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Women only like animals with big dicks because they love getting “horsed,” Incel weirdo hypothesizes

This Horsecel would beg to differ

By David Futrelle

Considering how little they actually ever talk to the, er, “femoids” that they constantly obsess over, it’s kind of remarkable how confident so-called “involuntary celibates” are that they understand the secret desires of women better than women themselves do.

Case in point: A thread on the Incels.me forum today devoted to discussing the proposition that “Women like animals proportionate to how big the animals dick is. Women do not care about small dick animals.”

The OP explained his hypothesis thusly:

MilkTeaPill Recruit - Today at 8:07 PM#1 Think about it you almost never see women care about small dick animals like hamsters. However girls go crazy for dogs and horses. Girls absolutely go crazy for horses because their dick are like at least a foot long. Have you seen the look in a girls eyes when she is with a horse? She is thinking of getting horsed and getting that BHC in her pounding her little human pussy into oblivion.

In a series of followup comments, MilkTeaPill elaborated on one longtime obsession of internet lady haters — the notion that a significant portion of the human female population is having sex with dogs.

YEP every female that chose to get a dog and lives on her own is fucking that dog. And about 60% of girls that have a family dog have done something sexual with the dog.

He did not cite a source for this statistic. In fact, the percentage of women who have sex with animals is probably closer to 2 percent, according to the only survey I was able to find that seemed even vaguely reliable; the same survey suggested that men were more than twice as likely as women to have sex with animals. I would imagine that the percentage of zoophiles who actually let horses penetrate them is a tiny fraction of this, given that it can quite easily kill you.

But MilkTeaPill went on to insist that for many, er, “foids” — the favorite incel term for women — dogs were no longer enough. Be warned that the quotes that follow may spoil your dinner if this hasn’t happened already. 

dog dicks aren’t big enough for foids these days. They need that BHD (Big Horse Dick). 1-2 feet of horse dick pounding their insides. …

They can’t get enough of that multi foot dick stretching out their human pussy. They love it when horses cum liters of horse seed into them. This is literally every foids dream. …

Horse dick is the new standard that is the point I was making. … Soon enough there will be horse get aways were hundreds of foids go to a ranch for a weekend to get HORSED.

Many of MilkTeaPill’s fellow incels thought there was a good deal of merit to this argument.

Self-described AfrikanCel declared that Milk’s post was “High IQ,” and that “[f]oids disproportionately love big penis animals for this reason.”

“I remember one horse girl in class got questioned about stallions and she blushed hard,” wrote someone called HarvesterOfInceldom. “You knew she was fucking it.”

A few of the regulars were skeptical, noting that women often choose cats and rabbits — animals not exactly known for their gargantuan members — as pets. One even pointed to a survey suggesting that women prefer average-sized penises over (figuratively or literally) horse-sized dicks.

But Milk’s defenders had rebuttals. According to AfrikanCel, women love cats because they serve as substitute babies. But someone called Curious0 had what he saw as a better explanation:

They like male horses so they get fucked and female cats to get licked since most (all) women are bisexual.

There is so much wrongness packed into that sentence I think I will just give up and stop right here.

H/T — I found the strangely relevant horse cartoon on the @PanelPulp twitter account

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Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@Buttercup:

They’re just going to keep on digging until they get below beetles, worms, and single-celled organisms.

Tomorrow’s incel headline today: “Girls have bacteria up there and yogurt is marketed mainly at girls. Guess why?”

(Substitute much worse slurs than just calling grown women “girls”)

Pretty soon we’ll be hearing about how women are secretly getting it on with the earth’s mantle.

“Girls go gaga for eclogites! Hard as rock any time they want it and known to sometimes bear diamonds.”

You can’t really get lower than formerly-subducted tectonic plates without having all the water baked and squeezed out of you.

Oh, on the whole rural-poor-person-owning-a-horse thing: isn’t the elephant in the room here the fact that this rural person owns land? And, if they keep horses on it, a substantial amount at that. I mean, unless sharecroppers are still a thing.

I’d always taken land ownership as automatic membership in (at least) the middle class. If all else fails you can sell it or borrow against it and move to the city with a sizable chunk of change to get you by until you land a job. I suppose if it’s already leveraged to the hilt, you’ve stayed put, and things don’t improve, then you’re in trouble, but you’re probably about to be foreclosed on anyway at that point, and an ex-land-owner can certainly be lower than middle class.

My verdict would be: unless that person’s in hock up to their eyeballs, or is (anachronistically?) a rural tenant farmer, they’re not really poor.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

these people are… strange.

In other news, Pepe T. Trollfrog is sad… sad he is not getting the respect he so desperately craves….

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/trolls-and-the-trump-gop-are-sounding-awfully-alike.html

Where once a raucous and influential segment of the culture couldn’t stop slaying other people’s sacred cows, now they are angry that people aren’t showing enough respect. They’re paranoid and complain about having to “hide” their love of Trump. People who mocked the suffering of children profess outrage at how their entitled millionaire is being treated. Trump himself can’t stop complaining that everything is “very unfair!” This isn’t really the way trolls are supposed to sound; it’s thin-skinned and petulant.

Talonknife
Talonknife
3 years ago

I know a few size queens that have some horse-related fantasies, but tehy’re just that: fantasies. They’re all furries, but none of them are interested in having sex with actual, non-humanoid horses.

Also, most of them are dudes, not ladies, so make of that what you will.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Buttercup, Surplus

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Out of topic, but I could like an exterior look.

I know a lot of people in a particular wargaming community. The World Team Championship is approaching fast, and someone have dropped from one of the french team.

Now, there is three people interested and good enough for the position : one women, and two men, all of them my friends. (there are other, but thoses threes are head and shoulder above the other people who aren’t already in the teams)

Now, the woman is the one who have the less chance to get it, because in the past she refused to even try the selection tournament and because she play the same faction as another player in the team (think having two player in the same Overwatch roster playing the same hero).

Now, what did she do ? She is trying to attack the legitimacy of the other two, and I have seen her trying to convince the other two to not even try to get the place because of thoses legitimacy issues, which mostly are a load of bunks. I fear this will actually backfire on her, which is pretty sad because she legitimaly play extremely well. And I would highly dislike seeing the only competitive women in France in that game to stop competitions.

I also fear that she will feel like she lost face if she is not selected as replacement. I don’t know what to do, if anything, but I fear a bad conclusion to that, and I don’t know how to disarm that :/

I don’t think to be free of bias in that story, and that bias would likely go in favor of the two men. Dunno if there is any useful comment to do with that, but I suspect it’s a common enough occurence that maybe people will have similar story to share or useable advices.

JenniferAndLightning
JenniferAndLightning
3 years ago

The idea that owning land somehow makes a person middleclass is untrue and kind of offensive in that “people-who- have-refrigerators-aren’t-really-poor”kind of way. I am only going to speak for NY family dairy farms, (because that is the rural I know), but I suspect it applies to other small farmers, too.

I have known numerous poor farmers (struggled to put food on the table and qualified for public benefits) who “owned” decent chunks of land. Not all land is valuable or sought after. Land comes with expenses, like maintenance and taxes. Land can be (and often is) mortgaged beyond it’s value without any imminent risk of foreclosure. Many rural landowners struggle with their finance payments for their entire careers, but don’t actually lose the land. In NY, at least, you can be a few months (or more) behind on payments pretty much indefinitely and it just adds fees and fines. When my grandfather finally sold the family farm, after years of being too disabled to work it, he didn’t get a chunk of change to start in the city (a place where he wouldn’t know how to function), just a significant reduction in debt. That experience isn’t unusual or unique. Louis County, NY (nearest city is about an hour drive to either Utica or Rome) isn’t exactly a destination point and landowners there are owned by the banks. The only thing that makes them owners and not tenants is legalistic definitions of ownership where you can be responsible for something without having actual or substantial equity in it.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

@Surplus:

Oh, on the whole rural-poor-person-owning-a-horse thing: isn’t the elephant in the room here the fact that this rural person owns land? And, if they keep horses on it, a substantial amount at that. I mean, unless sharecroppers are still a thing.

I’d always taken land ownership as automatic membership in (at least) the middle class. If all else fails you can sell it or borrow against it and move to the city with a sizable chunk of change to get you by until you land a job. I suppose if it’s already leveraged to the hilt, you’ve stayed put, and things don’t improve, then you’re in trouble, but you’re probably about to be foreclosed on anyway at that point, and an ex-land-owner can certainly be lower than middle class.

Where I grew up, most working-class people with a horse or two would not own their own land; they’d keep the horse in someone else’s stable or barn (like with the cows at a dairy-farmer’s place) for a monthly fee. Obviously you won’t prioritize doing this if you’re dirt poor, and in the big city areas horse rent is high and you need a sizeable income. Where I grew up though, you can afford stable/barn rent for a horse or possibly even two while, say, working a factory job.

Now, if we look at small farms where you could keep your couple of horses in your own tiny stable and have them graze on a little field of your own (even though you’d still need to buy hay, because it’s not large enough to grow all the hay you need for the winter), and we’re still way out in the country, not within commuting distance of a big city, those farms are not expensive. Just looking at the national real estate web site, one near where I grew up was recently sold for 1,1 million SKr. That’s the equivalent of 126 000 US dollars. If you’re gonna try to convert that to an apartment in Stockholm county, say, it’s gonna buy you (checking real estate web site again) at the most a one-room apartment far away from the city, in a “non-nice” neighbourhood, where it takes an hour on the commuter trains to get to down town. And you’d have no change to spare after you bought it.
You could get something slightly better if you bought something in a smaller city, but yeah. That’s about it.

So the reason I say that where I grew up there were working-class people owning horses is really not that I have a completely twisted notion of what makes a person working-class. I’m really talking people with factory jobs and the like here.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

Jennifer and I wrote at the same time. 🙂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Dublin is of course famous for people keeping horses on council estates.

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Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
3 years ago

@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

Hypergeomy!

This is beginning to remind me of the greatest-ever Science-side-of-Tumblr thread — the one about the malachite stalactite.

Otrame
Otrame
3 years ago

I don’t have time to read the comments now, but I have to ask: Have any of these ridiculous people ever actualuly seen an erect horse penis?

Uly
Uly
3 years ago

Okay, so cats have really rough tongues which are used to clean themselves and to lick meat off the bones of their prey. Their tongues are extremely rough. This ought to go without saying, but even if you’re really into that sort of thing, it’s probably a fantasy rather then reality, because I really doubt anybody in the world wants cat tongues near their sensitive areas, and not only because it’s gross. Have these people ever met a cat?

(Once again, I’m stuck on the low-hanging fruit of their posts, but omg.)

flexitarian haruspex
flexitarian haruspex
3 years ago

@ Jennifer

Yes, what you said. It was pretty much the same where I grew up, in rural southwest North Dakota. The equipment for ranching and farming is a huge cost as well. I was a townie, but I remember hearing about combines regularly costing $250K or more – I have no idea what the cost these days after inflation and all.

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

@Talonknife

I know a few size queens that have some horse-related fantasies, but tehy’re just that: fantasies. They’re all furries, but none of them are interested in having sex with actual, non-humanoid horses.

I was just going to say… yeah, there is a market out there for equine-shaped phalli, but it’s very much in an anthropomorphic context (anthro meaning “human”). Speaking as a furry, any fantasies I might have do require a fair amount of human anatomy that place them squarely in the realm of the fantastic (read: not in reality).

And as much as there are toys that are shaped like the anatomy of any number of beasts fantastical and otherwise, it’s not like that’s restricted to phalli. There are penetrable toys sculpted to depict any number of fantasy creatures as well.

As Prohass said:

And yet so many incels seem obsessed with sexualising my little pony

Yeah, thanks for catering to that crowd, BadDragon.

In short, I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts this is pure projection on the part of the original poster. Ten bucks says there’s some furry stuff in his “Documents” folder.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

What drugs are these people on and where can I get them? Actually, scratch that last one, they’re clearly no good.

Also, aren’t women more prone to having cats than dogs? Not sure how that fits into this neat little “logic” they’re cooking up here.

Rhymenocerous
Rhymenocerous
3 years ago

@ Alan Robertshaw

In each of those photos, it looks like the guys are about to fall off their horse.

It gives the impression there are random horses wandering around, and once in a while, someone just decides to hop on one as a challenge.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Rhymenocerous

It gives the impression there are random horses wandering around, and once in a while, someone just decides to hop on one as a challenge.

I attempted to do some research on this, and found a vaguely related video. It is certainly a thing.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Ok, so Trump puts tariffs on China. China retaliates by putting tariffs on US soy; putting US farmers in jeopardy. But China needs soy; so where does it turn to instead…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-17/china-buys-record-amount-of-russian-soy-as-it-shuns-u-s-growers

So basically millions of dollars removed from US economy and sent straight to Trump’s election agent.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Diego

Also, aren’t women more prone to having cats than dogs?

I know that’s ‘common knowledge’ but is it actually true?

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

@Ohlmann, impossible to really say why she’s acting as she is, but I can tell you that most miniature gaming scenes are really hard for women to be in. They can be extremely weathering. That could easily be colouring her perception of tournaments and official events.

Like, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to go to any official tournaments, and my tanks regularly run roughshod over everything in their way. It’s draining enough dealing with my curated little collection of gamers. Going to a tournament? Holy noodle, no thank you.

As for why she’d be convincing others to not go as well? Lots of reasons that might be. A benign reason might be that she doesn’t want her group to start breaking apart as part starts getting serious and going to tournaments she wants nothing to do with. I really can’t tell whether that’s the case or not though, since I don’t know her at all. That’s just one possible reason.

@Dr. Thang

Anyone wanna help me fill in the gaps?

Sorry my duck, but filling in incel gaps is, like, the last thing I’d ever want to do ever. Unless you mean, like, cask-of-amontillado style.

@QuantumInc

I think it’s some sort of ritual to temporarily aim their shame at somebody else. They’ve long since run out of quasi-plausible things to say and they’re just making stuff up. Letting go of their hate long enough to ask “Wait, do I really believe most women are guilty of bestiality?” is just too painful because any amount of self reflection feels like a knife to the gut. I doubt they say these things because they believe, I suspect that most alt-right groups function to weaken their members sense of truth. That these communities train people to stop distinguishing between true and false, correct and incorrect, plausible and saying-this-feels-vaguely-good. Speech serves a function, but here it is rarely communication.

Yeah, seconded. They … well. They believe it, but not in the literal sense. They use these ridiculous, awful statements as a metaphor for their deep hate of women. They’re just communicating “I hate women”, over and over, and are using new lenses for that same basic statement. It’s a group bonding thing.

Similar happens in the chans and alt-right spaces of the world I think. Like, if you corner an alt-right asshole with actual facts, they’ll eventually give way and admit that the facts are on your side – but it won’t matter, and they’ll say it doesn’t matter, because even if Trump lied about the wall being a big physical wall 80 feet high, what’s important is that he wants a barrier and wants to protect the borders and blah-blah-blah. Confront them about the fact that immigrants are a net positive and provide facts and eventually that won’t matter either.

None of this matters to them. It’s not about the truth statement at all. It’s about group membership and loyalty. And – let’s be real here, lots of human conversation is about group membership and loyalty. The interesting thing (for certain values of interesting) is that most of the progressive-space membership conversations revolve around helping people or the world, or opposing large, faceless social movements. Most of the conservative-space membership conversations revolve around the things they hate. (Don’t cite me on that, that’s just my surface evaluation, and I’m probably wrong)

Anyways, very interesting topic. Social signalling is a really neat area of discussion!

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

I’ll take “posts written with one hand” for 400 Alex.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
3 years ago

@Dr. Thang: Wow, that’s a hell of a lot of overlap on that Venn diagram.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I think single women are more likely to have cats than dogs. Because single people are more likely to live in rentals or condos that don’t even allow dogs.

Married/cohabitating couples are more likely to be able to afford home ownership, so a lot of people do not get dogs until they are in a long term relationship.

That said, what’s so often ignored is that single men who live in rentals very often have cats instead of dogs too. Maybe not quite as often because there can still be a stigma around men liking cats, but based on my totally scientific personal observations, I think more men love cats than a lot of people think.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Oh, and in case everyone forgot, the US is not the only government turning to shit
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-government-vote-animal-sentience-cant-feel-pain-eu-withdrawal-bill-anti-science-tory-mps-a8065161.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Figure Alan must be pissed about this one.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
3 years ago

Well, of course women would prefer horses to incels. A horse might kill you by accident, but an incel will try on purpose.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Figure Alan must be pissed about this one.

Ah yes I was indeed. It’s funny though that you post that. I’ve on occasion been tempted to comment about it when we’ve had discussions about tactics, and especially recently with the ‘harassing’ of GOP associates. It brought up a few issues; so perhaps this is as good a time as any to relate.

As you can imagine we were outraged when that bill was passed; but things organised quickly. A list of those who’d voted in favour was complied and disseminated.

Either via groups, or just some individuals acting spontaneously, the MPs who’d voted in favour were contacted and our collective displeasure made clear.

Now for me it was tricky. My local MP voted in favour; but she’s a woman, and I’m more than aware of the shit women get merely for existing on the net.

I sought guidance from the very nice people on the Mammoth Discord as to how to contact and what to say. In the end I just posted something to my MPs Facebook page, linking to a relevant article and saying I thought she was vile.

But of course with a bill saying animals aren’t sentient and can’t feel pain, the protests write themselves. However, there’s that implicit threat in there when you’re posing the (not necessarily rhetorical) question or making statements, as to whether politicians can feel pain.

Most people in the animal rights movement aren’t violent of course; but some of them are. And that must be playing on politicians’ minds; especially in a post Jo Cox era. And to an extent, whether gladly or reluctantly, you’re taking advantage of that.

As it happened the campaign worked. The bill was reversed within 48 hours; with the government acknowledging it had been as a direct result of the furore. Of course they couched it in terms of ‘we listened’ rather than ‘please don’t hurt us’.

As for my MP, well the government posted a very nice video to my Facebook, saying that they loved animals really and it had all been a misunderstanding.

(I did post everything in my own name; if I’m having a go at someone it’s only fair I do it openly)

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

So, this happened:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396076-journalist-critical-of-ice-arrested-on-immigration-charges?__twitter_impression=true

So much for the free press and the Fourth Estate. Where do I put the hands on the genocide/fascism doomsday clock now? Three minutes to midnight? Two?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I didn’t see that it had been reversed. That’s good news anyway.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Yes it was; we were all very happy and relieved. Thanks for posting that; and it was a nice jumping off point for what I’d been meaning to bring up for a while now.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Zaunfink | July 9, 2018 at 12:30 am
Seconding kupo on the joy over “magic carpetbag”. Sometimes I hate that I’m not surrounded by English-speaking people, because I can’t use the great things I learn here…

I’m glad everyone liked it because I did just pull it out of my…uh…well, you know. XD

Paradoxical intention, when you said size queen my mind went very, very strange places with the “resident cheeseburger slut”-part of your name. Along the lines of “if it were possible, I wonder if the kind of advertising burger King does would be particularly disappointing”. I need more sleep.

I mean, you’re not wrong? I would absolutely have my way with the Windows 7 burger they had in Japan.

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And then I would follow it up with the extra, extra, extra small side of fries from McDonald’s.

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Japan’s fast food advertising is fuckin’ great y’all.

Diptych | July 9, 2018 at 12:38 am
Have it your way at the home of the Whopper?

Well, I mean, sex is good exercise, and fast food has a LOT of calories, so…Bow chika wow wow?

Jo | July 9, 2018 at 2:01 am

Drungarios didn’t say that, she said that very few people own stallions.[…]

Ah, thanks for the correction Jo! I’m a city slicker at heart, but even when I lived in a rural area, it only seemed like richer people owned horses. Forgive my ignorance, as that was my bad.

Talonknife | July 9, 2018 at 7:36 am
I know a few size queens that have some horse-related fantasies, but tehy’re just that: fantasies. They’re all furries, but none of them are interested in having sex with actual, non-humanoid horses.

Also, most of them are dudes, not ladies, so make of that what you will.

Speaking as a part-time furry: This.

Katamount | July 9, 2018 at 9:42 am
I was just going to say… yeah, there is a market out there for equine-shaped phalli, but it’s very much in an anthropomorphic context (anthro meaning “human”). Speaking as a furry, any fantasies I might have do require a fair amount of human anatomy that place them squarely in the realm of the fantastic (read: not in reality).

And as much as there are toys that are shaped like the anatomy of any number of beasts fantastical and otherwise, it’s not like that’s restricted to phalli. There are penetrable toys sculpted to depict any number of fantasy creatures as well.

Saaaame. Like, I’m more interested in human-ish creatures with animal characteristics than the other way around, yanno?

There’s actually a really nice orc dildo I want to get from a site that I can’t recall the name of, but they also got a good looking trent…

tim gueguen
3 years ago

Off topic, but Canadian bigot Lauren Southern has been denied an entry visa to Australia because she filled out the wrong form.

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
3 years ago

Hi Gang:

As far as the opening topic? I know it shouldn’t, but the hatred combined with the absolute ignorance of women as anything even approaching human? This really horrified, upset and scared me.

It doesn’t help that I am becoming more aware all of the time about the misogyny that is still so prevalent in even ‘normal’ men. The double standard still firmly in place is one area, women as not fully human is another. I really don’t want to fear half of the human race, and I know there are good men, but this stuff is really scaring me – especially as it builds up to how we treat animals and the planet and each other full stop. Anyway.

@Alan Robertshaw

Kudos to you for helping get the animals as not sentient rolled back. I have never understood this, from the time I was a little girl, granted, I tend to be a bit of an animal empath, but if they don’t have emotions and feelings than we don’t either.

As for this:

Ok, so Trump puts tariffs on China. China retaliates by putting tariffs on US soy; putting US farmers in jeopardy. But China needs soy; so where does it turn to instead…

I am not surprised, in fact I was expecting it based on the posturing and the nonsense beginning with the campaign. What absolutely floors me is that not only the hardline Trump supporters, but many other people are going to interpret this as Trump actually doing something. Well, he is doing something. He is hurting the very people he promised to help even more than they were already hurt. Soy is a huge crop. Farmers are already under attack.

Why, why, can people not see this? This is what is challenging my own reality matrix as another poster mentioned. Things have gotten so bizarre and people believe things that you wouldn’t think they could possibly believe under any circumstances. And the corruption and destruction of the country and the world for the short term benefit of just a few is no longer hidden even a little. I honestly don’t understand how so many people are still blind to it.

Then I remember that the other part of the propaganda machine is keeping everyone’s hatred and entitlement and sense of grievance at the very front of their consciousness. This keeps the divisions in place.

Our eighty year war cycle is coming up – any prognostications on how the belligerents will shake out? Even back in the days of the campaign, I couldn’t see how pissing China off was going to do anyone any good at all. It is like the powers that be are consciously trying to destroy the western empire. I know we have warped into an evil empire just lately, and I know there is the bigger picture view of history, but I don’t really want to live through it or die in it. Not to mention that it is my personal opinion that the next war cycle isn’t going to go well for anyone.

As for sex with animals, I can’t really add anything to what people have already said except in support of the sandpapery cat tongues. I have had many a gentle tussle with loving cats licking my arm or leg in their language of affection. I don’t want to hurt their feelings, but I can only take so much – and that is on arm skin, much less anywhere more delicate and less keratinized.

Then there is the idea of getting cats to consistently do what you want them to do, as opposed to what they want to do. And it isn’t lack of intelligence either. I had a cat once, of the dozens I’ve been privileged to care for in this life, that holds the title of the smartest and most singular cat I’ve ever known. Lifelong cat haters were converted by the charm and intelligence of this cat.

Among other things, Twain, as that was his name, wore an invisible kitty wristwatch that told him when it was food time. If I didn’t hop to with alacrity, he would get on the counter and use both paws to reach in and throw the cans of cat food onto the floor, making a racket that brought the household running and giving me an annoyed look. I won’t bore you with tales of what he would do to wake my son and I before dawn when he got a little peckish and needed opposable thumbs to open the cans – ours. Suffice it to say that this was not the work of a creature with no brains, sentience or emotions. Oh and a creature that was well aware of the emotions of others too. Animals have empathy!

I tried to keep him off the counter to no avail. And I swear, Twain knew exactly what I wanted him to do and just didn’t care to do it. I could see it in the expression on his face. “Yes, I love you and I know you want me to get down, but I don’t want to. I already do a lot of things I wouldn’t just in being a housecat. Count your blessings and get the Fancy Feast,” said Twain.

I will close with a quote from his namesake:

Of all God’s creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.

Samuel Clemens – Notebook, 1894

@Katamount – I hesitate to mention this given the opening topic, and that I don’t want to give these guys further fuel to their hatred and ridiculousness, but there is a pretty great story in one of Susie Bright’s compilations about sex between a human woman and a centaur. The writer could write too, so the urban fairy tale and dreaminess aspects of the tale are just as strong as the sexy aspects.

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

@tim gueguen

Off topic, but Canadian bigot Lauren Southern has been denied an entry visa to Australia because she filled out the wrong form.

Good.

Basically she and Tomi Lahren have been angling for the “who can be a bigger racist attention-grabber” prize for several years and her stupid South African farmer doc is just the latest stunt. What she’s doing in Oz is beyond me.

But no wonder she’s spending so much time out of her own home country given how diverse it is. But even then, when ever somebody talks about how multiculturalism is so evil, I have to ask: what “culture” do they think is so damned different?

I can’t help but think of the one clip from Bromwell High that I actually found funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTeHEBlHGyU

Seriously, with everything so damned homogenized in this global, internet-driven society, we all watch the same TV and do the same stuff with our phones day-in, day-out, so everybody might as well like 2Pac, KFC and text messaging.

It’d be nice if the “multiculturalism” dog-whistle was dropped and they just came clean with the racism.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
3 years ago

@Scildfreja Unnyðnes

Sorry my duck, but filling in incel gaps is, like, the last thing I’d ever want to do ever. Unless you mean, like, cask-of-amontillado style.

“For the love of Chad, Montresor!”

“Yes, for the love of Chad”

Who?
Who?
3 years ago

From my family one of the reason for having a cat instead of a dog, is that a dog is much more work.
One of my familymembers have now 2 cats and 2 rabids (they say the rabids were the idea of my soon to be 3-year old nice, not convinced)

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

@AuntieMameRedux

I actually just remembered something. If certain French advertisements are anything to go by, clearly its the guys that have things for animals rather than the ladies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKOC4zaB6I

Why that mountain lion was using Orangina as aftershave, I haven’t the foggiest, but I guess the Orangina marketing folks succeeded because I remember them because of it.

And that wasn’t the only one….

https://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/the-strange-sexy-furry-orangina-ads?utm_term=.lfwe4wl91#.pt37nvLGK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f48Nx3LK24M

Seriously, they made a whole ad campaign out of this! Sexy animal people using a carbonated orange drink for random shit not related to drinking it! It’s as mind-bendingly nonsensical as it is strangely captivating! B-gah! Can’t wrap… brain… around… marketing… decisions… ARGLEBARGLE–!

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Welp, I know who I want to win the World Cup… especially if it results in more furry advertising. 😉

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@tim gueguen

A spokesperson for the Department of Home Affairs said Ms Southern’s application was denied because she was ineligible for the ETA.

“For visitors who may hold controversial views, any risk they may pose will be balanced against Australia’s well-established freedom of speech and freedom of beliefs, amongst other relevant considerations,” the spokesperson said.

“The individual has a visa application before the Department which remains under consideration.”

Superior race amirite fellas

Bearpelt
Bearpelt
3 years ago

I usually can bitterly laugh at these stories, but this one, for some reason, has made me more depressed than anything else I’ve read here.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

Completely OT but does anyone have any suggestions for wording to write on the mylar blankets we are taking to the anti-Trump demo in London on Friday?

Many thanks for any succinct ideas.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

AuntieMameRedux | July 9, 2018 at 2:40 pm
Hi Gang:

As far as the opening topic? I know it shouldn’t, but the hatred combined with the absolute ignorance of women as anything even approaching human? This really horrified, upset and scared me.

It doesn’t help that I am becoming more aware all of the time about the misogyny that is still so prevalent in even ‘normal’ men. The double standard still firmly in place is one area, women as not fully human is another. I really don’t want to fear half of the human race, and I know there are good men, but this stuff is really scaring me – especially as it builds up to how we treat animals and the planet and each other full stop. Anyway.

Yeah, it can be scary to finally notice this. To finally see that this is still around, despite the vehement denial of men that it isn’t because they can’t see it.

No one here wants to view humanity as being guilty until proven innocent, but at the end of the day, we have to buckle down and do it for our own safety. It’s shitty, but that’s part of the reason why this blog exists. To warn other people that this is how some men feel comfortable acting. To hold up that mirror, and to show how other people do these terrible things.

The man who runs this blog, and a lot of the men who comment regularly on it, are slowly unlearning all the harmful things that they’ve been taught by society about women. They’ve taken a step towards understanding what we femme-presenting people have to put up with. They help us raise our voices in protest. And they understand that we have to have that fear for survival.

It is hard, but there will be people in your life, I hope, who would take the steps to prove that they’re capable of growing and changing and being a better person, if that makes sense.

opposablethumbs | July 9, 2018 at 3:50 pm
Completely OT but does anyone have any suggestions for wording to write on the mylar blankets we are taking to the anti-Trump demo in London on Friday?

Many thanks for any succinct ideas.

Scottish protests have been a great source of inspiration for me personally (“Yer maw was an immigrant, ya great bawbag” is a personal favorite), but I would say anything promoting unity against his bullshit would be fantastic.

We have a campaign here (that might not apply to Londoners, unfortunately) that simply goes “Y’all means all”.

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
3 years ago

@Bearpelt wrote:

I usually can bitterly laugh at these stories, but this one, for some reason, has made me more depressed than anything else I’ve read here.

Me too. And I don’t entirely understand why. It isn’t like these folks lack for hatred on any regular Tuesday. Maybe it was the visual of some poor woman being torn apart by a two foot long – well you know.

Even worse after the recent discussion that a) penises don’t vary dramatically in size (at least intraspecies – can’t believe I am adding that caveat) and b) people who like the bepenised (still love that) aren’t that interested in the minute variations. We are actually more interested in the man.

Maybe it is the suggestion of rape worse than rape. Like those gangs in Africa that rape with objects once they finished raping with their penis because the penis can’t do enough damage.

@Katamount

Thank you for the laugh. I needed it. I’m thinking that the Orangina would be sticky on mountain lion fur, but it really does work as an ad. Makes you think that routine drug testing might not be a part of advertising culture doesn’t it?

No kidding the stuff said in this post made me want to go and hide under the bed.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

Thank you for that one, @PI! 🙂

We have a couple of the blankets, I got them because of reading this kind of blanket was all they give the children separated from their parents at the border. One possible text we could write on them might just be something like “Kids don’t belong in cages” … ?

(PS disappearing now because time zones – I’ll check in again some time tomorrow. Good night mammotheers)

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
3 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention wrote:

Yeah, it can be scary to finally notice this. To finally see that this is still around, despite the vehement denial of men that it isn’t because they can’t see it.

Worse, it isn’t like I have been unaware and this is my big awakening. I am well versed in feminist theory and the like and try to be an astute observer of my world.

This is more subtle than that. This is realizing that men I talk to on the regular don’t really see me and worse a whole list of others. And of course I’ve encountered sexism and chauvinism before of the blatant and subtle varieties. As we all know that is more of a feature than a bug. But the casual – she wasn’t quite a person to us until recently – that I am picking up?

I know about othering but to me I guess I was missing a huge part of it. I understood the othering of black people or gay people, or trans people or Muslim people or whatever group you care to name. I am not arguing that this is a good thing by any means. But I still thought that even for hateful people that the operative concept was still people. Even if it was people who were different than whoever the subjective speaker was. Even if it was people who were hated.

And of course I’ve read, but apparently not understood the writing of any of the twentieth century genocides – and tried to understand without falling into the dehumanization trap myself. People did these things. I am a person. What circumstances could make me behave like this? Be vigilant.

I guess I thought it was rhetoric, not meant to be taken literally. What kind of a naïve moron are you AuntiMame? And mea culpa I guess. How could I have missed this? It is the dehumanization that is so assumed it is invisible that is getting to me. And yes, I know to do something really awful to people you have to dehumanize them to make it ok. It is just so….casual, accepted, so understood as a fact it doesn’t bear mentioning? All I know is that I feel stupid and dirty and hated and hating myself.

Diptych
Diptych
3 years ago

@AuntieMameRedux: I get what you mean, and there’s absolutely no need to feel bad about it. I find it’s always a little upsetting, really getting into someone else’s head, and much more so when their worldview is so alien and hateful. That doesn’t make you stupid.

Funnily enough, my own “big awakening” moment came from a Cracked article, of all things. I’d previously understood feminist issues very much in abstract, even economic, sense – as relationships between large, faceless social groups. Then I read this article, called something like “Five ways society teaches men to hate women”. It wasn’t a terribly good article, but it opened my eyes to the personal, visceral backing behind institutional misogyny.

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
3 years ago

@Diptych

First, thank you. Second I read that article! No kidding, it was one of the things that ultimately led me here in a chain of internet associations after punching ‘why do men hate women?’ Into a search engine as a joke a while back.

It is just the depth of the dehumanization that has me in a spin. And it is people I know. And one of the unpeople is me. I’ll assimilate the information.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Re Southern’s visit to Oz: I cheered in Australian when I read that on the Twitters last night. Of course her fans (and there are a lot of them here), are raging all over the internet about muh freeze peaches, and the end is nigh, and omg Australia is being run by PC police (that last is funny in a horrific way, given our current government’s ongoing lurch towards fascism).
Guys, she’s not being censored or silenced or banned. It’s not that windswept and interesting.
She filled out the wrong form.

Beware of her supporters on Twitter, btw. They’re almost as feral as Peterson’s. Speaking of Peterson, here he is claiming that a glass of apple cider kept him awake for 25 days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=MfoKwQ2Cw6A

(not making fun of food/drink allergies, I hasten to add – but awake for 25 days, seriously???)

ChimericMind
ChimericMind
3 years ago

Opposable Thumbs: I’d still go with “Seeking asylum isn’t illegal. Denying it is.”

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

Horses? Earlier today I was in 330 of them 🙂

Right, in, not on, a car which has 330 HP. My friend let me borrow her hot rod Benz. Modded 350 SLK. Yes. It’s fast. Very fast 🙂

I, the other Z, have a Nissan 350Z. Confused yet? Yeah I had to look up the HP, not bad either, low 300’s, other Z’s aforementioned car beats it.
Not that we engage in drag racing or anything. Because drag racing makes Baby Jesus cry.

😀

Can’t afford that, gas alone, you can’t even afford to waste gas and if your touchy (and not all that great) car is either in the shop or you have to try to work on it yourself half the time ..
Our Miss T is interjecting about where they sell racing fuel at some gas station on Roosevelt rd.
Yeah. No.

Expensive pets you can barely afford to keep. No where near super expensive or ‘top of the line’ either. Most sports cars are touchy, and temperamental, and will drain your bank account. You had best know how to do most repairs.

Our Miss T wrapped a Lotus around a phone pole.
Our other Miss Z says (about her present car): I think I could get a Lotus 918 engine in it ..

STOP RIGHT THERE.
WTF? Is WRONG with you? And: Why do I keep falling in with these people??

Well anyway, from us three lady gear heads alone, we have at least 1,000 horses between us 🙂

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
3 years ago

I attempted to do some research on this, and found a vaguely related video. It is certainly a thing.

Rubberbandits! “Horse Outside”! The single most Irish song ever recorded.

“He runs a bit like Shergar, and he jumps like Tir na nOg,
And he looks like Billie Piper after half an ounce of coke.”
And the boys are lookin jealous, as I lead yer one away
And just before I close the door I look at her and say
Would you be my girl, and she says I will of course
If ya grab me by the ponytail and ride me like a horse.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aDwmWgRKIk

“Geh back you fool! That’s not a leprechaun! That’s Enda, he robbed the chemist’s with a hammer!”

“I Want To Fight Your Father” is also very good.

BlueNinja
BlueNinja
3 years ago

Ew. I don’t know what’s grosser, the very suggestion of that, this guy’s ignorant need to falsely and absurdly “explain” us women with demands of a false reality, or his apparent obsession with that fantasy.

“Women are all bisexual/all lesbians!”
“Women have sex with horses!”

AKA

“I MUST find an reason, no matter how bats*** crazy or ignorant, to explain why they won’t sleep with me and how the problem IS NOT me!”