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4Channers transform David Hogg into gun-loving “Daisy” to own the libs, and everyone is confused, including them

Meet “Daisy Hogg,” 4Chan’s new girl

By David Futrelle

4Chan has a brand-new imaginary girlfriend, and she might look a little bit familiar to you. “Daisy Hogg” seems designed to win the hearts (and the pants-feelings) of the 4Chan demographic — she’s a young, slender hottie who loves guns, Trump, and owning the libs.

It doesn’t hurt, as far as 4Chan is concerned, that their new girl looks like she’s barely out of high school, if that, and that she enjoys posing in next-to-nothing, sometimes with assorted scary-looking guns as accessories.

Daisy loves her guns

The reason Daisy looks so familiar? Because this imaginary girlfriend is nothing more than a gender-swapped version of Parkland survivor and gun control advocate David Hogg, a figure almost universally loathed on the right.

Daisy was born last week after one inventive 4Chan anon thought to run some pictures of David Hogg through FaceApp’s female filter, transforming him instantly into a more-than-passable young woman — and a rather attractive one at that.

Other 4Chan anons went to work at once, photoshopping Daisy’s new face onto the bodies of bikini models, porn stars, and, in one case, Nancy Pelosi. Many anons can’t quite decide whether to mock David as Daisy, or whack off to her. For others. the decision hasn’t been hard, because something else has been.

Fucking hot what the fuck lmao

Those wicked enough should offer cum tributes to her as well

You faggots just fucked up my no fap streak!!!

The fact that she's both pretty yet recognizably hogg is what makes it so nut-worthy

Whoa... Is Daisy chan the waifu we deserve?

Some of the anons who aren’t cranking it to Daisy are devoting their energy instead into photoshopping her into 4Chan’s horny, semi-ironic version of a patron saint — and chastising those who are “tainting” her purity with their lusts.Β 

>>183159548 Take a deep breath and focus on the love Daisy has for her gives, don't taint something so beautiful.

Yes, her love for the second amendment and all guns is a beautiful message of love.

DAISY LOVES HER GUNS SO MUCH! IF ONLY I COULD LOVE SOMEONE AS MUCH AS SHE LOVES HER GUNS I WOULD DIE A HAPPY MAN!

Not every anon is quite so agog. This being 4Chan, some have been quick to deride the fascination with David-as-Daisy as “gay” and, ahem, “n***er tier.” Meanwhile, more-paranoid anons are suggesting that the new meme is somehow an elaborate false-flag “psyop” designed to … well, I’m not quite sure what these guys think the memes are supposed to be doing to their poor brains.

This is like number #1 grade A psyop right here. Only I hate women so it has no effect.

Babylonian tranny psyop.

So what does it all mean? A few anons have taken a shot at explaining the significance of this new meme. “David Hogg just announced that he intended to run for Congress,” writes one enthusiastic anon.

and now you’ve created a character more attractive, more meaningful, and more inspiring than he will ever be..Β 

Do you even realize how brilliant you are sometimes? His face is going to end up listed by the ADL as a hate symbol and he will spend the rest of his life seeing his likeness used to promote second amendment rights and right-wing ideologies.Β 

You sentenced him to a fate worse than obscurity.. You’ve eclipsed him with a shining star..

And that star is called Daisy-chan

I’m not quite so sure this meme is going to prove quite so potent outside the confines of 4Chan as it has within them. Even 4Channers struggle a bit trying to explain just what exactly this new meme actually means. I mean:

It is. Daisy Chan is the pro-guns version of the lesser David from a flawed dimension. We transcended now. Adapot to the new reality. DAISY CHAN LOVES HER GUNS!

That’s about as close as any 4Chan Daisy-explainer I’ve seen has gotten to a coherent explanation, and it doesn’t make a lick of sense.

I think the meme is a lot more interesting psychologically than it is politically. It seems clear enough that one of the impulses behind this forced feminization of David Hogg is a desire to degrade a young man who many channers clearly see as intimidating. By “reducing” him to a woman, they don’t have to take his ideas as seriously; they can sexualizeΒ him, transforming him into a pliable “waifu” who adores them and parrots their opinions, serving much the same function that the fictional Vivian James did for GamerGate. Even their non-sexual fantasies about her are all about ownership, if not of her body than of her mind.

But the “forced feminization” element makes Daisy more complicated than Vivian ever was. For some, the fact that “Daisy” began as David is part of her appeal. 4Channers have long fetishized trans women — or at least sexy young “traps” — as pseudo-women without all the man-hating baggage of “real” women, happy to offer up their sexuality to nerdy dudes who don’t actually like “real” women all that much. Never mind that this is as much a fantasy as Daisy herself is.

What makes it all stranger is that the conventionally very attractive “Daisy” is clearly out of their league, and the channers know it. They’ve transformed a hated ideological foe into a woman who, if she existed in real life, wouldn’t give them the time of day. Doesn’t this suggest that perhaps David Hogg is a bit out of their league as well? Some anons have tried to suggest that Daisy’s attractiveness isn’t a function of David’s chiseled features and high cheekbones but rather a reflection of his inherent sissy-tude.

He already looks so feminine, that's why he makes a hot trap... I mean look at those puppydog eyes and that weak jaw

basically david is low t and some autist is thirsty for his hole.

I think this is what’s known as “protesting too much.”

Outside of 4Chan, some are suggesting that the fetishization of Daisy is little more than a massive political self-own on the part of thirsty anons, as one widely shared tweet explained it:

https://twitter.com/MichaelEHayden/status/1034453814311563266

True, up to a point. But there is so much other stuff going on that we can’t really reduce it to a self-own. I’m not sure what to call it, exactly. But one thing is clear: it is 2018 as fuck.

NOTE: There have been a number of threads on Daisy over on 4Chan. The quotes and pics in this post all came from the thread archived here. I learned of the existence of Daisy from Hayden’s tweet above.

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bekabot
bekabot
6 years ago

David Hogg is pretty; no one disputes that: no one could; it’s a fact.

So, their point would be…?

TheKND
TheKND
6 years ago

First of all: The female version of David or Dave should be Daphne!
Second: . . .
Seriously?
Like, SERIOUSLY?
It’s not even a funny joke. It’s just dumb.

Pen
Pen
6 years ago

men who think we don’t have the same fear, wariness, and distrust as other women are very very wrong

Speaking as a gender neutral person whom society invariably identifies as a woman, I can tell you that I feel no fear, wariness or distrust around men, although I do think some of them (see OP) are raving idiots. And a few, of course are criminally dangerous. But only a few. Okay, so it’s possible to argue that I don’t feel fear, etc, because I’m not actually a woman. But if there is good reason to fear, it applies to me also, so…?

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
6 years ago

Sinkable John:

I… okay, I’m just gonna second everyone else who’s speechless.

Hey, y’all remember when we thought 2016 was weird ?

In 2015 I felt my annual quota for US political weirdness was filled in January, with the Malheur refuge occupation. In the beginning of 2016, I decided to not think it in terms of weirdness quota anymore, considering it was an election year and all.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

@Sinkable
After the Juggalos stated that they were on our side I kind forgot what β€œnormal” was.

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
6 years ago

@Cyborgette

Sorry about that. I understand what you mean now(and agree). With all the hate online (and off) it’s easy to jump to an uncharitable conclusion when something is kinda ambiguous.

Tovius
Tovius
6 years ago

@Surplus to Requirements

I’m hoping for β€œwhat you find in Dwarf Fortress if you dig deep enough”, myself.

Then again, maybe that already happened … it would explain so much.

I can definitely see trump as a clown from the circus.

LG
LG
6 years ago

Pen – if you don’t feel fear around even the “criminally dangerous” men you mention, your fear feeler is just plain broken, I’d say.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

Until they prove I can trust them I always have fear/cautions when I am around men I don’t know. I think it is just sensible. I will not tell my personal reasons but I am sure many people have their own reasons too, for fear and caution around men.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

@Jesalin

No problem, your suspicion is completely understandable. And I’ve been lousy at communicating the past few days anyway. Finishing a move, blowing through piles of savings to secure my housing, the heat wave, being on antibiotics for the last week, and unearthing all kinds of trauma I’d not even remembered… it messes with you.

I suppose this is an excuse, but yeah, I’m not functioning at full capacity right now. But I will do better.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

If Daisy were real, my money would be on her being another Tortise Lorraine clone, attempting to be famous and grifting money to do it.

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
6 years ago

Oof! Hopefully everything settles down (and cools off) soon so you can relax!

Oops, just noticed the reference to trauma! πŸ™

Well, having all that other pressure off would hopefully make it easier to deal with that too!

*hugs* if you want them

Tovius
Tovius
6 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Do I want to know who that is? (I tried googling the name, but all I got were a bunch of tortoises)

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

@Jesalin

*hugs accepted, with gratitude*

I’m managing. Metal helps if I can remember to listen to it πŸ™‚

And yeah, @various re: men and fear

A lot of it is personal variation. What traumas, how, when, circumstances, certain forms of luck and privilege or lack thereof, and just randomness. But overall my experience has been that most women, most people who present feminine, and most people who *have* at some point presented feminine, have trust issues around men.

It’s possible find women who aren’t at all scared of men. It’s also possible to find women with no developmental trauma at all. I do not think either kind of person is common.

Also, for the cis dudes here, worth noting that a lot of women give completely different responses on how they feel about men depending on whether they consider you male or female, for unfortunately obvious reasons of self preservation.

e.g. One of the horrifying things about early transition for me was learning all over again how big and brutal patriarchy is – hearing literally every woman I was close to, both cis and trans, mention at least one instance of sexual abuse. I don’t think I know *anyone* well who isn’t on some level a survivor, even the most financially and socially privileged.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@Tovius: You’re better with the tortises.

I was referring to Tomi Lauren, or whatever her name is. I can never remember, and I get her and Southern mixed up often, so Tortise Lorraine (or Tomato Laredo), is just as good.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

@Cyborgette
hugs, I hope things go better for you soon.

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
6 years ago

I don’t think I know *anyone* well who isn’t on some level a survivor, even the most financially and socially privileged.

πŸ™ Yeah. I’ve never had tons of friends, but of all the women I’ve been friends with, I think there were only one or two who hadn’t been raped or otherwise sexually assaulted. It’s disturbing to say the least.

On the whole, for women, dating (and just existing in proximity to men) is a minefield.

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
6 years ago

4channer1: Hey, fellow 4channer, let’s run David Hogg’s face through a gender-swap filter. I’m sure the results will greatly embarrass David.

4channer2: Good idea!

4channer1: Wow! Gender-swapped David is head-turningly attractive.

4channer2: She certainly is. How should we process this?

4channer1: The same way we process all information that makes us uncomfortable, extremely poorly.

(Note: conversation run through 4chan to English filter; and edited for clarity, content, and good taste.)

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

@Ooglyboggles

*gratefully accepts your hugs as well*

and thank you. I think they will, it’s just been a burst of chaos lately because of being forced out of another living space. (Long story.)

@Jesalin

Yes. All of that. πŸ™

Sheila Crosby
Sheila Crosby
6 years ago

@Cyborgette

I think you deserve a baby elephant.

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Everybody deserves a baby elephant.
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Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

Give a chan a foto…

I’m not surprised by anything these fools do, especially when it’s as ineffective as this.

No, this meme will not endure, it will vanish like smoke in a windstorm, reappearing fleetingly whenever David Hogg has inevitable success, and then vanishing again.

I find myself smiling whenever the Right cries about “not getting media time”… they’re not angry about not being publicised, they’re crying because NOBODYS LISTENING TO THEM

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

@Sheila

AAAIIII BABY ELEPHANT SO ROOOUNNNND AIIIIIIIIEEEEEE

*high pitched squeeing*

Thank you <3

Bakunin
Bakunin
6 years ago

I got my HRT prescription! Also, those elephants are awesome

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

Yay congrats Bakunin πŸ™‚

Tovius
Tovius
6 years ago

@ Paradoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut
Oh, those assholes. I was thinking of someone lower on the totem pole, like that woman who brought her guns to Kent State.

@ Cyborgette
Hugs if you want them. I have to be out of the house in a few days, myself, so I feel your pain there.

I don’t have any elephants, but I do have a penguin live cam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3aoxcIMbPw

@ Bakunin
Congrats!