By David Futrelle
So the guys who get mad about imaginary tiddies are mad about imaginary tiddies again — or, rather, the lack of them. This time they’re mad about the lack of huge gazongas in Netflix’s reboot of She Ra, the 1980’s He-Man spinoff that none of these dudes ever watched in the first place either because they weren’t born yet or because it was a show for, ick, girls.
But now that the reboot’s showrunner, Noelle Stevenson, has posted art of the new (less busty) She-Ra and her (less busty) Princesses of Power, the He-Babies have suddenly decided that Western Civilization is at stake — and that the original She-Ra’s ample cleavage must be defended at all costs.
Here are the new character designs that have caused all the commotion:
https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing/status/1018926076389556224
(You can see comparisons of the old and new characters here.)
Some critics of the He-Baby movement have suggested that these guys are angry because they won’t be able to fap to a kids’ cartoon any more. But I don’t think that’s it, at least not for most of these guys. (I imagine that most dudes with an 80’s-cartoon-lady fetish would do much better, fap-wise, with Jessica Rabbit or that one gal in the Heavy Metal movie.)
But it’s also not about the art. She-Ra, like He-Man, was pretty shitty, art-wise, with crudely drawn characters and laughably minimal animation; whatever you think of the character design, the art for the new show is a lot more sophisticated.
So what are these dudes mad about? Having read through several hundred comments on the “controversy” posted on Reddit’s KotakuInAction subreddt, it’s pretty clear that for some of them, it really is about the tiddies: the female characters in the reboot, in addition to looking a lot younger than the originals, are also notably less busty.
Some of the complainers were pretty upfront about their boob fetishes. (Click on screenshots to see the comments in context on Reddit.)
Others were slightly less direct, complaining that the female characters in the reboot all “look like men” — with some complainers throwing some open transphobia into the mix.
And there’s the rub. The He-Babies see the smaller breasts less as a problem in themselves — there are plenty of other busty female superheroes to fetishize — than as a symbol of the new showrunner’s “agenda,” which the He-Babies (and their few female allies) see as an distinctly untasty mélange of feminism, trans advocacy, and pro-fat-activism.
Some saw a more specific agenda — an attempt by the lesbian showrunner to fill a cartoon world with characters who look just like her (and that maybe she wants to fuck). Yep: while some of the He-Babies are complaining that the main characters are being desexualized, others are insinuating that they are being re-sexualized in a creepy lesbian pedophile way.
But these dark insinuators aren’t the only ones who think it’s somehow nefarious that the new characters are teenagers. In their mind, it shows that those in charge of this show for children are coming for … our children?
For others, the real problem isn’t that the show is aimed at kids; it;s that it’s also aimed at adults, as part of an insidious plot to keep them in a perpetual state of arrested development.
One surprisingly large subset of the complainers seemed to be less bothered by the breast-reductions of the female characters than they were about the decision to transform the show’s main male character, Bow, from an overdeveloped, mustachioed white man into a black teenager.
And while I didn’t see any of the commenters on Reddit explicitly calling this “white genocide,” well, it wasn’t hard to tell that some of them sort of wished they could, and were biting their tongues only because Internet Nazis have learned that using the g-word about race-swapped cartoon characters and interracial couples in tv commercials makes them look like the hysterical racists they like to deny that they are.
For some, the fact that the original white character was a redhead made it somehow even more white-genocidey. (Never mind that showrunner Stevenson is herself a ginger.)
Yes, the person who refers to switching a character from white to black as “blacktarring” is accusing others of racism.
It’s no coincidence that the most vehement complaints about the new She-Ra can be found on KotakuInAction, the former GamerGate hub on Reddit that has kept on with its defacto GamerGating despite the original movement’s disappearance from the headlines, with its focus widening to comics and movies and TV shows as well as games.
But even by KotakuInAction standards this reaction is extreme. The standard GamerGate/KotakuInAction complaint is that eeeevil females and other so-called SJWs are invading the sacred male spaces of video games, comic books, Ghostbuster movies. (Granted, none of these spaces actually “belong” to men, but these guys have convinced themselves they do.)
But She-Ra? This was a show from the 80s aimed at girls, and watched by girls. These guys can’t even pretend it “belongs” to them. So they come up with other excuses to get mad about it. Hence the talk about female “role models” and supposedly insidious SJW/feminist/lesbian/trans agendas. Because god forbid a female superhero not be shaped like Barbie.
So why do these guys care about She-Ra’s cartoon boobs so much? Because it’s not about cartoon women; it’s about real women. As one game designer put it on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/why_wolf/status/1019453220224040960
Yep. GamerGate — and the amorphous cultural backlash that followed it — was always about reinforcing traditional gender roles and restricting the range of what is considered appropriately feminine. The girls in the She-Ra reboot are feminine; they’re just a different kind of feminine, one that doesn’t cater to the male gaze. These are characters that a lot of girls can identify with, not idealized versions of one narrow and conventional kind of femininity.
Angry He-Babies: this show is mot for you. It never was for you. Leave it the hell alone.
@Nequam:
My personal hypotheses are that the moe boom of the 2000’s (?) has blurred the lines between cute and sexy, and that Japanese culture’s emphasis on cuteness (and related innocence and purity) has combined with the obsessive/possessive behavior of a fandom defined by stereotypes of losers unable to get women to date them.
Or something. Basically, I think your second choice is the more likely one, and that Japanese cultural values of cuteness are related to it.
There’s also a level of creepiness considering in this new reboot she’s like 12.
They want a young girl to be sexy for their gaze
Noooooooooope
Noooooooooooooooope
On a side note finally a character who does shorts under a skirt so I don’t feel abnormal
ack double post, sorry
Back in the day, I was always more into Thundarr the Barbarian. If they did a remake of that, I honestly don’t know how I’d react if they reduced the breasts on Ookla the Mok.
I was definitely a She-Ra fan back in the 80’s, but then again I was also in kindergarten when that show was on, so I really don’t remember much about the show itself. I do remember my friend who lived down the street had a suit of pink plastic She-Ra armor that came with a crown and a pink plastic sword, and I thought that was SO COOL and wanted to borrow it all the time when I was at her house.
I probably liked She-Ra because she was a warrior woman, and I was a tomboy who liked female characters who could kick ass (and still am), and there weren’t that many around during the 80’s, and 80’s toys and cartoons were very gender-segregated, so I was happy when they came out with a female version of He-Man so I could get in on the ass kicking action too.
So what kind of role model do these guys want She-Ra to be for little girls? And what kind of role model do they want her to be that requires her to have big boobs?
Clearly they don’t want She-Ra to encourage girls to be warriors or tomboys, so the only thing I can think of is they somehow think a cartoon character with big boobs will encourage girls to be more sexy. Which is creepy because I didn’t even know what sex was yet when I used to watch this show. I mean, this was the age where I was also watching Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. And it’s not like a TV show can encourage girls to grow bigger boobs when they reach puberty, since I didn’t. That’s kind of a genetic thing.
Ugh, next these guys are going to start sexualizing Peppa Pig or something.
Surplus, sorry about the late reply. I guess I was referring to the idea that large breasts and other body parts pleasing to incels are the only qualities that make women good role models. Never would women’s minds be considered.
Way back when… My sisters and I were fans of He-man and She-Ra (and Thundercats). They were adults in a cartoon for children; it looks like this new incarnation is about children, in a cartoon for children.
I’ll say that again, children in a children’s cartoon. I’d say that I’m surprised that they’re complaining that animated young teenagers aren’t ‘fit’ enough for them, don’t have big enough breasts or show enough leg, but these creeps don’t surprise me anymore. Appall, disgust, make me want to find Vetinari’s scorpion pit and throw them in with the mimes, but not surprise.
Honestly, I dont have much problem with the art style. Lots of things we used to take for granted in animation has changed, budgets are somewhat smaller, and the main target audience I’d people way younger than me. However, the best Science Fiction and Fantasy stuff still ends up on animation, no matter where. America, Korea, Japan, and other places. I really enjoyed She-Ra as a kid, much more than He-Man, but as a budding trans femme egg, I was always looking to women as role models. Incels and Gamergaters just want everything to be for them, and cant stand when something isn’t for them. Heck, I avoid most Steven Universe fanboards for just that reason, and it’s my favourite show on TV. Diversity behind the animation, diversity on the cartoon. And then there’s Craig of the Creek, Ok Ko, created by one of my favourite webcomic people back in the 2000s…Summer Camp Island… So cute… I’m just saying, I’ve been watching cartoons forever, and in my opinion, they’ve gotten better, for the most part.
@Juniper
Never test Rule 34 of the Internet, you poor innocent soul.
@Weatherwax,
While I don’t know the cartoon you’re referring to (sorry), you might consider exposing your friend to ContraPoints. She started her YouTube channel when she was still in denial about her gender identity, and has continued making videos through her realization and transition.
In particular I recommend her video on autogynephilia, a transphobic theory about why trans women transition. She explains, dissects, and debunks the theory, and gives a moving account of her own sexuality before, during, and after her transition. https://youtu.be/6czRFLs5JQo
Button, many thanks. I’ll give it a look.
ContraPoints is so, sooo good. Highly recommended.
So would any one here or any where else care if they went with the original glamazon look? I’m thinking no one would
is the comment that has me most baffled. I don’t understand what that is supposed to mean???
@Lunetta
That one’s easy. They’re saying that a fat woman with no breasts would be large at the base and taper up like a cone shape. I think it’s usually known as pear shaped.
@Fabe: the people crying “But the SJWs!!1!!” and “What about her boooooobs!?!” the loudest would probably find something else to complain about, then. Like “Well, the writing is full of SJW influence!!!” or something, probably. (I’ve seen a few ‘fretting’ over the showrunner’s sexual orientation, like heaven forbid that a lesbian get to run a show!) I’m sure it would be something. *sigh*
I’ve seen some pretty nasty and trans-phobic comments about her new design. It’s really gross. The really sad/pathetic part is that most of the loudest complainers probably never really intended to watch the show anyway. *rolls eyes*
I’d personally think it would be a step backward to just re-do the “glamazon” look of the 80s. It’s more realistic to have a wider variety of body types in a show. I’d say modern kids are used to more sophisticated animated shows than back in my day, and that they expect that kind of thing. Also better storytelling and more character development and character growth. I think those things are what really make a good show, tbh.
The original He-man and She-ra both, when it boils down to it, were meant to sell toys. I think that’s one of the big reasons behind the body-type sameness in both shows, so they could re-use the same base toy models over and over again. (That and the low budget forced them to take artistic shortcuts.) The Netflix version doesn’t have those restrictions to deal with, thank goodness! They can deviate from the original! If you’re going to just re-hash the same thing, then why bother?
In the end, I may like the new version, or I may not, and that’s OKAY! I’m sure plenty of others will enjoy it, though. There’s a lot of fan-art being made already, so clearly at least some people LOVE the new look!
@faerie_bard
My money would be on them complaining that it would be impossible for women who looks like a super models to be able to fight or do anything else but look pretty and maybe make sandwiches .
@Fluffy Spider Returns
*solidarity fist-bump*
I always wear shorts or leggings under skirts and dresses, without fail. Comfy but also practical. I seriously hate feeling vulnerable, too (same reason I always wear flat shoes).
*channels Madame Razz*
“Oh, dearie my, that’s easy!
Razzle Dazzle, Doozle Danwich,
Make these guys into a sandwich!”
*POOF*
@faerie_bard
Yes, actually Netflix has another series called The Toys That Made Us which has an entire episode about the history of He-Man. In fact, it seems some of the men who designed the toys blamed She-Ra when the He-Man toys stopped selling well. They basically said (I’m paraphrasing of course) that they thought that little boys didn’t think He-Man was cool anymore once they saw GIRLS playing with a similar toy (there are women in our “spaces!” oh noes!) So, original She-Ra got some undeserved hate as well.
I saw more straight up bashing/hating.
Thus spake Zaracalmdown:
Yikes. Our society starts training in that fragile masculinity and male entitlement early, doesn’t it?
I’m hoping that the young boys were innocent and the adult men were projecting their insecurities, but that might be overly optimistic.
Yes definitely that too, alas. The ‘fretting’ ones I saw were on one of the more “official” fan forums and were clearly trying to dance around that forum’s rules and whatnot. A couple guys in particular are being rather insufferable over there. One or two of them have quite a track record for this kind of thing. It’s stuff that would get them mocked and maybe banned here if they didn’t get the hint, but not QUITE enough to get the banhammer over there.
I like the new She-Ra design she is cute and her clothing looks comfortable and easy to move in (really important for a sword fighter).
Granted I’m a 90s kid so I missed the original but got SailorMoon and “Cardcaptors” for my women lead action cartoons.
@calmdown
I saw that one! And they even made She-Ra because girls liked He-Man toys so they made Andora and stuck her on another planet to minimize mixing of the genders or something.
She-ra is getting the Teen Titans treatment, so what’s the big screamin’ deal? Was the sky falling when Starfire wasn’t presented to kids in her ludicrous nipple armor?