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Today’s horror from the world of incels: “Rape is a valid mating strategy for ugly men”

Being a resentful creepy weirdo: not an effective mating strategy

By David Futrelle

Here’s today’s terrible, er, insight from the world of the so-called “involuntarily celibate,” found on the Braincels subreddit (and archived here).

4morebricks 1 point an hour ago* Rape is as valid of a mating strategy for ugly men as literally any mating strategy other men employ. Just because Chads/Stacies came together and agreed to cut unattractive men out of the gene pool doesn't mean ugly mens' mating strategies are morally inferior. Bottom line: if women want the freedom to decide whose genes are passed on to future generations, they'll have to accept the anger of men who aren't chosen.

There’s really nothing about this comment that isn’t horrifyingly wrong, huh? Even aside from the fucking rape apologia, there’s this assumption that “passing your genes on to future generations” is somehow every man’s sacred right. and that “Chad and Stacey” are somehow conspiring to deny this “right” to ugly men.Who even thinks like this?

It’s bizarre thing to have to say this out loud, but no, incel dudes, not only are you not entitled to sex with women who don’t want to have anything to do with you, but you are also not entitled to impregnate a woman against her will and force her to carry the pregnancy to term because you have some weird fixation on passing on your genes.

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Godzilla Roberts
Godzilla Roberts
6 years ago

On today’s episode of Serial Killer Logic….

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
6 years ago

If rape is a valid mating strategy for ugly men, spermjacking is a valid mating strategy for ugly women. I’m sure manospherians would have to agree that’s fair, right?

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

The use of the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ emoji really assures me that rape is no big deal! Thank goodness he added that or I would be freaked out by his statement.

Hexum7
Hexum7
6 years ago

Just when I thought that yesterday’s “lock her up” fantasy was the lowest these guys could go…

I know they are trying to outdo each other in some some of creep contest- but as they all have some sort of severe personality, disorder should this kind of rhetoric even be allowed? This is terrorism, plain and simple

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

Now the fact that he’s trying to justify rape is one thing, but not even properly using the shrug emoji?! Now that’s a crime against humanity /s

BardicLiving
BardicLiving
6 years ago

Wait hang on though I thought only women were ugly; men age like a fine wine until age 55.

No wait *no* women are ugly, that’s why it’s so much easier to be a woman; they can have sex whenever they want.

No wait the problem is that society is telling women that they’re all beautiful, that’s why they’re letting themselves go and becoming so undesirable.

No wait all women are desirable, that’s why it’s so cruel of them to withhold attention from men.

No wait, if a woman rejects a man it’s because it means she actually desires them, it’s part of the devious game they play.

No wait, women aren’t devious they’re irrational and confused, that’s why society has to protect them like children.

No wait women need to be treated like adults, the problem is that society infantilizes them and gives them whatever they want.

Anyway when will society do the right thing and give men whatever they want?

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@Hexum7:

Internet diagnosing? Really?

And the rhetoric is allowed by the First Amendment. But the lot of them should be on some kind of watchlist, for potential terrorism and potential rape. I’ll bet ten of them have attempted or committed rape for every one that’s done a Rodgers or Minassian style mass casualty attack.

These people need to be surveilled, and the moment any one of them commits a crime, that one gets the book thrown at them. Preferably the one from Anathem.

dust bunny
dust bunny
6 years ago

“passing your genes on to future generations” is somehow every man’s sacred right

And it is! They’re entirely free to become swamp bodies or ice mummies. Future archeologists will rejoice! I can’t imagine a better thing they could do.

Fluffy Spider Returns
Fluffy Spider Returns
6 years ago

So they are reading over these types of future serial killer/rapist manifestos and they still think its their looks?
And not the fact the shit they say is legimately scary ?

Whaaaaaaaa

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

How effective is rape really as a reproductive strategy in humans? Assuming your rape is successful and you don’t end up in jail or murdered by her family for the crime, you have to get her pregnant on the first try, and assume she won’t get an abortion. The number of babies conceived successfully this way I just don’t think is that high. That’s why it’s not the strategy most humans use(apart from the moral reasons). If these guys really just cared about passing on their DNA they could go donate their genes to a sperm bank, but they don’t really care about that. They just want to justify rape.

Some Guy
Some Guy
6 years ago

If rape is a valid mating strategy for ugly men, spermjacking is a valid mating strategy for ugly women. I’m sure manospherians would have to agree that’s fair, right?

More to the point, killing this specific commenter is a valid mating strategy for anyone near him.

It’s almost like we’ve improved on the default state of nature and now these things don’t have to happen or something >_>

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

… and white people should be able to block the progress of all people of color, because whites are being actively exterminated (except they’re not being actively exterminated)

… and conspiracy fantasists should be able to threaten those who disagree with them, because conservative voices are being censored (except they’re not being censored)

… and ugly men should be able to rape, because men are shut out of social interaction with women because of their appearance (except they’re not….)

I would suggest, my ugly brothers, you get on OK Cupid, spend some effort, and (… “effort”), and see wh… (“EFFORT!” Y’know, “WORK”!!)… put a bio out there, people who have common interests will respond. I know. I’m uglier’n sin on Sunday, and I had several women respond. Then, all you gotta do is have some sincere, respectful conversations with the folks, and… (“respectful conversations!”) …

Oh, i think I see the root of yer problem….

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
6 years ago

Considering that they’re probably all eugenicists at heart, why exactly do they think ugly people have a right to pass on their genes? Surely the Sacred White Race would only be improved if they didn’t.

I mean, I know better than to expect logic from them, but still.

numerobis
numerobis
6 years ago

calmdown: rape is unfortunately about as likely to lead to pregnancy as consensual unprotected sex. And it’s not a crime with a great track record of prosecution.

That’s kind of the opposite of a moral justification in favour.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
6 years ago

Numerobis,

Sure if you compare one act of rape to one act of consensual sex.

If one wants to us rape to reproduce, he has to hope his victim doesn’t take hormonal BC and doesn’t have a BC implant, won’t get emergency contraception, won’t get an abortion and happens to be ovulating at the time of the rape. That’s pretty small odds.

In a consensual sexual relationship in which both parties want a pregnancy, they can have sex everyday or use ovulation sticks and cervical mucus checks to figure out when the optimal days for sex are and abortion is much less likely. The chance of a pregnancy being carried to term is just so much higher.

Even taking morality out of it, rape is just such a piss poor reproductive strategy for humans.

Of course, I don’t think any of these guys really want to spread their genes so bad. They just want to tell themselves that they’d be justified in raping a woman.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
6 years ago

Somebody needs to go Seal Team Six on these jerks. I’m not kidding.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Rape is a mating strategy in the same way that mugging is a wealth building strategy.

@calmdown:

If these guys really just cared about passing on their DNA they could go donate their genes to a sperm bank, but they don’t really care about that.

I think you’re right. Children are “I Had Sex!!!!” trophies for these guys. A sperm bank won’t do, because no PiV sex is involved and it’s anonymous. Nobody will know that the incel’s genes were passed on, least of all the incel. Where’s the validation in that?

That’s assuming that sperm banks would accept them in the first place, which they wouldn’t. Not because of sperm quality or looks, but because sperm banks do extensive personality screening, and these dinkpoodles would instantly disqualify themselves. You can’t hide that sort of venomous contempt for women.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
6 years ago

The more of these things I read, the more I think preying mantises have the right approach.

TreePerson
TreePerson
6 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Also a child conceived intentionally by a couple prepared to raise them has better odds of surviving until they reproduce themselves,
not to mention just having a more stable home life.

Kids are expensive and these people consider helping with that expense worse then the rape they so want to commit.

(Also finally did a gravatar! How is it?)

Z&T
Z&T
6 years ago

@ Buttercup Q,

About the mugging and wealth building strategies, so you’re saying this is a bad idea? But what if I would put the proceeds in an index fund?

😀

I’m being a smart ass, this did remind my friend here of a strange thing ..

Some guy their family knew. He was a wealthy businessman. Then he fell on hard times. And had health issues. And then “died”. That was all questionable, no one (and he had enough of relatives, friends, and biz associates), would ID his body, after much time some real estate person he did biz with once ID’d him, it was all weird.

What they think might’ve happened – the guy skipped town and killed a homeless person to stand in for his corpse.

oO

mwr
mwr
6 years ago

BardicLiving, that post is a thing of genius.

hexum7
6 years ago

the way i reckon, i wasn’t offering a diagnosis, as i only wrote about an unspecific problem.

am i wrong? i’ll try to avoid it in the future, anyway.

But, yes, these people are promoting violence, and definitely should be put in watch lists, if they already haven’t been

Raven, Nudger of Dead Things and Loremaster of Dark Ugly Places
Raven, Nudger of Dead Things and Loremaster of Dark Ugly Places
6 years ago

I’ve never seen a better illustration of how rape (at least in the case of humans) isn’t usually about sex or reproduction, so much as it is about power and enjoying humiliating someone else. He’s transparently hiding behind the idea of rape being about sex/reproduction, when what he clearly wants is to compel one of these women that he so obviously loathes to acknowledge his “superiority” over her by forcing himself on her.

IMO people who are established to have used their genitals for violent purposes should have those instruments of violence taken away by any means necessary, much like how you take sticks away from the kids that hit others with them.

I wish there was a way to get it through these jerks’ skulls that the problem has nothing to do with being ugly, at least not ugly on the OUTSIDE. They always think everyone else is the problem, and yet, every last one of them is only slightly less charming and inviting than a rabid skunk.

Diptych
Diptych
6 years ago

IMO people who are established to have used their genitals for violent purposes should have those instruments of violence taken away by any means necessary, much like how you take sticks away from the kids that hit others with them.

Man, we really do not need governments having the legal power to mutilate its citizens – especially not when the fight for bodily autonomy is already so difficult.

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

@ Hexum

Saying that the incels have “severe personality disorders” causing them to be abhorrent garbage people implies that the cause of their awfulness is some clinical condition, which doesn’t fit the “no crazy talk” portion of this site’s comment policy.

I mean, they obviously have disgusting, vile personalities, don’t get me wrong. It’s the disorder part of the statement that’s raising some red flags for some of us. No worries, just try to avoid it in the future.

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