By David Futrelle
Well, this little joke went over well on Twitter so I thought I’d post it here too.
Here’s one that didn’t go over quite as well. But it might just come to haunt your dreams.
I saw this so now you have to see it too pic.twitter.com/mSHcWXj6ou
— David Futrelle (@DavidFutrelle) August 15, 2018
Some good-ass tweets by people who aren’t me:
https://twitter.com/maddc8/status/1029184821329833986
https://twitter.com/BoringEnormous/status/1028321380213907458
Somebody waited their whole life to write this serial number pic.twitter.com/WxnKJwVbHw
— WendigoPBFox (@tmaxxnc) August 14, 2018
Accidentally shitting yourself vs. Defiantly shitting yourself to own the libs. pic.twitter.com/HIGCYuP1dJ
— Sir Woofingtons (@Sir_Woofingtons) August 15, 2018
@Catalpa
I love all the handwringing over “the good of society” that fails to address the gigantic weapon-toting elephant in the room. As if society is more at risk from a woman having a STEM job, than a man stockpiling AK-47s and nursing a bitter grudge.
@WWTH
This is what bugs me most about evo psych. There’s literally no way to get inside the skulls of humans from 20,000 years ago to understand how they thought. So evo pysch adherents insert their own motivations, and the result is a tribe of nomadic savanna dwellers with the gender politics of “Mad Men”.
??? Who says Freudian slips aren’t real?
Trollboy is prolly referencing the early 1900s as his heyday of “before feminism” since most right wing types do. Let me also point out that there was an epidemic of “happy” housewives using opiates (and later barbiturates) to treat their daily “hysteria” during these times.
I never much thought of “the Valley of the Dolls” as a how-to manual for society, although I suppose the women in the book were “happy”.
Who said women only want children if they’re coerced? Forced to be a legally powerless housewife =/= being a mother. There are lots of different ways to be a mother. Lots of feminist women are mothers.
Ohhhh looks like I caught trollboy before he could edit his “typo”. David, why don’t I get an edit window if he does? *stomps feet petulantly*
@weirwoodtreehugger
You are absolutely correct. Happiness is a subjective thing, obviously and objective measurement of it is difficult.
It may be that people ask themselves ‘compared to what’ when asked the question. In other words a woman asked 100 years ago if she was happy might be happy because quite limited expectations are met.
Her husband is kind, a good provider and so on. True, he is a bit ugly and he farts a lot but how much can one person expect?
Today we have advertising telling her all the things she does not own. She has woman’s magazines telling her she should be having 11 mind blowing orgasms a night and she has feminism telling her that her husband is defective because he is a man.
Her life is better but her experience of it is worse.
@London Pilgrim
Oh goody, the appeal to nature fallacy. I was wondering when that would show up.
You and the other lobster boys seem content to structure your entire lives around your animal instincts. The rest of us have learned to master them.
This is capitalism, not feminism. Feminists are highly critical of the advertising aimed at women. We always have been. We’re critical of women’s magazines. Always have been. That women are so often subjected to harmful advertising, marketing and media messages really undercuts your claim that feminism is the establishment.
This doesn’t actually happen. Interesting how you opened with accusations of us putting words in Jordan Peterson’s mouth and now you’re making a claim that is completely unsupported by evidence.
Feminists say women don’t have to be married if they don’t want to. We say that abuse and marital rape are wrong. We don’t say men are defective. If anything, it’s anti-feminists who say that. You’re the ones always arguing that men are biologically hardwired to rape and be violent. You’re the ones arguing that men just can’t help going on murder sprees if nobody hands them a submissive housewife to abuse.
@London Pilgrim
Oh goody, the appeal to nature fallacy. I was wondering when that would show up.
You and the other lobsterboys might be content to base your whole lives around your animal instincts. The rest of us have learned to master them. It’s called free will.
@Richard Ford
Are you suggesting that because people are becoming more aware of inequality, their dissatisfaction means we should go backward to the way things were before people were noticing how rotten the system is? That’s like putting duct tape over your car’s “CHECK ENGINE” light and saying “There! Solved!”
Dissatisfaction is the engine that moves us forward to a better future. Most of human progress has come about because people saw a problem and wanted to solve it. Happiness isn’t the only yardstick by which to measure the overall health of a society. Autonomy is another important yardstick.
@mish
Congratulations. You have either read some JP or seen a video. I can respect someone who is sufficiently open to ‘the other side’ to have curiosity.
I force myself to watch some mainstream media on Mondays. I do not enjoy it but it makes me a better man.
@Richard Ford
What’s wrong with expecting mind-blowing orgasms?
@London Pilgrim
I force myself to watch some mainstream media on Mondays. I do not enjoy it but it makes me a very pretentious man
FIFY
@weirwoodtreehugger
Amazing. You can tell me my views on rape by ‘psychic osmosis’ and even project the ‘all men are rapists’ feminist trope upon the equal rights movement!
Do you work for Channel 4 by any chance?
@violet
If I were a feminist and you were a man I would call you a rapist for asking that question.
You keep talking about how women said they were happier 100 years ago. Where are you getting your data about women’s happiness back then? What were the demographics of their study population, and what was its size? Were any groups underrepresented or excluded?
And what about the modern data you’re comparing this historical data to? What are the differences in population selection criteria and size? How are you accounting for such differences?
Surely you’re not just pulling this shit out of your ass and then making up stories about why some imaginary shit is the way you imagine it is….
@London Pilgrim
No, you wouldn’t.
@Richard Ford/London Pilgrim
Are you not arguing that the “solution” to incels reaping and murdering us because they’re “disenfranchised” is to return to some past ideal of enforced monogamy? What do you think that implies about the nature of men?
@weirwoodtreehugger.
Some feminists have children, but too few to prevent you dieing out.
And no… this is not what I wish upon you. I hope you will embrace something more life affirming.
[Emphasis mine]
Citation desperately needed that you are a better man.
And if you truly are better, I really don’t want to know how appalling you were before…
@kupo
There are a growing number of men who care not if the world burns down. It worries me.
?this is not answering her question.
please derail more – it really helps your argument!
second, good you are worried about this! feminists are also worried about this – and have plenty of ideas and solutions which are much better than barbaric “enforced monogamy”. probably because feminists treat women like human, not just possessions like JP and his fans?
Where are you getting your data about the increasing number of nihilistic men? What historical data set are you using, and what modern data set are you comparing it to? Are you just looking at data from a specific location, or are you making claims about the global population?
You keep trying to speak with an authority you’ve done nothing to earn.
You keep failing.
@London Pilgrim
I’m very concerned that you don’t understand the difference between “an orgasm” and “rape”.
Re: an orgasm – if two people are having sex, it is not unreasonable to expect that each partner will do their best to ensure the other one has an orgasm. I certainly expect an attempt to make me orgasm when I have sex. If someone had their own orgasm and then just rolled over and went to sleep without making any attempt to please me, I’d have something to say about it, and also I wouldn’t have sex with them ever again. That is just rude.
Re: rape – you shouldn’t be raping people at all.
Argh, WHTM keeps eating my comments for some reason. Trying this for the third time.
@London Pilgrim
Nice “appeal to nature” fallacy. You and the other lobsterboys might be content to base your whole lives around your animal instincts. The rest of us have mastered them and moved on. (And no, that doesn’t mean feminists reject motherhood…it means women aren’t defined solely by their uteri.)
@Richard Ford
Just because people are starting to wake up to how rotten the system is, that doesn’t mean we should go backwards to the days when people weren’t allowed to criticize the system. That’s like putting a piece of duct tape over the “CHECK ENGINE” light on your car and saying “There, solved it!” Dragging gender relations back to the 1800s wouldn’t even work. We live in the 21st century, where people socialize and work and think differently.
If people are unhappy about something, that’s not a bad thing. It’s an opportunity to ask why . Dissatisfaction is the engine that moves society forward. Much of human progress is the result of people seeing a problem and coming up with an innovative solution to fix it.
Anyway, happiness isn’t the only yardstick that matters when measuring the well-being of a society. Equality and autonomy are other important indexes. Maybe more important.
cracks knuckles
@ Scildfreja
Oh, this should be good!