s it, that’s the real problem—not alcoholism or a lousy childhood or an abusive father. Mark is a solipsist: spoiled as a child, gazing always inward, unable to recognize any pain but his own…”

That’s the mindset of the douchey entitled Reagan-era prep school boy in a nutshell. I grew up around these types, I recognize them instantly. From birth they’re groomed to be Masters of the Universe, but at the same time they’re never required to grow up and take responsibility for themselves. The Guardian had a good piece on this awhile back: Why Boarding Schools Produce Bad Leaders.

And so we find ourselves in the position of considering someone for the highest court in the land who has never even begun to develop any sense of personal accountability. A federal judge who thinks “I was never at that party, but if I was, nothing happened, and if it did happen, it wasn’t wrong” is a perfectly valid legal defense. A thoroughly corrupt judge who applies the rule of law selectively, to everybody else except him and his buddies.

The really disgusting thing about Kavanaugh is that it isn’t just Roe v. Wade driving the GOP’s desperation to ram him through. After all, there’s any number of Federalist Society-vetted judges who could do that. No, they need five conservative men on the bench to rule that it’s legal to accept foreign donations for campaign contributions. This is about keeping their own hides outta jail. They’re willing to throw untold numbers of women, minorities, children, employees, consumers, and other future victims of the Kavanaugh Court under the bus to do that.

@opposablethumbs

You’d think all those incelly types would be marching and crying out for free contraception and abortion on demand, and cheering sexually active women to the rafters … but as we know, logic is not their strong suit (and they don’t actually want anything to do with human beings who are women anyway; they just want to wallow in their hate).

But then that would ruin the entire point of dominating and demeaning women. These guys are only interested in sex as a zero sum game. Someone has to win, which means the other person has to lose. It’s no fun if women actually want it. It’s also no fun if the woman doesn’t suffer some sort of consequence afterwards (pregnancy, shame, etc.)

I wish that was sarcasm.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

@Cyborgette: Yeah I also thought of those people, they’re the ones who actually refer to themselves as “rationalists”, right? Rather than, say, sceptics. From what I gather, not everyone calling themselves rationalist is a direct disciple and unquestioning fan of Yudkowski, but they’re all like part of the same loosely defined movement…
@Pie: Yeah I guess there’s a happy ending, I was just horrified reading through their posts that so much pure horror had been going on for such a long time with most people having some kind of insight into what was happening and yet taking years to slowly realize that this was bad, and even then seemingly failing at realizing how bad.

I think there’s real danger in thinking of yourself as so much more rational and enlightened than the “sheeple”, because then you might be prone not to just question things (which is good) but to quickly dismiss everything “the sheeple” believe, even when it’s perfectly sound moral norms.

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

Doesn’t surprise me to hear that Yudkowski is an abuser. He’s already a living avatar of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, valuing his own ignorant ponderings over others’ education. So the idea that he would also have an abuser’s mindset fits with that.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

The Onion nails it again:

WASHINGTON—Vehemently defending the Supreme Court nominee against recent allegations of sexual assault, GOP officials declared Wednesday that Brett Kavanaugh shouldn’t be held accountable for something he did as a white teenager. “We’re talking about something that occurred when Mr. Kavanaugh was a mere 17-year-old Caucasian,” said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), adding that it was ridiculous to allow a single incident that happened when Kavanaugh was in an elite and mostly white high school ruin the career of such an accomplished white person. “I expect most of my colleagues here in the Senate remember what it’s like to be a young white man and make mistakes. The important thing is that we learn from those mistakes and grow up to be responsible white adults. It’s shameful that my Democratic colleagues feel the need to sully Judge Kavanaugh’s reputation when they, too, surely understand that boys of European descent will be boys of European descent.” McConnell went on to state that the assault would hardly even be noteworthy had the victim not been a 15-year-old white girl.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
2 years ago

… these are the people taking over the world right now.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

This is something I’ve always wondered about – why is it that relatively few people seem to put two and two together and realise that if women had unhindered access to the means of reproductive control and were not at risk of physical and social abuse, there’d be a whole lot of shagging going on.

It’s because those men don’t want EVERYONE to get to have lots of sex. If you view sex as something that’s supposed to increase your social standing and affirm your manhood instead of being a mutually enjoyable activity that is engaged in by two or more people.

If sex is freely given away by people who want to have sex with you, then it’s meaningless. Like a participation trophy. But if you coerce convince a woman who is reluctant to have sex because she might risk pregnancy or STDs or social ostracism, then you’ve really proven that you earned that sex and the respect of your peers. And you get to feel superior those lesser men who won’t get over those hurdles.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

I think we need some baby pygmy hippo. It’s always time for baby pygmy hippo.

https://youtu.be/Sx979foyT9s

Now that the public can see her, I need to go to the zoo.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

And the scary part is that Yudkowski is one of the better folks in parts of that ecosystem, which is part of why he diverged from the Neoreactionary sorts when he realized which directions they were going in. (While not realizing just how easy it was to go from his direction to theirs.)

I’ve said it before and I’ll likely say it again, I consider Yudkowski to be Exhibit A of ‘why STEM students need to be taught more philosophy so they stop trying to reinvent it badly’. He was practically patient zero of a lot of the modern ‘techbro’ culture. Convinced he was smarter than everyone else, that he didn’t need to learn anything from centuries of accumulated wisdom of what works and what doesn’t, that he could be a ‘maverick’ and break through to a new system… and in the process not only making new mistakes but re-making a lot of the old ones and giving them new names so that nobody outside their little discussion groups can easily figure out what they’re talking about.

Sure, jargon exists, but creating a parallel jargon because you refuse to learn enough of the original to realize what they actually mean is just a waste.

But unfortunately, ‘closing ranks to protect our own’ happens in just about any group. That’s what most of the ‘Geek Social Fallacies’ are about, but they’re hardly unique to fandom groups.

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

@Jenora Feuer
Yeah, Yudkowski’s most “impressive” accomplishments seem to consist of reinventing the wheel while calling everything by new names because he doesn’t actually know what wheels, axles, and hubs are.

I may be remembering wrong, but isn’t a lot of this due to Yudkowski having no formal education whatsoever? Like, both homeschooled and then “self-educated” rather than attending secondary education? It makes a lot of sense re: his ignorance of his own ignorance – he’s never even learned how to learn.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

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Michael Lindsay
Michael Lindsay
2 years ago

Semi naked lady covered in copies of…”Obama’s betrayal of Israel.”

Is this what conservatives think art looks like?

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Positional goods ruin all the things.

Toxicly masculine people who treat (access to) sex as a positional good ruin it for those of us who just want to have fun.

Rich people who treat big fancy houses and having multiple houses as a positional good ruin it for those of us who just want to have a roof over our heads at a reasonable rate.

Same applies to taking something with actual use-value and buying and holding it for the exchange-value, i.e. using it as currency. That’s also contributed to the housing cost crisis, and it shows up in sex as well this time mainly as the subset of women, steeped in patriarchal norms, who do actually fit the gold-digger trope. And who slut-shame other women for lowering the market value of sex by having it for fun. (You’ll find these women at your local polling place this November, Xing the circle for the Republican candidate in their district. When they’re not embarrassing the country by claiming they can see Russia from their house…)

Diptych
Diptych
2 years ago

They’re the folks who gave us Roko’s Basilisk (invented, incidentally, by a known manipulative rapist).

Hold up, I missed this story. What did Roko do?

Shadowplay
2 years ago

When they’re not embarrassing the country by claiming they can see Russia from their house…

Tina Fey is an embarrassment?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Add Franklin Graham to the creepy list if you hadn’t already. Apparently being unable to complete your attempted rape means you’ve respected your victim
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/19/1797143/-Graham-Attempted-rape-not-a-crime-Kavanaugh-respected-his-victim-by-not-finishing?detail=facebook

Once again I’ll say it. White women need to wake up and stop voting Republican and stop attending conservative churches. Right wing men hate us. Every one of us. Don’t think being one of the “good” women will protect you.

Not that anyone here needs to be told that. Just feel like screaming. I cannot believe that there are still Republican women after all we’ve seen these last couple of years.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
2 years ago

@Shadowplay I think the reference was to Sarah Palin.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Fishy Goat – I know. Just prefer to mock Palin for the shit she DID come out with, not shit she didn’t.

In other news:

Milo rejoined twitter (@_yiannopoulos), posted for a bit (about 10 days) and got suspended again.
Guess he’s bored of being in the weeds.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Surplus

“… subset of women, steeped in patriarchal norms, who do actually fit the gold-digger trope.”

IDK, from here it looks less like embracing patriarchal norms, and more like a legitimate survival strategy under a system intent on destroying us. I probably couldn’t hack it myself because trauma and misandry (and a chronic inability to keep my mouth shut even for my own good), and like, just in general this thing where women act as sexual and emotional support animals in exchange for Manly Male Protection… ugh. Being a rich man’s plaything would be my death, I’ve been used by others too much already.

But people will do what they feel they have to, and being a woman in patriarchy has always entailed being forced into shitty decisions. Even for women who understand completely the scale and shape of the shittiness.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

TW: Discussion of rape

Man Who Strangled Woman Unconscious Won’t Serve Jail Time Because Judge Thinks It Won’t Happen Again

Hazel Cills
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An Anchorage man who strangled a woman unconscious on the side of a road, all while threatening to kill her, and then masturbated on her, walked out of court on Wednesday with no future jail time under his belt.

Nice suit and tie.

https://jezebel.com/man-who-strangled-woman-unconscious-wont-serve-jail-tim-1829192899

TW: Discussion of rape

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
2 years ago

@Buttercup

But then that would ruin the entire point of dominating and demeaning women. These guys are only interested in sex as a zero sum game. Someone has to win, which means the other person has to lose. It’s no fun if women actually want it. It’s also no fun if the woman doesn’t suffer some sort of consequence afterwards (pregnancy, shame, etc.)

@Catalpa

If you view sex as something that’s supposed to increase your social standing and affirm your manhood instead of being a mutually enjoyable activity that is engaged in by two or more people.

If sex is freely given away by people who want to have sex with you, then it’s meaningless. Like a participation trophy. But if you coerce convince a woman who is reluctant to have sex because she might risk pregnancy or STDs or social ostracism, then you’ve really proven that you earned that sex and the respect of your peers.

You are both of course, sadly, absolutely right. They say they want sex, but what they really want is to hurt women/make themselves feel better by putting someone else down – sex is just a way for doing that.

Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

@ Catalpa

…so, wait, is male passion uncontrollable or is it something that can be mastered?

GOOD question!

My guess is it’s “uncontrollable” when he needs to roll out the “I couldn’t help it: really, y’r honour, it’s she who raped ME by being female in my vicinity,” defence in court.

Up until then, and especially when inviting co-workers, fellow students, employees etc round to his hotel room, it’s “mastered.”

“Totally mastered, ladies: I’ve got it pinned down and gagged with the sound system on high to drown out any protests … ooh, did I say that? I meant mastered. Totally. You can trust me.”

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Diptych

Whoops sorry I missed your reply…

Be warned, the following is a *SUICIDE NOTE*, describes multiple cases of sexual abuse, and furthermore showcase just how deep into evo-psych fallacies Rationalism goes. I wasn’t able to more than skim it TBH, because it is very very triggering material for me.

But yeah, one of the many abusers Kathy Forth outed was Roko. And this is not the only reference I’ve seen to him being a shit. (Though honestly, one could draw the conclusion just from his introducing the Basilisk.)

https://medium.com/@itai.ilyich/if-i-cant-have-me-no-one-can-kathleen-rebecca-forth-born-april-11-1980-31c49ed15121

Prophet309
Prophet309
2 years ago

I just read a summary of the Roko’s Basilisk thing on RationalWiki, and…it may be the most bizarre thing I’ve ever come across. I just…what?

Diptych
Diptych
2 years ago

@Cyborgette: God’s teeth. That’s awful. Thanks for answering.