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He-Babies lash out at the new She-Ra, bravely defend the white race and cartoon ladies with huge gazongas

The original She-Ra and her oversized breast … plate

By David Futrelle

So the guys who get mad about imaginary tiddies are mad about imaginary tiddies again — or, rather, the lack of them. This time they’re mad about the lack of huge gazongas in Netflix’s reboot of She Ra, the 1980’s He-Man spinoff that none of these dudes ever watched in the first place either because they weren’t born yet or because it was a show for, ick, girls.

But now that the reboot’s showrunner, Noelle Stevenson, has posted art of the new (less busty) She-Ra and her (less busty) Princesses of Power, the He-Babies have suddenly decided that Western Civilization is at stake — and that the original She-Ra’s ample cleavage must be defended at all costs.

Here are the new character designs that have caused all the commotion:

https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing/status/1018926076389556224

(You can see comparisons of the old and new characters here.)

Some critics of the He-Baby movement have suggested that these guys are angry because they won’t be able to fap to a kids’ cartoon any more. But I don’t think that’s it, at least not for most of these guys. (I imagine that most dudes with an 80’s-cartoon-lady fetish would do much better, fap-wise, with Jessica Rabbit or that one gal in the Heavy Metal movie.)

But it’s also not about the art. She-Ra, like He-Man, was pretty shitty, art-wise, with crudely drawn characters and laughably minimal animation; whatever you think of the character design, the art for the new show is a lot more sophisticated.

So what are these dudes mad about? Having read through several hundred comments on the “controversy” posted on Reddit’s KotakuInAction subreddt, it’s pretty clear that for some of them, it really is about the tiddies: the female characters in the reboot, in addition to looking a lot younger than the originals, are also notably less busty.

Some of the complainers were pretty upfront about their boob fetishes. (Click on screenshots to see the comments in context on Reddit.)

Fateless- 3 points 2 days ago Wow, they cut off She-Ra's breasts.HelloTosh 34 points 2 days ago DO NOBODY GOT TITS NO MORE, GOD DAMN
lemskroob 50 points 2 days ago they all got mastectomies. Even the one they fattened up. They draw women like road cones.

Others were slightly less direct, complaining that the female characters in the reboot all “look like men” — with some complainers throwing some open transphobia into the mix.

Klaus73 5 points 2 days ago She puts the "He" is She-ra

Yanrogue 141 points 2 days ago they all look like a guy dressing like a girl. Wide shoulders no hips, no breast. It just looks weird

Hamakua 1 point 2 days ago The shera character (herself?) has a conventionally masculine jaw/face for animation. It looks like a boy with a crew cut with a taped on wig behind that. It might just be the still image but "that's a man baby." Forehead doesn't help neither does the muscularly defined upper torso, male proportions, and total lack of breast volume in the figure. Is She-ra supposed to be a transgender character this iteration? I wrote this elsewhere but deleted it and put it here because it fits your question better.

 

Aurondarklordunwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 3 points 1 day ago No, it doesn't. This is bad art, and it looks nothing like She-Ra, an already existing character with an already existing appearance, an appearance that has never involved armor, if that's even what this is. They just gave her the body of a man, no breasts, no hips, and the distinctive V shaped torso considered desirable in males, while also masculinizing her clothing, and simultaneously feminizing Bow. It looks like shit, and it looks like there's an agenda behind it.

And there’s the rub. The He-Babies see the smaller breasts less as a problem in themselves — there are plenty of other busty female superheroes to fetishize — than as a symbol of the new showrunner’s “agenda,” which the He-Babies (and their few female allies) see as an distinctly untasty mélange of feminism, trans advocacy, and pro-fat-activism.

Aurondarklordunwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 195 points 2 days ago We've known this for a long time now, "feminism against femininity" is very much a thing. They hate women being feminine, they hate men being masculine, they think everything is a social construct and imagine some kind of weird androgynous future for humanity where they can "smash the patriarchy" by somehow erasing sexual dimorphism.

kingcheezit 56 points 2 days ago Young girls are being stripped of more and more positive role models to aspire to. Its all about letting yourself turn in to a fat sad sack and getting a blue rinse and being fucking miserable, rather than looking after yourself and being the best you can be.

Some saw a more specific agenda — an attempt by the lesbian showrunner to fill a cartoon world with characters who look just like her (and that maybe she wants to fuck).  Yep: while some of the He-Babies are complaining that the main characters are being desexualized, others are insinuating that they are being re-sexualized in a creepy lesbian pedophile way.

-TheOutsid3r- 47 points 1 day ago If you take established characters who very much do not fit what you like. Then change every single last of them to appeal to your own tastes. Which just so happen to be androgynous young girls, a look you yourself are trying to achieve. Then yes, you are both sexualizing them AND doing so in a way that only appeals to a niche group that shares your interests.

Aurondarklordunwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 31 points 1 day ago Yep. These people can never separate their fetishes from their politics, they can never just admit when they're making something they're into instead of dressing it up in the language of self-righteousness to make their wants sound more important than other people's. And quite frankly, if they didn't think this were a tool for pushing their agenda, and just something they wanted to do because they enjoyed it, you wouldn't see the social justice press lining up lockstep to stop all criticism of it.

But these dark insinuators aren’t the only ones who think it’s somehow nefarious  that the new characters are teenagers. In their mind,  it shows that those in charge of this show for children are coming for … our children?

TheOutsid3r- 37 points 1 day ago In a way it's a necessity for them to do so too. If you look at many of the old left, the 68 student movement, various activists and protestors. Most of them never had children themselves, many of them are outright antinatalist. So they have to recruit other peoples children, have to go into the schools and universities and try to indoctrinate them. permalinkembedunsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]md1957[S] 19 points 1 day ago I get your point. In a sense, it's their way of passing on their ideology and mindsets, creating new "children" in their image. In that way, they seem to be hoping, they could become as gods be immortal.

For others, the real problem isn’t that the show is aimed at kids; it;s that it’s also aimed at adults, as part of an insidious plot to keep them in a perpetual state of arrested development.

MazInger-Z 9 points 2 days ago To keep them mentally and emotionally arrested in their teens when they are 27. So they don't give adult a second thought until it is thrust upon them and they'll vote for anyone willing to take responsibility from them so they can go back to being 14.

One surprisingly large subset of the complainers seemed to be less bothered by the breast-reductions of the female characters than they were about the decision to transform the show’s main male character, Bow, from an overdeveloped, mustachioed white man into a black teenager.

And while I didn’t see any of the commenters on Reddit explicitly calling this “white genocide,” well, it wasn’t hard to tell that some of them sort of wished they could, and were biting their tongues only because Internet Nazis have learned that using the g-word about race-swapped cartoon characters and interracial couples in tv commercials makes them look like the hysterical racists they like to deny that they are.

PadaV4 198 points 2 days ago And white good guy got brownified. I guess white males are not allowed to be the good guys.

For some, the fact that the original white character was a redhead made it somehow even more white-genocidey. (Never mind that showrunner Stevenson is herself a ginger.)

CoffeechipmunkLOBSTERS!?! 25 points 2 days ago Ginger washing is a thing! Gingers always get turned black.amy_vanhym 27 points 2 days ago Don't forget April O'Neil. Redheads are the whitest (most emblematic) of Europeans, so they get blacktarred the most. If this trend isn't driven by genuine racial hatred I'll eat my username.

Yes, the person who refers to switching a character from white to black as “blacktarring” is accusing others of racism.

It’s no coincidence that the most vehement complaints about the new She-Ra can be found on KotakuInAction, the former GamerGate hub on Reddit that has kept on with its defacto GamerGating despite the original movement’s disappearance from the headlines, with its focus widening to comics and movies and TV shows as well as games.

But even by KotakuInAction standards this reaction is extreme. The standard GamerGate/KotakuInAction complaint is that eeeevil females and other so-called SJWs are invading the sacred male spaces of video games, comic books, Ghostbuster movies. (Granted, none of these spaces actually “belong” to men, but these guys have convinced themselves they do.)

But She-Ra? This was a show from the 80s aimed at girls, and watched by girls. These guys can’t even pretend it “belongs” to them. So they come up with other excuses to get mad about it. Hence the talk about female “role models” and supposedly insidious SJW/feminist/lesbian/trans agendas. Because god forbid a female superhero not be shaped like Barbie.

So why do these guys care about She-Ra’s cartoon boobs so much? Because it’s not about cartoon women; it’s about real women. As one game designer put it on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/why_wolf/status/1019453220224040960

Yep. GamerGate — and the amorphous cultural backlash that followed it — was always about reinforcing traditional gender roles and restricting the range of what is considered appropriately feminine. The girls in the She-Ra reboot are feminine; they’re just a different kind of feminine, one that doesn’t cater to the male gaze.  These are characters that a lot of girls can identify with, not idealized versions of one narrow and conventional kind of femininity.

Angry He-Babies: this show is mot for you. It never was for you. Leave it the hell alone.

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Freemage
Freemage
6 years ago

I’ll admit that I like the art style (NOT the character designs) of the old series better. The new stuff seems a lot flatter (oh, goddammit, I’ve been trying for several seconds to come up with a different word, and failing miserably). It feels like some of the Netflix-exclusive anime that’s come out recently, actually–there’s just less linework in general, and that makes the characters less defined.

But yeah, the designs are so infinitely more awesome, for the most part. I’d like to see what the original artists would’ve come up with if given the basics of the new designs as their go-point. (One exception: I don’t think I care for EITHER She-Ra outfit design, though–jogging shorts don’t seem that much better for fighting. How about something that she can wear that won’t leave her knees all scuffed up from every fall?)

Naturally, all due scorn is to be heaped upon the KiA scumpuppies, because they really are quite pathetic.

Kivutar
Kivutar
6 years ago

“Yep. These people can never separate their fetishes from their politics, they can never just admit when they’re making something they’re into instead of dressing it up in the language of self-righteousness to make their wants sound more important than other people’s.”

So close.

So close.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Not that I particularly need or want the new She-Ra to have big boobs or anything, but can I just say something?

I hate how big boobs = sexualized character and small boobs = non-sexualized character.

Is it totally out of the realm of possibility to have a female character with large breasts that isn’t sexually objectified and with the primary character trait being boob jiggle?

Again, this isn’t addressed to this show in particular, just a pattern I’ve noticed. It reinforces the stereotype the only small breasted women can be taken seriously while large breasted women can only be sex objects. That’s actually harmful to women and girls who are large breasted as we are actually well rounded human beings that don’t exist solely as a vessel for boobage.

Okay. Rant over. I know that’s not the point of the post.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
6 years ago

Most of the references I’ve seen to the new designs have been positive, but I noticed a guy on Facebook today, with a “just playing devil’s advocate” manner, give a potted history of Weird Tales magazine covers, Robert E. Howard, and Boris Vallejo, in order to argue that exaggerated physiques and revealing costumes are a *requirement* of the sword-and-sorcery genre, and if the animators had wanted to make characters without them they shouldn’t have rebooted She-Ra.
I decided my point of attack would be to remind him that Conan of Cimmeria dresses appropriately for the different locations he finds himself in (quite often he wears a pirate outfit) and that the fur-shorts-and-bare-chest look was standardized later.

Passagère clandestine
Passagère clandestine
6 years ago

They hate women being feminine, they hate men being masculine, they think everything is a social construct and imagine some kind of weird androgynous future for humanity where they can “smash the patriarchy” by somehow erasing sexual dimorphism.

For the best of two worlds, I would suggest them to google “Michel Angelo’s women”. Muscular men bodies grafted onto big women boobs.

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
6 years ago

I’m with you, WWTH- the complete absence of bustiness is just as unnatural as everyone having the Frank Frazetta Porportions that was the case in the old series. They’re just boobs, women have them. Even very young women. *Looks sadly at ten year old me hiding under giant sweatshirts*
Hard to tell much from a handful of screenshots though. It looks to me like they’re trying for Adventure Time style-but realistic. Good luck threading that needle!

Passagère clandestine
Passagère clandestine
6 years ago

(One exception: I don’t think I care for EITHER She-Ra outfit design, though–jogging shorts don’t seem that much better for fighting. How about something that she can wear that won’t leave her knees all scuffed up from every fall?)

Sir Terry said it best:

Now, there is a tendency at a point like this to look over one’s shoulder at the cover artist and start going on at length about leather, tightboots and naked blades.

Words like ‘full’, ‘round’ and even ‘pert’ creep into the narrative, until the writer has to go and have a cold shower and a lie down.

Which is all rather silly, because any woman setting out to make a living by the sword isn’t about to go around looking like something off the cover of the more advanced kind of lingerie catalogue for the specialized buyer.

Oh well, all right. The point that must be made is that although Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan would look quite stunning after a good bath, a heavy-duty manicure, and the pick of the leather racks in Woo Hun Ling’s Oriental Exotica and Martial Aids on Heroes Street, she was currently quite sensibly dressed in light chain mail, soft boots, and a short sword.

All right, maybe the boots were leather. But not black.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

Oh look, someone else is talking about those guys who bravely face the rigors of celibacy with barely any whining:

Incel Memes Aren’t a Joke
How playful propaganda can mask a dangerous and toxic culture.
By Christina Cauterucci
July 19, 20185:57 AM

Incel culture has flourished online, where like-minded men post unsigned messages on Reddit, 4chan, and incel message boards, describing their most sinister fantasies about worlds in which women are collected like tax dollars and redistributed for sex. These insular communities have developed an in-group lingo that’s tricky for outsiders to parse. When a community that’s highly anonymous, decentralized, and often contradictory becomes fodder for memes, which are easily stripped of their provenance and edit history, it becomes extremely difficult for observers to understand and contextualize what they’re seeing. Memes can provide crucial insight into what’s really going on in incel forums. They can also warp the truth. Whether a meme is a bit of primary-source incel doctrine, a hyperbolic riff on an in-joke, or a work of satire can be impossible to determine if you don’t spend hours a day steeping yourself in the native language of incel culture.

Yeah, I feel like I know way too much about these creepy creeps.

OTOH, knowledge is a good thing.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/07/incel-memes-like-millimeters-of-bone-and-virgin-vs-chad-mask-a-dangerous-and-toxic-culture.html

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

I’ve been hearing MRA’s say “b-but He-man!” and “Superheroes!” whenever anyone brought up female objectification. You’d think making the heavily muscled “Chad” body type into a much more normal looking body type would make them happy, but nothing makes them happy. Even if he was white, they’d probably call him a “Cuck” or a “Soyboy” for hanging out with She-ra.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

I love JMS’ response to the whining fanboys:

https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/1019837340158607360

Bakunin
Bakunin
6 years ago

@Kivutar
Don’t forget the arrested development comment. So close indeed.

And if the new art style keeps the characters on model and better animated than the original, I call it a success.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

Fan dudes: “I want to see only the giantest boobs in my cartoons”

Also fan dudes: “NO FAT CHICKS”

Well damn guys, what did you think breasts were mostly made of? Magic?

Saint-Somnia
Saint-Somnia
6 years ago

A little OT, but the art style for the reboot looks like Steven Universe art, which is a bit off putting for me cause me and SU aren’t on good terms right now.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
6 years ago

Re the art. I definitely like the new art much better, especially that Bow fellow. New version is adorable, old version looks like the kind of man I’d be literally afraid to share space with (heart shirt be damned).

IDK. I should probably have more of an eye for the ditching of objectification, but like… It just really makes me happy to see male characters who AREN’T designed like invincible Hulk bouncers from Satan’s own pub chain. So tired of male invincibility shit and how it feeds into female helplessness/rescue/protection narratives.

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

@Saint-Somnia

I’ve heard a lot of online reactionaries refer to Steven Universe as some kind of horrible SJW propaganda. Might that be part of why these guys freaked out so hard, because of the similarity? Obviously their reasons for that reaction would be very different than yours.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Kat, ambassador etc., Thanks for sharing that link. I forgot one of the rules and looked at the comments.

Don’t look at the comments.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@some_twitter_mra_ahole:

So they don’t give adult a second thought until it is thrust upon them and they’ll vote for anyone willing to take responsibility from them so they can go back to being 14.

Irony!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@Robert

Kat, ambassador etc., Thanks for sharing that link. I forgot one of the rules and looked at the comments.

Don’t look at the comments.

Thanks for the warning. Occasionally incels get a little rapey and a little homicidal.

Ariblester
Ariblester
6 years ago

sighs

Even the old vs. new comparison linked by David is editorializing in its captions:

The background art is the only thing worth its salt.

@Saint-Somnia

Yeah, I’m seeing shades of SU in this. Hope they don’t go the way of SU in making every single character off-model all the time.

Ooglyboggles
6 years ago

@Cyborgette

Ain’t dude but…

I was gonna say “hopes and dreams” but magic works too :V

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
6 years ago

She-ra with huge gazongas is a “positive role model” for girls? K then. Glad they cleared that one up. Guess it’s time to scrub all that ridiculousness about female astronauts or doctors or, (certainly presidents) and such. Don’t want to put ideas into the future cis women’s heads.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
6 years ago

Oh, and I didn’t know Nazis loved gingers. I thought they liked Teutonic blondes. Since I’m a ginger, I’m nervous now. Time to dye my hair.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@Katherine:

Hold on — are you saying women cannot be a positive role model if they have large breasts? That seems … problematic.

epitome of incomprehensibility

In the clips I saw of the original, She-Ra’s design is more detailed, but her face seems hard to animate. To me, it looked like she hardly changes expressions. The characters’ new art style is less distinctive, perhaps what TV Tropes calls animesque, but it probably makes them easier to animate.

Anyway, the whining. There’s nothing wrong with a character having big boobs, but there’s nothing wrong with a character NOT having big boobs, either. Plus, art design can change across different versions of shows.

In short, these complaints? Making mountains out of molehills (so to speak).

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