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Incel: “Women should not be allowed out without a man”

Uh oh! This one’s escaping!

By David Futrelle

On Incels.me, a hangout for some of the internet’s most hopeless involuntary celibates, one young fellow has come up with a simple yet ingenious answer to the Woman Question — that question being “why do these women keep having sex with guys other than the angry woman-hating weirdos who populate sites like Incels.me?”

His answer: because they are allowed freedom of movement. His solution?

[Serious] Women should not be allowed out without a man. Thread starterJackAutismo Start dateToday at 12:24 PM JackAutismo JackAutismo Recruit - Today at 12:24 PM#1 Women are dangerous whores who will have sex with Chad unless they are escorted by a man all times. If a roastie goes out unescorted and an ugly Male looks at her, she will accuse him of having raped her. Women are like adult bodied children and should thus not be allowed out without a chaperone to protect men from their degenerate sluttery.

Amazingly, one of the commenters actually has an issue with this plan, wondering if keeping women locked up and/or chaperoned 24 hours a day might actually make it harder for incels to have sex with them. But JackAutismo has an answer all ready, and it sounds a bit like that “enforced monogamy” we’ve been hearing so much about.

JackAutismo Recruit - Today at 1:38 PM#10 Henry de Montherlant said: How are you supposed to end involuntary celibacy by suppressing all celibate female presence in the street ? Low IQ as fuck. Women would be assigned a man to be their husband and would only be allowed to go outside with him- if she went outside alone and got ‘raped’ it would be declared that she was trying to decay society and she would get the death penalty.

Say what you will about the tenets of inceldom; at least it’s an ethos.

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Elizabeth Mancz
Elizabeth Mancz
2 years ago

Yet another man who has never actually talked to a real woman.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
2 years ago

If you want to live in Syria, go live in Syria. Sure, things will change there, eventually; but for a few years at least you’ll have the sweet dystopian nightmare for which you long.

MaliceWUnderland
MaliceWUnderland
2 years ago

Incels are a bunch of bush league wannabes. The Taliban already did this way better.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

What if I just pick a Chad to escort me at all times though?

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Women would be assigned a man to be their husband and would only be allowed to go outside with him- if she went outside alone and got ‘raped’ it would be declared that she trying to decay society and she would get the death penalty.

…I probably really don’t want to know the answer to this, but is this shitstain proposing that his “solution” would fix incel’s woes by assigning them a wife, or by granting them the right to rape unaccompanied women with impunity?

(It’s both, isn’t it.)

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Congratulations, Jack — you just reinvented Saudi Arabia, while tarnishing all genuinely autistic people by association with you at the same time. :/

BS and his four fluffy kitties

Yikes. JackAutismo looks like he’s 12. Turn off the computer and go outside, Jack.

Clever name here
Clever name here
2 years ago

How are these women supposed to get the grocery shopping done, so they can be making sammitches in the kitchen? We all know these incel types aren’t going to stoop to doing that work.

reggie, the neighbour's cat
reggie, the neighbour's cat
2 years ago

So which men are doing the escorting? It can’t be Chads, because apparently us women are already constantly having sex with them as soon as we walk out our front doors. It can’t be incels because, well, it’s in the name and apparently we’re also accusing them of raping us if they look at us, so who is it? It must be men who are in between lookswise (at least that seems to be how JackA****** categorises men) so is there some sort of committee who assign men to their correct grouping? And who is on this committee? So many questions.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
2 years ago
Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 years ago

BS and his four fluffy kitties : 12y old are rarely that hateful. And anyway, turn out most shitheads on the internet aren’t young.

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
2 years ago

@Axecalibur, Middle Name Danger
Excellent photo choice!

TB Tabby
TB Tabby
2 years ago

Why doesn’t anyone ever propose that the men shouldn’t be allowed outside without a handler? The men are the ones doing the raping, so they should be the ones restrained. I propose that men should not be allowed outside without being restrained in strait jackets and masks a la Hannibal Lecter. When seeing a woman inevitably sends them into a sex-crazed fury, they will only be able to struggle and scream for sex as their handlers wheel them come to placate them with porn. You also won’t have to worry about ugly men being accused of rape, because they will also be restrained, making it impossible for them to have raped anyone.

Upset at the prospect of having your freedoms restrained under the guise of keeping the streets safe, Jack? Now you know how the women feel.

TreePerson
TreePerson
2 years ago

@TB Tabby
But but mens are people and feeeeemales are just things!!!1!! /s

But seriously if it does not hurt women they are opposed to it even if it would dramatically improve their lives they would be opposed to it unless it also hurt women,
by this same logic they are for anything that hurts women even if it hurts them as well.

Wetherby
Wetherby
2 years ago

And anyway, turn out most shitheads on the internet aren’t young.

That was one of the more intriguing defences of James Gunn’s “jokes” about raping children – that he was young and foolish and didn’t know any better.

He was already past forty when he posted them.

Similarly, in my day job I had a regular correspondent who was annoying as hell, but I found him strangely endearing because his writing style (all BLOCK CAPS and multiple exclamation marks!!!!!!) strongly suggested that he was only about sixteen or seventeen, which also explained his somewhat emotive and fact-free approach to criticism. I recognised myself at that age, and might well have been like that too if I’d had the opportunity to go online, and so I said to myself “well, at least he’s got the fervour and enthusiasm, so when he finally grows up he might be able to put it to more constructive use.”

Turns out he was in his late thirties.

KG
KG
2 years ago

If you want to live in Syria, go live in Syria. Sure, things will change there, eventually; but for a few years at least you’ll have the sweet dystopian nightmare for which you long. – Iseult the Idle

Actually, Syria is a vile dictatorship, but women are not, and under that dictatorship have not been, confined in the way Jack Arseholo proposes – it’s ruling ideology is Ba’athism, which is explicitly secular and supports women’s social and economic rights to a limited extent. You’re perhaps thinking of Saudi Arabia. If either Daesh, or the rival Islamist rebel groups in Syria backed by Saudi Arabia and in some case the USA had prevailed, Syria would have become much more specifically misogynist, as has happened in Iraq post-Saddam. The only side in the multi-sided Syrian conflict worthy of support is the primarily Kurdish SDF (Syrian Democratic Forces), which has had some American support but is under attack from the Turkish regime, and is likely to be abandoned as soon as that is politically convenient to Trump.

Raggy
Raggy
2 years ago

Incels and Taliban – politics does make strange (away from-) bedfellows

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 years ago

@Wetherby : recently, two people from the french 4chan (jv.com, who have several forum by age, the most infamous one being the 15-25) were judged for harassing a journalist who accurately described that forum as a sewer and a shithole.

To the surprise of some people, one were 25 or so, the other in his thirty. Part of their defence was that they didn’t think it could have real consequences. I guess you may say they still were children in their head, but children actually understand the internet better than that.

Kereea
Kereea
2 years ago

@CleverNameHere ironically, this one of the things the Handmaid’s Tale kinda deals with. Wives have pretty much nothing to do because Handmaids are the ones who run the errands (in pairs, so they don’t get up to anything) and Marthas do all the housework. Which means if there’s no child in the house, there’s no reason for Wives to really exist and they go really stir crazy.

Incels want to put women into these totally artificial restrictions that could never work and even though they imagine that was what things were like in the past, never would have worked then either. You want a woman to “handle the house”? Congrats, you have to make sure she has enough autonomy to accomplish that.

For example, while my granddad handled the money, grandma was the one who did almost all the purchasing so they had a specific place she’d drop receipts/checkbacks in so he could add that to the spending log. That way they had the kind of spending record he needed for budgeting while she could do the chores her way. Collaboration: it makes good relationships.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Yeah, the whole white guy-extended adolescence thing is way past its sell-by date. White men in their thirties get endlessly excused for bad behavior because “he’s a good boy” and didn’t know any better (39 year old Donald Trump Jr. ) or was just having a bout of youthful high spirits, the little scamp (32yo Ryan Lochte, Brock Turner). Meanwhile underage black children get murdered and tried as adults all the time, and women are expected to be responsible for men’s behavior.

If whiny white dudes are going to keep pulling out the “just a kid” card every time there’s trouble afoot, then let’s take them up on it. I propose that incels should not be allowed on the internet after 9pm, and they must be accompanied by a chaperone. Before their posts are allowed through, they must get reviewed and approved by an employer, a teacher, or an adult guardian. Finally, they must spend one month acting out their proposals for restructuring society, but role-playing as a woman, and report back on their conclusions. (This step can be skipped if they build one skyscraper all by themselves, John Galt style, before posting. That includes mining and smelting all the materials by hand, and designing and building all the cranes and construction equipment.)

All the talk of milking machines and chaperones would end real fast.

anon
anon
2 years ago

Nice Lebowski reference 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

That was one of the more intriguing defences of James Gunn’s “jokes” about raping children – that he was young and foolish and didn’t know any better.

He was already past forty when he posted them.

I remember someone made that excuse for Trump’s “grab her by the pussy tape.” The tape is not that old. He was what, in his sixties? Apparently a grandfather who runs his own very large corporation is still not a full adult responsible for his own behavior if he’s a rich white man.

To expand on Buttercup’s point. The privileged group is always too young to face consequences even for the worst behavior, the person in the group the privileged group is hurting is never too young to have any mistake or perceived flaw excused. Trayvon Martin was an actual kid but deserved to be murdered because George Zimmerman thought he looked like a thug, fourteen year old girls deserve to be raped by adult men because they looked older or flirted. Toddlers from Central America have to see immigration judges by themselves because they’re totally capable of defending themselves in court. Or they have to be put in jail because they might be in MS-13. Yet the same people who are for treating refugee children this way believe that their own children will be traumatized for life if they see a same sex couple holding hands.

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
2 years ago

You know, I almost said Saudi Arabia, but since women are allowed to drive there now, I switched it at the last minute.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
2 years ago

As long as whiny white men are making social policy, I don’t look for any of this to change much….

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

I think this incel should watch what he wishes for because this is the first step down the slippery slope that results in the creation of eunuchs.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I don’t think Saudi Arabia or any other time or place with a highly religious patriarchal society would please them either. The manosphere wants all the privileges of those cultures, but none of the responsibilities. They want women subjugated but they do not want to financially provide. What they want is impossible. A woman with no wants or needs or opinions who will pop up out kids that require no time or money to raise. Even the manosphere fantasy of human women being replaced by sexbots and artificial wombs won’t do it because the sexbots would require maintenance and the artificial womb children won’t raise themselves.

No wonder they’re so angry.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
2 years ago

This reminds me of something I saw about FLDS – that’s the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. Remember their leader, Warren Jeffs?

I watched an interview of a woman who had been brought up, and married, in that cult. She had the requisite 10 kids or so. She described how the church’s edicts got stricter and stricter, until it came to pass that women and their children weren’t permitted to leave their houses.

As you’d expect, it was very difficult for women to keep their children content and well-behaved while they were cooped up indoors all the time.

Long story short: She and her husband finally left the cult.

Another, unrelated anectode: In the early 1960s, the University of Connecticut had a curfew for the coeds living on campus (archaic term, I know) but not for the young men.* I think they locked up the wrong sex, TBH☺

*According to a friend of mine whose parents attended UConn.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ dormousing it

a curfew for the coeds

Probably everyone here is familiar with Golda Meir’s response when something similar was proposed in Israel.
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Otrame
Otrame
2 years ago

@Kereea

The lives Wives in HT were based on the lives of very wealthy and aristocratic women of the Victorian era.

Their husband managed the lands they owned or the business they owned, could meet with a wide bunch of friends, and while not exactly socially acceptable, there was limited social pushback for hanging out with men of almost any social class, as long as they were reasonably discreet about it. They were allowed mistresses under the same conditions and could have boyfriends at the extra cost of a bit more discretion. They could have hobbies. In fact the basic work of science that we all stand on today was done by those rich Victorian men who were free to let their creativity and intelligence run free. Science was a hobby in those days.

Thier wives had literally nothing it was socially acceptable to do. They were allowed to visit friends during certain limited times of day, but the higher the status, the fewer peers they had, and thus the fewer friends they were allowed to have. They “managed” the household, but in reality they had butlers who were in charge of that. They might be allowed to play the piano, as long as their husband approved and they kept away from the more “passionate” music. They were allowed to “dabble” in painting, but their works were never shown to anyone but their friends and was never taken seriously by anyone.

Oh, a few managed to break out of that prison and managed to DO things, but those were the extraordinary women, and they were very much looked down on. The ordinary women sat in their comfortable, well-appointed houses and went batshit. The was pretty much the only thing they were allowed to do.

ellesar
ellesar
2 years ago

I am pretty sure that all this has been covered by A Handmaid’s Tale’. Two things that have ruined it a bit for me are the incredibly violent scenes that are almost salacious at times, and the incels apparently wanting that society for real.

I went on that Autismo boys profile and his most recent contribution on reddit is a discussion about the blackpill. Apparently that is when you want to kill everyone?! Isn’t there a clue here about why you are ‘incel’? If women are so ‘degenerate’ (their favourite polite word) and moronic HOW ON EARTH do we have the ability to discern between men who do not hate everyone and those who do?!

I am getting tired of their bizarre fantasy world because they are so repetitive – it just isn’t funny anymore.

(A)utonomous Escapist
(A)utonomous Escapist
2 years ago

@Iseult the Idle: I’m getting a slightly unpleasant anti-arab vibe from the way you write it, I hope it’s me seeing spooks, but there’s a degree of generalization and othering in your phrasing.

And removing anyones agency, yikes OP, get off the dystopian nightmare-train, you’re deading for rock bottom!

16 Cats and Counting
16 Cats and Counting
2 years ago

Wow! One of my real hot buttons has always been any suggestion that women should be restricted in anyway just because they are – heaven for fend – female!

I remember talking to a women who attended the super religious Pepperdine University in LA in the 1960’s. She explained that women students, but not men, had curfew. If a female student left campus, even in the middle of the day, she had to sign out, listing where she was going and when she expected to return.

When I asked why she explained that the school needed to know where the women were in case there was a family emergency!! I asked why it wasn’t equally important to know where the men were. Does being male mean u never have a family emergency? Naturally she could only hem and haw and change the subject fast! The schools apparently had all sorts of bullshit “reasoning” why women students needed to conform to these asinine restrictions.

Actually, there are plenty of web sites that detail how universities treated female students like children until the 1970’s. I remember the Univ. of Arizona used to require female students under 25 (25!) to get their parents’ permission if they wanted to live off campus. I’d have hated to give up college but I just couldn’t have survived in that god-awful atmosphere.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

More from that same discussion at incels.me:

Foids should be on a leash.

With a muzzle to ensure the bitch doesn’t bark at you.

Incels, you can’t even bring yourselves to call women, women.

Yet these are the individuals who enrage you by not consenting to have sex with you.

Why would you want to have sex — an extremely intimate activity — with individuals of such low morals and IQ?

Illogic, thy name is Incel.

MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
2 years ago

OT: Dad is visiting me and as I write this, he is listening to a podcast by Scott Adams. Dad is not a stupid person. He likes to flatter himself by thinking that he, unlike most people, is not bound by politically-correct dogma and is only interested in following the truth wherever it may lead him. (In other words, he subscribes to neoconservativism point for point). I just never thought this would lead him to listen to an idiot like Scott Adams.

This is very frustrating. Please pray for me, Mammotheers, or think good thoughts at me if you don’t like the idea of praying. Thank you in advance.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@Otrame: Sounds very much like Rose and her mother in Titanic, with Rose being one who broke out.

@Buttercup: I’d like to apologize for some things I said after the Ford election debacle. I was in a low, low place that night but shouldn’t have been quite as bitter about it…

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@MrsObedMarsh

Sending you calming thoughts. Blue skies, fluffy clouds, serene music floating out from someone’s open window.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Just when I thought 2018 couldn’t get anymore 2018, we have a white supremacist who likes bigfoot erotica running for office

https://twitter.com/LeslieCockburn/status/1023701334434959362

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Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
2 years ago

Surplus, brilliantly stated! What these freaks propose sounds like a warped take on extreme Sharia law. And the idiot proposing it needs another nym. He insults people with disabilities.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@WWTH
I’m sure we both agree the Nazi part is the disgusting part of that.

https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/1023791948589555712?s=19

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

True, and I just liked that tweet a few moments ago. It’s just, if I traveled back 5 years in time and told 2013 me that a bigfoot fetishizing Nazi was running for office, and that was probably going to only last in the news cycle for a day or so because 2018 was just that bizarre, I’d figure that 2018 me was kidding around. I do sometimes have a weird sense of humor.

By the way, Bigfoot Settlers Claim My Butthole is the best out of those titles.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

OT: Anyone need a good laugh? Read the replies to this tweet.

https://twitter.com/TGC/status/1023192600776515584?s=19

Mikey
Mikey
2 years ago

Is ISIS.me taken?

Marshmallow Stacy Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacy Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

I lived in the United Arab Emirates twice: 2000 – 2003 and 2007 – 2010. Especially the first time round, that was standard for Emirati women, even though they’ve never had the ban on driving that Saudi has.

I remember going to an amusement park with a couple of friends, sisters in their 20s who were working and studying. We were “escorted” by their 12-year-old brother.

I remember when a new degree course in Education was supposed to have a component abroad, having meetings with the families where 14 year old boys stood up to say it was “not suitable” for their sisters to go abroad without a male guardian.

Of course, if any one woman’s “guardian” had come on the trip, none of the other women would have been allowed to go, because it would have meant “putting themselves under the protection” of a man not in their incest group, and that would be assumed to mean having sex with him. (Teachers didn’t count, for some reason, as they were not Emirati).

In the end, just one woman went on the foreign trip, with two teachers from the college. And it was fine.

And next year, everyone wanted their daughter or sister to go.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

And more on bigfoot:

https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/1023773568021098496

please understand thinking bigfoot is handsome is NORMAL but being a devil is not. this is slippery slope please judge based on character not on hardness around bigfoot WE ALL GET HARD AROUND BIGFOOT

Chuck Tingle is just too good for this world.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

Okay, a few things about the OP I find hilarious.

1. The need to label the topic [Serious] as the quasi-ironic language these chodes use doesn’t leave room for somebody actually coming clean with what they think and believe.

2. They’re so insecure that they think any woman they have a relationship with will just leave them for a more attractive man at the drop of a hat.

3. They’re working in other anti-feminist talking points into their worldview, like the worst tinker-toys ever. The whole “women will just scream rape at a leer” is one of the things they tell each other to discredit sexual assault allegations. Now they’re incorporating it into their bizarre incel nonsense.

4. Standard double-bind double-standard against women. They can’t express themselves sexually without angering these guys, and they can’t be too prudish because then they’re denying incels “teh sex”, meanwhile it’s totally fine for men to be “pick-up artists.”

5. Ironically, a Christian fundamentalist actually made a movie where a guy made a promise never to be alone with a woman who wasn’t his wife because he was afraid of reverting to his younger slutty [read: amateur “Girls Gone Wild” date-rapey porno-making] ways.

Here’s a review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgDLGWyOTQk

It manages to be both hilariously inept and infuriating all at the same time. Kind of a remarkable feat for this Rik Schwarzwelder guy’s first full-length film.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Katamount:

Ironically, a Christian fundamentalist actually made a movie where a guy made a promise never to be alone with a woman who wasn’t his wife because he was afraid of reverting to his younger slutty [read: amateur “Girls Gone Wild” date-rapey porno-making] ways.

So, a documentary about Mike Pence?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

@Surplus – Thank you, that means a lot to me 🙂 I know you had good reason to be so angry and despairing that night. 40% of the population are apparently fine with the idea of harming and killing the other 40%, so long as they get to feel superior for thirty seconds. It makes you feel like you’re constantly screaming into the void. Hard to turn that off sometimes, even when you’re among friends.

Anyway, I’m genuinely rooting for you to find peace and happiness, and I hope that you’ll be able to keep following your path despite all the obstacles.

@Katamount

The need to label the topic [Serious]

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(Yes, this meme is old as the hills, but I never get tired of this cat)

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
2 years ago

That meat and bread bathroom sign thing reminds me of that embarrasing “Sausage Party” movie. :/

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
2 years ago

I do not like the way “christians” fetishise women and call it the Jezabel spirit or some such nonsense which assumes all women are femme fatales using some kind of witchcraft to lead men into sin. Therefore, when a man does something despicable, he us absolved from blame and the blame falls squarely on his victim, as if he couldn’t help himself. The natural conclusion to this is banning men from having any contact with women (except the ones they own, namely wives) whatsoever.
I learned this the hard way. My cousin was my best friend growing up, but my family got deeply involved with the Open Brethren, a branch of the Plymouth Brethren, but somehow the more liberal ones. They were fine about my cousin visiting me until my father died, then as there was no chaperone, he was forbidden from visiting me or my mother (his auntie) as we were deemed to be single women who would lead him into sexual sin.
We haven’t spoken for 20 years. He lives with a man now, ironically, he married a woman but it didn’t work out as he was gay.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

@Moggie

I like to imagine that the protagonist is Mike Pence 20 years ago. Only the movie ends with the woman realizing what a creepy weirdo he is and bolting.

And did I hear that Bigfoot erotica is getting its time in the sun?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geek

(This is where I’d post the Cinema Snob review of this “film,” but it’s not available after his move from Blip.TV. I hope this is remedied at some point in the future because Snob’s review is hysterical. It literally ends with a fistfight between the hippies and Bigfoot, Bigfoot runs off and one of the hippies says “One day I’m gonna get that filthy animal….” and they just leave. The End!)

It is a proud, if less-than-noble tradition… apparently.