By David Futrelle
4Chan has a brand-new imaginary girlfriend, and she might look a little bit familiar to you. “Daisy Hogg” seems designed to win the hearts (and the pants-feelings) of the 4Chan demographic — she’s a young, slender hottie who loves guns, Trump, and owning the libs.
It doesn’t hurt, as far as 4Chan is concerned, that their new girl looks like she’s barely out of high school, if that, and that she enjoys posing in next-to-nothing, sometimes with assorted scary-looking guns as accessories.
The reason Daisy looks so familiar? Because this imaginary girlfriend is nothing more than a gender-swapped version of Parkland survivor and gun control advocate David Hogg, a figure almost universally loathed on the right.
Daisy was born last week after one inventive 4Chan anon thought to run some pictures of David Hogg through FaceApp’s female filter, transforming him instantly into a more-than-passable young woman — and a rather attractive one at that.
Other 4Chan anons went to work at once, photoshopping Daisy’s new face onto the bodies of bikini models, porn stars, and, in one case, Nancy Pelosi. Many anons can’t quite decide whether to mock David as Daisy, or whack off to her. For others. the decision hasn’t been hard, because something else has been.
Some of the anons who aren’t cranking it to Daisy are devoting their energy instead into photoshopping her into 4Chan’s horny, semi-ironic version of a patron saint — and chastising those who are “tainting” her purity with their lusts.
Not every anon is quite so agog. This being 4Chan, some have been quick to deride the fascination with David-as-Daisy as “gay” and, ahem, “n***er tier.” Meanwhile, more-paranoid anons are suggesting that the new meme is somehow an elaborate false-flag “psyop” designed to … well, I’m not quite sure what these guys think the memes are supposed to be doing to their poor brains.
So what does it all mean? A few anons have taken a shot at explaining the significance of this new meme. “David Hogg just announced that he intended to run for Congress,” writes one enthusiastic anon.
and now you’ve created a character more attractive, more meaningful, and more inspiring than he will ever be..
Do you even realize how brilliant you are sometimes? His face is going to end up listed by the ADL as a hate symbol and he will spend the rest of his life seeing his likeness used to promote second amendment rights and right-wing ideologies.
You sentenced him to a fate worse than obscurity.. You’ve eclipsed him with a shining star..
And that star is called Daisy-chan
I’m not quite so sure this meme is going to prove quite so potent outside the confines of 4Chan as it has within them. Even 4Channers struggle a bit trying to explain just what exactly this new meme actually means. I mean:
That’s about as close as any 4Chan Daisy-explainer I’ve seen has gotten to a coherent explanation, and it doesn’t make a lick of sense.
I think the meme is a lot more interesting psychologically than it is politically. It seems clear enough that one of the impulses behind this forced feminization of David Hogg is a desire to degrade a young man who many channers clearly see as intimidating. By “reducing” him to a woman, they don’t have to take his ideas as seriously; they can sexualize him, transforming him into a pliable “waifu” who adores them and parrots their opinions, serving much the same function that the fictional Vivian James did for GamerGate. Even their non-sexual fantasies about her are all about ownership, if not of her body than of her mind.
But the “forced feminization” element makes Daisy more complicated than Vivian ever was. For some, the fact that “Daisy” began as David is part of her appeal. 4Channers have long fetishized trans women — or at least sexy young “traps” — as pseudo-women without all the man-hating baggage of “real” women, happy to offer up their sexuality to nerdy dudes who don’t actually like “real” women all that much. Never mind that this is as much a fantasy as Daisy herself is.
What makes it all stranger is that the conventionally very attractive “Daisy” is clearly out of their league, and the channers know it. They’ve transformed a hated ideological foe into a woman who, if she existed in real life, wouldn’t give them the time of day. Doesn’t this suggest that perhaps David Hogg is a bit out of their league as well? Some anons have tried to suggest that Daisy’s attractiveness isn’t a function of David’s chiseled features and high cheekbones but rather a reflection of his inherent sissy-tude.
I think this is what’s known as “protesting too much.”
Outside of 4Chan, some are suggesting that the fetishization of Daisy is little more than a massive political self-own on the part of thirsty anons, as one widely shared tweet explained it:
https://twitter.com/MichaelEHayden/status/1034453814311563266
True, up to a point. But there is so much other stuff going on that we can’t really reduce it to a self-own. I’m not sure what to call it, exactly. But one thing is clear: it is 2018 as fuck.
NOTE: There have been a number of threads on Daisy over on 4Chan. The quotes and pics in this post all came from the thread archived here. I learned of the existence of Daisy from Hayden’s tweet above.
Sorry, I’d never heard of this “norm on the web”, it seemed completely normal for me to provide a downloadable document if you are having trouble with the primary source. ^^’
Surplus,
Didn’t we just go through a similar discussion a couple of weeks ago? You wanted to stop talking about it. I recommend that you not just bow out of the discussion because without resolving this issue, it will just come up again.
If you continue to spit on everyone who tries to be nice or helpful to you, people are going to stop being nice to you and no one will want to help you.
Case in point: I posted that pdf version hoping that agreeing with you on the quality of that particular site and agreeing with you on one of your general complaints about websites would get a neutral or positive response. As being nice, providing extra work, and not contradicting you in any way has still resulted in a negative response, I’ll likely adjust for this by not responding at all next time.
@kupo
Agh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest that you should’ve known to provide a certain type of document or a link by apologizing to Surplus! I don’t think you did anything wrong, I’m sorry. D:
And sorry to all the others as well for causing any strife in here. I just thought I should try to be brave and call out behaviour I thought was wrong. ?
@Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Ugh, I remember a French actress making a similar remark when #MeToo broke. There seems to be an inordinate number of women in the French arts establishment willing to play “chill girl” when faced with evidence of the monstrous behaviour of powerful men.
@Valkyrine
Oh no no no. I was directing that at Surplus. Your response was fine and appreciated! Sorry for being unclear who I was referring to.
*Valkyrine
*hugs*
You’re perfectly fine! 🙂
@kupo
No need to apologize, I did get who your comment was directed at, it just made me realize that even if it was some standard on the net (which I actually kinda do doubt, my conflict aversive instict just kicked in at the last minute and I changed the phrasing of expressing that) it still wouldn’t excuse their rude attitude towards you, and it could be read that I was giving it a pass. But it’s not okay, you were being helpful and Surplus was making it out to be a personal affront on them, I shouldn’t coddle that kind of behaviour. 🙁
@Valkyrine
No worries! I don’t think you were minimizing the rudeness aspect at all by addressing that.
I’m a web developer this is the first I’ve heard of such a standard! Especially considering the pdf was hosted by the article’s author and is from the print version of the publication. Whenever I’ve done work with providing online versions of print media, the standard has been pdf format. Hope that helps! ?
@kupo and Jesalin
Thank you, I feel better knowing I didn’t offend you guys! ?
A thought experiment: suppose Daisy Hogg were to come to three-dimensional flesh-and-blood life (as a genderswapped clone, since transitioning David without his consent would be rude.)
She’s cute–qualifying for Stacyhood according to the Incel Sorting Hat–and would instantly draw suitors the way a Mountain Dew spill draws yellowjackets.
She looks to be young enough that her impulse control is still a work in progress.
She’s heavily armed and proud of it–and quite probably believes in Standing Her Ground.
Now consider the gratitude that Frankenstein monsters have traditionally felt–and shown–their creators…particularly in light of the responsibility that said creators have traditionally shown their monsters.
What would her reaction really be toward hooting, leering, groping, entitled incels?
The morgue would be working over-time.
@Surplus
Traditionally, when people go out of their way to provide you with something in good faith, the expected response is to thank them for their efforts, even if it isn’t something that fits all your desired criteria.
For example, you could have gone “Oh, thanks for hunting that down! Unfortunately, I’m a bit leery of the PDF format. It’s too bad that the article isn’t available in HTML instead. Oh, well, I’ll [see if I can hunt a better format down/live without reading the article/download the PDF once I determine it’s safe, etc].”
The waiter analogy is not an ideal one because it is the waiter’s JOB to provide you with dessert. (Sorry, Valkyrine, nothing against you.) Kupo is in no way obligated to provide you with an article, let alone one in a format that suits your particular fancy.
It’s more like… If you were outside in a park talking about how it’s so hot and how a popsicle would be amazing, and a friendly passerby offers you half of their double-stick popsicle. And you decline, because you don’t want to share unwrapped food with some stranger, which is entirely reasonable. And then the passerby goes “makes sense! I also have this ice cream sandwich, it’s still wrapped, you can have it if you want?” And you respond with “Ugh, I hate ice cream sandwiches so much. I wanted a POPSICLE, not that crap. I don’t even know why anyone buys ice cream sandwiches.” It’s pretty fucking rude to say to someone who’s offering you something they have no obligation to give.
@Catalpa
No problem, I guess I didn’t quite think through all the angles of that comparison. ^^’