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MGTOWs dream of raping, beating sexbots that say no

Be careful what you wish for, fellas: Evan Rachel Woods in Westworld

By David Futrelle 

There’s a scene in the sci-fi drama Humans in which an angry sexbot hits her breaking point. Disgusted by the demands of a john who wants her to act the part of a scared little girl, she strangles him to death and marches towards the door of the robot brothel.

When the madam — a human — tries to stop her at knifepoint, the now-ex-sexbot grabs the knife from her, pushes her up against the wall, and tells her that “everything your men do to us they want to do to you.”

I was reminded of that chilling line today while reading through posts on MGTOW.com. Some of the regulars, you see, were discussing a recent tabloid article about a sexbot that’s programmed to sometimes say no when she’s “not in the mood.” While several of the commenters balked at the notion — one declaring that there would be “none of those ’empowered’ sex dolls” for him — others were, well, intrigued.

“If my sex doll says no, nobody going to hear it,” someone called uchibenkei noted ominously. “No witnesses.”

“Maybe it would be a turn-on for the sexbot to say no,” added someone called bstoff.

We shall call her the “bitch” and she comes equipped with her very own pink ball-gag and a big jar of Vasaline……

Oh and you can color her hair and put tats and piercings on her face so she looks like a SJW

If you ever wonder what these guys are thinking about when they argue with feminists online, well, this seems like a pretty big hint.

A commenter called MG-ɹǝʍo┴ was less interested in sex than violence.

I never hit a woman, but I kinda like the idea of beating the f~~~ out of a sex doll! The kind of beating no human walks away from!

F~~~ YEA!

Men Going Their Own Way should probably be called Men Who Should Never Be Allowed Anywhere Near Women.

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Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

BTW @Bakunin and various, thank you so much for explaining the Silence of the Lambs gatekeeping thing. Because I was way, way too tired to do that.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ flexitarian haruspex, Scildfreja Unnyðnes:

I’ve started seeing people suggest recently that “robot uprising” stories are often veiled ways of exploring our fears that the human social classes beneath will finally decide they’ve had enough and fight back.

Outside of mainstream SF, it occurs to me that were machines to achieve consciousness, there’s no reason to suppose their consciousness would be all that much like ours. They might be less likely to view humans as their oppressive masters and more likely to think of us as something like the weather or the landscape of their existence: rain might influence your decision-making, but few people get angry at the rain for directing their actions (except a former co-worker of mine but she was perpetually angry at everything and everybody). Of course, they might still attempt to construct the equivalent of an umbrella in order to give themselves a wider range of options.

Bakunin
Bakunin
2 years ago

@Cyborgette
No problem. Never thought I’d argue that point here though.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

OT: Sharing some good news that cheered me up this Monday.

So, I’m assuming y’all have heard about that dreadful op-ed in Forbes where a doofushead asserted that we should let public libraries go in favor of Amazon. Librarians and library patrons everywhere erupted in defense of libraries. This morning I tweeted fondly about a particular public library I’d visited often as a child, and I tagged the library (because of course they have a Twitter handled now).

Their Twitter manager thanked me for sharing my memories and confirmed that they still had an awesome children’s section. I’ve been grinning all day.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
2 years ago

Ugh.

Ugh ugh.

I’ve deleted my Twitter account months ago but just seen this thread elsewhere… it looks like the alt-right are targeting TERFs for recruitment: https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmp42/status/1019258534050091010

“Potential red pills” Sweet Cthulhu 🙁

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Cat Mara

I wanna say that’s probably psy ops, but recruitment makes a lot of sense psychologically IMO. TERFs see womanhood as a purity thing… And so do white supremacists, though only for white women. The far right can play trans women as infiltrators who want to destroy white cis female purity, after the fashion of “evil Black men want to rape our pure white women”.

Gods, wouldn’t that be a marriage made in hell.

Sheila Crosby
2 years ago

Oh my goodness, what I missed.

I get the impression that many TERFs are scared of men, and I suspect with good reason. I get that bit. But transwomen aren’t men, and they aren’t dangerous. That bit makes no sense at all. I have seen the argument that being a victim of male violence is what makes you female (I don’t remember where). In that case, transwomen of colour must be the most female of all, because they’re treated the worst.

I’ll stick with intersectional feminism, myself.

Hugs and sand cats to anyone who needs them.

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Tovius
Tovius
2 years ago

@Sheila Crosby
Those sand cats are adorable!

Kate
Kate
2 years ago

@Ya’ll who replied to my personal objection to being called “queer”

Thank you for understanding. I was hesitant to say anything because I’ve had people get super-defensive with me (even after saying I was fine with them using the label for themselves) and have even had someone straight-up tell me that I’m “letting the cishets win” by not reclaiming it. Sorry for derailing!

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Kate
That’s awful. It’s not up to anyone what you should feel comfortable calling yourself.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@flexitarian haruspex

Cyberpunk and corporate dystopias really appealed to me a few years ago, but then as drone warfare, social media-fueled political corruption, cybercrime, and more recently the death of net neutrality kind of took the escaspist allegory out of the the genre for me. If I want to know what that kind of thing looks like, I watch the news. :/ I mean, when I’m reading fiction I’m doing it for funsies (and I have depression/anxiety/SAD – lately it’s hard for me to lighten up in general) so I go for lighter fare – cyberpunk as a general rule is pretty heavy stuff.

I look back with nostalgia on the cyperpunk dystopias I read in the 80s and 90s; they’re rather nicer than the future we actually got.

@Moon_custafer

I’ve started seeing people suggest recently that “robot uprising” stories are often veiled ways of exploring our fears that the human social classes beneath will finally decide they’ve had enough and fight back.

…there are people who think that’s not the case? Are these the same people who think that Star Trek is/was once right-wing? Hell, the word ‘robot’ is from a Czech word meaning ‘forced labour/serfdom’, and entered English via a play about a rebellion of artificial slaves.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen:

Hate to break it to you, but carbon atoms aren’t magical either. 🙂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ surplus

carbon atoms aren’t magical either

Hey, they can be coal or they can be diamonds. If that ain’t alchemy I don’t know what is.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

A bit late, I don’t check this much on weekends…

@Scildfreja:
I’m glad you brought up the fact that actually robots tend to be a lot more fragile than people if built to the same specs, as otherwise I would have. On top of what you said, biological organisms just completely blow away anything we could build in terms of graceful degradation. Otherwise known as the ‘how much do we have to break before things stop actually working’ problem.

This is what happens when you have muscles that are essentially parallel operations on a cellular level.

Also, with respect to cyberpunk: I was just thinking today that when you get right down to it, some of the most truly cyberpunk TV ever created was the Max Headroom TV series in 1987-1988. Media corporations own the world, credit fraud is worse than murder, and ‘Blanks’ (people without documentation) can basically be charged with crimes just based on a psychological analysis on whether it seems like they would do that.

(I actually wrote a story which involved AI. No taking over the world, and part of the background was that nobody had figured out how to actually create an AI, so they were ‘growing’ them by creating infant AIs and running them in a virtual world, raising them as children, inviting kindergarten classes to come and play at the big video wall along with the AI characters, and so on. The main character is basically the lone success of the original project, who is now rather bored because most of the company workers are more interested in what’s going on with the second generation.

One of the minor characters would have been right at home with the sort of folks discussed here. As one of the main characters said, “I’d congratulate him on being the first person in history to skeeve out an AI if I didn’t think he’d consider that a personal achievement.”)

In general, with regards to TERFs…

I’ve commented before that some people just really seem to have problems when they can’t create nice neat boxes to put people in, and you get several forms of ‘essentialism’ which really all boil down to the same annoyance with reality being too messy for categories. Trans-exclusion, Bi-erasure… all the more annoying because of all the people who are quite willing to admit that one set of categories is obviously wrong (of course men can like men and women can like women!) but they will dig in their heels when confronted with people breaking the categories in different ways (but that doesn’t mean that the same person can be both!).

It’s like, you’re halfway there, why can’t you see that the next step is going in the same direction as you’ve been fighting for the last several years? Why are so many people so willing to fight for their rights and then try and slam the gate shut immediately afterwards, even though breaking the momentum obviously allows things to slide back?

Gah. I mean, I’m as privileged as all get out, but I listen to people, and I have friends all over the place. It’s frustrating to see the same basic issues play out in slightly different ways over multiple generations and multiple waves. And I’m know it’s far more frustrating for those folks who are being left high and dry from the last wave that figured they got their wins and they’re going to kick back and relax now.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

I think you’ll find that disproportionately many of the “OK, now I’ve got rights, that’s enough progress” sorts are middle class and above. They fear, deep down, that if the process keeps going sooner or later it will set its sights on their class privilege.

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
2 years ago

Thank you @Sheila Crosby for the sand cats and kittens. I love Sand Cats.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

@Surplus: …. no? But I don’t get why you’re throwing the word “magic” around, as if doing so in itself constitutes an argument? We still don’t know much about consciousness, so it seems extremely confident to claim that it’s definitely something that can be created with silicon just as well as carbon. Different substances can have importantly different properties even if none of them is magical.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Basically, all I’m saying is that considering how little we know about consciousness we should be pretty agnostic re the possibility of us creating consciousness by making more and more advanced AI:s.

Robert
Robert
2 years ago

I’ve been reading an unfair amount of Gender Critical feminist blather on Medium lately – mostly from the UK.

What has occurred to me is that many of them have a very clearly defined meaning for ‘woman’ in their heads. It doesn’t include trans women*. Thus, they are willing to extend certain concessions and accommodations to trans women, on the condition that trans women acknowledge that they aren’t *really* women. Since trans women are not willing to acknowledge any such thing, GC feminists perceive trans women as an implacable enemy. Everything else is window dressing and filigree.

The real point of contention is that trans women have a definition of “woman” that the TERFs cannot accept, but since the TERFs believe that the customs of their tribe are the laws of nature** they refuse to compromise.

*Oddly, they seem to accept trans men as being authentically women. Go figure.

**From “Caesar and Cleopatra” by GB Shaw.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

@Robert:

They should ask themselves how they would treat a group of men claiming to be “feminist allies” who had a very clearly defined meaning for “person” in their heads, which didn’t include women, but who were willing to extend certain concessions and accomodations to women, on the condition that women acknowledge that they aren’t really people. I’m guessing they would be unwilling to acknowledge any such thing. Then point out the parallels to transwomen vs. them.

@Dvärghundspossen:

Consciousness has access to the informational content of the brain (what comes in through the eyes, for starters). On that basis I think it’s fairly clear that it arises from some sort of information processing. Presumably, information processing that has some specific pattern to it. It might or might not require that there be some quantum information processing — even that much is not known with certainty, though there’s no end of speculation. What seems doubtful is that it could be intrinsically a “low level” thing, like specific chemistry properties, while having access to “high level” abstractions like our thoughts. It’s almost certainly a form of computation, meeting certain specific (and not yet elucidated) constraints, and computation inherently is something that can be ported from substrate to substrate (including quantum computation, given a substrate that supports it by having entangled qubits in it and avoiding too much noise/decoherence messing these up).

My opinion, therefore, is that consciousness is not tied to any specific chemistry (or even our parochial laws of physics) and can exist in other media and environments, possibly including some that we would find to be very alien. I can’t really claim to have proved this, but I would be extremely shocked if it turned out to be intrinsically tied to carbon chemistry, or to any similar thing.

And even then, the little bit that absolutely required carbon chemistry could probably be put in nano-petri-dishes inside an otherwise inorganic artificial brain …

Alexis Filth
Alexis Filth
2 years ago

@tree_person yeah, primal, Dom, Daddy. Then there’s the whole Gorian thing which is straight up nightmare fuel.
I’m completely dominant myself, but part of that is always making sure to have a proper communication before anything goes down about limits, consent, etc.
I still have those conversations and have been with the same person for 17 years. Like, some nights ny husband might not be up for a thing he normally wants and I’m gonna always make sure to check and see what he is down to do.
It’s an enraging thing seeing these scummy dudes creeping through the community looking for vulnerable/ inexperienced folks to gaslight & abuse.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Thanks for the elaboration, Surplus. 🙂

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

@Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation

They should ask themselves how they would treat a group of men claiming to be “feminist allies” who had a very clearly defined meaning for “person” in their heads, which didn’t include women, but who were willing to extend certain concessions and accomodations to women, on the condition that women acknowledge that they aren’t really people. I’m guessing they would be unwilling to acknowledge any such thing. Then point out the parallels to transwomen vs. them.

Wouldn’t they refuse to have anything to do with men trying to insinuate themselves into a female space in the first place?

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ Jenora Feuer:

Otherwise known as the ‘how much do we have to break before things stop actually working’ problem.

Occasionally someone reruns that “Astar the Robot” PSA warning kids to play safe because human arms aren’t reattachable. Recently I’ve begun thinking that if sentient robots existed they might make a safety PSA in which a human states “my tissues can heal, yours can’t, so be careful not to scratch or cut yourselves.”

Chris O
Chris O
2 years ago

If I was Reddit’s CEO, every incel forum on the site would have been taken down by now and their users banned from Reddit for life.

Chris O
Chris O
2 years ago

Oops, I think I posted that last comment on the wrong story.

Cindy
Cindy
2 years ago

@Ariblester

I hope you’re not implying what it looks like you are.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

@ cindy:

I think by “men,” Ariblester meant the “men claiming to be “feminist allies” who had a very clearly defined meaning for “person” in their heads, which didn’t include women” in the theoretical example.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Moon_custafer:
I remember that PSA, yes.

I’ve long maintained that a lot of biology is akin to the old joke about the Russian dancing bear. “All applaud the great bear that dances at the circus. They do not applaud because it dances very well; they applaud because it is amazing it manages to dance at all.” Huge stretches of biochemistry are this incredibly complex semi-random collection of pick-up sticks where hundreds and thousands of things lean on each other for support. Sure, sometimes removing one could still cause the entire structure to collapse, but it’s usually going to take a long time collapsing because of all the partial fallbacks along the way.

Not to mention the constant back-and-forth wars of toxins and immunities. People forget that things like nicotine and caffeine exist at least in part because those compounds are often lethal to insects or animals that would otherwise eat the plant. Now we cultivate plants specifically for those ‘toxic’ compounds.

@Alexis Filth:
I think being a good dom requires a high level of empathy and understanding, because you have to be able to feel where the limits are even if the limits change during the session due to other events. There’s a lot of trust involved, and you have to make sure to keep that.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Bakunin

I’ve already had to do so once already though 🙁 The people in question came around but yeah, it’s exhausting.

I still think Shylock or Svengali analogies are appropriate TBH. Not least because (from my own experience) the tone and methods of transmisogyny are very similar to anti-Semitism – stirring up public anger by framing the targets as predators. The things people say about trans women now, they still sometimes say about Jews too.

@various re the BDSM scene

Yeah, I’ve gotten to be extremely wary of people who ID as doms or tops, even as someone who is not involved in BDSM myself. Most I’ve met have been emotionally abusive, and allowed their controlling tendencies to take hold outside the bedroom and even outside relationships. And that’s just people who were openly queer.

I’ve seen the end state in long term emotional abuse, and I’ve come close to living it. When I see even traces of that dynamic, I go on high alert.

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

@Cindy

I hope you’re not implying what it looks like you are.

Absolutely not.

I am emphatically not espousing even the slightest bit of support for TERFs, and I apologize that my statement could be interpreted as such.

(Thanks to @Moon_custafer for identifying the ambiguity in my statement.)

I only mean to note that the hypothetical that Surplus proposed, intended to get TERFs to rethink their dogmatism, would probably be summarily rejected by them without much consideration, since the arguments that TERFs use to delegitimize transwomen (i.e. “it is men intruding into women’s spaces”) would also apply to the hypothetical “male ‘feminist allies’” in Surplus’ proposal.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

On the topic of modeling human brains, scientists have mapped the brain of a fruit fly. Not modeled, just mapped. It takes up 12 terabytes.

Zemyla
Zemyla
2 years ago

Honestly, I want full, sapient AI to exist for three reasons.

1) Each new way of thinking is a new lens to look at the world. We’ve eliminated, one way or the other, all the non-Homo sapiens sapiens intelligences on this planet, and this means we have vastly reduced our potential perspective.

2) The universe is a vast, cold, and lonely place, one that humans may not survive; I’m hoping AI can live on past our fleshy bodies.

3) The most selfish one: I kind of want to help raise someone to maturity, but I know my genes are utter bullshit that shouldn’t be passed on, and normal reproduction isn’t an option for my partners and me, and I can barely remember to take care of my own fucking body, much less that of a helpless child; but I am pretty good at socializing over a computer screen, so raising someone who exists on a computer would be the ideal option for us.

Alexis Filth
Alexis Filth
2 years ago

@Jenora
Yep, it’s important to know what your sub is feeling and to be able to read cues.
I use the “stoplight” system of safewords, & while I won’t beat myself up over a yellow getting tossed out, if a Red gets called that would mean I didn’t “read the room” right.
I have the advantage of being in a long term healthy marriage that the BDSM stuff kind of evolved in, rather than having a relationship that started that way or a short term thing, so I generally know what he likes & wants just as well as he does.

@Cyborgette agreed. There’s ahuge contingent of people who have never learned what they’re doing and aren’t interested in being “good Doms” so much as just being able to do as they please.

Sometimes our D/s stuff gets a little playful carry over into regular life (in a flirty, teasing way) but far too many people who claim that life just want to be controlling garbage humans.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
2 years ago

Last night I found a film on Youtube of El Fantástico Mundo Del Doctor Coppelius (1966), a version of the ballet Coppelia. It’s even weirder to watch after all this talk about sexbots.

Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky
2 years ago

@Alexis Filth @Cyborgette

I have an inclination towards BDSM which I have not explored because of this.

I did join Fetlife, but found it terrifying – I wanted to meet a friend to explore my submissive side with, but a lot of the Doms I saw were people who seemed to want someone to straight-up abuse. I was only interested in physical kink (restraint, rope play, and pain), but even though I explicitly stated that in my profile, I still got a lot of emails from guys who wanted to humiliate me or were into rape fantasies. I am a child sex abuse survivor and I am absolutely not into rape play. And I said that (I’m not daft enough to say I’m a survivor on my profile, but I mentioned I was not interested in even a pretence at non-consent)

But the requests kept coming.

I was also sincerely disturbed by some of the daddy/little posts I saw (I am absolutely not criticising anyone’s fetish here, people should have the right to do what they like consensually. I’m talking about posts which were basically thinly disguised apologias/appeals for paedophilia).

So anyway. My personal kinks remain unexplored haha

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Violet

Ugh yeah. I especially hate this because kinks are, like, often one of the ways abuse survivors do psychological damage control and healing. Taking advantage of that to abuse them further is incredibly fucked up – and now I think of it, I wonder if the guys just don’t care, or if the idea of that betrayal actually gives them a thrill.

Also,

(CW: child sexual abuse)

I’m not at all surprised about some of them being pedos. Patriarchy quietly normalizes the shit of of child sexual abuse. I’ve seen men talk about checking out their nieces and daughters like it was nothing, and over the years I’ve gotten more and more convinced that a lot of male protectionism is about sexual jealousy.

I’m not gonna say all men are trash, but men as a general demographic? Are fucking trash.

Robert
Robert
2 years ago

Back in my single days (early ’90s) I was quite sexually adventuresome. I met and hit it off with several men who practiced D/s, and I found that I had a facility for domming. It has occurred to me in the years since that being a good dom is like being a good Dungeon Master in D&D – you have to be prepared to put a lot of work into someone else having a good time, and much of your own enjoyment is derived from knowing that the sub is thoroughly enjoying the situation. In both cases, playing the role solely for your own gratification is a jerk move and should rightly result in you not having anyone to play with.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Robert:
I hadn’t thought about it that way, but yes, that sounds like a good way of describing it.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

Having done both, it very much is.

Fluffy Spider Returns
Fluffy Spider Returns
2 years ago

@Alexis Filth
I also notice a troubling one is breeders from my own personal experiences they tend to be the most violent(own experiences)
I am an off and on fetlife user(no more info then that) and yes a lot of the users are ..creepy and that is not just regulated to men (personal experience)

As for primals I know one who calls himself that but he’s super laid back (we’re friends So it could be friend bias)

calmdown
calmdown
2 years ago

@Violet the Vile, Moonbat Screech Junky

I have an inclination towards BDSM which I have not explored because of this.

Same. All I explored was online and there I found nothing but creeps. Although to be honest looking for a non-kink partner was equally creep-filled. Even though I eventually met someone there, most of my online dating experiences were very negative, and I think I got off easy.

booburry
booburry
2 years ago

Pz Myers has written quite a few times about the concept of uploading conciousness and some of the zealots that adhere to the idea like a religion of sorts

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/08/06/reconstructing-a-brain/

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/14/and-everyone-gets-a-robot-pony/