He drinks a cider drink: Huge weirdo Jordan Peterson says a glass of apple cider kept him awake for a month

@A. Noyd:

Night terrors were one of the fun side-effects of one of the drugs on my childhood’s psych-med-go-round. The same one also caused me to sleep up to 18 hours some days. I think it might even have been the same damned Haldol that caused that generalized dysphoria thing.

@Gaebolga:

I had an 8-month period of my life when I felt a constant – and constantly growing – sense of impending doom.

I think the clinical term for that is “the 2016 election campaign”. 🙂

Part of the Chuck Tingle/Laci Green argument, for those interested.
https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/1035193550466473984?s=19

Jordan Peterson: Dire Consequences of an All-Seagull Diet

For whatever reason I don’t get an edit window on my posts right now, so apologies for the botched HTML tags in my previous post. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. 🙁

Also, I wouldn’t worry too much about it, unless you know of family members who’ve had the condition.

Mish, it’s not really that I am afraid I will have it, that will be very unlucky. I am not sure exactly but its more because it is just so horrible to read about. Its like watching a horror movie, but real. And I will think about it for a long time now because that’s just my nature ?

it’s similar to how I felt after I read VDR transcript from El Faro, a vessel which sank in hurricane. I felt afraid for a long time after and I read the transcript many times (it’s 510 pages long!). I knew that I was not on that vessel and I didn’t know the people and hopefully I will never be on a vessel in that situation but I still felt afraid about it.

@Monzach

For whatever reason I don’t get an edit window on my posts right now, so apologies for the botched HTML tags in my previous post. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. ?

It’s not just you. Lots of people have been reporting issues with posts getting swallowed, not showing up right away, and not showing the edit link or showing up after the edit window is over.

Surplus to Requirements says:

I think it might even have been the same damned Haldol that caused that generalized dysphoria thing.

I haven’t had the…um…pleasure of making Haldol’s acquaintance. But that’s only because I made sure to look up the English for the prescription I got from this one jackass of a psychiatrist before I took it.

I was at the guy’s clinic because of anxiety and panic attacks, which I’ve had my entire life. So I’m familiar with the “psych-med-go-round” (nice term) and what works and what doesn’t. His prescribing me that, combined with his immeasurable condescension, ensured I never visited him again. I found out later he’s got a reputation for prescribing Haldol for everything and anything.

@kupo thanks for that twitter thread. I’ve been saying for a while that I don’t know what sex or gender is, but it was probably much more complicated than the two traditional boxes.

I’m begining to wonder whether lobsterman might be ill. I’m woefully unqualified to diagnose even if I met him in person, but he seems to me to be drifting away from reality in an unusual way. On top of being an authoritarian asshole, that is. Being ill and being an asshole are two different things, of course, but they sometimes occur together.

@Cat Mara:

Guess who was a famous victim of night terrors? None other than everyone’s favourite (sic) racist horror writer, H.P. Lovecraft! Who knew that the Necronomicon was in fact a diet book subtitled Scream Yourself Thin? ?

In fact (as you may well be aware), Lovecraft wrote a poem about night terrors specifically brought on dietary choices(1); this may well have had roots in his own experience. (2)

(1) http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/poetry/p085.aspx

(2) http://www.hplovecraft.com/life/interest/foods.aspx

@ A. Noyd:

– “Low blood sugar is associated with both pediatric and adult night terrors.”
– “[Adult] night terrors can occur each night if the sufferer does not eat a proper diet….”

As a sufferer from Type II diabetes and sleep apnea, I can personally attest a link between blood sugar and night terrors–although mine occur during hyperglycemic spells, and often follow the Old Hag archetype. (The most terrifying episode–and I realize that this risks sounding like a Bloom County strip–had Sarah Palin, in a perky yellow suit, squatting astride my chest.)

@Katamount, any other Ontarians here:

How do I renew my Ontario Electricity Support Program WITHOUT going through the entire rigmarole that one has to do to sign up the first time?

I want to just click “renew”, click “no, nothing has changed”, and have done with it. How the fuck do I do that? I have lost patience with this bureaucratic bullshit. I already did all of the labor demanded of me a year ago for this, and now I just want it working and staying working.

But their stupid website doesn’t seem to know the difference between “renew” and “new application”, and treats me as if I were a completely new applicant. Including eventually demanding that I print something out, which of course I can’t do because NOBODY USES PRINTERS ANYMORE, WE USE PHONES AND COMPUTERS TO DO EVERYTHING. Printers are expensive, useless boondoggles that constantly break down, especially if they AREN’T used frequently. If these idiots want me to print something out once a year they basically want me to spend $200 on a new printer every year just to print stuff for them, and no way no how that ain’t fucking happening.

They already have all of my information, and none of it has changed. They already have a consent form on file from me from last year. There IS NO NEED for all of this bullshit.

I just want to click a few things and be done! Or for them to have done the smart thing and it doesn’t NEED any kind of stupid “renewal” any more than my ODSP does!

Now someone please tell me how to make this whole thing just go away without any further work on my part. I don’t even remember what I did to circumvent their demand that I print their stupid form out last year, and I don’t want to remember, but I bet it involved enough hoop jumping and physically traveling around that I absolutely refuse to do it redundantly multiple times when once was already one time more than should have been necessary in this day and age.

So, how do I make this thing have been renewed with zero additional effort beyond a handful of mouse clicks or, at most, a phone call? Anyone?

@Full Metal Ox

Fellow sleep apnoea sufferer here. I have a fairly mild case as of it as things go.

I haven’t read that poem before but I think I did read that list at some point about HPL’s favourite foods. Interesting that mince pies were still A Thing in the States in his day whereas they seem to have gone totally extinct nowadays. So much so that an American friend of mine who moved to the UK and developed a taste for them had to make some YouTube videos to show his relatives back home exactly what he was talking about and explain that no, despite the name, they don’t have ground meat in them…

(The most terrifying episode–and I realize that this risks sounding like a Bloom County strip–had Sarah Palin, in a perky yellow suit, squatting astride my chest.)

There’s night terrors and there’s night terrors. As the man himself wrote, “there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order”. ?

@Dvärghundspossen:

I feel like I have a duty to take these discussions, and also sound as calm and reasonable to an outsider looking in as the TERFs I argue aganist because otherwise I’m just gonna fucking lose the discussion

Here’s a story of myself, a (former) outsider looking in:

I used to have an alt-right nazi sympathiser friend once, before I even knew what the alt-right was, before news of the resurgent nazi movement in the USA hit our country and my social circles and before I had been exposed to any kind of counter-discussion by level-headed normal non-nazi humans. But back to my alt-right (ex)friend. He was good at it, and I mean good. He had the charisma and smug demeanor to usurp every conversation in the direction he determined (when he wasn’t the instigator of the entire conversation itself) and make the most apalling things seem totally logical (like making the charlottesville murderer seem like self defense, white supremacy seem like champions of human rights, etc). He had me and everyone else in my friend circle hooked on his snake-oil sermons.

You know what the greatest weakness of bigots is? Fact.

I had a ‘heart-to-heart’ with the guy and a few other of his closest friends, alone in his rental. He started talking about a topic that I actually knew about, and I knew he was totally spouting bullshit, so I jokingly inserted a factoid that basically severed the foundation of his entire rambling speech.

These were his exact words (spoken jokingly with a smile):

“Oh I hate it when people know about things!”

Everyone there laughed it off like someone had just leg-hooked a martial arts master. The topic switched faster than the blink of an eye and his power over all conversation never waned for a second. He knew he had to distract attention from the facts as fast as possible, and he succeeded. But the seed of doubt never left me, and eventually, after starting to put a more critical eye to every downward-punching joke and unnecessarily hostile rant (and watching a couple factual documentaries), I ditched his neonazi ass and everyone else in that toxic circle of friends.

If you want to convince people who don’t know anything and are being manipulated by hateful propagandists, don’t let anyone say a single word without proving it. There is nothing hysterical about crushing peoples’ flimsy, emotionally charged nonsense with the burden of truth and opposing citations, nor is there anything “polite” about blathering on about pseudoscientific hate propaganda. They might claim otherwise, but anyone who openly spouts “facts don’t matter” or similar platitudes is self-delegitimising, and anyone who could be persuaded by that kind of speech is a lost cause anyway. You can’t make people “believe in their heart that facts are real”, they have to deal with that shortcoming themselves, all you can do is reveal hacks for what they are.

So, someone says “we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that trans* people are not what they say and perform needless surgeries”? Is there peer-reviewed evidence that trans people are not what they say they are? Is there any peer-reviewed evidence that surgeries are not beneficial? If a) and b) are both false why should we “not lose sight” of this non-fact?

Keep the pressure on their weak spot (facts) and don’t let up until they discredit themselves. Cite facts, demand facts, quote their own words exactly (avoid paraphrasing, it lets them hijack the conversation) and do not ever let anyone forget that they have refused to even answer that one question way back at the beginning of the conversation. I’ve had people openly admit they “find facts boring” and are “too lazy to look up sources” because they can’t prove a single word they say.