By David Futrelle
You might think that Labor Day would be the MGTOWs’ time to shine. What better day for American MGTOWs, at least, to indulge themselves in the glorious freedom they have allegedly won for themselves by “going their own way” and walking away from women.
Surely the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit will be filled today with men talking excitedly about the happy hours they spent today fishing by themselves, or riding their motorcycles, or even playing video games. Surely the subreddit will be filled with pictures of the delicious steaks they’ve cooked for themselves on their $3000 grills.
Not so much. Taking a look at the MGTOW subreddit today, I found one guy who had posted some lovely photos from his outdoors excursions roaming the badlands and kayaking in some unidentified but very pretty lake.
But the rest of Reddit’s MGTOW crew spent today doing what they do every day, complaining bitterly about women. Here are a few of the things that have been occupying their busy little minds this Labor Day.
Women having sex
A dude called Zombocom1911 laments what he sees as an unfair double standard that he apparently thinks is an actual real thing in the world:
its somehow a normal accepted notion of society that a female should have far more sexual experience than a male before marriage. everyone is a cuckold in modern society,
Women dyeing their hair
According to someone calling himself NoThirst (yeah, I’m not buying it either). women are fickle creatures when it comes to hair color:
…if they have black hair, then want blond…if they have blond hair, they want black, if they are ugly they want blue. They have no idea what the hell they want, other than your resources.
Women using high-waisted leggings to hide their “muffin tops”
A man with the not-altogether-convincing username strongandhappy sniffs:
Why improve yourself when your clothes can do it for you? Once Chad has an erection he won’t carehow fat you are.
Child support
As slacktivist0 sees it,
It’s only called child support for marketing. It’s mom support plain and simple. Thousands of single women pay to inseminate themselves each year. Women have “baby fever”. Paying women to keep kids both her and her ex wanted is like paying men to have sex with attractive women.
Women who don’t properly appreciate getting pointers on their handjob technique
Apparently this is a big problem in the life of guy called Pk_s_to_the_yizzle.
The problem for me isn’t that they suck at it.
But that they ARE DEATHLY RESISTANT to ANY AND ALL change or instruction IN ORDER TO GET BETTER AT IT.
They all believe “I know how to get guys off” , and “WHATEVER I DO should just work”
I mean WOMEN CAN TILL FIND A WAY TO BE SELF CENTERED WHILE HANDLING YOUR DICK!
Like if they give pleasure to a man THE WAY HE WANTS IT, and they are willing to do something OUTSIDE OF THEIR HABIT-PATTERN for more than 5 seconds, they have to pay a $1,000,000 fine to the female collective.
Show a girl your “sweet spot” (the one you use to get yourself OFF in 2 mins)
She’ll Try it, half-assedly for three strokes, then over the next 6 strokes she’ll SLOWLY gravitate back to the shit she was doing.
By stroke 10 its like you didn’t say anything all. ANND its RIGHT BACK to the shit that’s got you considering WALKING OUT on a HANDJOB.
And so, not trying to talk yourself OUT of a HJ. You hide your Bored and Annoyed Face deep inside
A man wearing a novelty shirt reading “I do whatever the voices in my wife’s head tell me to do”
lnot offers up this little rant:
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. There are way more men who have just excepted it [sic] as the way life is than there are MGTOW, or men who know anything about the true nature of woman. They just happily plod along working their lives away, completely oblivious. Just like in the matrix, they have taken the blue pill and are happy with it. … Even though we see how totally fucked their lives are, they don’t, and probably don’t want to. Especially if they are older, who the fuck would want to find out that late in life that you threw your life away? They probably know deep down inside, but there is no point in us rubbing it in.
… and then there’s THIS dude
In a thread devoted to complaining about women who are insufficiently thrilled when men try to chat them up in public, one young dude calling himself JKMonk97 works himself into an apocalyptic rage:
I’m barely 20, but I’ve dealt with shit like this ever since Middle school. Its only going to get worse and people who do shit like this are completely obviously to the damage they are inflicting on others with their toxicity. Its really unsurprising why I became aligned with the MGTOW ideology and why it has seen exponential growth in just a small time frame.
Society has gone to shit, people are cancer, and the system we live in feeds off negativity and evil. I honestly believe this is the end, not just for this generation, but the entire human collective. …
If we do have a collapse it wont be just a simple reset and then after civilization and ethics begins to propagate freely. No, its either us MGTOW and Men who are aware of the Red-Pill support each other and create a enclave built strongly with our ideals, so that we can finally be liberated and experience the greater reality or we simply go extinct.
The Elites that influence this world have seen their grasp over it slowly diminish over time due to unknown variables and events. History has shown that trying to rule the world always ends in failure and misery. Greed and ignorance has proven to be Humanity’s worse enemy and it is this enemy that will consume the Elites in the end.
We Men built this world and we can also destroy. That’s why nature endowed us with more strength and intelligence compared to women because each and every one of us is a leader/creator with great potential.
I really believe the MGTOW ideology will reach a great mass of men, that they will collectively dissolve themselves from any attachments to the feral women we see today and the gynocentric slave apparatus we live in.
Apparently the logic here is:
- Step 1: Woman says “I have a boyfriend” when approached by a strange man
- Step 2: The literal collapse of civilization
- Step 3: …
- Step 4: PROFIT!
Flawless logic.
Happy Labor Day!
@Mish
Neil is the best. I’ve tried to ignore most of this nonsense, it’s just so stupid, but arguing with Gaiman about the timeline of his own work is just the pinnacle of dumbness.
Seriously, why spend the effort complaining about this crap? “Wah, someone new was hired. They don’t deserve this, blah blah blah, I am completely creatively bankrupt and base my worth on gatekeeping people out of my interests.”
The handjob thing just made me think of this quote from Dr. Caligari (a 1989 film that has nothing to do with the famous silent film):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8y-3Z-5QMQ
That is, BTW, not the strangest part of the movie by a long shot.
I might do ok if the world went to shit. I know the concept of gardening, but haven’t really been able to do it in years (my containers gardening attempts failed spectacularly). I can hand sew. I can weave & have a large “lap” loom I can contribute. I’d like to learn how to spin, but weaving & spinning are really more for people with money these days. I’ve made bread, but I don’t really have the energy for it. I’ve also made yogurt. I have a lot of books on canning & preserving. I can learn, too, which is more than those guys seem willing or able to do. And while I’m a massive introvert, I’m a decent person, also unlike them, so people with more skills than me would be likely to keep me around.
Uly:
Look, he’s a very busy man, ok?
As for the hair thing: dude, why should you care if a woman wants to change her hair colour? You know men can do that too, right? I knew a guy who turned up one day with green hair. Once we had determined that he was ok (it was so out of character that we worried a bit about his state of mind), all his friends were supportive. So, if you’re secretly jealous of women with blue hair, why not join them?
It’s almost like we can’t agree on objective beauty standards.
Also, nice double standard. If women change something about themselves, they’re fickle, irrational gold diggers. If men change something about themselves, it’s manly self improvement.
I don’t think any two minute hand job could possibly compete with this level of self-ego-stroking.
I have a friend who’s a wilderness guide, amd he once told me that in his experience, the people least equipped to survive in the wilderness are arrogant dudes. He dreads having them in his group. They fight with nature instead of quietly, humbly, observing it and absorbing its lessons. They have an overinflated sense of their own importance and assume they can simply subdue any problem. They overestimate their skills. Their swagger blinds them to reality.
I mean, these guys can’t even understand basic social interactions and what makes women tick. Yet they think they’ll be able to read novel, unpredictably unfolding situations instantly and make the correct judgement.
Women are all a single hive-minded monolith to them. Yet they think they’re going to be able to distinguish between poisonous and edible berries, or cloud formations.
They’re extraordinarily gullible, with atrocious emotional intelligence. Yet they think somehow they’re going to outsmart everyone else after the apocalypse and not fall prey to con artists, manipulative leaders, and bad guys.
They freak the hell out over blue hair and women wearing earphones on the subway. Yet they think they’ll be able to cope calmly with the loss of modern amenities, and with small problems that quickly turn life threatening when basic sanitation, medicine, and electricity aren’t readily available.
Uh huh.
Haha, I’m blonde, have died my hair
– dark brown
– black
– blonder
– pink
– purple
Even if you’re a misogynist and you hate women, it’s like… why get upset about this particular thing?
@Bakunin,
Exactly! I was only paying it peripheral attention, but these threads are just phenomenal. The sheer entitlement of these guys is mind-boggling, and Neil’s responses are so patient. You can tell he’s getting annoyed at one point because he says “that’s a load of twaddle.” Ouch 😀
(incidentally, I finally got hold of a copy of Marvel 1602, which I’m really looking forward to reading)
Ahhh, you go away to St. John’s for a week, you can safely expect the internet to be just as scuzzy as when you left it.
Kinda makes me wonder… of all the Canadian manosphere/alt-right jerkwads… never seen any from away. I’m sure they exist, but I’ve never encountered a Newfoundland internet a-hole. I figure they’re out doing more interesting things and too busy to troll the internet.
@Dvärghundspossen
Brief thought in passing on that.
They care so much about hair colour because it’s one of the only distinguishing features about a woman that they’re aware of.
To them, a woman changing her hair colour is practically changing her identity – her appearance is the only thing they value. Women who aren’t white, slim, and conventionally attractive don’t even register to them. Hair colour/style is one of the few distinguishing features on an endless parade of almost-identical, white women’s bodies.
It probably helps to keep in mind that they see women more as a layered set of fetishes than an individual. Brenda from the office might be a historian by training and enjoy scuba diving and YA fiction and who isn’t afraid to snap back if someone gets in her grille, but to them she’s [ Redhead | Freckles | Makeup | Dominatrix ].
That’s my opinion at least!
@Katamount – Out of curiosity, what’s the Canadian definition of “from away”? Is it geographical, or birthright? In Maine, “from away” means anyone who wasn’t born and lived their whole life in Maine. Some people have an even narrower definition (at least 2nd or 3rd generation Mainer).
@Buttercup
It’s a bit of both. I just realized I used it wrong in the above paragraph; should have said they “always” come from away rather than “never.”
Basically, if you have the accent and the slang and the knowledge, they’ll know you’re a local.
Always creepy to be reminded that the Brave New World the MRAs want is basically “Libertarians of Gor.”
Scild:
I’ve quoted this bit to agree with it, but as for the rest… I think it’s simpler than that. They’re aware that a woman changing her hair colour is almost certainly doing so for her own sake, rather than to please boners, and this is not permitted.
@Mish: OMG, they’re tone-policing Neil Gaiman because he called one of these querulous ass-barnacles a “twerp”! They’re playing the, “I pay your salary, sir; I’m entitled to some civility!” card! I can’t look!
(looks anyway)
I mean, yes, sure, in the relative scheme of things, being called a “twerp” by Neil Gaiman is probably equivalent to being called a “depraved whorehopper” by the late Hunter S. Thompson but that’s because Mr. Gaiman is so agreeable. I’ve been at two talks given by him and in both cases he went so beyond the call of duty signing books and comics that I’m surprised he had a working tendon left in his hand by the time he was done, and was unfailingly patient and polite to everyone throughout.
I still can’t quite understand how someone as nice as Neil Gaiman ended up married to an arse-kicking force of nature like Amanda Palmer.
It’s pretty clear from Neil Gaiman’s body of work that he’s got a lot of dark and twisty shit roiling around inside him.
I’m betting that despite their different surface masks, their souls are pretty similar…
Yeah, I was being flippant, but I’ve read American Gods… I know Gaiman isn’t uncomplicatedly nice (is anyone?)
(Also: 1602? Very disappointing, I thought)
I believe the phrase “Gaimansplaining” popped up on my twitter feed to describe the twaddle.
@Katamount:
Proof at least one has existed: Minassian. Proof one still does: there’s this one Canuck on the usenet group rec.arts.tv going by “RichA” who talks exactly like an American trumpkin, and is constantly grinding one particular axe: race. Definitely falls under the general heading of “alt-right”. Google Groups can be used to verify that this dungsnarfl exists and continues to burp out odious posts on a regular basis, and since that’s what he posts with as well, his IP address is in the headers of every post and can be verified to belong to a Canadian ISP by WHOIS type lookup tools.
Meanwhile, please see my query in the other thread about OESP. It apparently didn’t catch your eye. And I fear it’s becoming urgent.
@various:
On the topic of women dyeing their hair. I don’t think manurespherians like women leaving the borders of conventional beauty standards, which would include getting tattoos and any unnatural hair colors, and I think they like even less women consciously exercising self-ownership. (How they rationalize women using clothing and jewelry and styling natural-colored hair being OK, I don’t know … but then, often that is moving a woman toward conventional beauty standards, rather than away from them. So maybe they make an exception if it can be rationalized as “they’re doing it to please the menz”.)
K.:
That’s good! I’d also accept “Gaimangate”.
@ moggie and gaebolga
I liked comedian Andrew O’Neill’s speech/act at their wedding party.
“Amanda and Neil are very much in love. As we all know because they never fucking shut up about it on Twitter. There is a direct message function; just saying.”
@K.:
DEAD ?
I have never encountered this notion. Ever.
“Everyone” apparently means “married men,” and “cuckold” apparently means “man who’s wife has ever slept with anyone else ever, even before they met.”
I now picture a group of blue-haired women chasing a man down the street while announcing “We require more Vespene gas.”
@Allandrel:
“Everybody is
clevera cuck nowadays” — @JackWorthing99, The Importance of Being Edgy(with apologies to Oscar Wilde)
I found this horrible essay on Teen Ink, I’m thinking this is some young MRA dudebro or someone from a fundamentalist christian sect.
http://www.teenink.com/opinion/social_issues_civics/article/950642/Women-A-Subspecies-of-Man/
Yuck.