By David Futrelle
Well, this little joke went over well on Twitter so I thought I’d post it here too.
Here’s one that didn’t go over quite as well. But it might just come to haunt your dreams.
I saw this so now you have to see it too pic.twitter.com/mSHcWXj6ou
— David Futrelle (@DavidFutrelle) August 15, 2018
Some good-ass tweets by people who aren’t me:
https://twitter.com/maddc8/status/1029184821329833986
https://twitter.com/BoringEnormous/status/1028321380213907458
Somebody waited their whole life to write this serial number pic.twitter.com/WxnKJwVbHw
— WendigoPBFox (@tmaxxnc) August 14, 2018
Accidentally shitting yourself vs. Defiantly shitting yourself to own the libs. pic.twitter.com/HIGCYuP1dJ
— Sir Woofingtons (@Sir_Woofingtons) August 15, 2018
Happy Anniversary, mildlymagnificent!
I did have to laugh uproariously at the idea that being married for 20 years makes you “old”. Unless being in your 40s is old now? My grandparents, now they were old (they both lived into their 90s). And married for over 60 years – they had their 60th anniversary in 1995 and grandpa died in 1998, although grandma lived a few months past what would have been their 70th anniversary.
I don’t recall grandpa ever saying “yes, dear” to grandma, though. Usually he said things like “I’m going for coffee.” Not long before he died, he was more likely to say things about not realising how much work keeping up even their smallish apartment was (he had to start helping because it was too much for my 87ish grandmother). He also usually walked next to grandma so she could lean on him when they walked anywhere outside of their home, because she had balance issues and he was decent human being.
@mildlymagnificent
Happy Anniversary!
@mildymagnificent
Thank you for sharing this. We agree far more than you might think. Loyalty, love, compassion and so on are a big part of the traditionalism that the left effects to despise and yet sometimes secretly practaces.
Sometimes those who talk of nothing but good secretly do evil and sometimes people who promote socialism secretly do good. It is a strange world.
@scildfreja.
Thank you. I really value what you are doing and astonished too. Most probably because of my biases, yes. We all have them.
It has been my ambition for a long time to have a rational discussion with a feminist. The usual reaction I get is a stream of insults and straw men or phisical violence (a slap across the face is generally not seen as violent when comming from a woman but I like to judge men and women by the same yardstick).
I will read your posts again and give them the consideration they deserve. I would like to lay my pain asside so that I can think more clearly. I will do my very best to do so.
@London Pilgrim
Video or it didn’t happen.
@scildfreja
First things last. I never stated that men and women should be held to different standards. This is what I am trying to get away from!
Feminism would have us believe that ‘patriarchy’ holds women to a higher standard of sexual conduct. I think it is probably true that women tend to call other women sluts a lot (as a jockying for status) but is this really patriarchy?
Society values what is rare. A man who is sexually sucessful is admired on one level and scorned on another because it is a rare achivelent. It is not approved of but it is impressive as an achievement. For a woman it is rather easy.
How whould it be possible to have a society where one sex is expected to be faithful and the other not. How would that even work unless all men were to become bisexual?
This is one of those unexamined ‘truths’ of feminsim. I think we have the right to question them particularly as it is a logical impossiblity.
Why do I think female control of long term relationships is inevitable? Only because it is true of London and London contains pretty much every culture of the world. I would have come across an exception by now.
It also seems remarkably consistant throught English history. It is true that what we know about English culture comes mainly from the middle and upper classes because the working classs rarely got written about but the patten seems clear none the less.
You also assume that I want to compel people to live ‘my way’. This is a natural assumption for someone on the left as for them everything is compelled. If feminism is a good idea then it must be adopted by everyone and none may complain about it.
I am from the right and therefore pro choice in all things. If you are a feminist then be one- but do not impose it upon innocent bystanders. This is all I ask. I choose not to be and I will leave feminsts alone to the extent they leave me alone!
@scildfreja
I think I have caught an unconcious bias of yours!!!
Whenever I talk about a negative behaviour you assume I am talking about women exclusively! I am not!!
Is the London Troll still here?
Anyway it is nonsensical to claim society values sexually successful men because they are “rare”.
If that were true good looking, classically desirable men would be slut shamed because it is easier for them and classically unattractive women who are sexually successful would be applauded.
That’s not the case because it’s about controlling female sexuality.
Anyway I still don’t get why he is here. He’s basically an incel anti-feminist who is also completely incoherent with his argument and makes little attempt to actually properly address the questions posed to him. I mean “control relationships” and he knows this because he lives in London?
This is just poor trolling surely.
And just to add slut shaming is not just something women do.
Plenty of men devalue women based on sexual history.
@treehugger
‘Feminists say women don’t have to be married if they don’t want to.’
Do feminists say the same about men I wonder?
@steph
You are part right. Sluttyness is not so much about history as availbility. When a woman devalues another woman in this way she usually refers to clothing and appearance.
It is true that men do not marry slutty women but this is a practical matter. He wants the children he raises to be his own. It does not prove that he values her less as a human being- although he might.
@steph
‘If that were true good looking, classically desirable men would be slut shamed because it is easier for them and classically unattractive women who are sexually successful would be applauded.’
This rather proves my point..
If men were women and women were men this would be true. The fact is that men must be successful and charismatic to get attention. Money alone will not do it. Looks count for almost nothing.
He is admired for these qualities. Success with women proves he has Alpha qualities. A man who goes to Bangkok and sleeps with 100 prostitute is not admired.
No London Pilgrim it’s not a practical matter.
It’s seeking to control female sexuality. Promiscuous and infidelity are two different things. You are trying (and failing) to justify a double standard.
And I didn’t prove your point. I was pointing out that it’s nonsense to claim that slut shaming is just about valuing that which is rare or “harder” to do. It’s also a nonsense to claim men must be successful and charismatic to get attention. Plenty of men lacking both have many sexual partners.
@London Pilgrim
Of course feminists say men don’t have to marry if they don’t want to.
Which feminists do you know who push the idea that men (and by extension women) have to marry?
You are confusing social conservatives with feminists.
Plus a minute ago you were defending Peterson’s “enforced monogamy” comments and now you are criticising feminists for apparently insisting men marry. Is Jordan Peterson now a feminist?
You are a boringly inconsistent troll.
And yes deriding somebody has not worthy of a serious relationship due to sexual history is devaluing them as a person. As is defending them being disrespected on account of their sexual history (as these kind of men tend to do.)
@steph
Then will you recognise the double standard here.
When a woman does not marry she is some sort of empowered feminist princess.
When a man does not marry he is an incel and it must be because he hates women.
Maybe not everyone is lucky in love. Maybe their value as human beings is independent of whether you feel they are attractive?
Just a thought.
The men who call themselves incels are a subset of unmarried men, and they’re the ones who keep indicating they hate women, by publicly cheering whenever one is killed.
There are plenty of unmarried men who are not incels.
@moon
So are you willing to grant men the same rights as women when it comes to not getting married?
Way to change the definition of incel.
I don’t see them ranting about not getting married; all I see them do is rant about not getting laid.
You do know that those aren’t the same thing, right? Because you keep making up definitions of common words rather than using the definitions everyone else uses.
Gee, I wonder why that is? It couldn’t possibly be because it gives you (flimsy and intentional) cover to claim “you don’t understand what I’m trying to say,” right?
Of course not. \s
Jesus fucking Christ; there you go again, just making shit up and pretending it’s a fact.
Please provide evidence of any credible feminist who says that women shouldn’t have to get married but men do. Just one.
You can’t do that, just like you can’t provide evidence for any of your other claims, because the evidence doesn’t exist.
Just because you say it, that doesn’t make it true. Helll, with you, if you say it, it’s probably bullshit.
Evidence. Where is your evidence?
Show us your evidence.
Quote the feminists who have this imaginary double standard on marriage that you completely made up.
@London,
You have invented that “double standard”.
Nobody calls men who choose not to marry “incels”. NOBODY.
Incels is a term a certain class of men have selected for themselves because they are annoyed that the women they feel entitled to date don’t wish to date them.
You cannot just invent things. Anybody can check out the incel sites and see these aren’t merely bachelors…
The clue is in the term “in”cel. As in “involuntary.” If they were merely choosing not to marry why would they call themselves “involuntarily celibate”?
Can somebody just take this troll out? I can deal with somebody having different views but when they just start talking nonsense it is too much.
And nobody sees an unmarried woman as an “empowered princess”.
She is either called a spinster or just an unmarried woman. Unless you can support your assertion. You cannot make stuff up and claim it as fact.
@steph
At what point did I say that incels chose to be incels. I would hardly use the kinder term ‘unlucky in love’ if that were the case now would I?
I find it significant that you only atack men for being incels. There are women who make this claim too- why not attack them equally?
There is a peculiar kind of projection going on here. You invent bizarre meanings for things I say and then use my actual position to disprove your straw man version of what I say.
Sincerity please!
@Steph
Unfortunately, as Trump so clearly demonstrates, if someone lies all the time and just keeps lying because they don’t have the basic decency and respect for others to value truth, there’s no really way to “take them out.” They just keep lying and will never stop.
The best we can do is point out that they lie constantly, so that people who actually care about truth and honesty and reason know what the liar is.
Thus it is with LP/RF. He can’t back up any of his lies, so he doesn’t even try; he just ignores people who ask questions that will nail down his statements as false.
Apparently, he’s too stupid to try ignoring Sclidfreja, so instead he seems to be going back to his old standard: lying about what she said.
It’s pathetically obvious what he’s doing, but there’s no way to actually stop him from lying.
It’s what he does.
@steph
Quite obviously since my focus was on the double standards of this board I was talking about the people here.
I notice you have dodged the question again.
Oh good, then you can point to where any member of this board (who isn’t a troll) has said that men have to get married and women don’t.
It should be easy.
Unless you’re a liar, of course.
I look forward to you ignoring this request for evidence to prove your claim. Again.