By David Futrelle
Evolutionary Psychology is a problematic discipline to begin with, relying heavily on simplistic evolutionary “just-so” stories that for some mysterious reason always seem to reinforce the most reactionary notions about gender and human nature.
But if you add a dollop of incel ideology to the Evo Psych stew, you get something truly horrifying. Over on the Incels.me forum — a reliably repugnant forum popular with some of the world’s worst “involuntary celibates” — one commenter recently tried to use evolutionary biology to explain why rape was not only justified but something close to a sacred duty for all men who want to “advance our species.”
“It is Your Biological Duty to Impregnate Females,” ItheIthe began.
As a male, your evolutionary and biological impulse is to impregnate females and spread your seed. Each and every one of you is responsible for advancing our species. That is what you are here for. If you fail to do so … [y]ou have done nothing to pass on your genes … You are among lowest form of life there is.
Weird, because there are plenty of people who have contributed mightily to human civilization without ever having kids, including Jane Austen, Susan B. Anthony, Beethoven, Leonardo Da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Debbie Harry, Haruki Murakami, and, er, Betty White, to name just a few on this giant list I found after literally ten seconds of Googling.
Also, what the fuck does it matter if you “advance our species” or not? Live the best life you can. Try to be decent to other people and nice to pets and other animals. Life is tough enough; don’t burden yourself with weird and grandiose expectations on top of everything else.
However, because the purpose of existing is to pass on our genes and advance your species, the true alpha male is the male who has the most children. He did the most to advance our species.
Donald Trump has five kids (that we know of). Neither he nor any of his terrible children are doing anything to “advance our species.” (Barron might turn out ok; we don’t know yet.) Indeed, there’s a good case that he’s dramatically increased the risk that our species might destroy itself and much of the world with it through nuclear war and/or unchecked global warming. His ignorant recklessness is one of the main reasons the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Doomsday clock is now set to the truly scary two minutes to midnight.
Up until this point, ItheIthe has mostly just been wrong. But his argument is about to get very, very ugly as well.
Morals are real, because we need them to function as a unit. However, morals do not apply to females, as they are evil and cold-hearted, as well as good for nothing.
ItheIthe went back on that last bit pretty quickly after he remembered where babies come from. But first:
They are biologically inferior to us, and we, as morally, emotionally, and physically superior, are free to do what we please with them, as we would with any other species we dominate, such as cattle or oxen.
It’s a little hard to take someone’s “science” seriously when he thinks women are somehow a different and inferior species from men.
Since females are only good for reproduction, there is morally nothing wrong with raping a female – as long as you don’t pull out – to ensure you do your biological responsibility and pass on your genes.
Well, that’s horrifying, but at least he remembered the basic facts of reproduction (even if he has forgotten about the existence of trans women and infertile people).
This is not only okay to do, it is your biological responsibility. The only exceptions are: 1. A female in a “relationship” because societies function better without adultery, and 2. Virgin females because they are extra valuable for a “relationship”. All other females are in bounds.
I guess traditionalists can feel grateful he’s remembered that whole “virgin/whore” dichotomy.
Once again, females are biologically inferior to males. Males are good at all the physical labor that is required to uphold infrastructure and housing. Women are not. Men have made virtually all the advances in science and technology. Women have not. Men have many productive hobbies and interests. The only thing women do is try to seduce males.
At this point I’m pretty sure he’s never talked to a woman outside of his family, or cracked a book outside of a math textbook or video game guide.
That is proof that being used for reproduction is their only purpose. In third world countries, especially African ones entrenched in wars, rape happens all the time and no one gives a fuck.
There are people in all countries — rich or poor, peaceful or war-torn — with some pretty fucked-up ideas about rape; hell, our shithead president brags about sexual assault. But there is no society on earth in which “no one gives a fuck.”
Society here only pretends to give a fuck because we pretend to be romantically monogamous. But we’re not, the average female has like 30+ partners lifetime and therefore has romantic value.
I think there must be a word missing at the end. Surely he doesn’t think women have any “romantic value,” whatever that means.
More to the point, the average American woman doesn’t have dozens of sexual partners over her lifetime (not that there’s anything wrong with that). As I pointed out only a month ago in a slightly different context, incels and MGTOWs and other misogynistic douchebags tens to wildly overestimate how many partners women have. In fact, according to the CBC,, the median number of (opposite sex) partners that American women between 25 and 44 had over their lifetimes (as of 2011-2015) was 4.2; men had 6.1.
Virtually everything these guys think they know about female sexuality stems from fantasies rooted in misogyny and their own insecurity.
The only thing it is good for is passing on genes. There’s nothing wrong with the rape of these females.
Referring to a woman as “it” — the cherry pit on top of this incel shit sundae.
I’m not saying I’m going to rape a female, I’m just saying there’s nothing wrong with it, since females are unworthy of us.
Says someone whose biggest accomplishment in life is posting 3,993 messages on Incels.me under a fake name.
I would not only say that rape is acceptable, I’d actually encourage it as your biological and primitive responsibility to rape a female and advance our species, as long as that female fits those brief conditions.
And on this thoroughly reprehensible note, ItheIthe’s wrapped up his latest contribution to the advancement of the human species.
ItheIthe’s argument got a mixed response from his fellow incels. While some commenters hailed it as “high IQ” brilliance, others dismissed it as the “autistic rant” of a cuck with an extremely poor understanding of biology.
“The reason incels exist according to evolutionary biology is simply because they are cucked by Chad due to his outstanding genetics i.e. survival of the fittest according to Darwin,” wrote warriorgenetics, perhaps the harshest critic.
As far as your autistic rant about raping women just LDAR [Lie Down and Rot] bro let your inferior genetics end with you if you can’t out compete Chad in this cuck or be cucked world we live in.
But others found ItheIthe’s post, well, inspiring.
“If rape was legal it would be definitely better for us,” wrote someone called mentalcel.
Currently chad and high status men are using law against to keep their women … Women are far from making rational decisions … their choice of men is not even good for the society.
“Rape isn’t even a big deal,” wrote armis, “they just get upset because it wasn’t Chad or Tyrone doing the raping.”
“What’s the point of dehumanizing the enemy if you don’t want to abuse them?” asked Atavistic Autist.
I think foids can count themselves lucky if all they get from an incel is rape. That is, unless foids would prefer death to having an incel touch them.
While more than a few of the commenters blanched at the idea of rape, some of them still found ItheIthe’s assessment of women persuasive.
Someone called engineerescortceller declared flat out that he didn’t think rape was “good morally” But at the same time he agreed with ItheIthe that “females”
simply care about Chad and not much more. Men on the other hand (maybe because many are born ugly?) want to fulfill themselves in other ways.
Females are the most egocentric and hateful beings on the planet. Their goal is to get Chad, get babies and pass them. If you get in the way of their plans they’ll try to destroy you and they will wish you death.
I believe that’s what the regular psychologists would call “projection.” Hatred and self-loathing are a terrible mix — and the incel movement is an amplifier of both.
People like this are why I carry pepper spray.
And a collapsible baton.
And a 9mm.
I’ve been raped. It won’t happen again. They’ll have to kill me.
Scratching my head here at the discovery that the bro code apparently overrides the ‘biological imperative’. They won’t go after Chad’s woman? They won’t go after virgins who might someday BE Chad’s woman? Don’t these evo-psych buffoons realize that male mammals prove their biological fitness not by rape but by fighting other males for mating rights? Or is that just too scary to contemplate? After all, their skinny little wrists might get sprained.
As for me, I just consider that my biological responsibility is to take out any of these fuckers that interfere with me or mine, or, you know, anyone in my general vicinity. Makes the breed stronger, you know. And potentially less antisocial.
It’s like my Dad says. “God created ’em male and female. Sam Colt made ’em equal.”
(Apropos only of the mating thing, my parents took a guided hike a couple of years ago during elk mating season. The guide kept them far from the elk, explaining that a dominant male has up to forty cows in a herd, and they each go into heat at a different time, and need to be bred pretty much RIGHT THEN, so the male is constantly sniffing for new information about who is hot to trot, plus guarding the herd from predators. As a result, he explained, your bull elk during mating season is sexually excited, stressed, and more than a little freaked out, and sometimes stomping a hiker seems like the best thing he could do to relieve his feelings. So they steer clear.)
Also, George Washington had no biological children. Somehow, I get the impression he did accomplish some stuff.
Although these guys are probably more impressed with the fact that something like a third of European and Asian men have genes showing a male-line descent from Genghis Khan.
As far as ‘women contribute nothing to anything at all’.
The first person to ever win two Nobel Prizes (physics and chemistry) was Marie Curie.
Without Emmy Noether theoretical physics wouldn’t be what it is today. Her theorems are essential.
Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer.
So, stemlords, what have you done for science?
Would a species really evolve to be as successful as humans if roughly %50 of individuals were “biologically inferior?” Wouldn’t it be way harder for them to compete and therefore they’d die out? Does any of this crap make any scientific sense?
Indeed, he seems to be the very reason why “I have a boyfriend” is a common white lie with women.
I think a story or comic about a Noether–Curie–Lovelace team-up would be fun to write. I may do that.
@BS
Yikes! I think you should stay with your fluffy kittens, dude, and try to leave us women alone.
A bit off topic (but relevant to the general purpose of this site); a group I am a member of has just published this interesting article on fascism, the “alt-right” and the misogyny at its core. From a UK perspective, but familiar villains to people here such as RooshV get a mention.
http://www.rs21.org.uk/2018/08/07/always-anti-fascist-always-anti-sexist/
Quite apart from issues of decency, ethics, morality, empathy, and all those other things incels don’t understand, the maths doesn’t work. Women are fertile for a tiny window of time each month, so even if the rapist rapes somebody new every day, the odds of hitting that fertile period aren’t that great, and his own window of opportunity for impregnating a victim is going to be pretty short, because nobody’s going to tolerate that going on in their community for long, and he’ll be dead or in jail. Compare that to the much higher impregnation odds of a nice, kind man who sleeps with a woman who loves him every night, and is going to get jumped on when she’s ovulating.
Logical STEM-lords my arse.
“I’m a friend of Dave’s…Sorry, not Dave, I meant, John?… Pete?…That guy over there!”
Waves to confused looking guest
I’m so envious though you have raccoons. That image has really made my day; and we need some nice news every now and then in the current clime. Thanks for sharing that. 🙂
@ Simon
That was a really interesting article; thanks for linking. It’s good I think that people are now acknowledging the connection between the alt-right and ideological misogyny. It’s something I’ve really noticed myself. I raise my blood pressure every day by checking out sites like ROK and Stormer. They’re virtually indistinguishable in tone and content. The manosphere sites are always on about (((them))) and ‘cultural marxism’. The self identified Nazi sites have that ‘Kinder Kuche Kirche’ thing going on. It’s just an overlapping circles Venn diagram.
That’s really got me thinking. People here know I think that I’m not averse to kinetic solutions, and it’s a real bugbear of mine when people suggest women can’t fight; but there’s some interesting implications arise from that paragraph, so cheers for giving me something to ponder.
Even if they weren’t wrong about how evolution works treating it as a guide for how we should behave always struck me as equivalent to thinking that we have a gravitational imperative to stay as low to the ground as possible.
Re: cows and bulls and oxen
The cow is the mummy, the bull is the daddy, and the ox is the uncle.
I think one of the Bensons said that: a tribe of siblings all of whom I believe were gay, childless and contributed quite a lot in a mild way.
Re: the OP – more guys grooming each other to commit atrocities. Is this not just an elaborate way of saying “I hate women, I fantasise about raping them, and I’d like the rest of you to confirm that I’m OK”?
They are not OK and many of them may be dangerous.
@cat
Sounds like feminism fuel 😀 I would also do a “high IQ” dark comedy with British humour, to gather all the different audiences. About a hateful dedicated incel, who tries all his best to rape and commit mass murder, but hilariously fails, due to being an ignorant dimwit, whose “knowledge” of the world and sciences comes from video games, youtube “sceptics”, message boards and incels forums. He considers himself a martial artist and an intellectual, based on spending countless nights on the Internet while living in his mom’s basement. He is surrounded by sincerely well-wishing good people, a lot of them women, who are genuinely trying to help him. Including maybe a girl who misguidedly tries to find a romantic connection with him, but he is either too stupid or bitter to notice it. No lessons will be learned in this film, as the incels in reality seem to be beyond repair. Something similar in style to “Four Lions”.
Fuck these guys and all their abhorrent apologist buddies. May they die unloved and unremembered.
(CW: public harassment, stalking behavior, personal sob story, misandrist ranting)
So last night I went to a cafe with a friend, and this creepy guy took an interest in me. He kept staring at me, so eventually I did my usual thing of meeting his gaze and staring him down with a glower – I have a really good glower, this shit works. Usually men will shake their heads and fuck off after a few seconds of that.
Not this guy. He just kept staring, and started following us around. He followed us outside to the veranda, still staring at me, and sat down behind us with a guy who he clearly didn’t know from Adam.
At this point I got up and made a bit of a show of telling my friend we had to go elsewhere, and clearly being scared and ready to fight or make a scene. We wound up going back inside. Creeper kept staring at me for a while from outside, and eventually fucked off after way too many minutes. Rest of the night was taken up wading through the post-adrenaline crash, and trying to explain the entire thing to my friend, who is somehow not a survivor of male violence and was just kind of oblivious to what was going on. She’s a sweetheart but it was very stressful.
And the guy was HUGE. Humongous. My eye level was about at his shoulders, he looked like he weighed 250 lbs and most of it was muscle.
This is not far from a normal Tuesday for me (being good looking and visibly queer does that), but hit especially hard because he had us both so physically outclassed. There comes a point where you’re just at the mercy of bystanders, and good luck with that. (And then what if a guy helps “rescue” you and decides he deserves some nookie for it, JFC. Relying on men is a fucking minefield.)
Friend told me I should get pepper spray… IDK. I want to learn to hurt men with my hands and feet and whatnot, if I have to. They can’t take those away from me quite so easily.
And I wish I’d gotten a photo of that pigfucker. The only thing I can say definitely is that he looked vaguely like Roosh V, with the muscles and the beard and all. Bastard.
Marshmallow Stacy Maximal @
E.F. Benson wrote amazing ghost stories, as well as social satire; and yes, I’ve heard that pretty much the only straight person in that family was the father, who unfortunately was also the Archbishop of Canterbury and pretty conservative.
I don’t think these are real. Most of these posts read like wind-up artists trying to goad actual incels into inflammatory agreement.
@ Cyborgette;
A fave spoken word poet said “… men are like cigarettes… poisonous, dangerous and stupid.”
Whatever you decide to do, practice it
Practice it until you can defend yourself on instinct. When I was studying martial arts, we hosted a self-defense class, beginning with teaching six techniques, and having the students practice them until they became reflexive.
You know what popped into my mind reading the OP? That part in Sandman with that serial killers convention. Because that was essentially a bunch of the most depraved people humanity could produce getting together to build up justifications for each other. That’s what Morpheus calls them on when he crashes the party:
http://images.sequart.org/images/Corinth_collect.png
I keep this image saved on my computer because it’s really the best summation of any of these loathsome internet subcultures and just the perfect smackdown. Because Morpheus takes away the fantasies and leaves them with the cold reality which leaves them terrified of themselves and each other.
And speaking of terrifying, that one guy with the handle “engineerescortceller”. Not only is this guy an engineer and simultaneously sullying the noble craft, but he’s making clear that he patronizes sex workers and maintains a hateful attitude towards them. I can only hope for the safety of any sex workers in his area.
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/2328-2/Vampiress-7.jpg
“Oh yes? You think I am an it?”
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/2334-2/Vampiress-10.jpg
“Vell, let me act like an it.”
@Eddie
Yeah that quote sounds about right.
I’m taking a self defense class later in August, but worried it won’t be much good – the dojo hosting it part of large chain with some annoyingly macho advertising.
Have also been thinking of taking IMPACT classes, but those are very expensive, queer ones are only in winter, and women only ones are AFAIK not trans inclusive.
urgh, @Cyborgette, that’s horrid. That sounds so stressful. I’m glad it ended without further drama.
Pepper spray. Pepper spray. Force multipliers. Get one’a them keychain ones so you can have an excuse to keep it on you at all times. Learn self-defense, absolutely, but have something to end the violence before it starts. Big dude with the angry glare is probably going to be a better fighter, he lives it. You need something to shut him down and get away.
I’m sure you know best, that’s just my thoughts on it. Alan’s good at this stuff too, good to listen to. Keep safe my duck <3
Oh, and incels can go right to hell.
Hmmm. So, we femoids are “cold-hearted,” “evil,” and “biologically inferior,” yet…good/moral enough to raise their kids, I guess? I don’t see anything in there about suing for custody after the fact. In fact, I don’t see anything about parenting in general. Isn’t it convenient that they only get to do the “fun” stuff (for them, obviously, not the woman being raped) and not think at all about what “passing on genes” and “advancing the species” actually entails? I don’t expect incels to consider the risks pregnancy has for women, but I usually expect them to be selfish enough to consider how it impacts their own lives. I read the passage and thought, “Okay, woman raped and impregnated…now what?” (And yes, that was a horrifying fucking thing to think.)
What baffles me most about incels is how blind they are to their own self-fulfilling prophecy. They hate women because women won’t date them…so they go on message boards and advocate for raping women, terrorizing women, even killing women who displease them. Way to positively represent the gender, dudes. That’ll make women fall over you for sure.
To me, the serial killers in the Sandman story got off too easily.
I would have liked the Spectre to show up and deal with them.