By David Futrelle
Here’s today’s terrible, er, insight from the world of the so-called “involuntarily celibate,” found on the Braincels subreddit (and archived here).
There’s really nothing about this comment that isn’t horrifyingly wrong, huh? Even aside from the fucking rape apologia, there’s this assumption that “passing your genes on to future generations” is somehow every man’s sacred right. and that “Chad and Stacey” are somehow conspiring to deny this “right” to ugly men.Who even thinks like this?
It’s bizarre thing to have to say this out loud, but no, incel dudes, not only are you not entitled to sex with women who don’t want to have anything to do with you, but you are also not entitled to impregnate a woman against her will and force her to carry the pregnancy to term because you have some weird fixation on passing on your genes.
@Z&T:
Your story about the mysterious death of the possible runaway businessman sounds like the plot of the song”I Died Today” by Rodd Keith:
Am I advocating it in a serious way? No. I’m musing “aloud”. It’s just a dumb idea that will never happen in a million years, along similar lines of wishful thinking that kiddie diddlers should ideally have their heads spontaneously explode.
Oh, I know I am more than a little salty about the whole fight for bodily autonomy. But there is admittedly a part of me that fears or believes men will never fully understand what “fighting for bodily autonomy” actually means to uterus owners, unless they have bodily autonomy of their own at stake that they can remember (I’m not a fan of circumcision either, ftr, but most men don’t remember it, and a great many who do resent being circumcised are able to stretch themselves a new foreskin if they really really want to have one, largely without risk to their health/lives, so I’m not sure it’s comparable to a woman desperately needing an abortion and resorting to a back-alley coathanger, or overdose, or alcohol, or falling down the stairs……….)
I’m just frustrated. Given my depressing life, the political climate and the conservative hole I’m forced to live in, I feel more than a little hopeless about ever being able to have the same FUNCTIONAL rights (as opposed to lip-service “rights”) or be able to command the same degree of basic respect and human dignity as a man. All because I happened to be born with the wrong parts between my legs that somehow mean I’m subhuman at worst, held to a bunch of impossible and contradictory standards in the middle (thank you, BardicLiving!), or at the very least not to be taken too seriously because, you know, those emotional, irrational women….
but ok.
I’m sure that if our guy had the right bone-structure, wrist-thickness, eye-width, etc., he’d be rolling in ‘tang on the daily. I mean, really, what else could possibly be the problem with this dude?
@Raven: the thing is that the alt right and the incels say the same thing. Oh, it’s just talk. It’s just rhetoric, I don’t really mean it, I don’t really want that to happen.
So if we let you propose that legally mandated mutilation is good actually, and we accept that you’re just venting and don’t take you seriously, why don’t we do the same for the violent misogynists who propose women be lobotomised?
We do you, and them, a different courtesy. We do you the honour of assuming you mean what you say.
And you know, we understand. We get it. You’re among friends here. Everyone here understands your frustration, how limiting and frightening it is to be female and surrounded by right wingers and not to have your rights. You don’t have to convince us that bad things are bad; we agree. We’ll sympathise, if you want to talk about it, but you don’t need the rhetorical sledgehammer. The door’s already open. We believe you.
so if someone doesn’t remember that part of their body was removed when they were a baby and can’t say yes or no, it is okay?
especially something like genitals which is really important that we understand we do not make unnecessary surgery on them when someone is a child. they can’t consent. cirucmsicison is one thing, but this also supports mutilation of intersex people to try and make them look more “normal”. Not remmembering is a shit excuse.
body autonomy is a single line. it is all or not at all. saying one thing is less than another does not support your argument, which I fully agree.
not all can afford this stretching, especially in USA, where circumcision is very common. second the part which is removed is all sensitive parts, which stretching will not return. Third, many of people who have genital mutilation (even if they don’t remember) suffer mental health problems because of what happened to them, so there is a risk to health. second, circumcision and “correcion” surgery for intersex people can permanently damage people’s genitals and stop sexual pleasure & make people infirtile. it is quite serious.
I respect you want to vent, but why we should rank what is worse or better when we talk about abuse of people’s bodys? bodily autonomy should be 100% for all. if it is not then it is not truly autonomy.
In the same thread that David quoted from, an individual with the homophobic name LyricThrowAgay says something unintentionally hilarious:
If you’re going to advise us how to build better human beings, you should probably use Spell Check.
Wait wait wait. Ain’t any woman somebody’s daughter ? The daughter of a man who’s passing on his genes ? Wouldn’t inflicting violence on her compromise the sacred duty and right of passing on that man’s genes ?
Just asking questions.
What Weirwoodtreehugger said. A single unprotected sex act at a randomly chosen day of the month doesn’t have that high a probability of leading to pregnancy to begin with, since women are infertile most of the time. Adding the fact that many women are on the pill or the like, and that most of the tiny number who do get pregnant after a rape will likely abort – the probability of spreading your genes through rape must be absolutely miniscule.
*sigh* These guys really do admire Ariel Castro more than they care to admit. Dave can probably answer this best: do you ever see any Ariel Castro or Josef Fritzl admiration on incel forums? These guys are awfully attached to Eliot Rodger, but really, don’t Castro and Fritzl better conform to how they want to treat women?
…incidentally, there’s actually a place just off Signal Hill called Cuckhold’s Cove. Although Snake Island is probably the better option.
There’s also a place called Dildo. Seriously, Newfoundland has the best place names!
@ katamount
Well, if you want to stick on your NBC suit, you can start here:
https://incels.me/threads/i-really-dont-think-3-girls-can-be-just-kidnapped-or-captured.44509/#post-796216
https://incels.me/threads/did-josef-fritzl-do-anything-wrong.55664/#post-1034758
I think I may have been spending too much time on this site. Last night I had a dream in which Steve Bannon was having a televised debate with Roosh. I don’t remember what they were disagreeing over, but possibly the worst part was that Roosh occasionally got off a zinger that left Bannon getting angrily red in the face.
I have a reoccurring night terror that involves both klowns (yes, with a k) and the World Trade Center… but yours still sounds worse, Rabbit!!!
@Rabid Rabbit;
Last nite I dreamed I had lost my harmonica and I was trying to play a plastic toy one… while a giant shark kept jumping out of water and eating the people in the house…
I dunno WHERE that came from….
I’d suggest that Incels wear some kind of symbol to show their allegiance to Murder-Rape-Creepyness, but that also has some unfortunate connotations and implications.
In truth, they would need help to understand how terribly, er, terrible they and their world-view are, and then some serious re-education. And empathy-training. Sooooo much empathy-training.
How often does rape lead to pregnancy?
@Katamount Both my daughter *and* my sister visited Dildo this summer (at different times). 😀
@Alan Robertshaw Ew! And for some reason I was surprised – maybe because those two men are somewhat older than incels’ usual ‘heroes’…. 😛
While I understand that from an evolutionary perspective we are “designed” to engage in behaviours that may result in us passing on our genes, the idea that this means it is essential for any of one of us in particular to pass on our genes is utterly ludicrous. If we want to actually leave an imprint on the world we must one day leave behind, how about we do that by acting in a way that helps make this a world where we all can enjoy our existence?
Yeah, I know. Trying to reason with incels is silly, but geesh…
I had a dream where some guy got a candystick stuck on my hair and once it finally came off, it took a chunk of my hair with it. When I started complaining about it, my brother popped up from somewhere to defend this guy (they were apparently friends, but it was just some random dude in my dream I can’t remember ever meeting). Anyway, they tried to minimize it by saying it was just a few strands of hair, no big deal, even if I showed them the huge bald spot I received. Of course once I started musing that I’ll have to get a side shaved hairdo, my brother started acting all disgusted at the idea (which is something he does) since he doesn’t like the look. I remember my resolve to do it grew out of spite, but I think I might of woken up from seething so strongly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I recently dreamed that I was impersonating an ancient pagan demon by putting a black rubbish bag over my head and skipping down a path. People started sacrificing sheep to me. By hurling them into a stream.
“…they’ll have to accept the anger of those who weren’t chosen”?
Uh, NO. I refuse to accept that, just as I refuse to accept your “genes”. You’ll have to deal with your “anger” some other, more constructive way. If any woman finds herself the target of your “anger”, she’s within her rights to punch your lights out. Or worse.
The Newfoundland town and the sex toy share an etymology. The original meaning of ‘dildo’ is the post on which an oarlock is mounted on a rowboat. The town was so-called because lots of people there made rowboats, the sex toy due to a similar shape.
If we’re mentioning ‘rude’ names, I’ll throw in Wanker’s Corner in (I think) Oregon.
@LindsayIrene
While the point that the article makes, is an important one (correcting the BS beliefs that the anti-choice faction trotts out to justify their inhumane, cruel stances), they kinda make it sound like rape leads to pregnancy at a higher rate than consensual sex (given equal circumstances), because they gloss over this:
That number shows us, given the low likelihood of getting pregnant, how fucking depressingly common rape is if the US ends up at 32.000 pregnancies a year resulting from it. And i’m sure the actual incidence is higher too, since women have to selfreport that their pregnancy resulted from rape.
That doesnt make rape an effective reproductive strategy, neither to get a woman pregnant in the first place, nor to actually raise the offspring succesfully. That just proves rape culture.
re “rude” names (I’m kind of too low right now to post anything other than insignificant nonsense (ETA which everyone already knows, come to think of it, but what the heck there are worse things than stating the obvious sometimes)): considering that Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, you’d think that Mitsubishi might have noticed before naming one of their SUVs the “Mitsubishi Wanker”. They had to re-name the Pajero for the Spanish-speaking market, but when you see all the pajeros riding around city streets here in a great big oh-so-manly rugged off-road advertisement for their 100% urban wankerdom it’s nice to know they have at least advertised themselves correctly.
I don’t see that post show up in the thread you linked to, or anything that supports it.