By David Futrelle
You may worry about your country descending into chaos, or turning into a fascist hellhole, or even a bit of both. But when incels imagine the future they have much more specific concerns. Oddly specific, you might say.
Over on Incels.me, one paranoid commenter conjures up what for him is evidently the most nightmarish future dystopia he can imagine: One in which women can use sonar technology to check out penis size at a distance.
In a thread titled, with typical incel melodrama, “[SuicideFuel] In 2030, it will be absolutely over for dicklets” — dudes with tiny dicks — a fellow called Cuckcel offers his dire warning.
Incel dudes, when women look at you the first thing that pops into their mind isn’t “small dick.” It’s “huge asshole,” because that’s what you are.
I love you. That’s all.
Actual thing a man felt the need to come up and pester me with when I was waiting for a bus. “Are those real? Because if so, I’ll give you my home phone, cell phone and address.”
I almost miss Walter. I’d trade a whiny incel or asshole MAGA in for him any day.
I concur. I could not rank the penes I’ve touched to save my life. There was one that was noticeably large and one that was noticeably small. The rest of them? No clue. Guess they were all within an average range.
I think sex ed classes for teens should address porn and how it’s okay to watch it, but it doesn’t represent a realistic picture of sex. Too many young people, especially guys seem to take their beauty standards from it, both for themselves and their partners. It also seems to influence what sex acts people think they and their partners need to be willing to do to be good in bed. Sadly overprotective parents (at least in the US) will never allow this topic to be discussed honestly to their children by educators. They’d much rather believe that their precious angels would never think to look at internet porn unless evil liberal teachers forced them into it by acknowledging it exists.
Speaking of sex ed. Whatever happened to Lacey Green? Last I heard she’d gone TERF and Nazi apologist. Is that still the case? She still making videos? I’m not sure pissing off feminists who care about intersectionality was a good career move for her. I used to hear positive things about her all the time. Then I heard negative things for a couple of months. Now nothing. It seems her internet influence disappeared.
Aw FFS incels, stop relying on porn tropes to craft your goddamned worldview! It never ends well!
@WWTH:
Say … where are all the trolls lately? It’s been ages since we got to bat one around the place.
Maybe they’ve learned …
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… No way. 🙂
“Overprotective” here meaning “oppressive and using ‘protectiveness’ as their excuse”. Actual protective behavior would include letting educators educate their offspring about these things, so that they could make correctly informed choices later in life and avoid all sorts of problems, both for themselves and for the similarly-aged offspring of other parents.
@Dvärghundspossen Same, here. Most penises were about the same re: length But I was far more taken with someone who loved going down on me. 😀
(And re: smaller dicks: they’re just as much fun IMO – and from my limited experience with them, they seem to get harder easier.)
On some other left-leaning sites (not this one), I’ve been dog-piled for saying that teens might, just might, get incorrect ideas about sex from porn. A lot of supposedly-woke guys get upset at the idea that porn could be anything but benign. I’ve been told that, since teens understand that video games are fake, that they also instinctively understand that porn is fake, too, and kids these days are just so smart and media-savvy these days, there’s nothing to worry about!
It seems obvious now that the wide availability of porn has influenced inceldom? Right?
Isn’t that Batwoman? I mean, I’m not an expert on the various Batgirls, but I’m sure Batwoman is a lesbian.
Oh God. Yeah, that’s a thing. Brogressive dudes are all about feminism – ’cause they think “feminist” means “dtf”. They totally agree with ending poverty and homelessness – until it means doing more than marching.
It’s just like suggesting that video games might desensitize someone to violence. The first reaction is “rabble-rabble-science-studies-show-that-s-wrong” along with a mess of insults, but if you point out that those studies were funded largely by the gaming industry it turns into more insults and less discourse.
(Not that I’m saying that video games do desensitize people to violence; I’m saying they might.)
Same for porn. Suggesting thing-they-like might have some sort of harmful effect is oppression you guyse! It’s just as bad as having the government take your children away!
More on topic, I don’t know whether “inceldom” is caused by the wide availability of porn, but it’s certainly an influencing factor. It’s in the network. I rather think that a larger factor is actually “community aggregators” like 4chan and reddit. Porn is a one-way interaction so you don’t really get much of a feedback loop. Community members bounce off of one another and end up making a positive feedback loop with no limiter to maintain allostasis. Not familiar with any work that’s being done to suss that sort of thing out, but that’s my first guess!
Yep, current Batgirl is Barabara Gordon who’s been off-on with Dick Grayson for forever (currently off), but I am unsure of her current relationship status (I know Dick’s with an artist in the new Bludhaven, or at least was, and there’s been writing hints in Nightwing that he’s not straight, mainly Damian not being sure if Dick is dating a man or a woman). So she could be bi/pan, and the previous Batgirl, Stephanie Brown, had a lot of people thinking she might be bi with how she treated both Supergirl and the previous Batgirl, Cassandra Cain (Steph had a prior relationship with Tim Drake).
Meanwhile, Kate Kane is Batwoman and a Jewish lesbian and, because she’s Bruce’s maternal cousin and Jewish, may have accidentally retconned Bruce into being Jewish due to it being culturally matrilineal.
@Scildfreja
Yeah, I’d agree here. A single video, you watch, do your thing, it’s over, you turn it off. In your conscious mind, you know it’s all camera trickery and meant for fantasy. The issue comes in when you get a group of people together talking as if those tropes are “the way the world works.” It’s just another example of why this “ironic edgelording” can be so insidious: once everybody’s talking in their “ironic” mode all the time, well then it stops being ironic and you’ve internalized it. I do happen to think that peen size anxiety is more of a mainstream cultural artefact more than any ironic shitposting, but even playing into that anxiety ironically only reinforces it, which is why I’ve stopped referencing pecker size in, say, discussions about the gun-humpers.
Hey incels that may be lurking here
Oh yeah, and Happy Independence Day from the great white north, American Mammotheers!
Enjoy the day as much as you can… given the heat…..
Re the whole “people can separate fantasy from reality” I think it’s important to keep two things in mind:
1. Facts are one thing and judgments about ethics, aesthetics etc quite another. When Twilight came out a lot of people said it’s problematic that it’s so popular because it portrays stalking, threats etc as romantic, and a lot of other people said “but even teens realize it’s just fantasy! They know vampires don’t exist, for starters”. And yeah, even little kids realize that the facts are different when you compare our world with the world of Twilight (vampires exist vs don’t exist etc). But you might still be influenced to think that stalking is romantic, because this is not a factual judgment.
Furthermore, and I don’t remember if I’ve said it before on this site or just in other internet discussions, but I actually think there are serious limits to how much we can suspend disbelief re ethics, aesthetics and such. We can suspend disbelief a lot re facts; I can watch Star Trek and accept that there’s teleportation and faster than light travel or read Lord of the Rings and accept that Gandalf can do magic. But you couldn’t really write a novel about a child molester and just stipulate “since this takes place in a different universe where child molestation is a good thing (even though the children still suffer etc, because ethics are just different in this universe), you should root for our molesting protagonist to molest as much as possible.” That just wouldn’t work.
2. Even re facts you tend to assume that a piece of fiction presents them accurately unless you have a reason to believe it does not. A good example I read about in some article on this topic was that people who’ve never been to Washington but they’ve seen “True Lies” think there are skyscrapers in Washington, because why not? So if you have zero experience with sex and didn’t get any good sex ed, you might acquire false beliefs about factual matters from porn too, when it’s stuff you have no initial reason to believe are false.
Is it true that feminists men are more often predators than the ‘general’ man? Kinda curious. I won’t lie, I find the behavior of the ‘all in’ guys to be kinda strange.
Re: Batgirl(s) and Batwoman
OK, so it’s complicated. I’m much more into Dykes To Watch Out For than superhero comics.
Re: Penis size variation:
If there’s any external factor making boys and men worry about being “too small”, it’s probably porn rather than men comparing each other’s flaccid (or erect) sizes in real life.
Christ on a bike, even I, a goy English lesbian, knows that Circumcision in the US is super common (though I believe becoming less so) because of masturbation taboo, and has nothing to do with Jews.
Are you referring to that ghastly IT Crowd episode? I love IT Crowd, but that episode is just unbelievable, so fucking offensive to transwomen and anyone who gives a shit about transwomen. And to think that he has talked about misogyny and calls himself an ally!
ellesar,
Many years ago I was watching the US sitcom Dharma & Greg on Finnish TV, and was like “WTF?” when in one episode they framed circumcision as a Jewish tradition. Dharma’s father was Jewish, but Greg’s both parents were like the waspiest WASPs that ever wasped.
Lumipuna – I used to love Dharma and Greg.
I guess one of the reasons is because Jewish male circumcision is thousands of years old. Growing up I didn’t really know about other groups who circumcise, even though I knew very few Jews.
A common belief among US intactivists seems to be that women generally prefer circumcised men. However, apparently this isn’t seen as a welcome advantage on dating market.
The tinfoil codpiece will soon be all the rage. lol
I think that male attracted people in the US might prefer the look of a circumcised penis because that is what we’re used to seeing.
However, the notion that intactivists have that mothers circumcise because they want their sons to get laid more as an adult is ridiculous. I also doubt that very many women would dump a bepenised partner for being uncircumcised. I’m sure there are a few out there, but I’ve never heard of it.
It’s just a convenient way to try and blame women for a practice started by patriarchal religions and popularized in the US by a man (Dr Kellogg) who had some really weird ideas about sexuality and the human body.
Not that I’m saying anything everyone else here didn’t already know.
RE: Circumcision. I have a friend who had her first child, a boy, nearly 10 years ago. She was sort of indecisive about whether or not to have the child circumcised. Her husband, the boy’s dad: “My son WILL…BE…CIRCUMCISED!” while beating his fist on the table for emphasis.
My own guess is, the dad was circumcised, and therefore, he wanted his son to be, too.
BTW, they followed no religion that required circumcision.
I also know someone who got circumcised as an adult. The healing and recovery was no fun. He tried to restrict his liquid intake while healing, because it was so painful to urinate.
Christians took my foreskin, for reasons that are seriously gross and considerably more distressing to me than my lack of foreskin, but are disturbingly common in the US.
Surplus skrev:
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@Dormousing_it:
If I’m not being rude to ask: what was the occasion for your friend to undergo circumcision in adulthood–conversion to Judaism or Islam, perhaps?